Situation in Ferguson, MO

[KSB2424 3,148]

Lets just be real here. A dude just robbed store punking some old man, is walking down the middle of a street (who the fock does that anyway?), and when approached by an officer to get off the street ends up getting in a physical confrontation and is going for a cops gun.

 

Is that the type of dude who is an angel and was mowed down by some racist cop as he held his hands up saying "please don't shoot Mr.Officer Man!@#"

 

I mean really folks, put on your common sense hats.

[paulinstl 296]

 

Agreed.

 

This new evidence is on par and lends itself to the Cops version of events. That matters, as evidence is corroborating the officers story.

 

Officer Wilson stated he was attacked, the guy went after his gun, there was a sturggle, and that Michael Brown after running away turned back again at him.

 

 

The more evidence comes in, the more and more the version of events that the Officer stated are true. This is important when trying to peice together a potential crime. I'm sorry if that upsets you.

 

 

Have you read any of my posts? I agree with all of that except that it has not yet been proven that Brown advanced on Wilson. I am on the cop's side. All I've been trying to do in this thread is point out factual errors and shoot down erroneous theories.

 

Here is what I have said so far:

 

1. There are conflicting eyewitness reports as to whether Brown was advancing on officer Wilson or not.

 

2. If he was, the shooting is legal.

 

3. Brown was a thug who committed robbery and assaulted a cop that day.

 

4. The only thing a grand jury will take into consideration is whether Wilson faced a deadly threat at the moment he fatally shot Brown, not what happened at the car.

 

Do you want to tyr to refute any of this? Go ahead and waste both of our time.

[paulinstl 296]

Yep, your full court press on a public message board is agendaless. One side has a unified story from several sources, the other does not. The attack on an officer 5 seconds prior to Brown's death means nothing. Why not show some integrity and admit that your are on Brown's side here?

 

I come from a family of cops. I am in no way on Brown's side of this. I am also not on the side of a bunch people whom keep spewing out wrong info.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

I come from a family of cops. I am in no way on Brown's side of this. I am also not on the side of a bunch people whom keep spewing out wrong info.

you're referring to those starting and inciting the protests and riots with the second sentence I hope.

[KSB2424 3,148]

 

 

 

4. The only thing a grand jury will take into consideration is whether Wilson faced a deadly threat at the moment he fatally shot Brown, not what happened at the car.

 

 

I will refute number 4 because what happened in the car just 30 seconds earleir directly influences if the officer felt threatened. It does matter and should be taken into consideration.

 

Obviously if it is proven M.Brown was running away, the car struggle means little, but if M.Brown was advancing towards the officer in any way, CONSIDERING ALL THAT JUST HAPPENED, then a grand jury will rightfully justify the shooting.

[paulinstl 296]

There were early reports that Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket during the fight for his gun. There's a link a few pages back.

 

 

I can't believe you really made me do this.

 

Wilson drove himself to the police station and was taken to the hospital by other officers. Wilson said he had bruises on the left and right sides of his face and scratches on his neck, the source said. He had no broken bones.

 

 

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/source-darren-wilson-says-michael-brown-kept-charging-at-him/article_d2cf8b20-c517-592b-96ba-77d8a5f46fef.html

 

 

That fact was proven wrong as early as two weeks after the shooting. Thanks for playing.

[paulinstl 296]

 

I will refute number 4 because what happened in the car just 30 seconds earleir directly influences if the officer felt threatened. It does matter and should be taken into consideration.

 

Obviously if it is proven M.Brown was running away, the car struggle means little, but if M.Brown was advancing towards the officer in any way, CONSIDERING ALL THAT JUST HAPPENED, then a grand jury will rightfully justify the shooting.

 

Right, like I said if Brown was advancing the shooting was justifiable because he posed a threat..

[MDC 7,493]

Lets just be real here. A dude just robbed store punking some old man, is walking down the middle of a street (who the fock does that anyway?), and when approached by an officer to get off the street ends up getting in a physical confrontation and is going for a cops gun.

 

Is that the type of dude who is an angel and was mowed down by some racist cop as he held his hands up saying "please don't shoot Mr.Officer Man!@#"

 

I mean really folks, put on your common sense hats.

 

I can buy that the cop told Wilson to get out of the street and Wilson told him to go F himself. What I have a really hard time believing is that Wilson then went for the gun, which would be holstered on the right and across the cop's body and through the window. That makes very little sense to me. Eyewitness testimony that the cop grabbed Wilson by the neck through the window and then drew his weapon during the ensuing scuffle makes some sense to me.

 

I also have a very hard time believing that a guy who's just taken a bullet less than a minute earlier would first run, then change his mind and charge at the cop who just shot him. Then again, I've never been full of PCP. Or black.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

I can buy that the cop told Wilson to get out of the street and Wilson told him to go F himself. What I have a really hard time believing is that Wilson then went for the gun, which would be holstered on the right and across the cop's body and through the window. That makes very little sense to me. Eyewitness testimony that the cop grabbed Wilson by the neck through the window and then drew his weapon during the ensuing scuffle makes some sense to me.

 

I also have a very hard time believing that a guy who's just taken a bullet less than a minute earlier would first run, then change his mind and charge at the cop who just shot him. Then again, I've never been full of PCP. Or black.

no you're a white guilt ridden retarded moonbat who's been fully indoctrinated into your sad and pathetic predispositions.

 

Because why would a gentle giant who's just assaulted a tiny ederly store clerk ever consider assaulting an officer of the law.

[MDC 7,493]

no you're a white guilt ridden retarded moonbat who's been fully indoctrinated into your sad and pathetic predispositions.

 

As usual the dumbest member of the forearm responds with toddler names when his trite opinions get challenged.

 

No wonder you flunked out of college, dummy.

[KSB2424 3,148]

 

Right, like I said if Brown was advancing the shooting was justifiable because he posed a threat..

 

The part you keep ignoring though is that proving if Brown was advancing may be difficult as it is the cops story versus his friends story and other eyewitness events that are conflicting.

 

So this evidence is big as it is corroborating the Officers version of events. As has most all the other evidence that has come out. Each new evidence is lining up with just how Officer Wilson said it went down. So when making decisions on whether to proscecute this matters.

 

Like I said if everything else the officer says happened, is proven to be so by evidence, then the last thing (Brown Advancing) will be assumed true as well. As it should be. He hasn't lied yet.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

 

I can buy that the cop told Wilson to get out of the street and Wilson told him to go F himself. What I have a really hard time believing is that Wilson then went for the gun, which would be holstered on the right and across the cop's body and through the window. That makes very little sense to me. Eyewitness testimony that the cop grabbed Wilson by the neck through the window and then drew his weapon during the ensuing scuffle makes some sense to me.

 

I also have a very hard time believing that a guy who's just taken a bullet less than a minute earlier would first run, then change his mind and charge at the cop who just shot him. Then again, I've never been full of PCP. Or black.

Has there been a toxicology report made public yet? Because I've said before this guy's behavior seemed so erratic that drugs (real drugs, not pot) were likely involved, which would then explain why he might decide to bull rush a cop who had already shot him.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,454]

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/10/22/new-information-released-on-michael-brown-case/

 

 

FERGUSON, Mo. (KMOX) – A report by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch this morning shows the official autopsy supports Ferguson officer Darren Wilson’s claim that Michael Brown struggled with him in his patrol vehicle, and that Brown did not have his hands up when he was shot Aug. 9.

A source tells the Post-Dispatch that Wilson testified to the Grand Jury that when he tried to get out of his SUV to talk to Brown and his friend Dorian Johnson about the theft of cigarillos, Brown slammed the door shut and punched him in the face.

Wilson pulled his weapon, and Brown grabbed it. At one point, the barrel was pointed at Wilson’s hip, then a shot was fired hitting Brown’s hand.

Wilson says he then chased Brown, who turned and ran toward him. Wilson said “stop,” then fired. Brown kept coming, so Wilson fired several more shots.

The Post-Dispatch also had three experts examine the official autopsy.

St. Louis medical examiner Dr. Michael Graham says the report supports claims that there was a “significant struggle” in Wilson’s patrol car, and Brown suffered a hand wound at “relatively short range.”

A forensic pathologist from San Francisco, Dr. Judy Melinek, says based on a bullet wound to Brown’s arm, Brown’s palms could not have been facing Wilson in the standard surrender position – with hands up and palms out – when he was shot, and Brown was falling forward or lunging when he was hit by the fatal shot to the top of his head.

Based on toxicology tests, Ohio State University College of Pharmacy consultant Alfred Staubus concludes Brown had used marijuana within a few hours of his death, but it is not clear if he was impaired at the time.

The Post-Dispatch says Brown’s family attorney calls Wilson’s account “absurd from beginning to end.”

Let the riots begin.

[MDC 7,493]

Has there been a toxicology report made public yet? Because I've said before this guy's behavior seemed so erratic that drugs (real drugs, not pot) were likely involved, which would then explain why he might decide to bull rush a cop who had already shot him.

 

I've only been loosely following the story so I don't know for sure. One thing I do know is if Mike Brown so much as took cold medicine that morning the forearm righties are going to look up the jive sounding nickname of some street drug that uses DayQuil as an ingredient and talk about it like Brown was on some cocktail mixture of PCP and acid.

 

ETA: Just looked it up and Brown had pot in his system, which as we all know turns black teenagers into frothing at the mouth zombies like 28 Days Later.

[drobeski 3,061]

Teens who rob and assault store clerks always act and think rationally.

[5-Points 3,566]

I can't believe you really made me do this.

 

 

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/source-darren-wilson-says-michael-brown-kept-charging-at-him/article_d2cf8b20-c517-592b-96ba-77d8a5f46fef.html

 

 

That fact was proven wrong as early as two weeks after the shooting. Thanks for playing.

I didn't make you do sh!t. Did you miss where I used the word "if", as in not stated as fact? I was responding to Worms' hypothetical scenario. We weren't dealing in facts.

 

Again, the fact that Holder high tailed it out of town without bringing charges is a pretty clear indication, to me anyway, that the evidence supports Wilson's version of events.

 

Feel free to continue on your campaign to rid the interweb of speculation. Good luck.

[paulinstl 296]

 

The part you keep ignoring though is that proving if Brown was advancing may be difficult as it is the cops story versus his friends story and other eyewitness events that are conflicting.

 

So this evidence is big as it is corroborating the Officers version of events. As has most all the other evidence that has come out. Each new evidence is lining up with just how Officer Wilson said it went down. So when making decisions on whether to proscecute this matters.

 

Like I said if everything else the officer says happened, is proven to be so by evidence, then the last thing (Brown Advancing) will be assumed true as well. As it should be. He hasn't lied yet.

 

 

Fair enough,

[Sho Nuff 720]

So if he is not charged, will the hacks here condem the violence and destruction that will most likely follow ?

 

Will the hacks be satisfied with the grand jury's decision ?

 

Who are the hacks that didnt condemn the violence?

the only hacks here are again you and your ilk.

[porkbutt 893]

 

ETA: Just looked it up and Brown had pot in his system, which as we all know turns black teenagers into frothing at the mouth zombies like 28 Days Later.

just like donuts & sobriety turn cops into racist quiet black kid hunting lunatics

 

only difference is the followers of these monsters don't burn & loot cities before the evidence is even known. hth

[paulinstl 296]

Bunch a nigga hatahs up in here.

[MDC 7,493]

just like donuts & sobriety turn cops into racist quiet black kid hunting lunatics

 

only difference is the followers of these monsters don't burn & loot cities before the evidence is even known. hth

 

You are a master of the non sequitur.

 

I never said the cop was a lunatic or racist. I said that his version sounds suspect. I also didn't justify looting or race baiting on the other side. You're just angry that I'm not jumping to the same conclusions as you.

[porkbutt 893]

 

You are a master of the non sequitur.

 

I never said the cop was a lunatic or racist. I said that his version sounds suspect. I also didn't justify looting or race baiting on the other side. You're just angry that I'm not jumping to the same conclusions as you.

what conclusions am i jumping to???? that the looters and rioters are idiots and anyone defending the criminal is also an idiot at this point.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

You are a master of the non sequitur.

 

I never said the cop was a lunatic or racist. I said that his version sounds suspect. I also didn't justify looting or race baiting on the other side. You're just angry that I'm not jumping to the same conclusions as you.

 

2 pages of guys like pork and drobs taking one report...thinking it shows everything (when quite obviously it only proved what we already knew...that there was a fight in the car and a shot fired from there).

 

And then them acting as if anyone in this thread condoned the looting and violence after the kid was shot.

[Voltaire 5,317]

I found Paul's thinking to be already 95% of the way accurate and KSB got him the last 5%. We all seem to be on the same page now.

 

There's a fight at the car during which the cop receives lacerations to his face. The gun discharges shooting Brown in the hand. Brown then leaves. A few moments later, when the fatal shot was fired from 50 feet away, Brown was facing the cop and didn't have hands up palms out. So rather than flee the scene, Brown had already turned back around when he was fatally shot.

[MDC 7,493]

does it disprove that the gentle giant wasn't just walking down the street minding his own business when a big bad racist cop gunned him down from 50 feet away?

 

You must have broken out the Jump to Conclusions mat for this one.

[porkbutt 893]

 

You must have broken out the Jump to Conclusions mat for this one.

what? isn't that what the eye witnesses for brown have said? and the reason they been destroying the city?

[SUXBNME 1,516]

 

As usual the dumbest member of the forearm responds with toddler names when his trite opinions get challenged.

 

No wonder you flunked out of college, dummy.

 

 

 

MDC : Yes dummy, the fact that Brown got shot at close range while a scuffle was going on in the cop car doesn't prove anything about whether the fatal shooting outside the car was justified. I realize this might be a little too high level for a fat dumb plumber with "some college" so maybe stick to something you actually know about like cleaning toilets and the best $5 six-pack on the market.

 

 

 

 

 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

I found Paul's thinking to be already 95% of the way accurate and KSB got him the last 5%. We all seem to be on the same page now.

 

There's a fight at the car during which the cop receives lacerations to his face. The gun discharges shooting Brown in the hand. Brown then leaves. A few moments later, when the fatal shot was fired from 50 feet away, Brown was facing the cop and didn't have hands up palms out. So rather than flee the scene, Brown had already turned back around when he was fatally shot.

What most of us who do not automatically think cops are liars knew weeks ago. The clincher for me was eyewitnesses who were all on the same page. The lying eyewitnesses were all over the map.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MDC 7,493]

[drobeski 3,061]

Rmff

[MDC 7,493]

Tilt!

[drobeski 3,061]

I myself and looking forward to the discounted hands up don't shoot t-shirts

[Voltaire 5,317]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/federal-civil-rights-charges-unlikely-against-police-officer-in-ferguson-shooting/2014/10/31/56189d80-6055-11e4-8b9e-2ccdac31a031_story.html

 

Sadly, Eric Holder doesn't have any case for federal prosecution of the racist cop who murdered our beloved St. Michael in cold blood. I always hate when they take into account evidence and facts and motive and stuff. They should just go with their gut feelings.

[kilroy69 1,251]

I find it funny that holder came out about a week ago and slammed the police dept in ferguson for leaking the fact that the cop is not gonna be charged. Then yesterday a justice dept official who did not want to be named comes out and says basically the same thing......yet he stays silent.

[GobbleDog 997]

Who else is hoping for more Ferguson riots?

 

 

I'm beyond tired of Ebola stories on the news every night. I need more riot stories. "Hands up! Don't shoot! Flip the cop cars! Burn (our) buildings!"

[IGotWorms 4,058]

I find it funny that holder came out about a week ago and slammed the police dept in ferguson for leaking the fact that the cop is not gonna be charged. Then yesterday a justice dept official who did not want to be named comes out and says basically the same thing......yet he stays silent.

Maybe because he's out as AG?

[mmmmm...beer 807]

Maybe because he's out as AG?

I was at a conference with him this week. After he made his speech... at least half of the thousands of cops in the room didn't stand up or clap. He is not regarded well in the law enforcement world. Good bye motherfocker.... don't let our door hit your ass on the way out.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

I was at a conference with him this week. After he made his speech... at least half of the thousands of cops in the room didn't stand up or clap. He is not regarded well in the law enforcement world. Good bye motherfocker.... don't let our door hit your ass on the way out.

Seems kinda rude and disrespectful, no?

[mmmmm...beer 807]

Seems kinda rude and disrespectful, no?

So does prejudging every cop shooting a black man the last several years.