PATSSOX 22 Posted September 7, 2011 I just dropped Orton for Collins....why the fock not? Because he is 38 and sucks Did you not watch him play last year?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RicemanX 20 Posted September 7, 2011 Peyton is the OC why cant he still call plays I think you are on to something here... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cstriker 2 Posted September 7, 2011 No worries Colts fans. No Peyton --> 2011 Colts: Worst NFL record --> #1 draft choice in 2012 --> Andrew Luck is a Colt God i hope that comes true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Postman 3 Posted September 7, 2011 Peyton is the OC why cant he still call plays MDC, You put the Manningless Colts in the same category as the Titans this year??? C'mon dude, the Titans have Chris Johnson. Oh, and did I hear someone say that they dropped Orton for Collins??? Get freaking real... Orton is not a half bad play but Collins retired for a reason, He is DONE!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thePRO 78 Posted September 7, 2011 7-9 at best, I'm thinking 6-10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lowman 4 Posted September 8, 2011 I'm a Packer fan and I'd piss my pants if Rodgers went down. Maybe I'm more of a realist and your more of a fanatic. Do you know what a realist is? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shovelheadt 71 Posted September 8, 2011 No he doesn't, He makes them a very good team, but facts are facts, if you don't think they win a game without him, ever, you know NOTHING about football. What are you talking about? I am pretty sure the Colts just won a preseason game, they did it without Manning. Still the company man I see. You obviously haven't come to grips yet with this whole thing, causing you to act hysterical. They'll win 5 or 6 this year. The only thing that saves them somewhat is the assed up division they're in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shovelheadt 71 Posted September 8, 2011 I think Cinci should have most teams beat. I am looking at their schedule, I don't see a game they can win. Uh, you and the Colts homer need to hang out because this comment makes about as much sense as his. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FISHDEW 0 Posted September 8, 2011 F A V R E Watch 2011 - someone had to say it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted September 8, 2011 Still the company man I see. You obviously haven't come to grips yet with this whole thing, causing you to act hysterical. They'll win 5 or 6 this year. The only thing that saves them somewhat is the assed up division they're in. Yeah, I think the folks who don't understand what its like to have a mediocre QB when their elite guy goes down are about to get a rude awakening. As a Redskins fan, even at my most optimistic every year, I max out at 8-8. Maybe 9-7 depending on the schedule. That's my sad best case scenario. No elite QB means every game is a struggle. There is no edge going into games. Its all about minimizing mistakes. You throw an elite QB in the mix, and even if you're having a bad day, the QB can dig you out. Remember the game the Colts came back with 4 TDs in the 4th quarter against the Bucs? That's not going to ever happen with Rex Grossman or John Beck. That's elite stuff. What I'm saying is, welcome to Redskins like dumpsville Colts fans! You remember the days before Manning. Yeah, that's here again, right now. Wake up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Gladstone 33 Posted September 8, 2011 Because he is 38 and sucks Did you not watch him play last year?? I did and he had some good games last year. He doesn't have CJ and Britt anymore but he inherits Wayne, Clark, Collie and Garcon. I think he offers some upside as a backup once he's been there a few weeks. If not I'll just pick Orton or Fitzpatrick up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted September 8, 2011 I did and he had some good games last year. He doesn't have CJ and Britt anymore but he inherits Wayne, Clark, Collie and Garcon. I think he offers some upside as a backup once he's been there a few weeks. If not I'll just pick Orton or Fitzpatrick up. I want to trade Collins to the Manning owner in my league. He's starting Matt Cassel week 1. Is Collins better than Cassel? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chronic Husker 85 Posted September 8, 2011 Still the company man I see. You obviously haven't come to grips yet with this whole thing, causing you to act hysterical. They'll win 5 or 6 this year. The only thing that saves them somewhat is the assed up division they're in. Agree with everything shovel has said here. Listen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Gladstone 33 Posted September 8, 2011 I want to trade Collins to the Manning owner in my league. He's starting Matt Cassel week 1. Is Collins better than Cassel? No. If I had Cassel I wouldnt have picked up Collins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted September 8, 2011 No. If I had Cassel I wouldnt have picked up Collins. Its a tough one. The Colts are built to pass and the Chiefs like to run. Collins gets into a big shootout week 1, and I think I land the big trade with the Manning owner. GO KERRY! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Busted by the Feds 9 Posted September 8, 2011 Yeah, I think the folks who don't understand what its like to have a mediocre QB when their elite guy goes down are about to get a rude awakening. As a Redskins fan, even at my most optimistic every year, I max out at 8-8. Maybe 9-7 depending on the schedule. That's my sad best case scenario. No elite QB means every game is a struggle. There is no edge going into games. Its all about minimizing mistakes. You throw an elite QB in the mix, and even if you're having a bad day, the QB can dig you out. Remember the game the Colts came back with 4 TDs in the 4th quarter against the Bucs? That's not going to ever happen with Rex Grossman or John Beck. That's elite stuff. What I'm saying is, welcome to Redskins like dumpsville Colts fans! You remember the days before Manning. Yeah, that's here again, right now. Wake up. Interesting fact I heard this morning on Mike and Mike : Indy is spending around $ 38 million (?) for Peyton and Collins, while Washington is spending $ 2 million on Rex and Beck. Which QB combo are you more confident in going into week 1 with circumstances the way they are ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted September 8, 2011 Interesting fact I heard this morning on Mike and Mike : Indy is spending around $ 38 million (?) for Peyton and Collins, while Washington is spending $ 2 million on Rex and Beck. Which QB combo are you more confident in going into week 1 with circumstances the way they are ? Well, as a fan who doesn't write checks, the financials have zero impact on me. Its all about personnel. Obviously this week I'm certainly a bigger fan of Rex than Collins simply due to matchup. Skins at home against an injury riddled Giants team. Rather than Collins, just in the door, at Houston and their great offense. Rex and Beck were here last year and know the system too, which really helps. Collins has been given a watered down playbook. No way he's going to be able to pick up the whole offense in a few weeks. That said, 4 weeks from now, Collins will be better and have far better weapons on offense to play with. The Skins WRs are so mediocre its scary. Moss is so inconsistent. By the way, I can easily see Manning not playing this year. Nerve injuries are scary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted September 8, 2011 If there is an all time MVP in the NFL it's Peyton Manning. Not just becasue he is arguably the best QB ever -- he is also his teams leader , the teams play caller , and no other player I have ever seen has ever been more important to his team. Take Brady away -- they still won 11 games Take Brees away they could still win a few take Rivers away they still win a few Take Peyton away - they don't win 5 games all year and that might be lofty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mzf5c5 0 Posted September 8, 2011 Still the company man I see. You obviously haven't come to grips yet with this whole thing, causing you to act hysterical. They'll win 5 or 6 this year. The only thing that saves them somewhat is the assed up division they're in. Uh, you and the Colts homer need to hang out because this comment makes about as much sense as his. Agree with everything shovel has said here. Listen. Before the two of you post, maybe you should Read! I was defending that the Colts won't be the WORST team in the NFL. I never said they would go undefeated. I do think they can win games and I still think if they do some things right, they can still win the division. Houston currently is the main threat. Why do I have to listen to anyone Chronic? Really? I have a right to form my own opinion. You need to just leave the forums now, if you think anyone has to listen to anyone on a forums. You have no clue what you are doing and you just need to quit trying. I am sorry that you guys don't know how to read. I really feel sorry for you. It must be hard not to have graduated elementary school yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RamslovaMartzhata 3 Posted September 8, 2011 I don't have to, but I like listening/reading here... It's entertaining. Anyhow, I think the Colts are certainly going to be worse, but I don't think it's a forgone conclusion they are going to be terrible. I still think they have a shot at competing for the division. I'd give both Houston and Tennessee the edge, but I'd still put them in the race. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Durka Durka? 2 Posted September 8, 2011 Before the two of you post, maybe you should Read! I was defending that the Colts won't be the WORST team in the NFL. I never said they would go undefeated. I do think they can win games and I still think if they do some things right, they can still win the division. Houston currently is the main threat. Why do I have to listen to anyone Chronic? Really? I have a right to form my own opinion. You need to just leave the forums now, if you think anyone has to listen to anyone on a forums. You have no clue what you are doing and you just need to quit trying. I am sorry that you guys don't know how to read. I really feel sorry for you. It must be hard not to have graduated elementary school yet. Haha yeah to be totally honest I was wondering why so many people jumped you. It's a confusing world out there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted September 8, 2011 I don't have to, but I like listening/reading here... It's entertaining. Anyhow, I think the Colts are certainly going to be worse, but I don't think it's a forgone conclusion they are going to be terrible. I still think they have a shot at competing for the division. I'd give both Houston and Tennessee the edge, but I'd still put them in the race. Okay they lost there All world QB , there OC , Coach, and team leader all in one. Yes I think they can still score a few points with their wr's or maybe we find out their wr's were only good becasue of Peyton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fanfootballtn 33 Posted September 8, 2011 Just got Collins off waivers. Think I'd pick up David Garrard. It makes too much sense for the Colts not to go after him and release Painter. Garrard knows the AFC South defenses and is a better QB than Kerry Collins. Man this would really come back to haunt the Jaguars. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Durka Durka? 2 Posted September 8, 2011 Think I'd pick up David Garrard. It makes too much sense for the Colts not to go after him and release Painter. Garrard knows the AFC South defenses and is a better QB than Kerry Collins. Man this would really come back to haunt the Jaguars. While Garrard is a better QB than Collins right now I dont see this happening. The colts just paid collins a decent sum of money to be with the team. To not use him would be wasteful. Also, Collins still has a lot of the playbook to learn, even though he's been with the team for 2 weeks now. I dont see the Colts picking up a QB who would be even further behind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fanfootballtn 33 Posted September 8, 2011 While Garrard is a better QB than Collins right now I dont see this happening. The colts just paid collins a decent sum of money to be with the team. To not use him would be wasteful. Also, Collins still has a lot of the playbook to learn, even though he's been with the team for 2 weeks now. I dont see the Colts picking up a QB who would be even further behind. 4 million guaranteed is not a lot of money for a QB. It not like Garrard is coming out of retirement. He was a starting QB last week. I think Garrard would do it for cheap just to play this season, get back at the Jags, and prove he still has it in this league. No matter where he goes, he will be behind. Beside, what will happen if Collins get hurt? Painter back behind center and the Colts trade for Jim Sorgi because he knows the system? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giants Fan 85 Posted September 8, 2011 It really is old news but I actually routed publicly, here as a matter of fact, against the Giants one year when Collins was QB, after he lost the SuperBowl in 2000. I think I said something like, "I hope we lose the rest of our games, and get Eli Manning in the draft." and that's pretty much what happened. Week 10 and the Giants were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, why not lose the next 6? Engineer a trade? I friggin hated Collins, as a Giants fan. He fumbled too much and too easily. Couldn't take the pressure, and refused to be a "mentor" to Eli. He had a helluva deep pass, but he just had no poise. Needed total protection, and the Giants didn't have a very good OL back then. Can Saturday make him good again? It's possible. I'm starting to regret waiving Helu for him. The Manning owner seems to be rolling with Alex Smith. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shovelheadt 71 Posted September 8, 2011 Haha yeah to be totally honest I was wondering why so many people jumped you. It's a confusing world out there While it's not personal with him, there's a couple of reasons. When I told everyone last week that they were shooting for week 3, he lost his mind, started flexing on me and lobbed some insults. Then he tosses out a preseason win against the Bengals as proof that they won't be terrible. Hey, it's understandable. He's one of thousands that are currently lost and wandering right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giants Fan 85 Posted September 8, 2011 While it's not personal with him, there's a couple of reasons. When I told everyone last week that they were shooting for week 3, he lost his mind, started flexing on me and lobbed some insults. Then he tosses out a preseason win against the Bengals as proof that they won't be terrible. Hey, it's understandable. He's one of thousands that are currently lost and wandering right now. You shoulda seen BigBlue's reaction when I said "I hope the Giants lose out." It was, "Collins has taken 2 teams to a Superbowl .... there's no way the Giants get Manning. Collins is the future!" and I was a traitor ... for wanting them to lose. But lose they did. Drafted Rivers, but then made that infamous trade. A Super Bowl WIN .... later .... with Eli Manning being the MVP .... I look pretty focking smart. Thanks for saying so. Still I think that Collins .... given the right protection, even as an old man .... he could put up big numbers. He's a pure pocket passer. You're ROLB sneezes in his direction and he fumbles, but if you protect him ... he can air it out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mzf5c5 0 Posted September 8, 2011 Haha yeah to be totally honest I was wondering why so many people jumped you. It's a confusing world out there Mainly because they didn't read what I said. As a fan, of any team, I have high dreams of the Colts in the SB in Indy. Granted, they are crashing down as Manning might not play this year. But to have someone say they become the worst team in the NFL, it is just stupid. Yes, they won't be as good, who can't agree more with that? While it's not personal with him, there's a couple of reasons. When I told everyone last week that they were shooting for week 3, he lost his mind, started flexing on me and lobbed some insults. Then he tosses out a preseason win against the Bengals as proof that they won't be terrible. Hey, it's understandable. He's one of thousands that are currently lost and wandering right now. I have slept since then, but were you the one claiming to have a guy nobody has ever heard of that knows all of Manning's medical history? My comment on the preseason win, was towards, the Colts could not WIN without Manning, my point, they just did. Yes it was against Cin and hardly any starters, but they won without Manning. I was making a point. The last time they won without Manning, I don't know, it would be hard to find the game. So as I said before, at least know what my points are and what they are referencing. Why I don't think they will be terrible, they do have a lot of talent and personally those guys need to step up, for Manning. Prove that they are good players and can win without him. If they can't, then they better hope Manning can play soon. Your comments above supported me. So I do appreciate that, even though you were attacking my comments and telling me I was wrong. It was funny when I realized, you had agreed with me. haha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mzf5c5 0 Posted September 8, 2011 You shoulda seen BigBlue's reaction when I said "I hope the Giants lose out." It was, "Collins has taken 2 teams to a Superbowl .... there's no way the Giants get Manning. Collins is the future!" and I was a traitor ... for wanting them to lose. But lose they did. Drafted Rivers, but then made that infamous trade. A Super Bowl WIN .... later .... with Eli Manning being the MVP .... I look pretty focking smart. Thanks for saying so. Still I think that Collins .... given the right protection, even as an old man .... he could put up big numbers. He's a pure pocket passer. You're ROLB sneezes in his direction and he fumbles, but if you protect him ... he can air it out. My main concern for Collins is our OL. They have to step up...In not only protecting him just a bit longer, to make the play, but to also open up some holes for our running backs. I actually see maybe a heavy dose of Addai/Carter this weekend, to help Collins. They need that. Plus, he has Wayne, Clark, Collie(hopefully), Addai to dump the ball to and a deep threat in Garcon. So he has some talent around him, maybe some of the best he has had in a long time, but the OL has to make all that happen. Else, Painter will be starting week 2 due to injury! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giants Fan 85 Posted September 8, 2011 I got Vick off waivers last year, like 3rd or 4th week in a 12 team money league. So, to imagine Kerry Collins could have a huge year as QB of the Colts ... stranger things have happened. I mean, he is one of the 10 NFL QBs to throw for over 40k yards. He did play (and lose) in 2 Superbowls, with 2 different teams. What a story it would be if he had one more shot at it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted September 8, 2011 Not drafting any Colts is looking better by the day.. I think Cinci should have most teams beat. I am looking at their schedule, I don't see a game they can win. They may be this season's 'Play the Defense versus _____' candidate. Last year it was pretty much Carolina (which still might be the case) but this year figures to see Cincy battling for the 2012 #1 Draft Pick (which somehow the Patriots/Belichick will end up getting ) F A V R E Watch 2011 - someone had to say it! He's probably sitting by the phone with his pants around his ankles waiting for the call. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sportslitter 0 Posted September 8, 2011 Not sure if it's worth anything --- but on the Jaguars evening radio show yesterday Brian Sexton (the play by play guy for the Jags) said the same thing that he's heard Peyton is out for the year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricanrockers 39 Posted September 8, 2011 The OC in Indy is actually going to have to draw up and call plays this year? Who is the OC in Indy? You mean he's actually going to have to earn his paycheck this season?....lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted September 8, 2011 Not sure if it's worth anything --- but on the Jaguars evening radio show yesterday Brian Sexton (the play by play guy for the Jags) said the same thing that he's heard Peyton is out for the year. Nope. TOday they are treating it like a week to week thing. Every doctor has said it will take time but could just heal at some unknown point during the season at any time. So they are stuck with hoping and praying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Gladstone 33 Posted September 8, 2011 To me it sounds like they are pretty sure he's out all year but will do anything they can to not admit it. Dont let the fan base know this is a lost season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mzf5c5 0 Posted September 8, 2011 To me it sounds like they are pretty sure he's out all year but will do anything they can to not admit it. Dont let the fan base know this is a lost season. Honestly, if letting him take the year off and heal is his best option, I would rather him do that and let's just see what we can do with what we have. Maybe I can make a couple games, if ticket prices go to be worth nothing. haha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted September 8, 2011 Mort just tweeted that Peyton had cervical fusion surgery this morning. Out a minimum of 2-3 months. Consider the '11 season ovah for him and the Colts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,062 Posted September 8, 2011 Most likely done for the year. Make other plans, peyton is done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cstriker 2 Posted September 8, 2011 we need more peyton neck surgery threads Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
