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A Texans win and Redskins loss gives the #1 pick to St. Louis to complete one of the greatest fleeces in NFL Draft history:

WAS Receives
2012 1st round, #2 Overall, RGIII

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STL Receives
2012 1st round, #6 Overall (traded to DAL), selected Michael Brockers, LSU, with Dallas pick at 14.
2012 2nd round, Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama
2013 1st round, #22 Overall (traded to ATL), selected Alec Ogletree, Georgia, with Atlanta pick at 30.
2014 1st round, either #1 or #2 Overall

Other trades made using Washington picks also netted the Rams RB Isaiah Pead, Cincinnati, in 2012 (2nd) and WR Stedman Bailey, West Virginia, in 2013 (3rd).

Amazing Rams haul. The Rams could deal it again because they will not be drafting a QB. They need a backup but that could be had on day 3. Immediate needs for STL include a RB, OL and DB.

 

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Sadly, the biggest fleece will almost certainly stay with Dallas at the expensive of Minnesota.

 

But the RG3 trade is shaping up to be near the top.

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Sadly, the biggest fleece will almost certainly stay with Dallas at the expensive of Minnesota.

 

But the RG3 trade is shaping up to be near the top.

 

St. Louis hasn't drafted anyone decent using those picks. Their only "win" would be to have a successful draft next year or do something in the place of a trade to get something for that pick.

 

I'd take RGIII over those guys. Brockers is ok but Olgetree and Jenkins are meh at best.

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St. Louis hasn't drafted anyone decent using those picks. Their only "win" would be to have a successful draft next year or do something in the place of a trade to get something for that pick.

 

I'd take RGIII over those guys. Brockers is ok but Olgetree and Jenkins are meh at best.

 

Agreed, so far... But in my opinion the biggest fleece of all time is what was called The Lawrence Welk trade. OLD school Packer fans may remember that trade which helped build an LA Rams powerhouse back in 1973, where the Pack received an aging John Hadl for a #1 and a #2 that season, and a #1 a #2 and a #3 the next. Hence the term, "Lawrence Welk" lol...

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Agreed, so far... But in my opinion the biggest fleece of all time is what was called The Lawrence Welk trade. OLD school Packer fans may remember that trade which helped build an LA Rams powerhouse back in 1973, where the Pack received an aging John Hadl for a #1 and a #2 that season, and a #1 a #2 and a #3 the next. Hence the term, "Lawrence Welk" lol...

 

The Hershel Walker trade or Elway to the Broncos have to be the biggest fleecings in NFL history....Babe Ruth to the Yankees for cash maybe the most lopsided of all time.

 

The RGIII trade will depend on how St. Louis uses this draft pick.

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you had me til you said immediate needs a RB???? and they wont draft a QB???? Imo this team is a QB away from being legit, and I dont think Bradford is the solution

Sammy B would be an awfully expensive bench warmer

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you had me til you said immediate needs a RB???? and they wont draft a QB???? Imo this team is a QB away from being legit, and I dont think Bradford is the solution

 

Bradford was the number one overall pick in 2010....St. Louis is going to burn ANOTHER number one overall pick on a QB. :overhead:

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Sadly, the biggest fleece will almost certainly stay with Dallas at the expensive of Minnesota.

 

 

This, and it's not close

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Bradford was the number one overall pick in 2010....St. Louis is going to burn ANOTHER number one overall pick on a QB. :overhead:

 

No way the Rams go QB early, not with Bradford's contract and status. Fisher has also said he'd like to see what Bradford can do given the tools to succeed, ie a functional offensive line. I think they go OL with that second overall pick and take HOF Bruce Matthew's son Jake out of Texas A&M. They will probably lose RT Saffold to FA and it will hedge their bets on Jake Long coming back from his knee injury. It's a MUST pick for the Rams. They could trade out of that spot, but undoubtedly ATL will take Matthews with their pick at number 6.

 

What's more, if the Rams lose today in Seattle they will get the #13 overall as well. They could reach for a Guard at that spot (maybe Cyril Richardson out of Baylor or David Yankey of Stanford), a reach assuredly, but guarantee a foundation in that offensive line. Especially since left guard has been a mess for them since training camp. Or they could trade down and hope either are still there later in Round 1. Richardson probably wouldn't last past the Cards at #25.

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No way the Rams go QB early, not with Bradford's contract and status. Fisher has also said he'd like to see what Bradford can do given the tools to succeed, ie a functional offensive line. I think they go OL with that second overall pick and take HOF Bruce Matthew's son Jake out of Texas A&M. They will probably lose RT Saffold to FA and it will hedge their bets on Jake Long coming back from his knee injury. It's a MUST pick for the Rams. They could trade out of that spot, but undoubtedly ATL will take Matthews with their pick at number 6.

 

What's more, if the Rams lose today in Seattle they will get the #13 overall as well. They could reach for a Guard at that spot (maybe Cyril Richardson out of Baylor or David Yankey of Stanford), a reach assuredly, but guarantee a foundation in that offensive line. Especially since left guard has been a mess for them since training camp. Or they could trade down and hope either are still there later in Round 1. Richardson probably wouldn't last past the Cards at #25.

 

They would be smart to trade down and grab OL depth later in the draft.

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I'd rather see them reach for OL than try and address other needs. A legit o line makes STL an immediate contender imo.

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If you think Zac Stacy is a legit NFL RB1 I would like to hear your reasoning. Their backups are dreadful. Isaiah Pead, Benny Cunningham and Daryl Richardson. Really? RB is an absolute need. There are no RB's that are 1st round worthy but grabbing Ka'Deem Carey in round 2 would be solid.

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It doesn't really matter if the players the Rams take with those picks workout for them or not but Brockers and Ogletree both look like good players down the road and we are going to get a good player this year. Considering how bad the Redskins are right now, not having those draft picks s is going to hurt the Redskins for several more years. They got fleeced big time.

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IIRC Stacey is averaging more yards after contact than Lynch. Similar to many of our current and former RB stand outs, Stacey came from nowhere to grab a stranglehold on the RB1 in STL which I feel will be an ascendent team next year. With no real threat of being overtaken by other rbs and underrated hands, Stacey presents great near and long term value imo.

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St. Louis hasn't drafted anyone decent using those picks. Their only "win" would be to have a successful draft next year or do something in the place of a trade to get something for that pick.

 

I'd take RGIII over those guys. Brockers is ok but Olgetree and Jenkins are meh at best.

Ogletree is "meh"? Obviously you haven't watched him. He is 2nd in the NFL in forced fumbles, has 117 tackles credited by the NFL (other websites give him many more) and he's only a 22 year old rookie playing his first full season at Linebacker. Those aren't "meh" numbers. The guy is a stud in waiting. His first half of the season was average. The 2nd half has been incredible.

 

Brockers has been "meh". He is strong at the point of attack, but hasn't learned to shed blockers yet. He should wind up being above average, but playing between Long and Quinn, you would think his numbers would be better than they are.

 

Jenkins had a Pro Bowl type rookie season. This year, well, he has sucked. Getting voted to the Pro Bowl as an alternate shows the stupidity of some NFL people. He is great at covering the #2 WR, but can't hold a WR1 in check. He will be a very good 2nd Corner, but he's just not polished (good?) enough to hang with the top guys. Anquan Boldin made him look like a high school kid. I don't think getting a 2nd cornerback with some ball skills is a bad pick for where he was taken.

 

Pead is a complete washout at RB. He is, however, a damn good special teams player. 2nd round is a VERY high pick for a special teams player though. lol He's been our top "gunner" for the last couple months though and appears to be set for that role in the future.

 

Stacey is a guy who is vastly underrated and in my opinion, very similar to MJD. Low to the ground, hard to tackle and has enough burst off the line to keep from getting hit in the backfield very often. He can't control how poorly the Rams offensive line has played.

 

In all, I think the Rams walk away from this deal looking pretty good. I wasn't sold on RGIII last season and still am not. His numbers this season came in garbage time. For fantasy purposes, that's fine. For an NFL team trying to win games, he looked like anything but a franchise QB this season. His padded stats when the game was already over made him look much better than he really is. If the Rams do anything with the 1.02 (I believe they will trade it), it's a very clear win for the Rams in this deal.

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I look for the Browns to trade picks with the Rams. The Rams could move back to 4 and still get Mathews, while the Browns leapfrog the Jags and grab the 2nd best qb. Who the 2nd best qb is, I have no idea.

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Please elaborate Timmy.

The Skins overpaid for a QB that appears to be flashy but average. The Rams appear to want to parlay every draft top pick for 5 lesser draft picks, which is great for building, but the NFL is built around superstars. Typical Jeff Fisher. He has never appeared to want any player to overshadow him.

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The Skins overpaid for a QB that appears to be flashy but average. The Rams appear to want to parlay every draft top pick for 5 lesser draft picks, which is great for building, but the NFL is built around superstars. Typical Jeff Fisher. He has never appeared to want any player to overshadow him.

 

Solid info. Rams do trade down most every chance they get. Their haul from Snyder was pretty well spent imo though.

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Solid info. Rams do trade down most every chance they get. Their haul from Snyder was pretty well spent imo though.

Not denying that they are building a solid team. Solid about sums it up.

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If you think Zac Stacy is a legit NFL RB1 I would like to hear your reasoning. Their backups are dreadful. Isaiah Pead, Benny Cunningham and Daryl Richardson. Really? RB is an absolute need. There are no RB's that are 1st round worthy but grabbing Ka'Deem Carey in round 2 would be solid.

I think their RB's are at least adequate.

 

noting that there dont appear to be any franchise RB's in this years draft, the smart move is to draft O-Linemen.

 

Even adequate RB's can perform well behind an excellent line.

 

I also identify WR as a position of need. They need a big, physical Receiver who can make those tough catches inside and leap for big catches on the outside.

 

whether they will be able to get that may be another matter, but I like Bradfords potential with these improvements on the horizon.

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The Skins overpaid for a QB that appears to be flashy but average. The Rams appear to want to parlay every draft top pick for 5 lesser draft picks, which is great for building, but the NFL is built around superstars. Typical Jeff Fisher. He has never appeared to want any player to overshadow him.

 

not to derail, but it's interesting to see this take. from the other side of the fence, many DAL fans are saying that 'superstars' are the problem, and that DAL should be making draft moves to maximize the lower-round haul.

 

the real danger i see for the rams is an embarrassment of riches. imagine that they draft a bunch of superstars--what does the salary cap look like when the initial rookie contracts expire? i suspect that the front office wants to avoid a cycle of boom and bust WRT the payroll. tricky situation to be in.

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The Skins overpaid for a QB that appears to be flashy but average. The Rams appear to want to parlay every draft top pick for 5 lesser draft picks, which is great for building, but the NFL is built around superstars. Typical Jeff Fisher. He has never appeared to want any player to overshadow him.

Fisher has a tendency to draft players he thinks he can "coach up". Sometimes it works, but not always. When TN had winning teams, it was done with a group of guys who played well as a unit, but not many superstars. George, McNair and Kearse were the only flashy guys and George was anything but a flashy runner. The main difference between the his successful TN teams and the Rams is in TN, he had an offensive line that was good from Tackle to Tackle. Their weakest Guard was still better than our best Tackle.

 

In reality, the Rams haven't done that much trading of their high first round picks. We done it only the one time. Drafting high has killed us in terms of the salary cap. Bradford, Long, Saffold.... The reason I believe we trade out of the 1.02 is for this very reason. We have almost no cap room, so drafting someone at the 1.02 seems almost impossible when we have another first rounder to sign later. It isn't so much their contract in year one as it is the fact that all the top ten rookies have their salaries fully guaranteed. We can't afford to guarantee another unproven player $22 million over the next four seasons.

 

An interesting offseason awaits us. If we keep Bradford, and he doesn't take a paycut, we will be releasing several other players just to make it under the salary cap. If we retain him, and he cuts his salary in half, we won't have to release players, but won't be able to sign anyone. If we let him walk, or release him, we can keep Saffold and get Quinn's extension done early. One of our Scouts was on ESPN radio and flatly stated the Rams have a choice to make soon. Quinn or Bradford. Quinn won't hold out next season, but you can bet your bottom dollar he will after another campaign like this. Due to all of our former high draft choices, we have no cap space. It will be one or the other. Nobody in their right mind would let Quinn walk, so we shall see what happens. Bradford looks ok on tv, but when you go to the games and see him play live, it's a very different story. He looks scared in the pocket and his passes are not tight spirals. They are more limp wristed throws and aren't always on target. Prior to his injury, I believe he was the 6th highest ranked QB in the NFL in passer efficiency, and his WR's dropped as many passes as they caught. That said, this franchise will live and die based on how he turns out.

 

In terms of the trade with Washington; The Rams won in the draft pick war. That's it though. We obtained more picks. Big deal. We haven't turned those picks into enough to make this a landscape changing trade. If the aforementioned players go on to become Hall of Famers, then we did great. If they are "meh" players and end up just being solid players, we didn't "win" anything. Solid players are usually just good enough to win you 8 or 9 games. That's not enough to make you a winner in any trade.

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not to derail, but it's interesting to see this take. from the other side of the fence, many DAL fans are saying that 'superstars' are the problem, and that DAL should be making draft moves to maximize the lower-round haul.

Can you imagine the Cowboys WITHOUT Ware and Bryant? It seemed to me that Fisher could not get rid of Kearse fast enough, but when you look at the Titans record before and after, it was remarkable. A superstar brings a lot to the table. More than just their play.

 

My take at the time was the Rams should have moved Bradford and drafted Griffin. Not a Fisher move at all, but one that could have created a spark. One more year of 7-9 and Fisher will be on the hot seat.

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Fisher has a tendency to draft players he thinks he can "coach up". Sometimes it works, but not always. When TN had winning teams, it was done with a group of guys who played well as a unit, but not many superstars. George, McNair and Kearse were the only flashy guys and George was anything but a flashy runner. The main difference between the his successful TN teams and the Rams is in TN, he had an offensive line that was good from Tackle to Tackle. Their weakest Guard was still better than our best Tackle.

 

In reality, the Rams haven't done that much trading of their high first round picks. We done it only the one time. Drafting high has killed us in terms of the salary cap. Bradford, Long, Saffold.... The reason I believe we trade out of the 1.02 is for this very reason. We have almost no cap room, so drafting someone at the 1.02 seems almost impossible when we have another first rounder to sign later. It isn't so much their contract in year one as it is the fact that all the top ten rookies have their salaries fully guaranteed. We can't afford to guarantee another unproven player $22 million over the next four seasons.

 

An interesting offseason awaits us. If we keep Bradford, and he doesn't take a paycut, we will be releasing several other players just to make it under the salary cap. If we retain him, and he cuts his salary in half, we won't have to release players, but won't be able to sign anyone. If we let him walk, or release him, we can keep Saffold and get Quinn's extension done early. One of our Scouts was on ESPN radio and flatly stated the Rams have a choice to make soon. Quinn or Bradford. Quinn won't hold out next season, but you can bet your bottom dollar he will after another campaign like this. Due to all of our former high draft choices, we have no cap space. It will be one or the other. Nobody in their right mind would let Quinn walk, so we shall see what happens. Bradford looks ok on tv, but when you go to the games and see him play live, it's a very different story. He looks scared in the pocket and his passes are not tight spirals. They are more limp wristed throws and aren't always on target. Prior to his injury, I believe he was the 6th highest ranked QB in the NFL in passer efficiency, and his WR's dropped as many passes as they caught. That said, this franchise will live and die based on how he turns out.

 

In terms of the trade with Washington; The Rams won in the draft pick war. That's it though. We obtained more picks. Big deal. We haven't turned those picks into enough to make this a landscape changing trade. If the aforementioned players go on to become Hall of Famers, then we did great. If they are "meh" players and end up just being solid players, we didn't "win" anything. Solid players are usually just good enough to win you 8 or 9 games. That's not enough to make you a winner in any trade.

Well, the Rams O line hasnt been great. it is possible that Bradford may have been ruined by playing behind a poor line for too long. it does happen.... and I have often wondered why teams will spend big money and high draft picks on a QB or a stud RB and then not go get some O linemen to protect their investment.

 

very puzzling.

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Fisher has a tendency to draft players he thinks he can "coach up". Sometimes it works, but not always. When TN had winning teams, it was done with a group of guys who played well as a unit, but not many superstars. George, McNair and Kearse were the only flashy guys and George was anything but a flashy runner. The main difference between the his successful TN teams and the Rams is in TN, he had an offensive line that was good from Tackle to Tackle. Their weakest Guard was still better than our best Tackle.

 

In reality, the Rams haven't done that much trading of their high first round picks. We done it only the one time. Drafting high has killed us in terms of the salary cap. Bradford, Long, Saffold.... The reason I believe we trade out of the 1.02 is for this very reason. We have almost no cap room, so drafting someone at the 1.02 seems almost impossible when we have another first rounder to sign later. It isn't so much their contract in year one as it is the fact that all the top ten rookies have their salaries fully guaranteed. We can't afford to guarantee another unproven player $22 million over the next four seasons.

 

An interesting offseason awaits us. If we keep Bradford, and he doesn't take a paycut, we will be releasing several other players just to make it under the salary cap. If we retain him, and he cuts his salary in half, we won't have to release players, but won't be able to sign anyone. If we let him walk, or release him, we can keep Saffold and get Quinn's extension done early. One of our Scouts was on ESPN radio and flatly stated the Rams have a choice to make soon. Quinn or Bradford. Quinn won't hold out next season, but you can bet your bottom dollar he will after another campaign like this. Due to all of our former high draft choices, we have no cap space. It will be one or the other. Nobody in their right mind would let Quinn walk, so we shall see what happens. Bradford looks ok on tv, but when you go to the games and see him play live, it's a very different story. He looks scared in the pocket and his passes are not tight spirals. They are more limp wristed throws and aren't always on target. Prior to his injury, I believe he was the 6th highest ranked QB in the NFL in passer efficiency, and his WR's dropped as many passes as they caught. That said, this franchise will live and die based on how he turns out.

 

In terms of the trade with Washington; The Rams won in the draft pick war. That's it though. We obtained more picks. Big deal. We haven't turned those picks into enough to make this a landscape changing trade. If the aforementioned players go on to become Hall of Famers, then we did great. If they are "meh" players and end up just being solid players, we didn't "win" anything. Solid players are usually just good enough to win you 8 or 9 games. That's not enough to make you a winner in any trade.

 

The question I would put to Rams followers would be what of the WR corps? I've seen mocks pointing to WR if the Rams stay put at #2. But is Sammy Watkins that much of an improvement over what you have? St. Louis has already spent four picks over the last 2 years on WR's, and they all seem to run about six feet 200 lbs with good speed, just like Watkins. The exception is Brian Quick at 6-4 220, the 33rd overall in 2012, but his drive has been in question. If Watkins can be the legit weapon they're seeking for Bradford, they can pull the trigger there are #2 and go OT at #13, with probably Greg Robinson of Auburn the best fit. Not an expert, but your TE leading the team with 51 catches does not bode well for the WR corps lol... Of course the injury to Bradford and Clemens' shortcomings undoubtedly contributed.

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Perhaps. time will reveal that is was the Rams that actually got fleeced. RG3 was injured this season, and Shanahan and him was a bad mix. With a year to truly heal, RG3 may well be the steal of next years fantasy draft.

 

Not to mention.....Rams still have no QB.

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Fisher has a tendency to draft players he thinks he can "coach up". Sometimes it works, but not always. When TN had winning teams, it was done with a group of guys who played well as a unit, but not many superstars. George, McNair and Kearse were the only flashy guys and George was anything but a flashy runner. The main difference between the his successful TN teams and the Rams is in TN, he had an offensive line that was good from Tackle to Tackle. Their weakest Guard was still better than our best Tackle.

 

In reality, the Rams haven't done that much trading of their high first round picks. We done it only the one time. Drafting high has killed us in terms of the salary cap. Bradford, Long, Saffold.... The reason I believe we trade out of the 1.02 is for this very reason. We have almost no cap room, so drafting someone at the 1.02 seems almost impossible when we have another first rounder to sign later. It isn't so much their contract in year one as it is the fact that all the top ten rookies have their salaries fully guaranteed. We can't afford to guarantee another unproven player $22 million over the next four seasons.

 

An interesting offseason awaits us. If we keep Bradford, and he doesn't take a paycut, we will be releasing several other players just to make it under the salary cap. If we retain him, and he cuts his salary in half, we won't have to release players, but won't be able to sign anyone. If we let him walk, or release him, we can keep Saffold and get Quinn's extension done early. One of our Scouts was on ESPN radio and flatly stated the Rams have a choice to make soon. Quinn or Bradford. Quinn won't hold out next season, but you can bet your bottom dollar he will after another campaign like this. Due to all of our former high draft choices, we have no cap space. It will be one or the other. Nobody in their right mind would let Quinn walk, so we shall see what happens. Bradford looks ok on tv, but when you go to the games and see him play live, it's a very different story. He looks scared in the pocket and his passes are not tight spirals. They are more limp wristed throws and aren't always on target. Prior to his injury, I believe he was the 6th highest ranked QB in the NFL in passer efficiency, and his WR's dropped as many passes as they caught. That said, this franchise will live and die based on how he turns out.

 

In terms of the trade with Washington; The Rams won in the draft pick war. That's it though. We obtained more picks. Big deal. We haven't turned those picks into enough to make this a landscape changing trade. If the aforementioned players go on to become Hall of Famers, then we did great. If they are "meh" players and end up just being solid players, we didn't "win" anything. Solid players are usually just good enough to win you 8 or 9 games. That's not enough to make you a winner in any trade.

 

Thanks for the well, thought-out reply. I'm not going to bash any of it but I will say that I think both teams came out ok after this deal. Honestly, no one team killed the other team on this deal....at least not yet.

 

I think RGIII is a half-dollar and the haul for the Rams is a pile of dimes. The Redskins have already seen immediate pay off with a playoff appearance largely due to RGIII. The Rams are still in rebuilding mode but may breakout next season. RGIII was doing great this season in spite of a poor OC and an inept head coach.

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RgIII led the Skins to the NFC east title and playoffs his rookie year. Then blew his knee out and typically struggled coming off an 8 month injury.

 

How is RGIII a bad move?

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RgIII led the Skins to the NFC east title and playoffs his rookie year. Then blew his knee out and typically struggled coming off an 8 month injury.

 

How is RGIII a bad move?

 

The only thing that hurt RGIII were his coaches.

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The only thing that hurt RGIII were his coaches.

 

I think, at best, the jury is still out on RGIII. He's shown incredible raw talent... and incredibly bad decision making.Question is... Which year is the aberration?

 

It will be a while before the trade can be called as a "win" for either side.

 

As a Rams fan... I must say that I'm excited about the next couple seasons. I would like to see them trade out of the 2nd pick again this season. I think Bradford is a competent QB that can win (or should I say "not lose") them a Superbowl if given the chance... Ala Trent Dilfer.

 

Unfortunately... they're getting good at the same time as every other team in the division. DOH!

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They need to take a QB with this pick, and hope it pans out. Right now RG3 is the best player of all those draft selections.

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The only thing that hurt RGIII were his coaches.

 

Tell that to the big knee brace he dragged around his entire sophomore season. He missed an offseason amd wasn't 100% all year and it showed.

 

As a skins homer, the Defense killed the team all year. To start the season the Skins weren't competitive in the first half on many occasions and the offense ran to adjust rather than to plan. That didn't help RG3 all year.

 

Honestly I'd have kept Shanny and fired the entire defensive coaching staff mid season.

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