Sopranos last episode.......What a waste of time

[wiffleball 4,660]

Okay - Didn't read all the posts, but there were a few who had some idea. Here's the deal; On its face, yeah, suxor. BUT: The key is in the details;

 

1. The kid at the counter was Phil Leotardo's son/nephew - whatever
   
2. The two guys walking in at the end? Tried to kill Tony a few seasons ago.
   
3. One of the other guys in the restaurant got mixed up with Chrissie a few years ago too.
   
4. Prev. Mentioned: This was a flashback 2 when Tony's Dad got killed - gathered in a restaurant with his family.
   

 

I have no doubt that the ending would have been different IF they weren't already planning on a major motion picture. But, the above is pretty must the "gist" of the. The key is in the details.

[Saturday Night Beaver 2]

The guy that wacked Phil, was in Band of Brothers. He was Guarnere.

[Incognito 0]

:mrwatsonvoice: sherlock, you've figured it out!!

 

I'm quite certain they showed Meadow struggling to park because she was going to be the only one not killed and she was going to see it from just outside.

 

It going black totally makes sense now.

 

 

Kind of what I thought. Thought Meadow was going to come into a massacre

[KSB2424 3,086]

The guy that wacked Phil, was in Band of Brothers. He was Guarnere.

 

The actor that played Guarnere once dated Julia Roberts who was in the movie Flatliners with none other than Kevin Bacon.

[surferskin 30]

Money!

 

By doing it this way they can go with the "He is still alive because the sheepeople didn't see him die on screen so lets make a movie or do another season."

well, then it can't be a "smart/clever" ending. either they whored out the end of series for a potential movie or it was deep/clever. it can't be both.

[football_scooter 0]

I actually really enjoyed it. I thought the end was one of the most suspenseful moments of the entire series. And the irony of them finally having a nice, normal family dinner and letting all the stress of the world vanish for a few moments to be happy together seems to have escaped all of you. When was the last time there was any semblance of harmony when they were all together?

 

And I too thought that Medow was going to be the only one who lived because she couldn't park. I started to yell at the TV when she was running to the restaurant. The way they showed the loving young couple, and the table of boy scouts just reeked of forshadowing that something bad was going to happen.

 

And the song was perfect....ending the show with "Don't stop-" very clever.

 

I thought that was a perfect ending. I'm glad they left it open. I have yet to see anything concrete about the film, just wild unfounded speculation. I think they got whacked. All mobsters get whacked in restaurants. In all the great mob movies this is the most common place...seemed like yet another tip of the cap to the classic mafia films.

 

Great series ending. Some of you have way too much anger.

[kutulu 1,558]

Some of you have way too much anger.

 

[JT 137]

the scene was shot at a NJ gas station. somone on the HBO board posted the pics that ran in a NJ newspaper, and the caption listed a gas station in NJ.

 

the show was fictional HTH

 

And in the fictional show, the gas station was on Long Island.

[Mark Buffington 3]

The guy that wacked Phil, was in Band of Brothers. He was Guarnere.

 

 

That's been bugging me all season.

 

As for all of the haters you're a bunch of idiots. Every week you expect someone to get whacked and b!tch about it. Here's a newsflash: The show is not about the Soprano crime family, it is about Tony Soprano's immediate family, his life and his emontional stress.

 

"Only one murder in the series finale WAAAAAAA!!!!!!"

 

Bunch of morons on this board.

[football_scooter 0]

another thought...

 

It is equally possible that a lot of the tension built up in that final scene was just a broad overview of the characters lives....the song has the lyric "it goes on and on and on and on..."

 

You have Tony going in 1st, scoping the place out. You have Carmella joining him, followed by AJ, as lost as ever who's now working for the porn director. You then have Meadow, unable to fit into the parking space, much like she doesn't really fit into the family. She's smarter than them, better than them and actually seems to have a future without depending on the mob.

 

Then the guy at the counter, the two black guys who come in, the truck driver looking guy - any one of them could be a hit man, but you just don't know. The moment that guy from the counter walks by, everyone's thinking, "ok, this is it! Tony's gonna get whacked!" but the guy passes him by.

 

Seemed like that's just a way of showing us that this is the life that Tony is destined to lead - that he will always be watching the guy at the counter or the trucker looking dude...he'll always be scoping out his environment, and he never knows if any moment is going to be his last. It goes on and on and on and on...he is who he is, and it was the life that he chose for himself. Meanwhile his family is still a mess, and his mob family equally so...but they go on and on and on and on.

 

This is my alternate interpretation, and the one I'd like to believe since I've developed affection towards them over the years.

 

But deep down inside I think they got whacked.

[Trip McNeely 0]

For the mouthbreathers like Trip who obviously need everything spoon fed to them...

 

Bobby to Tony on the boat earlier in the season that Tony flashed back to last episode, "You probably don't even hear when it happens, it just goes black".

 

 

We'll see who the "mouthbreather" is when the trailer for the Sopranos movie is in every movie theatre next summer. All David Chase did was provide open-ended "ending" for the possibility of a movie.

[TommyGavin 790]

And in the fictional show, the gas station was on Long Island.

thank you, thats what I was saying

[heavy-set 39]

And in the fictional show, the gas station was on Long Island.

but it was shot in NJ , in real life, which was my point

 

hth

[ArnieBragg 1]

[*]The kid at the counter was Phil Leotardo's son/nephew - whatever

[*]The two guys walking in at the end? Tried to kill Tony a few seasons ago.

[*]One of the other guys in the restaurant got mixed up with Chrissie a few years ago too.

[*]Prev. Mentioned: This was a flashback 2 when Tony's Dad got killed - gathered in a restaurant with his family.

 

Where did you find the above?

[GettnHuge 1]

The kid at the counter was Phil Leotardo's son/nephew - whatever

The two guys walking in at the end? Tried to kill Tony a few seasons ago.

One of the other guys in the restaurant got mixed up with Chrissie a few years ago too.

 

wd

[heavy-set 39]

Okay - Didn't read all the posts, but there were a few who had some idea. Here's the deal; On its face, yeah, suxor. BUT: The key is in the details;

1. The kid at the counter was Phil Leotardo's son/nephew - whatever
   
2. The two guys walking in at the end? Tried to kill Tony a few seasons ago.
   
3. One of the other guys in the restaurant got mixed up with Chrissie a few years ago too.
   
4. Prev. Mentioned: This was a flashback 2 when Tony's Dad got killed - gathered in a restaurant with his family.
   

I have no doubt that the ending would have been different IF they weren't already planning on a major motion picture. But, the above is pretty must the "gist" of the. The key is in the details.

 

this was shot down by a TV critic from the NY times on the colin cowherd show. it aint nikki leotardo

 

 

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/111...07-1360360.html

[KSB2424 3,086]

I love how some posters on this bored do the following:

 

1. Watch the show

2. Are a little confused and interpret their own ending like most casual viewers

3. Has the time to watch the episode 3 more times or goes online to research and/or post on a message board to get info and speculate.

4. Proceeds to then post these "facts" on another message bored (i.e. fftoday) and calls everyone mouthbreathers, stoopid, or that it was over their heads, as they post these "facts" that they learned from other sites or having the time to watch it 4 times.

 

[heavy-set 39]

I love how some posters on this bored do the following:

 

 

3. Has the time to watch the episode 3 more times or goes online to research and/or post on a message board to get info and speculate.

 

 

 

this is why i both love and hate the show. if you watch the episodes "only" 1 time, you dont know what ur missing. you need to watch then, surf the blogs/fourms etc., just to get a handle on what you saw. then re-watch and its like, a-ha, now i get it.

 

after watching it last nite, the 1st words out of my mouth were, "thats it?", then i came here and posted how brillant it was......the build up in the final minutes all leading to nothing. you got to see how a Tony sees the world, and then life goes on. he may get killed, go to jail, etc., but life goes on

[wiffleball 4,660]

I think the fact that everybody's talking about it, has their own speculation, picks up different little nuances - is exactly the Genius of Chase. Some endings are hackneyed. Some are unbelievable. Some are obvious. This will prove to be the most talked about, most hotly debated, most speculated upon, ending perhaps of all time.

 

Nicely done, Mr. Chase.

[supermike80 1,317]

this is why i both love and hate the show. if you watch the episodes "only" 1 time, you dont know what ur missing. you need to watch then, surf the blogs/fourms etc., just to get a handle on what you saw. then re-watch and its like, a-ha, now i get it.

 

 

That's so focking absurd it's, well ABSURD.

 

I have a life. That's like drinking a sh!tty beer three times because the first two times it sucked. So why not do it again?

No thanks.

The ending sucked..SUCKED. You can try to decipher it all you want...it was a big fat BIRD to all the fans.

 

It is clear the direction of the show had been changed and it had lost any semblance of order.

 

Chase knew what the fans would want..the FANS..you know the fans? People who pay to watch the show, people who put $$ in HBO's and his and the actor's pockets?

 

I can see why now Gandolphini(SP) has distanced him from the show entirely. He thouht it essentially sucked azz as of late too..and he is a good actor and can recognize crap.

 

CRAP!

 

I think the fact that everybody's talking about it, has their own speculation, picks up different little nuances - is exactly the Genius of Chase. Some endings are hackneyed. Some are unbelievable. Some are obvious. This will prove to be the most talked about, most hotly debated, most speculated upon, ending perhaps of all time.

 

Nicely done, Mr. Chase.

 

 

Just shows the sheep never cease to show up.

If you make it, they will buy.

[DBZFan2K 0]

Was a sh!thead metaphor to the death of the show, not Tony, or Meadow, or AJ, or anyone else.

 

That's how I interpreted it also.

[Tusekan Raiders 0]

I love how some posters on this bored do the following:

 

1. Watch the show

2. Are a little confused and interpret their own ending like most casual viewers

3. Has the time to watch the episode 3 more times or goes online to research and/or post on a message board to get info and speculate.

4. Proceeds to then post these "facts" on another message bored (i.e. fftoday) and calls everyone mouthbreathers, stoopid, or that it was over their heads, as they post these "facts" that they learned from other sites or having the time to watch it 4 times.

 

 

I posted right after the show ended there, ya mouth-rolling eye-breather. The rest of these plagerizing turd burglers are stealing my observation. I head over here to discuss and find a bunch of unimaginative crybabies who needed the ending spelled out for them, so I obliged. Obviously it is what is, no definitive answer given, but instead of enjoying it for what it is, everyone needs a definitive ending, even though they would have bitched about whatever that was too.

[KSB2424 3,086]

ya mouth-rolling eye-breather

 

This made me laugh

[ArnieBragg 1]

Obviously it is what is, no definitive answer given, but instead of enjoying it for what it is, everyone needs a definitive ending, even though they would have bitched about whatever that was too.

 

This is it basically. And Chase has said as much - everything in life isn't answered and wrapped up nice with a little bow on it.

[wiffleball 4,660]

 

 

CRAP!

 

Just shows the sheep never cease to show up.

If you make it, they will buy.

 

We'll leave you the simple endings. Enjoy American Idol and Survivor.

[heavy-set 39]

That's so focking absurd it's, well ABSURD.

 

I have a life. That's like drinking a sh!tty beer three times because the first two times it sucked. So why not do it again?

The ending sucked..SUCKED. You can try to decipher it all you want...it was a big fat BIRD to all the fans.

 

 

the beer didnt suck the 1st time though, it was a great beer, but after a 2nd and a third, its even better and better. that was my point.

 

how did the ending suck? tony was either gonna live, die or be arrested. just casue he didnt do what what you wanted him to do, doesnt mean it sucked. he lived, and I thought it was great.

 

The sopranos has always been a show that makes you think. sounds as if you need to go watch something more your speed, like the simpsons. doh, eat my shorts,

[Team Revell 0]

Best article I've seen on the finale thus far-

 

http://mattzollerseitz.blogspot.com/2007/0...22-made-in.html

[supermike80 1,317]

Suppose all your opinions are valid. I just see Chase sitting back and giving off a huge FOCK YOU as he wrote this. Which he has done for a while with this series. Not looking for a "bow tie" as someone put it, but ANYTHING would be good.

 

And to those who think it was good because people are talking about it today---WRONG

 

Remember Seinfeld? Everyone also talked about it the next day, mostly about how much it sucked, but there were those sheep who loved it.

To this day, it goes down as one of the worst series finales ever. The Sopranos, like it or not, now is in that category IMO.

Chase flipped all of us off. Many of us, like me, flipped it back to him, but there will always be those who read more into a finger than it actually just being a finger.

[kutulu 1,558]

Suppose all your opinions are valid. I just see Chase sitting back and giving off a huge FOCK YOU as he wrote this. Which he has done for a while with this series. Not looking for a "bow tie" as someone put it, but ANYTHING would be good.

 

And to those who think it was good because people are talking about it today---WRONG

 

Remember Seinfeld? Everyone also talked about it the next day, mostly about how much it sucked, but there were those sheep who loved it.

To this day, it goes down as one of the worst series finales ever. The Sopranos, like it or not, now is in that category IMO.

Chase flipped all of us off. Many of us, like me, flipped it back to him, but there will always be those who read more into a finger than it actually just being a finger.

 

You've been great! See you in the cafeteria.

[JT 137]

You've been great! See you in the cafeteria.

 

"So what's the deal with the yard? I mean when I was a kid my mother wanted me to play in the yard. But of course she didn't have to worry about my next door neighbor Tommy sticking a shiv in my thigh."

 

Don't stop believin'...

[AmbassadorOfKwan 0]

Makes me look more forward to Rescue Me.

[cgod 0]

Read some of the posts here and they are very interesting theories. I personally don't feel that leaving it open-ended like that is a slap in the face nor am I outraged by the way that it ended. As we came to the conclusion I heard people talking about all these loose ends that needed to be tied up and how it had to end with Tony flipping or getting whacked. I realized that I personally would have been disappointed if Tony flipped or if they showed Tony getting clipped. Sure, it would have brought a certain measure of closure to things but that has never been what this show has been about.

 

I guess the way I took it is this, for now, Tony won. His family was back together and actually somewhat functional, and he was still in charge of the other family. Sure, there were lots of loose ends that weren't tied up but that's what life is sometimes. There are many things in life that go unresolved and this show tried to mimic that, and not try and wrap everything up in an episode or a season or even a series because that's not the way life works.

[BunnysBastatrds 1,940]

The New York Post wrote an article about Vanity Fairs upcoming issue. There are some interesting stories.

 

 

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/sopranos_whack_back_yXMqnYaeKjfggdn6o3SVSO

 

Even Tony Soprano was baffled by his show’s bizarre ending.

 

James Gandolfini, the actor who brought the Jersey mob boss to life, admits that he was as confused as everyone else by the finale of “The Sopranos,” according to a new, wide-ranging oral history of the HBO show in April’s Vanity Fair, which will hit newsstands today.

 

“When I first saw the ending, I said, ‘What the f--k?’” Gandolfini said. “I mean, after all I went through, all this death, and then it’s over like that?”

 

Though the ending of “The Sopranos’ ” last episode — in which the screen suddenly goes black as the mob boss sits with his family in a diner — has been much maligned, Gandolfini eventually came to like it.

 

“After I had a day to sleep, I just sat there and said, ‘That’s perfect.’ ”

 

The Vanity Fair oral history of the show features dozens of recollections from former cast members, Sopranos writers and show creator David Chase.

 

 

 

[cyclone24 1,820]

Holy fock......you dug up a thread from 4 years ago just to post that story?

 

 

And i thought i had a lot of free time.

[BunnysBastatrds 1,940]

Holy fock......you dug up a thread from 4 years ago just to post that story?

 

 

And i thought i had a lot of free time.

 

 

The sad thing is is that it only took a few seconds of my day away and happy hour isn't until five.

[kutulu 1,558]

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[Joey Gladstone 33]

Tony took a bullet in the back of the head from the guy in the members only jacket as he was coming out of the bathroom.

 

If you were paying attention, they showed the front door from Tony's POV every time somebody came through the front door and the bell rang. Meadow comes through, ringing the bell and *BAM*. First episode of the season Tony was talking with Bobby about how everything just goes black when you buy the farm.

 

David Chase has stated that what really happened is there if you know what to look for...or something pretentious like that. Still, I thought it was a great ending.

 

I didn't read through every post, so if this has been mentioned I apologize.

[tikigods 76]

Tony took a bullet in the back of the head from the guy in the members only jacket as he was coming out of the bathroom.

 

If you were paying attention, they showed the front door from Tony's POV every time somebody came through the front door and the bell rang. Meadow comes through, ringing the bell and *BAM*. First episode of the season Tony was talking with Bobby about how everything just goes black when you buy the farm.

 

David Chase has stated that what really happened is there if you know what to look for...or something pretentious like that. Still, I thought it was a great ending.

 

I didn't read through every post, so if this has been mentioned I apologize.

 

Chased used POV throughout that whole episode. He used Kubrick's model from 2001: A Space Odyssey. The two most telling parts of that episode were Tony listening to the trees/wind right before Carmella comes out and tells him they're going to Holstein's for dinner. The other is the very first ten seconds of that episode. Chase filmed Tony in a casket, waking up with the funeral music then grabbing his machine gun and heading down stairs. The whole episode was Tony's funeral.

 

They also filmed multiple endings, according to the guy who played Member's Only Jacket guy who shot Tony in the back of the head.

 

One other thing...watch the very first episode of that second half of the season Member's Only. Eugene goes to Boston to shot some guy named Teddy Spirodakis, TS-Tony Soprano, in a greasy spoon restaurant....Eugene is wearing the same jacket MOG is wearing in Holstein's right before the camera goes black on Tony.