Self Defense Killing in Florida...Geeks got an opinion?

[drobeski 3,061]

Drobs would know, he's an abortion that survived.

Quality stuff right there. Have you ever considered a career in creative writing ?

[phillybear 366]

There really are only three unwritten rules that everyone agreed to when they signed the waiver form upon recieving your handle.

 

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2. Leave the Geeks kids out of it

3. There are no other rules; everything else goes.

 

If you break one of the rules you go on "The List". And trust me, you don't want to go on "The List".

 

The only rule is that any new member has to jam a sack of potatoes up their ass and hopscotch their way to Idaho, where they will receive further instructions.

 

I bet the only pitter patter of feet you hear around your home is from a brain damaged cat walking around in a circle.

[pinfish_mauler 0]

I never said he was guilty, I said I couldn't believe you can follow and then shoot a minor dead without even being charged with a crime. Zimmerman deserves his day in court.

 

Gonna wade into the murky depths of this thread after reading this comment...

 

He deserves his day in court if he is charged with a crime. I'm pretty sure there is an investigation going on to deternmine if any charges will be brought against him. That's usually how it works with our criminal justice: Incident>Investigation>Charges Brought>Indictment>Trial. Based on the media reports and press releases, seems to me that the process is still in phase 2. Society has become infatuated/dependent upon instant gratification when it comes to flashpoint topics like this - maybe everyone should just calm down a little and let the investigation run its course before making a determination on Zimmerman's fate.

 

Of course that would require critical thinking/good reasoning skills, things that many folks seem to lack these days.

[kutulu 1,724]

Gonna wade into the murky depths of this thread after reading this comment...

 

He deserves his day in court if he is charged with a crime. I'm pretty sure there is an investigation going on to deternmine if any charges will be brought against him. That's usually how it works with our criminal justice: Incident>Investigation>Charges Brought>Indictment>Trial. Based on the media reports and press releases, seems to me that the process is still in phase 2. Society has become infatuated/dependent upon instant gratification when it comes to flashpoint topics like this - maybe everyone should just calm down a little and let the investigation run its course before making a determination on Zimmerman's fate.

 

Of course that would require critical thinking/good reasoning skills, things that many folks seem to lack these days.

 

Take your liberal smoke screen bullshitte back to Moscow, comrade.

[pinfish_mauler 0]

Take your liberal smoke screen bullshitte back to Moscow, comrade.

 

Liberal?

[MDC 8,066]

Gonna wade into the murky depths of this thread after reading this comment...

 

He deserves his day in court if he is charged with a crime. I'm pretty sure there is an investigation going on to deternmine if any charges will be brought against him. That's usually how it works with our criminal justice: Incident>Investigation>Charges Brought>Indictment>Trial. Based on the media reports and press releases, seems to me that the process is still in phase 2. Society has become infatuated/dependent upon instant gratification when it comes to flashpoint topics like this - maybe everyone should just calm down a little and let the investigation run its course before making a determination on Zimmerman's fate.

 

Of course that would require critical thinking/good reasoning skills, things that many folks seem to lack these days.

 

Like I said, it's incredible to me that someone with Zimmermann's history of being overzealous and threatening can shoot / kill an unarmed minor and avoid being charged with a crime just by claiming self defense. Call me crazy but I can't see why it would take more than a freaking month to figure out whether there's enough evidence to bring charges.

 

Mostly I think people here just reflexively defend the shooter / not black person around here for partisan political reasons, not out of critical thinking or common sense. This is why you have people laying into Martin for smoking dope or whatever but hardly any mention that Zimmermann had been arrested for assaulting a cop and had a restraining order on him from an ex-girlfriend.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Like I said, it's incredible to me that someone with Zimmermann's history of being overzealous and threatening can shoot / kill an unarmed minor and avoid being charged with a crime just by claiming self defense. Call me crazy but I can't see why it would take more than a freaking month to figure out whether there's enough evidence to bring charges.

 

Mostly I think people here just reflexively defend the shooter / not black person around here for partisan political reasons, not out of critical thinking or common sense. This is why you have people laying into Martin for smoking dope or whatever but hardly any mention that Zimmermann had been arrested for assaulting a cop and had a restraining order on him from an ex-girlfriend.

The same can be said of why certain 'liberal' folks when they see a white person...errr...white latino shoot a black person they immediately jump to their own conclusion of how and why (racisim) it happened. Your little 'reflexively' theory works both ways.

 

To be honest I don't see a whole ot of folks who are honestly talking about this (not fishing like Phillybear) are defending Zimmerman per se. They are simply saying, "Hey wait a minute, lets get all the facts first".

[MDC 8,066]

The same can be said of why certain 'liberal' folks when they see a white person...errr...white latino shoot a black person they immediately jump to their own conclusion of how and why (racisim) it happened. Your little 'reflexively' theory works both ways.

 

To be honest I don't see a whole ot of folks who are honestly talking about this (not fishing like Phillybear) are defending Zimmerman per se. They are simply saying, "Hey wait a minute, lets get all the facts first".

 

I wouldn't say racism is the entire reason why it happened but the racial angle is there. I don't think Martin would've looked so "suspicious" if he wasn't black. If it weren't for race, I don't think the media would be drudging up Martin's high school suspensions or talking about hoodies. If the victim were white and wealthy I don't think it would be a month after the shooting without anyone being charged with a crime. And I sure as hell know that people on FFT wouldn't be so willing to take the shooter's side if he was black and the victim were white. Guys like NorthernVike and commenters on other sites can't stop dropping racial slurs. They aren't interested in the facts or patience, they're just racist.

 

This happened over a month ago, how long do you wait for someone to be charged with a crime? I'm not giving Zimmermann the gas chamber here, all I'm saying is it's focking astounding to me that in Florida you can shoot an unarmed minor dead and apparently never even have to explain your actions in court as long as you claim "self defense." That's just nuts.

[Strike 6,030]

I never said he was guilty, I said I couldn't believe you can follow and then shoot a minor dead without even being charged with a crime. Zimmerman deserves his day in court.

 

Nice touch with the kid comment, all class as usual.

 

No sh*t. That was pretty dumb. We all know you can't name your kid Trayvon now that his Mom has trademarked it for profit.

[DankNuggs 305]

I wouldn't say racism is the entire reason why it happened but the racial angle is there. I don't think Martin would've looked so "suspicious" if he wasn't black. If it weren't for race, I don't think the media would be drudging up Martin's high school suspensions or talking about hoodies. If the victim were white and wealthy I don't think it would be a month after the shooting without anyone being charged with a crime. And I sure as hell know that people on FFT wouldn't be so willing to take the shooter's side if he was black and the victim were white. Guys like NorthernVike and commenters on other sites can't stop dropping racial slurs. They aren't interested in the facts or patience, they're just racist.

 

This happened over a month ago, how long do you wait for someone to be charged with a crime? I'm not giving Zimmermann the gas chamber here, all I'm saying is it's focking astounding to me that in Florida you can shoot an unarmed minor dead and apparently never even have to explain your actions in court as long as you claim "self defense." That's just nuts.

you act like the police investigation doesn't matter... The police exist for a reason. You may not like the results of their investigation, but he certainly needed to explain his actions and be vetted by the police as to their veracity.

[kutulu 1,724]

 

 

This happened over a month ago, how long do you wait for someone to be charged with a crime? I'm not giving Zimmermann the gas chamber here, all I'm saying is it's focking astounding to me that in Florida you can shoot an unarmed minor dead and apparently never even have to explain your actions in court as long as you claim "self defense." That's just nuts.

 

Pretty much the reason I posted the thread. Tragic situation no doubt, but legally it's fascinating to me.

[phillybear 366]

To be honest I don't see a whole ot of folks who are honestly talking about this (not fishing like Phillybear) are defending Zimmerman per se. They are simply saying, "Hey wait a minute, lets get all the facts first".

 

Fishing? Wrong sport, pal. Race car driving. And I'm taking my victory laps as I was the first and probably only person from the start that was on Team Zima, the winning team. Hey, it's not easy for a minority to get a fair shake from the law, just like Obama said. But I was bulldoggedly determined that Zima did not get railroaded in this thread by the anti-Latino racist posters at FFT. I believe in the rights of all citizens, and Zima was getting screwed. And that is why I am a humble, don't forget handsome, hero.

[MDC 8,066]

you act like the police investigation doesn't matter... The police exist for a reason. You may not like the results of their investigation, but he certainly needed to explain his actions and be vetted by the police as to their veracity.

 

I don't know whether I like the results of their investigation - it's a month later and there are no results. I'll let you know in 2014 when they decide whether to charge Zimmermann with a crime.

[parrot 790]

I wouldn't say racism is the entire reason why it happened but the racial angle is there. I don't think Martin would've looked so "suspicious" if he wasn't black. If it weren't for race, I don't think the media would be drudging up Martin's high school suspensions or talking about hoodies. If the victim were white and wealthy I don't think it would be a month after the shooting without anyone being charged with a crime. And I sure as hell know that people on FFT wouldn't be so willing to take the shooter's side if he was black and the victim were white. Guys like NorthernVike and commenters on other sites can't stop dropping racial slurs. They aren't interested in the facts or patience, they're just racist.

 

This happened over a month ago, how long do you wait for someone to be charged with a crime? I'm not giving Zimmermann the gas chamber here, all I'm saying is it's focking astounding to me that in Florida you can shoot an unarmed minor dead and apparently never even have to explain your actions in court as long as you claim "self defense." That's just nuts.

 

Tell me this MDC, do you think Zimmerman should be charged with a crime, even if the available evidence points to self defense, just so he gets his day in court? Do you think that charging him, then potentially releasing him, is going to make this siutation better or worse? You think people are worked up now, just think if Zimmerman were tried and released. If you charge him, you better be damn sure you can convict him, or just go ahead and burn the town down right now and get a head-start on the rebuilding.

[MDC 8,066]

Tell me this MDC, do you think Zimmerman should be charged with a crime, even if the available evidence points to self defense, just so he gets his day in court? Do you think that charging him, then potentially releasing him, is going to make this siutation better or worse? You think people are worked up now, just think if Zimmerman were tried and released. If you charge him, you better be damn sure you can convict him, or just go ahead and burn the town down right now and get a head-start on the rebuilding.

 

I think based on what we know now that there's more than enough evidence to charge Zimmerman with a crime. I'm basing this on the fact that he followed Martin despite being told not to by the dispatcher, initiated the situation by getting out of his SUV, and shot him dead. Given that he didn't seek any immediate medical treatment I don't see how lethal force was necessary. Also, the man has a long history of reporting "suspicious" activity to the cops, he was arrested for assaulting a police officer himself, and he was served with a restraining order by an ex-girlfriend. Based on all of this I think he should've been charged with a crime. I'll amend or change my opinion in light of new info, so far nothing I've read has changed my mind.

 

Whether charging / releasing him or finding him innocent in court would make things worse is IMO beside the point. What's making this situation worse now is that the police have been investigating this situation for over a month now and apparently still can't decide whether to charge Zimmerman with a crime.

[Phurfur 70]

Elderly couple forced out of home after tweet claims killer of Trayvon Martin lives there

 

 

 

SANFORD, Fla – An elderly Florida couple have been forced to move into a hotel after their home address was wrongly tweeted as belonging to the man who shot teen Trayvon Martin.

 

The tweets were traced back to a man in California and the address was also reportedly retweeted by director Spike Lee to his almost 250,000 followers.

 

 

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/28/elderly-couple-forced-out-home-after-tweet-claims-killer-trayvon-miller-lives/#ixzz1qQJTXhb8

[KSB2424 3,174]

Tell me this MDC, do you think Zimmerman should be charged with a crime, even if the available evidence points to self defense, just so he gets his day in court? Do you think that charging him, then potentially releasing him, is going to make this siutation better or worse? You think people are worked up now, just think if Zimmerman were tried and released. If you charge him, you better be damn sure you can convict him, or just go ahead and burn the town down right now and get a head-start on the rebuilding.

To be honest, the way all this has played out (and if it was indeed self defense), it may have been in Zimmermans best interest to have been arrested on the spot. That way the actual facts would have come to light much sooner and the whole racism narrative might have been avoided or not made such a public outcry about. By being arrested and then later let go, Zimmerman's own life may not have been put in danger like it is now.

[phillybear 366]

Also, the man has a long history of reporting "suspicious" activity to the cops, he was arrested for assaulting a police officer himself, and he was served with a restraining order by an ex-girlfriend. Based on all of this I think he should've been charged with a crime. I'll amend or change my opinion in light of new info, so far nothing I've read has changed my mind.

 

Can't use his prior activities in probable cause for an arrest of in court.

 

Just like a judge isn't likely to permit the knowledge of the activities of Traythug: drug possession, drug paraphenalia possession, assaulting a bus driver, burglary, possessing a lethal weapon on school grounds, possession of stolen property, vandalism due to graffiti. And that's just the stuff we know about so far.

[Phurfur 70]

To be honest, the way all this has played out (and if it was indeed self defense), it may have been in Zimmermans best interest to have been arrested on the spot. That way the actual facts would have come to light much sooner and the whole racism narrative might have been avoided or not made such a public outcry about. By being arrested and then later let go, Zimmerman's own life may not have been put in danger like it is now.

 

We are the Great Society!

[MDC 8,066]

Can't use his prior activities in probable cause for an arrest of in court.

 

Just like a judge isn't likely to permit the knowledge of the activities of Traythug: drug possession, drug paraphenalia possession, assaulting a bus driver, burglary, possessing a lethal weapon on school grounds, possession of stolen property, vandalism due to graffiti. And that's just the stuff we know about so far.

 

Fair enough. What we know is that Zimmerman followed Martin, got out of his SUV to initiate some kind of confrontation, and shot him dead, supposedly in self-defense even though Martin was unarmed and Zimmerman didn't need any medical attention.

 

 

KSB is right, it would've been in Zimmerman's best interest to get arrested on the spot. At least then the facts would come forward and it wouldn't seem so much like the police and media soft-pedaling the shooting because Martin is a black teenager.

 

The worst thing about this story is it's brought out the Al Sharpton / Black Panther race huckster types, along with the legitimate racist bigots who write it off because Martin was black.

[phillybear 366]

Fair enough. What we know is that Zimmerman followed Martin, got out of his SUV to initiate some kind of confrontation, and shot him dead, supposedly in self-defense even though Martin was unarmed and Zimmerman didn't need any medical attention.

 

 

KSB is right, it would've been in Zimmerman's best interest to get arrested on the spot. At least then the facts would come forward and it wouldn't seem so much like the police and media soft-pedaling the shooting because Martin is a black teenager.

 

The worst thing about this story is it's brought out the Al Sharpton / Black Panther race huckster types, along with the legitimate racist bigots who write it off because Martin was black.

 

I don't buy the medical attention angle. If you shoot somebody dead, for most likely the first time in your life, there is a strong possibility of shock. That shock can last a little while, and the pain may not really surface until it wears off.

 

I hurt my ankle playing tennis. I limped on it for 6 days before I went to the hospital. It was broken and it was put in a cast. Just because you don't go seek medical attention right away doesn't mean you didn't get legitimately injured.

[parrot 790]

To be honest, the way all this has played out (and if it was indeed self defense), it may have been in Zimmermans best interest to have been arrested on the spot. That way the actual facts would have come to light much sooner and the whole racism narrative might have been avoided or not made such a public outcry about. By being arrested and then later let go, Zimmerman's own life may not have been put in danger like it is now.

 

Yeah, maybe. Then again the whole thing may have just been delayed. As things stand now there is at least still a chance that he might be charged. And just as a point of order, Zimmerman was "arrested"; he was cuffed and stuffed and taken to an interview room at Sanford PD. He just wasn't charged with anything.

[Phurfur 70]

Q. What type of society needs Neighborhood Watch programs?

A. The Great Society!

[parrot 790]

Fair enough. What we know is that Zimmerman followed Martin, got out of his SUV to initiate some kind of confrontation, and shot him dead, supposedly in self-defense even though Martin was unarmed and Zimmerman didn't need any medical attention.

 

 

Zimmerman received medical attention from paramedics on the scene. The officers on scene noted blood coming from his nose and and the back of his head in their initial report.

 

report

[redtodd 7]

I don't buy the medical attention angle. If you shoot somebody dead, for most likely the first time in your life, there is a strong possibility of shock. That shock can last a little while, and the pain may not really surface until it wears off.

 

I hurt my ankle playing tennis. I limped on it for 6 days before I went to the hospital. It was broken and it was put in a cast. Just because you don't go seek medical attention right away doesn't mean you didn't get legitimately injured.

 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

To be honest, the way all this has played out (and if it was indeed self defense), it may have been in Zimmermans best interest to have been arrested on the spot. That way the actual facts would have come to light much sooner and the whole racism narrative might have been avoided or not made such a public outcry about. By being arrested and then later let go, Zimmerman's own life may not have been put in danger like it is now.

 

Meh, I don't know if that is the case. It may have led to further "trial by media" information during the investigation.

 

Zimmerman is being charged in the court of public opinion. That court is not really concerned with truth and justice.

 

BTW - I am not saying that he is not guilty. I am saying that this is a media circus regardless of whether he is ever charged or not.

[Phurfur 70]

It is sad that so many people in this country want this to be a racially motivated incident and are using it to incite racial conflict.

[parrot 790]

Meh, I don't know if that is the case. It may have led to further "trial by media" information during the investigation.

 

Zimmerman is being charged in the court of public opinion. That court is not really concerned with truth and justice.

 

BTW - I am not saying that he is not guilty. I am saying that this is a media circus regardless of whether he is ever charged or not.

 

[phillybear 366]

 

Pinned my opponent in the corner with a cross court backhand. He reeturned a high but weak lob to the net, where I was waiting. I jumped up, smashed a winner, and came down on one of my ankles sideways. It just rolled up under me. I've had high ankles sprains before, mostly in basketball since I never wore high tops. But this pain never got better. Sh!t happens.

[Phurfur 70]

Meh, I don't know if that is the case. It may have led to further "trial by media" information during the investigation.

 

Zimmerman is being charged in the court of public opinion. That court is not really concerned with truth and justice.

 

BTW - I am not saying that he is not guilty. I am saying that this is a media circus regardless of whether he is ever charged or not.

 

[MDC 8,066]

It is sad that so many people in this country want this to be a racially motivated incident and are using it to incite racial conflict.

 

Like NorthernVike and the Black Panthers? Very sad indeed.

[NorthernVike 2,100]

Like NorthernVike and the Black Panthers? Very sad indeed.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I sure wish MDC would post "what we know happened" about 10 more times. The first 30 times wasn't enough.

[drobeski 3,061]

I sure wish MDC would post "what we know happened" about 10 more times. The first 30 times wasn't enough.

We do know he's a welching mascara wearing secretary who failed miserably at his dream to become a writer and lives in the scientifically proven sh!ttiest city on the planet.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

It is sad that so many people in this country want this to be a racially motivated incident and are using it to incite racial conflict.

 

Did you catch NorthernVike's racist post a few pages back? (It has since been deleted; I don't know why NV wasn't banned but he should have been.)

 

Because as disgusting as that post was, I think it was one of the more truthful posts from the pro-Zimmerman crowd. He merely said what some of you are thinking in the back of your mind.

[drobeski 3,061]

Did you catch NorthernVike's racist post a few pages back? (It has since been deleted; I don't know why NV wasn't banned but he should have been.)

 

Because as disgusting as that post was, I think it was one of the more truthful posts from the pro-Zimmerman crowd. He merely said what some of you are thinking in the back of your mind.

You mam are a giant gaping vagina, are you talking about the post where he mentioned the kids self created Twitter name nigga ?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

You mam are a giant gaping vagina, are you talking about the post where he mentioned the kids self created Twitter name nigga ?

 

And here you come rushing to defend NorthernVike's racism. There's a shocker.

[redtodd 7]

Isn't the key to this incident the identification of the person yelling for help?

 

If it is Trayvon, it should be a lay-up for a murder charge.

 

If it is Zimmerman, he may very well have been acting in self defense.

 

[drobeski 3,061]

And here you come rushing to defend NorthernVike's racism. There's a shocker.

Racism ? who are you to define it ? You do know that was his Twitter name right ? Libtards hate just focking hate facts.

The real racists are scumbags like you Jackson spike lee sharpton and the rest of the hacks who somehow want to turn a Mexican shooting a black into a racial thing ...you're the focking racist ...look in the mirror you focking ignorant fool.

[Phurfur 70]

Did you catch NorthernVike's racist post a few pages back? (It has since been deleted; I don't know why NV wasn't banned but he should have been.)

 

Because as disgusting as that post was, I think it was one of the more truthful posts from the pro-Zimmerman crowd. He merely said what some of you are thinking in the back of your mind.

 

 

How would you know what anyone is thinking in the back of their mind? Thanks, you just proved my point. I guess this one is important after the Duke Lacrosse Scandal and the NY cop incident.

 

BTW: When you wish the worst out of people that is how you will perceive them.