Self Defense Killing in Florida...Geeks got an opinion?

[DAVID RUFFIN 3]

Do any of you recall the 911 call by zimmerman?

 

Fact: reporting a black kid who looks suspicious,

zimm asked if he was following him.

zimm admits he is.

police tell him to not do that.

zimm ignores police and continues to stalk the kid.

zimm finally gets close enough to get his azz kicked.

zimm then shoots the kid.

zimm then claims stand your ground right to shoot the kid.

 

Now look, I know some of you right wingers are severely mentally challenged.

But even the right should be able to identify stalking.

 

Would it help to give you an example like a person or store has a video tape of a guy following a women in a mall parking lot, catches up with her, rapes her, and then the guy claims self defense?

 

Does that help you understand how stupid zimm's excuse is and how stupid the police and prosecutors and you neo cons are to believe him???????????????

[cyclone24 1,940]

I just read all the specifics of this case. I've been really busy the past two weeks and only caught snippets of this story on CNN.

 

Two things.

 

1. I didn't know the Zimmerman guy was Latino. I thought he was white with all the racial stuff I saw on the news. The media is really playing the racial angle here, it had me totally confused.

 

2. What a weird story. It seems to me that the athourities are doing what they should be doing. Either the evidence shows it was self defense or he will be charged and a trial will happen.

 

Whats the big deal?

 

Blacks see it as another case where white cops, and at the time a white man shot a unarmed black teen (didnt know there was such a thing)....anyway....and how blacks are under attack.

 

completely ignoring the black on black crime that is just astounding in numbers.

[drobeski 3,061]

I just read all the specifics of this case. I've been really busy the past two weeks and only caught snippets of this story on CNN.

 

Two things.

 

1. I didn't know the Zimmerman guy was Latino. I thought he was white with all the racial stuff I saw on the news. The media is really playing the racial angle here, it had me totally confused.

 

2. What a weird story. It seems to me that the athourities are doing what they should be doing. Either the evidence shows it was self defense or he will be charged and a trial will happen.

 

Whats the big deal?

The big deal is we have an election coming up and racial division/ inequality will be the key component of one parties platform.

I think they may sense the white guilt tank starting to run on empty and this is just another one of the many ebt cards they will attempt to use in order to refuel that tank.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Do any of you recall the 911 call by zimmerman?

 

Fact: reporting a black kid who looks suspicious,

zimm asked if he was following him.

zimm admits he is.

police tell him to not do that.

zimm ignores police and continues to stalk the kid.

zimm finally gets close enough to get his azz kicked.

zimm then shoots the kid.

zimm then claims stand your ground right to shoot the kid.

 

Now look, I know some of you right wingers are severely mentally challenged.

But even the right should be able to identify stalking.

 

Would it help to give you an example like a person or store has a video tape of a guy following a women in a mall parking lot, catches up with her, rapes her, and then the guy claims self defense?

 

Does that help you understand how stupid zimm's excuse is and how stupid the police and prosecutors and you neo cons are to believe him???????????????

What does 'right wingers' or 'left wingers' have to do with this stroy? I'm late to the party, but that comment seems weird to me.

 

I don't think anyone who is seriously commenting on this thinks the Zimmerman guy isn't more than likely an overzealous weirdo.

[phillybear 366]

Do any of you recall the 911 call by zimmerman?

 

Fact: reporting a black kid who looks suspicious,

zimm asked if he was following him.

zimm admits he is.

police tell him to not do that.

zimm ignores police and continues to stalk the kid.

zimm finally gets close enough to get his azz kicked.

zimm then shoots the kid.

zimm then claims stand your ground right to shoot the kid.

 

Now look, I know some of you right wingers are severely mentally challenged.

But even the right should be able to identify stalking.

 

Would it help to give you an example like a person or store has a video tape of a guy following a women in a mall parking lot, catches up with her, rapes her, and then the guy claims self defense?

 

Does that help you understand how stupid zimm's excuse is and how stupid the police and prosecutors and you neo cons are to believe him???????????????

 

A 911 operator is not police. The non-authoritative operator never said "don't do that" just we don't "need you to do that".

 

Zimmerman was leaving. The kid jumped him from behind, pulled him out of the truck, and sucker punched him. Based on eyewitness reports.

 

The career criminal kid was in the process of committing a murder when a bullet stopped him.

 

Facts. Learn them, live them, love them.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Do any of you recall the 911 call by zimmerman?

 

Fact: reporting a black kid who looks suspicious,

zimm asked if he was following him.

zimm admits he is.

police tell him to not do that.

zimm ignores police and continues to stalk the kid.

zimm finally gets close enough to get his azz kicked.

zimm then shoots the kid.

zimm then claims stand your ground right to shoot the kid.

 

Now look, I know some of you right wingers are severely mentally challenged.

But even the right should be able to identify stalking.

 

Would it help to give you an example like a person or store has a video tape of a guy following a women in a mall parking lot, catches up with her, rapes her, and then the guy claims self defense?

 

Does that help you understand how stupid zimm's excuse is and how stupid the police and prosecutors and you neo cons are to believe him???????????????

So was Martin raping Zimmerman or was it the other way around? I'm confused.

[NorthernVike 2,100]

A 911 operator is not police. The non-authoritative operator never said "don't do that" just we don't "need you to do that".

 

Zimmerman was leaving. The kid jumped him from behind, pulled him out of the truck, and sucker punched him. Based on eyewitness reports.

 

The career criminal kid was in the process of committing a murder when a bullet stopped him.

 

Facts. Learn them, live them, love them.

/thread

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Says you ? You as usual have no focking clue and just make ###### up.

Leave it to the proffesaionals kid, not some life time college dweeb who couldn't pass the bar like yourself.

 

You're pretty fockin' far off on your assessment of me. Just as you're wrong about pretty much everything you type.

[jerryskids 7,192]

 

Whats the big deal?

 

It's playing out as it should. White people are getting to show that all black teens are thugs. Jesse and Al have another platform to scream racism. Greta van Susteren has a story to fill her show. The Black Panthers have a tax deduction when somebody kills Zimmerman and claims the bounty.

 

Everybody is winning$#@! Well, except Zimmerman. And Martin.

[kutulu 1,724]

A 911 operator is not police. The non-authoritative operator never said "don't do that" just we don't "need you to do that".

 

Zimmerman was leaving. The kid jumped him from behind, pulled him out of the truck, and sucker punched him. Based on eyewitness reports.

 

The career criminal kid was in the process of committing a murder when a bullet stopped him.

 

Facts. Learn them, live them, love them.

Why even have a justice system with libs like you making excuses for the criminals? People like you shouldn't get a vote.

[NorthernVike 2,100]

It's playing out as it should. White people are getting to show that all black teens are thugs. Jesse and Al have another platform to scream racism. Greta van Susteren has a story to fill her show. The Black Panthers have a tax deduction when somebody kills Zimmerman and claims the bounty.

 

Everybody is winning$#@! Well, except Zimmerman. And Martin.

 

 

 

This

[DAVID RUFFIN 3]

What does 'right wingers' or 'left wingers' have to do with this stroy? I'm late to the party, but that comment seems weird to me.

 

I don't think anyone who is seriously commenting on this thinks the Zimmerman guy isn't more than likely an overzealous weirdo.

 

 

Check out the posters that defend Zimmerman. Very few posters state that Zimmerman is likely an overzealous weirdo.

[Little Rusty 19]

Do any of you recall the 911 call by zimmerman?

 

Fact: reporting a black kid who looks suspicious,

zimm asked if he was following him.

zimm admits he is.

police tell him to not do that.

zimm ignores police and continues to stalk the kid.

zimm finally gets close enough to get his azz kicked.

zimm then shoots the kid.

zimm then claims stand your ground right to shoot the kid.

 

FACT: Your facts are wrong

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Ruffin and Worms were obviously hiding in the bushes right next to the shooting feverishly taking notes.

[drobeski 3,061]

Zimm is a democrat

[BLS 315]

Wasn't nigga or something like it his twitter name ?

 

 

no_limit_nigga was his twitter name.

 

Go back and look at the beginning of this thread. I EVEN stated that it looked like Zimmerman was wrong, and should be prosecuted.

 

Additional facts have made me change my stance and it's looking strongly like a self defense case (hence why he wasn't arrested).

 

If I can change my mind based on police records, facts of the case, witness accounts and not hyperbole, why can't others?

[cbfalcon 828]

I haven't been following this story, but my gut tells me it was the black one's fault.

 

[Vikings4ever 570]

Do any of you recall the 911 call by zimmerman?

 

Fact: reporting a black kid who looks suspicious,

zimm asked if he was following him.

zimm admits he is.

police tell him to not do that.

zimm ignores police and continues to stalk the kid.

zimm finally gets close enough to get his azz kicked.

zimm then shoots the kid.

zimm then claims stand your ground right to shoot the kid.

 

Now look, I know some of you right wingers are severely mentally challenged.

But even the right should be able to identify stalking.

 

Would it help to give you an example like a person or store has a video tape of a guy following a women in a mall parking lot, catches up with her, rapes her, and then the guy claims self defense?

 

Does that help you understand how stupid zimm's excuse is and how stupid the police and prosecutors and you neo cons are to believe him???????????????

Except according to Zimmerman, he had stopped following Martin, and went back to his car. Which, if true, would mean Martin would have had to start following him. If the kid's body was found near the car, that would seem to corroborate the story (and there is at least one witness who has corroborated Martin trying to bash Zimmerman's brain in).

 

I could see Zimmerman being charged with something along the lines of negligent homicide for putting the whole thing in motion, but, based on the information we have now, I don't think any impartial jury would convict him of second degree murder.

[posty 2,848]

Zimm is a democrat

 

http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/

[DankNuggs 305]

I just read all the specifics of this case. I've been really busy the past two weeks and only caught snippets of this story on CNN.

 

Two things.

 

1. I didn't know the Zimmerman guy was Latino. I thought he was white with all the racial stuff I saw on the news. The media is really playing the racial angle here, it had me totally confused.

 

2. What a weird story. It seems to me that the athourities are doing what they should be doing. Either the evidence shows it was self defense or he will be charged and a trial will happen.

 

Whats the big deal?

The media considers zimmerman white.... which is funny, but minority on minority crime doesn't get the same interest, so they just omit the fact he isn't white...

 

Sounds like as the details emerge that the kid started the physical aggression, i could easily believe that Zimm initiated the contact, Martin initiated the altercation, and it ended the unfortunate way it did... Was he performing his duty as neighborhood watch, or was he stalking the kid? Probably worth the courts finding out

 

but i don't get the racial outrage... Its all just made up out of thin air...

[jerryskids 7,192]

Do any of you recall the 911 call by zimmerman?

 

Fact: reporting a black kid who looks suspicious,

zimm asked if he was following him.

zimm admits he is.

police tell him to not do that.

zimm ignores police and continues to stalk the kid.

zimm finally gets close enough to get his azz kicked.

zimm then shoots the kid.

zimm then claims stand your ground right to shoot the kid.

 

Now look, I know some of you right wingers are severely mentally challenged.

But even the right should be able to identify stalking.

 

Would it help to give you an example like a person or store has a video tape of a guy following a women in a mall parking lot, catches up with her, rapes her, and then the guy claims self defense?

 

Does that help you understand how stupid zimm's excuse is and how stupid the police and prosecutors and you neo cons are to believe him???????????????

I'm a wacko righty and I started out thinking there should be a trial. With additional info, I now think they are doing the right thing -- investigating before bringing charges.

 

Then again, I'm pretty sure you hear voices in your head, so I'm not sure why I'm bothering to explain it.

[NorthernVike 2,100]

I'm sure it's confined to online and NorthernVike would never in his life say that in front of anyone he doesn't know.

 

The interwebs is a great place for poosays.

Hey, it's the name he gave himself so...

 

 

and you are right, the interwebs is a great place for you.

[MDC 8,077]

Hey, it's the name he gave himself so...

 

 

and you are right, the interwebs is a great place for you.

 

The interwebs is full of bigots, scared little men who get to act brave online. ANd you are one of them.

[drobeski 3,061]

http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/

When will the violence from the left end

[Recliner Pilot 61]

http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/

More proof Democrats are racists.

[BudBro 185]

the obama racial division plan for the summer run-up to the election is now officially underway.

 

the potus injected himself into another "potential" black v white case before knowing anything in the hopes that it would gain traction.

 

now, he's got blacks against mexicans...not real smart since the black vote is already maxed out. he needed the mexicans.

[Strike 6,032]

Multiple suspensions paint complicated portrait of Trayvon Martin

 

 

By Frances Robles

frobles@MiamiHerald.com

 

SANFORD -- As thousands of people gathered here to demand an arrest in the Trayvon Martin case, a more complicated portrait began to emerge of a teenager whose problems at school ranged from getting spotted defacing lockers to getting caught with a marijuana baggie and women’s jewelry.

 

The Miami Gardens teen who has become a national symbol of racial injustice was suspended three times, and had a spotty school record that his family’s attorneys say is irrelevant to the facts that led up to his being gunned down on Feb. 26.

 

In October, a school police investigator said he saw Trayvon on the school surveillance camera in an unauthorized area “hiding and being suspicious.” Then he said he saw Trayvon mark up a door with “W.T.F” — an acronym for “what the f---.” The officer said he found Trayvon the next day and went through his book bag in search of the graffiti marker.

 

Instead the officer reported he found women’s jewelry and a screwdriver that he described as a “burglary tool,” according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald. Word of the incident came as the family’s lawyer acknowledged that the boy was suspended in February for getting caught with an empty bag with traces of marijuana, which he called “irrelevant” and an attempt to demonize a victim.

 

Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described silver wedding bands and earrings with diamonds.

 

Trayvon was asked if the jewelry belonged to his family or a girlfriend.

 

“Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,” he responded, according to the report. Trayvon declined to name the friend.

 

Trayvon was not disciplined because of the discovery, but was instead suspended for graffiti, according to the report. School police impounded the jewelry and sent photos of the items to detectives at Miami-Dade police for further investigation.

 

A lawyer for the dead teen’s family acknowledged Trayvon had been suspended for graffiti, but said the family knew nothing about the jewelry and the screwdriver.

 

“It’s completely irrelevant to what happened Feb. 26,” said attorney Benjamin Crump. “They never heard this, and don’t believe it’s true. If it were true, why wouldn’t they call the parents? Why wasn’t he arrested?”

 

Trayvon, who was a junior at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School, had never been arrested, police and the family have said.

 

“We think everybody is trying to demonize him,” Crump said.

 

No evidence ever surfaced that the jewelry was stolen.

 

“Martin was suspended, warned and dismissed for the graffiti,” according to the report prepared by schools police.

 

That suspension was followed four months later by another one in February, in which Trayvon was caught with an empty plastic bag with traces of marijuana in it. A schools police report obtained by The Miami Herald specifies two items: a bag with marijuana residue and a “marijuana pipe.”

 

The punishment was the third for the teen. On Monday, the family also said Trayvon had earlier been suspended for tardiness and truancy.

 

Trayvon was shot to death Feb. 26 while serving out his suspension in Sanford, where his father’s girlfriend lives. A neighborhood watch volunteer called the police to say he saw someone in a hoodie who looked high on drugs, and was suspicious because he walked too slowly in the rain. The unarmed teenager carried Skittles and iced tea, and was talking to his girlfriend on the phone, records show.

 

Zimmerman told police Trayvon jumped him, punched him in the face and slammed his head on the ground, according to information published by the Orlando Sentinel. The news account came a day after a friend of Zimmerman’s took to television network programs to say the watchman was the victim in the case.

 

“That sounded like someone in dire need of help,” said friend Joe Oliver, referring to cries heard on 911 tapes. “That sounded like George.”

 

Zimmerman’s attorney, Craig Sonner, did not return repeated requests for an interview.

 

Trayvon’s parents viewed the new reports as an orchestrated campaign to demonize their son as a “junkie and thief,” a routine occurrence in such cases, the Rev. Al Sharpton said at an afternoon press conference. Zimmerman, Sharpton said, had no way of knowing about Trayvon’s school record — “because he didn’t interview him before he shot him.”

 

“The only thing that’s relevant is what Zimmerman knew,” Sharpton said. “Let’s not play this double standard of trying to damage who is dead and sanitize who is the cause of the death.”

 

Trayvon’s mother, Sybrina Fulton, said her son never had any problems with gangs or the police. In fact, she said, when she transferred him out of Carol City High School to be closer to home, the school wanted him to stay at Carol City because they liked him and he was a good student.

 

“They killed my son, and now they are trying to kill his reputation,” Fulton said.

 

Another lawyer for the family said she didn’t put much credence in the report about the jewelry and the screwdriver.

 

“This is someone in a school writing a report, rumor as far as I’m concerned,” said attorney Natalie Jackson.

 

The boy’s checkered school record was of little importance to the thousands of people who descended on the city’s civic center for a special city council meeting. Speaker after speaker blasted the investigation and demanded the police file charges in the case.

 

“We want to reaffirm that we too are in pursuit of truth and justice,” Mayor Jeff Triplett said.

 

Participants included bus and carloads of people from Miami, including some from Trayvon’s church. Wearing a T-shirt declaring “I am a man,” Miami Homicide Sgt. Ervens Ford was among them.

 

“This is personal,” Ford said. “I have a son that age. I am getting ready to release him to the world. I have to expose him to things like this. I also have a 12-year-old. I have to be realistic about it: It very very well could have been either one of them.”

 

Like so many black fathers in America, Ford finds himself schooling his sons on what clothes to wear, what to say to a cop. He calls it “conflict resolution.”

 

“That man was following him around the way he was, placing Trayvon in fear. Had Travyon shot him and claimed ‘Stand Your Ground,’ Trayvon would have been arrested,” he said. “I’m saying this having been law enforcement for 25 years. I am saying this, and it is my conviction.”

 

Liberty City activist Renita Holmes attended with about a dozen fellow protesters.

 

“This case broke me,” she said. “If we continue to do it, it will make a difference. The way we handle this should be a precedent on how we handle every case.”

 

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/v-fullstory/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html

[jerryskids 7,192]

Sharpton said. “Let’s not play this double standard

 

[IGotWorms 4,063]

NorthernVike is most likely a whiny little pvssy who gets pushed around all day, every day. So he comes on the Internet to play the role of racist tough guy to compensate for the meek little fock he is IRL.

 

It's sad, really.

[Little Rusty 19]

I am Breitbart,....not Trayvon

[Little Rusty 19]

 

but i don't get the racial outrage... Its all just made up out of thin air...

this is what they do

[drobeski 3,061]

 

Blatant racist like sharpton are funny.

[Little Rusty 19]

the obama racial division plan for the summer run-up to the election is now officially underway.

 

the potus injected himself into another "potential" black v white case before knowing anything in the hopes that it would gain traction.

 

now, he's got blacks against mexicans...not real smart since the black vote is already maxed out. he needed the mexicans.

The dude is a complete scam artist

 

I saw that right away when he came on the scene, and everything since has only strengthened that belief.

[BudBro 185]

has the latino naacp chimed in yet with their "outrage" about jessie and obama calling the cop a white dude?

[KSB2424 3,174]

I did learn something today though. In my 36 years on this earth I had never ever heard the term White-Latino before. That is a new one to me. Still not 100% sure what it means, but I now have heard of it.

[NorthernVike 2,100]

NorthernVike is most likely a whiny little pvssy who gets pushed around all day, every day. So he comes on the Internet to play the role of racist tough guy to compensate for the meek little fock he is IRL.

 

It's sad, really.

Yep, you nailed it big guy. Althou you forgot to add in how small my pemmus is, that I don't have any money, nevah been laid, homeless, unemployed, etc, etc, etc.

 

 

 

Wait a second! That would make me a Democrat

[BudBro 185]

I did learn something today though. In my 36 years on this earth I had never ever heard the term White-Latino before. That is a new one to me. Still not 100% sure what it means, but I now have heard of it.

the fake outrage doesn't work without the "white" part added in.

[GobbleDog 1,018]

Why does everything in Florida get blow out of proportion? I didn't think much of the Casey Anthony case when I first heard about it locally and was surprised when the national media went nuts over it.

 

This case got big even faster. I figured it would just be another random shooting story that you hear and forget about. But no.... Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton show up within a week pretending it's the 1950's and the media hype is in full swing.

 

 

Is the rest of the nation starved for news stories?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Yep, you nailed it big guy. Althou you forgot to add in how small my pemmus is, that I don't have any money, nevah been laid, homeless, unemployed, etc, etc, etc.

 

 

 

Wait a second! That would make me a Democrat

 

I'm sure you have a home and everyone gets laid at some point. I just bet you spend most of your days being brow-beaten by your fat miserable wife or some such

[NorthernVike 2,100]

I'm sure you have a home and everyone gets laid at some point. I just bet you spend most of your days being brow-beaten by your fat miserable wife or some such

I feel so sorry for you. I can only guess how hard life is for you being so rich, popular, tall dark and handsome, tolerant and wise.