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Lamar Miller is overrated..

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The guy had like 50 carries last year. In the HOF game, he had two 10+ yard runs on plays where there was "parting of the red sea". Not like he earned those yards. He looks small, kind of like a scat back. I don't see him moving piles. And based on that fumble he had, he seems like his hands are suspect. He is going before guys like F. Gore and I don't know why.

So what is the hype surrounding this guy? What is so special about him?

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Miller is not real small, maybe 210 or so, but he's shifty and needs space to operate. No, he's not going to move piles. That's not the kind of back he is, and when the O-line doesn't open holes for him, he's going to struggle to create his own yards. If he can get to the edge, he's effective in space, but when he runs between the tackles, he's reliant on the line to help spring him to the next level. He's obviously not Barry Sanders, but I can see a lot of -1 and no gains with some bursts of 12 or 16 yards mixed in. Backs like Miller will have decent looking stats at the end of the year because of a few big games, but he'll be inconsistent week to week and a headache to own IMO.

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Yeah me personally, I dont see why everyone is so high on him. Im definately not gonna take him above gore, bush, ivory, or even demarco murray. I'll have to see him in some more preseaon games to justify taking him higher than any of them

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I wouldn't take him, I had Reggie Bush last year, dude was consistently getting 4 yards a pop, then when they put this shmuck in he wouldn't do anything- it was very frustrating.

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Yeah me personally, I dont see why everyone is so high on him. Im definately not gonna take him above gore, bush, ivory, or even demarco murray. I'll have to see him in some more preseaon games to justify taking him higher than any of them

the 49ers rb spot is so darn busy i think gore numbers drop because there is so much other talent on that team at rb . ivory who? d murry might not even be the best rb on his own team imo . i would take bush then miller imo

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the 49ers rb spot is so darn busy i think gore numbers drop because there is so much other talent on that team at rb . ivory who? d murry might not even be the best rb on his own team imo . i would take bush then miller imo

First of all, I did that list more to show how little amount of confidence I have in miller, not how much I have in the other players. But, i'll go into depth on them since you doubt them. Despite the 49ers rb spot being busy almost every year since harbaugh joined, Gore has still gotten a solid number of carries and most importantly goaline carries. He might suffer more than usual because of Kaepernick though but I still think he could be solid. Chris Ivory is going to be the number 1 back on the jets, and I know he wont have a great season, but I thank he showed some solid potential in New Orleans. But again I was simply saying I think he'll do better than miller. And I think Murray is undoubtedly the best RB on his team. The only question with him is that he gets injured pretty consistently every year.

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The reason to be high on him is that he SHOULD be getting a whole lot of touches. Is he going to set the world on fire with those touches? Probably not, but if he touches the ball 300 times he pretty much has to get over 1,000 yards and 6-8 TDs. Anything else is gravy.

 

Let's say Miller is just mediocre. Well OK, who's going to take playing time from him? Daniel Thomas? I suppose it's possible but that guy has hardly done anything to deserve a second look.

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The funny thing is everyone is acting like he's a rookie and the Phins just drafted him to be their starter this year. That's not true at all. I'm not convinced he is the sole bellcow back, I really suspect that Daniel Thomas will share duties in an RBBC. Daniel Thomas is I believe only a year older than him, and was also drafted high to be "the man" himself.

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I wouldn't take him, I had Reggie Bush last year, dude was consistently getting 4 yards a pop, then when they put this shmuck in he wouldn't do anything- it was very frustrating.

really????

 

51 carries for 250 yards last year? good for 4.90 ypc

also he can catch the ball pretty good

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You have your opinion. I differ. He is in a no time share situation which helps his situation compared to a lot of other guys.

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The funny thing is everyone is acting like he's a rookie and the Phins just drafted him to be their starter this year. That's not true at all. I'm not convinced he is the sole bellcow back, I really suspect that Daniel Thomas will share duties in an RBBC. Daniel Thomas is I believe only a year older than him, and was also drafted high to be "the man" himself.

Daniel Thomas? Eeww

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Still waiting for you to justify the contrary buddy..

I'm not doing your research for you

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I'm not doing your research for you

Thats kind of a faggy response if I have seen one. why not explain your logic? Or is there no logic to be had?

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Thats kind of a faggy response if I have seen one. why not explain your logic? Or is there no logic to be had?

Call me queer then. If the OP did any amount of research on him he probably wouldn't hold the same opinion.

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FYI Queer... I did enough research and that's why I have my opinion. You obviously can't even justify yours so just start your own thread where you can't wait to rub Lamar off..

 

On another note, it is interesting to see how many people agree with me. I was expecting a lot of rebuttals but apparently not.. I am staying away from Miller. His ADP is way too high.

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Beans is right. Miller is the kind of target you look for - lots of opportunity, little competition, up and coming team. The Fins let Bush walk after he put in two good years because of the confidence they have in Miller. Ideally you catch the rocket before its lit. For his ADP he's got great value right now - especially in dynasty.

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Beans is right. Miller is the kind of target you look for - lots of opportunity, little competition, up and coming team. The Fins let Bush walk after he put in two good years because of the confidence they have in Miller. Ideally you catch the rocket before its lit. For his ADP he's got great value right now - especially in dynasty.

 

He seems to be going in the 2nd round in my 12 team drafts. I think that's high but his ADP according to FFT is 3.05, so it's really not that far off (and if you really want him, you might need to take him in the 2nd or risk him not being there in the 3rd anyway).

 

Although I did state I thought Thomas would get some RBBC work, it's obviously Miller's job to lose and he still will probably get the lion's share of work. I understand why people are high on him. Now that I think about it, with the scarcity at RB he's a great pick.

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I see him routinely going anywhere from the late 2nd to mid 3rd in 14 team mocks and there is no way on earth I'm taking the unproven RB on a bad offense that early with a handful of WR1s and many good QBs on the board, not to mention 4-5 RBs who I expect to outperform him.

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Beans is right. Miller is the kind of target you look for - lots of opportunity, little competition, up and coming team. The Fins let Bush walk after he put in two good years because of the confidence they have in Miller. Ideally you catch the rocket before its lit. For his ADP he's got great value right now - especially in dynasty.

I agree that Miller has a nice ceiling because of all the carries he should receive. I just thought Beans could have added a little more Frank to the discussion.

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Being from Miami and a regular attendee at Dolphins practice, I can tell you with certainty, that barring injury, he is the bell cow RB. Thomas looks like sh!t and come week one he may not even be the backup RB. I'm not saying that Miller is the second coming of Barry Sanders, but he stands to get many opportunities. These opportunities will translate into points. They haven't changed the game plan much from Bush, so I really think that 45 catches is his floor. He's a lock for 250 rushes as well. I really think that in the third round it will be difficult to get a better value at RB.....

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Being from Miami and a regular attendee at Dolphins practice, I can tell you with certainty, that barring injury, he is the bell cow RB. Thomas looks like sh!t and come week one he may not even be the backup RB. I'm not saying that Miller is the second coming of Barry Sanders, but he stands to get many opportunities. These opportunities will translate into points. They haven't changed the game plan much from Bush, so I really think that 45 catches is his floor. He's a lock for 250 rushes as well. I really think that in the third round it will be difficult to get a better value at RB.....

Agree here.

 

Good size at 5'10", 215 or so. Great speed on an improving offense with no threat to take carries away. A lot to like here.

 

Can't argue against the unproven point, but that's why he is going in the 3rd and 4th(I haven't seen him go 2nd round in any draft at MFL yet) rounds instead of the 2nd.

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I knew it... what a bust this guy is going to be. So overrated...

 

http://www.fftoday.com/news/index.php?Item=7875&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

The writing is on the wall. 70/30 split at best. So if you take away his "bell-cow" role, why even bother? Round 5 pick? Sure... but where is going right now? Not worth it. I'm dropping hiim from my rank boards..

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I read some reports today, that he is going to cede third down carries to Daniel Thomas, in 3rd down passing situations. But, I guess he wouldn't lose too many stats to the those situations.

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Unless Miler underperforms, Thomas is there to spell Miller here and there.

 

And I don't buy this Thomas is the 3rd down guy, makes no sense. Miller is the superior 3rd down guy.

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Miller is right there with Ivory for me. Hes a warm body who might get the bulk of the carries wich is better than a guy that will get zero carries unless someone gets hurt. Miller is one of my emergency RB3 options if it gets to that point and its between him and guys that dont play. Hes right at the bottom of the draftable and startable rbs to me, wich I dont rank many so i need to take early. There are projects that I expect to sit on the bench but I need live bodies if they are to start. I always aim for 3 startable rbs and 2 projects.

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Thomas sucks. If Miller loses a ton of touched to Thomas it could only be because he is a bust in his own right. Put differently, I wouldn't worry about Thomas at all if you think Miller has the talent to succeed.

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I knew it... what a bust this guy is going to be. So overrated...

 

http://www.fftoday.com/news/index.php?Item=7875&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

The writing is on the wall. 70/30 split at best. So if you take away his "bell-cow" role, why even bother? Round 5 pick? Sure... but where is going right now? Not worth it. I'm dropping hiim from my rank boards..

 

Those were my initial suspicions as I posted above. Just not enough clarity to take him in the 2nd as I've seen him go or early in the 3rd which is his ADP. I think he's more in the 5th-7th round category, which is where the players with question marks should be going. Let someone else reach for him earlier.

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I'd take him, but i wouldn't be overly excited about it... in the mid 3rd round you can also get a pretty good WR or take a roll of the dice with McFadden or Murray... or wait a round later and roll the dice and hope ball is the man in denver... i guess the only upside of miller is you know what you'll get... a mediocre starting RB without an injury history

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I knew it... what a bust this guy is going to be. So overrated...

 

http://www.fftoday.com/news/index.php?Item=7875&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

The writing is on the wall. 70/30 split at best. So if you take away his "bell-cow" role, why even bother? Round 5 pick? Sure... but where is going right now? Not worth it. I'm dropping hiim from my rank boards..

I have Miller as my 13th RB this year. I'm not sure why a 70/30 split would be viewed as a bad thing; with a 60/40 split on basically this same team, Bush was able to put up 1300 total yards and 8 TDs to finish RB14 last year. I think Miller is more talented and capable than Bush and that he's going to wow some people this season.

 

And no, I don't own him in any leagues yet, but I will be targeting him.

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I think Ed Lacey is better the 1st fumble on 1st touch convinced me I was right. They won't stack the box with Rodgers... with Tannehill lol... Daniel Thomas is solid #2 for the team not fantasy and if Miller keeps coughing it up he might lose his spot.

 

I try not to draft mediocre offensive teams with good players high on my board. If u pass on Gore, Murray Im gonna laugh but not sure about Ivory due to injury history. The highest I'd draft him is 4th. I think he is overrated... Dolphins aren't a offensive juggernaut.

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I drafted him as an RB2/3 only because I went WR heavy in my first two picks and there was a huge run on RB's in the early rounds. I am playing either him or Bradshaw as my RB2.

 

I'm not sold on him Miller either. He had very little opportunity last year and hasn't showcased much early on in preseason. Wr's on the team are less than adequate (never been a fan of Wallace and their next best option is Hartline). They lost the best lineman and the QB is unproven. Like another poster stated; people aren't going to fear their QB. Only plus side to owning him is Thomas is a pretty poor back up and he should be receiving a majority of the touches in that offense.

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IMO: He's right there in the group of "sameness" in the 3rd-4th round of 99% of the 10 team mocks I've done.

Miller, Bell, Ball, Murray, DMC, Ivory, Wilson, etc..

 

Breaking it down: 3 injury prone, 3 rookies, (@least) 1 potential timeshare.

Most likely (for me anyway) they would be my #3 so I'm comfortable with any of them except Ivory.

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Haha... called it. What a POS. So happy I never drafted him anywhere.

 

I'm convinced the majority of vocal posters here absolutely suck at fantasy. They are always wrong but just ignore that they're always wrong and keep being wrong.

 

It's a good thing I tend to do all my fantasy drafts before checking this site.

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Miller gets hype Cuz he's the dolphins and Miami has a big bandwagon because they overpaid a bunch of free agents like ellerby who only was overrated Cuz he was on the ravens. U know how it is even if a player is decent if he's on a team that wins the Superbowl he gets overrated. I think the dolphins are the dream team 2.0. The eagles proved overpaying free agents Doesn't automatically make a team a contender

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