Situation in Ferguson, MO

[Reality 3,121]

So does prejudging every cop shooting a black man the last several years.

Well, there's that...

[NorthernVike 2,087]

Seems kinda rude and disrespectful, no?

You earn respect. He has failed to do that.

[drobeski 3,061]

So does prejudging every cop shooting a black man the last several years.

pow

[Vikings4ever 556]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ferguson-police-radio-calls-surface-from-michael-brown-shooting/

At 11:53 a.m., a dispatcher reported a "stealing in progress" at the Ferguson Market and a brief description of the suspect, who was believed to have taken a packet of cigars. Officers were told to look for a black male wearing a white T-shirt, running toward the QuikTrip convenience store. Additional information was soon added: the man was wearing a red Cardinals hat, khaki shorts and yellow socks; a second man was with him.

At noon, Wilson asked the officers searching for the robbery suspects if they needed assistance. An officer responded that the men had disappeared.

Two minutes later, at 12:02 p.m. Wilson radioed in, "Put me on Canfield with two. And send me another car," a request for additional officers.

Sources have told the newspaper that prior to making that call, Wilson claimed he told Brown and his friend Dorian Johnson to stop walking in the street. Wilson said it was after that that he recognized that Brown matched the robbery suspect's description, called for backup and stopped his SUV next to the two men.

[kilroy69 1,251]

Ferguson is going to burn. Its going to be like the L.A. riots and just like in those riots the people that will be harmed the most are those shops that serve the black community there.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ferguson-police-radio-calls-surface-from-michael-brown-shooting/

 

That's a lot of stuff that supposedly went down in two minutes. Not unusual for the timeline to seem very short in these situations - either because they unfold much quicker then you'd expect or because folks are adding in events to justify their actions, kinda hard to say which

[paulinstl 296]

That's a lot of stuff that supposedly went down in two minutes. Not unusual for the timeline to seem very short in these situations - either because they unfold much quicker then you'd expect or because folks are adding in events to justify their actions, kinda hard to say which

 

This timeline just came out today. It's the dispatcher's time:

 

At 11:29 a.m. on Aug. 9, a dispatcher asked Wilson to help other officers search for a man who had reportedly threatened to kill a woman. At 11:47 a.m., Wilson said he would respond to a call for a 2-month-old with breathing problems. Wilson drove his police SUV from the west side of West Florissant Avenue to Glenark Drive, east of Canfield Drive and Copper Creek Court, where the fatal encounter would soon occur.

 

At 11:53 a.m., a dispatcher reported a "stealing in progress" at the Ferguson Market. The 911 operator was still talking to the caller in the background. In a second broadcast, 19 seconds later, the dispatcher says the suspect is a black male in a white T-shirt running toward QuikTrip, and had stolen a box of Swisher cigars.

 

About four minutes later, there's more detail: the suspect is wearing a red Cardinals hat, a white T-shirt, yellow socks and khaki shorts, and is accompanied by another man.

 

At noon, Wilson reports that he’s back in service from the sick-baby call. He then asks the officers searching for the thieves -- units 25 and 22 -- if they need him. Seven seconds later, an unidentified officer broadcasts that the suspects had disappeared.

 

At 12:02 p.m., Wilson says, "21. Put me on Canfield with two. And send me another car." His call triggered at least two officers to head his way, including one who said he was close to Wilson.

 

Sources have told the Post-Dispatch that Wilson has told authorities that before the radio call he had stopped to tell Brown and his friend, Dorian Johnson, 22, to quit walking down the middle of the street. They kept walking, and he then realized that Brown matched the description of the suspect in the stealing call.

 

Wilson then asked dispatch for backup and backed up his SUV next to Brown and Johnson.

 

Wilson said Brown attacked him, sources said, and that they struggled over the officer's gun before Wilson was able to fire twice, hitting Brown once. Brown ran away.

 

Wilson has told authorities that he called, "Shots fired, send all cars," on his radio, but during the struggle his radio had been jarred and the channel changed.

 

The Post-Dispatch reviewed radio calls made during that period on all St. Louis County police channels, the fire channel used by Ferguson and other channels publicly archived online and could not locate the call. At least one channel on the Ferguson police radio is "receive-only," meaning that the call may not have been broadcast.

 

After the call, Wilson pursued Brown on foot.

 

According to sources, Wilson has said that Brown turned and charged, and that Wilson then fired once, paused when Brown appeared to flinch and fired again, multiple times. He said he then radioed for an ambulance.

 

Witnesses' accounts vary widely. Most saw only part of the encounter. Johnson said that Wilson grabbed Brown by the throat, and, later, tried to pull him into the SUV. Johnson also said that Wilson's fatal shot came after Brown turned around and was getting to the ground with his hands in the air.

 

Other witnesses have said that Brown stood still or walked, staggered, stumbled or fell toward Wilson before he was killed. Some witnesses said Brown's hands were up; others said they were not.

 

HELP ARRIVES

Forty-one seconds after Wilson's call, unit 25 reported that he was about to arrive at Wilson's location, saying he was "going out on Canfield" and accompanied by the sound of his racing engine.

 

Forty-eight seconds later, another officer had arrived or was about to, announcing, "22's out."

At 12:03 p.m., an eyewitness to the shooting Tweeted: "I just saw someone die! OMFG."

 

If his smartphone's clock, or Twitter's, agreed with the clock on dispatch records, Brown was killed less than 61 seconds after the dispatcher acknowledged that Wilson had stopped two men.

 

At one minute, 13 seconds after Wilson's call, an unidentified officer has arrived and asks, “Where's the other one?” referring to Johnson.

 

Eleven seconds later, there's a brief burst of static and an unintelligible bit of speech. A dispatcher responds, “10-4 on Canfield.”

 

Twenty seconds later, unit 25 called in to ask if the dispatcher could send a supervisor to Canfield and Copper Creek Court.

 

At 12:05, a dispatcher called for an ambulance, erroneously reporting that someone had been hit with a Taser.

 

By 12:07 p.m., a woman wailed in the background as an officer called over his radio: “Get us several more units over here. There's gonna be a problem.”

 

 

http://www.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/special/darren-wilson-s-radio-calls-show-fatal-encounter-was-brief/html_79c17aed-0dbe-514d-ba32-bad908056790.html

[RLLD 4,254]

I am not hoping for more riots, but I will tune in to it a bit. It's fun watching idiots burn and loot their own community, I get a good chuckle out of these retards.

[bandrus1 413]

Bigger issues stemming from all this

 

A) suspension of rights to protest

b)personal property being invaded without warrants

c) suppression of media and false detainment

D) implementation of a no fly zone in the area to restrict media coverage

 

The longer and more often we allow those things to happen the more we all lose our rights

[MDC 7,493]

I am not hoping for more riots.

You could've fooled me!

[kilroy69 1,251]

I am not hoping for more riots, but I will tune in to it a bit. It's fun watching idiots burn and loot their own community, I get a good chuckle out of these retards.

well they cant do it to someone elses community. It would be a slaughter if they attempted to riot in a town that actually gave a shitt.

[ZeroTolerance 584]

well they cant do it to someone elses community. It would be a slaughter if they attempted to riot in a town that actually gave a shitt.

A shame that most of the people who will be doing the damage will be fools coming from the outside (like most of the protestors). Sucks for people who live there and don't want their neighborhood to get f*cked up.

[RLLD 4,254]

A shame that most of the people who will be doing the damage will be fools coming from the outside (like most of the protestors). Sucks for people who live there and don't want their neighborhood to get f*cked up.

 

There is a simple solution, crucify the cop, regardless of any factual evidence, the is really all that is needed; meanwhile, how many young black men have been murdered since this one? Where are the riots and outrage?

[BunnysBastatrds 2,455]

Pathetic that the governor won't help those who live there. If there was ever a reason to send in the National Guard, this one.

[kilroy69 1,251]

Pathetic that the governor won't help those who live there. If there was ever a reason to send in the National Guard, this one.

he has them on alert to go in as soon as the animals start to riot.

[Voltaire 5,317]

I was in the Michigan National Guard during the Budzyn and Nevers trial. This was just a few months after Rodney King.

 

Basically we a black crackhead criminal dies while being apprehended by two highly decorated white cops. Personally, I wanted the cops to go free even thoughI knew it would have meant a sh*tstorm for me.

 

Anyways we were given riot patrol training. As it turned out both the cops were convinced by nearly all black juries. No riots, I never got the call.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,455]

I was in the Michigan National Guard during the Budzyn and Nevers trial. This was just a few months after Rodney King.

 

Basically we a black crackhead criminal dies while being apprehended by two highly decorated white cops. Personally, I wanted the cops to go free even thoughI knew it would have meant a sh*tstorm for me.

 

Anyways we were given riot patrol training. As it turned out both the cops were convinced by nearly all black juries. No riots, I never got the call.

That's nothing compared to Katrina call. Had friends come home from Iraq that wished they could go back to Iraq than stay in Nawlins for the BS they endured here.

[Voltaire 5,317]

That's nothing compared to Katrina call. Had friends come home from Iraq that wished they could go back to Iraq than stay in Nawlins for the BS they endured here.

No doubt it was nothing. For me -anyways. (Much like the Iraq war I experienced in comparison to the one your friends did too). The Detroit city government made sure of it.

 

The cops involved got railroaded by the mayor and his crony police chief. Both Coleman Young and his police chief wanted convictions before the trial started. The chief refused to even meet with his accused officers and put not just them but the backups that responded to them on unpaid leave.

 

Later, the first movie the nearly all black juries were given to watch while sequestered was 'Malcolm X' where the Rodney King beating and LA riots featured prominently.

 

The cops got convicted and the whole thing died down.

 

That's the response the protesters in Ferguson want. Fortunately for Darren Wilson, Ferguson isn't a city controlled by Coleman Young 2.0.

[MDC 7,493]

Either the cop is innocent or the trial is a shame - glad you guys are approaching this case with an open mind.

[Cloaca du jour 2,151]

Just convict the cop, and let him go free a week later. They will forget who he was after a week of binge drinking and crack smoking

[Voltaire 5,317]

Either the cop is innocent or the trial is a shame - glad you guys are approaching this case with an open mind.

In fairness, in every instance that I've come across in a high profile case where a white cop has been accused of violating a black suspect's rights, I've always taken the side of the cop.

 

But that doesn't have to be the case always. The evidence that's been leaked corroborates the cop's version of the story. Still, the trial hasn't started yet so if I see conflicting evidence presented, I'm always willing to change my mind.

[kilroy69 1,251]

In fairness, in every instance that I've come across in a high profile case where a white cop has been accused of violating a black suspect's rights, I've always taken the side of the cop.

 

But that doesn't have to be the case always. The evidence that's been leaked corroborates the cop's version of the story. Still, the trial hasn't started yet so if I see conflicting evidence presented, I'm always willing to change my mind.

there won't be a trial.

[Voltaire 5,317]

there won't be a trial.

The case is already in front of a grand jury right now.

[Voltaire 5,317]

The case is already in front of a grand jury right now.

Hmmmm.... I've read more into this -actually I've no idea WTF a grand jury does and what point it serves.

[kilroy69 1,251]

Hmmmm.... I've read more into this -actually I've no idea WTF a grand jury does and what point it serves.

If I am not mistaken the grand jury decides if charges will be brought. Its like a pre trial where evidence is heard and it is then that the grand jury decides if that evidence is enough to even move on to a jury trial.

[Voltaire 5,317]

If I am not mistaken the grand jury decides if charges will be brought. Its like a pre trial where evidence is heard and it is then that the grand jury decides if that evidence is enough to even move on to a jury trial.

It seems ridiculous. I think the purpose of a grand jury is to slow down the already slow legal system so the lawyers can make more money.

[kilroy69 1,251]

It seems ridiculous. I think the purpose of a grand jury is to slow down the already slow legal system so the lawyers can make more money.

That can be debated for sure. However there are leaked reports that suggest they are not going to charge him. Its hard to prove probable cause and the feds are not going to charge him with a civil rights violation because its even harder to prove. In order to prove that you have to show he intended to violate browns civil rights before the shooting. With the gsr on browns hands and the fact that wilson was responding to a call that is not something the feds will be able to do.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

If I am not mistaken the grand jury decides if charges will be brought. Its like a pre trial where evidence is heard and it is then that the grand jury decides if that evidence is enough to even move on to a jury trial.

It's not a pretrial. They really only hear one side for the most part (the prosecution's). And the proceedings are pretty loose and informal. It's mainly just a check against bringing prosecutions that should not have been brought. Sometimes they serve an investigative purpose as well but not as much as they used to.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Lots of drama with the black folk. Just sayin.

[kilroy69 1,251]

"Rioting and looting are the tools of those without a voice. The rioting and looting, while I didnt participate in it, was necessary. Without it we would not be standing here today," This is an actual quote from some dumb motherfocker who thinks its ok to riot and loot if they dont get their way. Personally if I owned a shop in ferguson I would board up,lock down and wait with a streetsweeper and 10 boxes of ammo. I would then kill every last person who tried to enter my store without my permission.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,455]

"Rioting and looting are the tools of those without a voice. The rioting and looting, while I didnt participate in it, was necessary. Without it we would not be standing here today," This is an actual quote from some dumb motherfocker who thinks its ok to riot and loot if they dont get their way. Personally if I owned a shop in ferguson I would board up,lock down and wait with a streetsweeper and 10 boxes of ammo. I would then kill every last person who tried to enter my store without my permission.

This. During civil unrest it's justifiable to protect your person and property by any means necessary. Don't tell that to CNN though.

[MDC 7,493]

In fairness, in every instance that I've come across in a high profile case where a white cop has been accused of violating a black suspect's rights, I've always taken the side of the cop.

 

This is exactly the attitude that allows cops to behave like animals without any consequences.

[drobeski 3,061]

This is exactly the attitude that allows cops to behave like animals without any consequences.

fake white guilt and fake outrage.

A fake sammich.

[MDC 7,493]

fake white guilt and fake outrage.

A fake sammich.

RMFF according to your own rules, I knew you wouldn't be able to stop you hypocritical fat slob.

[drobeski 3,061]

Will it be too cold to riot ?

[crackattack 520]

Will it be too cold to riot ?

Nope.

[drobeski 3,061]

RMFF according to your own rules, I knew you wouldn't be able to stop you hypocritical fat slob.

fake, like the eagles championship hopes

[MDC 7,493]

fake, like the eagles championship hopes

I will go back to ignoring you now and laughing when you beg for my attention as usual.

 

RMFF x infinity.

[drobeski 3,061]

Has team Obama laid out the fake outage schedule yet ?

[Voltaire 5,317]

Will it be too cold to riot ?

They may not bother since all the sh*t worth stealing is already long gone by now. Then again, there may still be shops, restaurants and doctors' clinics in the community that haven't given up hope and closed down yet, it may be worthwhile to burn those places down.