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I bet he'd of been a better qb than ponder tonight.

 

Seriously tho, If this kid is so strong and fast, why can't he block?

 

Honest opinion is he looks scared to put his nose in there to block, he literally slides away and watches and at one point when someone shot the gap right towards Ponder he bolted to "help" the tackle. He looked hesitant in "chasing" Peppers on that INT too, he took convenient angle so as not to really have to get hit and dove the first chance he got. If he is so fricking fast and athletic there is no way he should have let Peppers get away he was right there. but watch the replay he went half speed and dove the first chance he could to get out of the way.

 

This was first I saw him play and I don't think I was watching the same freakish talent everyone else described. And Asiata didn't look slow or plodding, he was amazing in pass blocking (he couldn't go out for a pass because they sent everyone and let Ponder beat himself), and hit holes fast and could push a pile for good yardage. It was basically him against 11 and he came way with 4.8, very impressive.

 

I don't think McKinnon is long for the NFL unless he is willing to get a little dirty.

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McKinnon lacks in-game speed and completely lost on pass protection.

Even if Asiata was injuried, i can see Mckinnon doing a 50/50 split with Banyard.

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I'm not sure I'm dancing around my words...I may need to get some clarification on what you mean there.

 

If you have to pick one rest of the season, Asiata or McKinnon? Because like you mention, most if not everyone only has one roaster spot to burn. I feel like you want to pick Asiata, just don't want to for whatever reason. That's fine, but then your article will end up not helping people decide at the end of the day.

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I guess it's eye of the beholder. I thought the attempt to get Peppers was a good effort especially as no other Vike seemed interested in giving any chase at all.

 

Overall the playcalling indicated that the coaching staff had no intent to win the game or show anything for future opponents.

 

I think everyone needs to consider this game a wash because of Ponder. However, for 2 games now McKinnon has been the COP guy. He's gone in for 1 series after 2 for Asiata, with a 2:1 carry share for Asiata more or less. So that is what it is.

 

But this is long term, this train is hopefully going to arrive week 10, 11 or 12. It doesn't have to happen now. Personally I'm happy considering when I saw him at the Saints game McKinnon was a total afterthought, now he's a part of the gameplan. McKinnon had maybe 1 chance out in space the whole game and Ponder badly overthrew him. And the team as a whole had 2 real red zone opportunities (before the final drive) and McKinnon was in both times, one time getting MN to the 14 and another to the 8. Add in 5 targets. He's just a backup prospect for me but somehow he ended up with 6.1 in my 0.5 PPR league in 1/3rd of the action, seems great, I have no idea how he got that. It's a subtle straw but I will grab it.

 

One other thing I came away with is that Jarius Wright is now definitely the no. 1 WR for this team, whenever TB is playing again he will have value.

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I have both of these guys and besides the fumble Asiago looked like the better overall player to me. Both were in an impossible situation last night.

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I don't know that I've ever seen so much man-love for a change of pace back in a timeshare.

 

Nobody is making 9 page threads about Taliaferro and Forsett for example...

 

Avoid the RBBC if you can, it's feast or famine dependant on a TD on limited carries and it's extremely frustrating. I'm just glad I got a TD out of Taliaferro when I could to cover a bye week. Other than that, RBBC like Forsett, Taliaferro, Asiata, McKinnnon should be on your bench. Break glass in case of emergency.

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Forsett has gone 19.4, 11.2, 10.5, and 18.7 in my PPR league. Good to be the #12 RB. Getting around 16 touches a game.

Taliaferro has gone 15.10 and 11.8 in the 2 weeks that he has seen time. Getting 15 touches and 18 touches in the 2 games he played.

 

Fred Jackson, in a RBBC also putting up nice numbers.

 

Asiata had a bad first week...and bad last night with Ponder...the other 3 weeks were 19.4, 10.10, and 31 point weeks for him. Putting him 6th at RB in ppr.

 

McKinnon is just coming on so its hard to gauge him. Most have said he is more of an upside play at this point and only would have been good last night had Bridgewater played.

 

But you continue to miss the point...and miss quite a lot with your thoughts that some of these guys are only for bye week or emergencies.

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I don't know that I've ever seen so much man-love for a change of pace back in a timeshare.

 

Nobody is making 9 page threads about Taliaferro and Forsett for example...

 

Avoid the RBBC if you can, it's feast or famine dependant on a TD on limited carries and it's extremely frustrating. I'm just glad I got a TD out of Taliaferro when I could to cover a bye week. Other than that, RBBC like Forsett, Taliaferro, Asiata, McKinnnon should be on your bench. Break glass in case of emergency.

 

This RBBC has much higher ceiling than the others.

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Asshatia better learn how to protect the ball or he will be out o there sooner than later...

 

How many fumbles has he had?

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Avoid the RBBC if you can, it's feast or famine dependant on a TD on limited carries and it's extremely frustrating. I'm just glad I got a TD out of Taliaferro when I could to cover a bye week. Other than that, RBBC like Forsett, Taliaferro, Asiata, McKinnnon should be on your bench. Break glass in case of emergency.

 

Have you seen the landscape on the RB this season?

The numbers for Forsett and Asiata are starter numbers.

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This RBBC has much higher ceiling than the others.

 

Not really. Especially considering it's 2:1 ratio.

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Have you seen the landscape on the RB this season?

The numbers for Forsett and Asiata are starter numbers.

In this thread, people have lost their minds on definition of a good starting RB. The NFL isn't full of Marshall Faulk / Emmitt anymore.

 

There is something up with this DaBeerz guy, think he may have lost to Asiata last week or something? Or maybe he is in a 4 man league?

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In this thread, people have lost their minds on definition of a good starting RB. The NFL isn't full of Marshall Faulk / Emmitt anymore.

 

There is something up with this DaBeerz guy, think he may have lost to Asiata last week or something? Or maybe he is in a 4 man league?

 

Most folks just aren't keeping up with times and looking at numbers.

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Why are you guys so geeked on McKinnon?

 

Asiata is getting the GL carries, that's what counts for an RB3, not yards.

 

McKinnon is in the exact same RBBC situation that Forsett/Taliaferro are in. He's not just all of a sudden gonna blow up and become a stud.

 

He's also undersized at 5'9" and 208, that's too small to become a featured every-down back. Asiata is always gonna be there vulturing the short yardage GL carries.

 

Priest Holmes was 5'9" about 210 lbs. He wasn't too shabby of a feature back now was he??

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Honest opinion is he looks scared to put his nose in there to block, he literally slides away and watches and at one point when someone shot the gap right towards Ponder he bolted to "help" the tackle. He looked hesitant in "chasing" Peppers on that INT too, he took convenient angle so as not to really have to get hit and dove the first chance he got. If he is so fricking fast and athletic there is no way he should have let Peppers get away he was right there. but watch the replay he went half speed and dove the first chance he could to get out of the way.

 

This was first I saw him play and I don't think I was watching the same freakish talent everyone else described. And Asiata didn't look slow or plodding, he was amazing in pass blocking (he couldn't go out for a pass because they sent everyone and let Ponder beat himself), and hit holes fast and could push a pile for good yardage. It was basically him against 11 and he came way with 4.8, very impressive.

 

I don't think McKinnon is long for the NFL unless he is willing to get a little dirty.

 

 

McKinnon only stayed in to block on 3 plays last night, and he picked up 2 of the 3. The only sack that happened when he was a pass blocker was when 3 different guys broke through the line. No runningback or even offensive lineman for that matter would have helped.

 

McKinnon did pick up his man the other 2 times. McKinnon successfully pass blocked both times he was in a position to be successful.

 

On the other hand Asiata stayed in to block 11 times and allowed 2 QB hurry's and picked up a penalty. Where as Asiata had a 28% failure rate in passblocking last night.

 

 

Asiata ran better than McKinnon last night. He ran harder and was more decisive. But you are grasping at straws with the blocking. Asiata was worse lass night in that regards.

 

 

 

 

 

For what its worth I own Asiata in 3 leagues, and McKinnon in 2 leagues. I would be better off if Asiata keeps the lead back role.

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Priest Holmes was 5'9" about 210 lbs. He wasn't too shabby of a feature back now was he??

 

Don't give Dabeerz post on McKinnon's size any credence. 209 was his weight at the combine, however McKinnon started the season at 216, the same size as Gore, Lynch, McCoy, etc.

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In this thread, people have lost their minds on definition of a good starting RB. The NFL isn't full of Marshall Faulk / Emmitt anymore.

 

There is something up with this DaBeerz guy, think he may have lost to Asiata last week or something? Or maybe he is in a 4 man league?

 

Uh, no. My opponent has Asiata, and he's where he belongs, on his bench.

 

I had Asiata and I dropped him for Knile Davis weeks ago.

 

Take away a 3TD 70 yard game and Asiata's numbers are quite underwhelming. McKinnon's even less so. They're not even close to starting RB for most teams, even in a 12 team league.

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Asiata needs to learn to catch the ball before running.

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This RBBC has much higher ceiling than the others.

 

How so, explain.

 

Min have a crappy QB, and the run is getting stuffed by Defenses loading up the box. If anything, this RBBC is worse than others.

 

Anyway, let's get this McKinnon love-fest to 10 pages. That is until some other RBBC rookie back has a 100+ plus game and is slated to be the next stud RB... :overhead:

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Forsett has gone 19.4, 11.2, 10.5, and 18.7 in my PPR league. Good to be the #12 RB. Getting around 16 touches a game.

Taliaferro has gone 15.10 and 11.8 in the 2 weeks that he has seen time. Getting 15 touches and 18 touches in the 2 games he played.

 

Fred Jackson, in a RBBC also putting up nice numbers.

 

Asiata had a bad first week...and bad last night with Ponder...the other 3 weeks were 19.4, 10.10, and 31 point weeks for him. Putting him 6th at RB in ppr.

 

McKinnon is just coming on so its hard to gauge him. Most have said he is more of an upside play at this point and only would have been good last night had Bridgewater played.

 

But you continue to miss the point...and miss quite a lot with your thoughts that some of these guys are only for bye week or emergencies.

 

12 team league, competitive, guys know their stuff. 1/2 PPR.

 

Edit: Forsett is finally getting started by a team in my league, who is extremely weak at RB, to the point where he is starting 1 back. His team is also 0-4 if that's worth considering...

 

I have Taliaferro and got a respectable game out of him when my 2 starting RB were on a bye.

 

McKinnon is still on the WW in my league.

 

Asiata is on my opponent's bench.

 

So tell me what I'm missing. Except for a bye week, nobody is starting these guys in their lineups, and rightfully so.

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Don't give Dabeerz post on McKinnon's size any credence. 209 was his weight at the combine, however McKinnon started the season at 216, the same size as Gore, Lynch, McCoy, etc.

Exactly my point. Size is irrelevant in this case...

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How so, explain.

 

Min have a crappy QB, and the run is getting stuffed by Defenses loading up the box. If anything, this RBBC is worse than others.

 

Anyway, let's get this McKinnon love-fest to 10 pages. That is until some other RBBC rookie back has a 100+ plus game and is slated to be the next stud RB... :overhead:

 

Barring a set back...Ponder won't be out there many more times for teams to stack the box. it won't always be like the ATL game...but certain matchups will make it a decent RBBC with Asiata being the main beneficiary to ride most weeks.

Some bad matchups would give mcKinnon a chance to be a spot start...any injury to Asiata and with Bridgewater at QB McKinnon becomes a very good player.

There simply are not many great lead backs anymore that are not in an RBBC...and this is about a guy who was either picked up off of waivers or could still be available to people as a bye week or injury fill in.

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12 team league, competitive, guys know their stuff. 1/2 PPR.

 

Forsett is sitting on the bench and nobody has started him yet this year.

 

I have Taliaferro and got a respectable game out of him when my 2 starting RB were on a bye.

 

McKinnon is still on the WW in my league.

 

Asiata is on my opponent's bench.

 

So tell me what I'm missing. Except for a bye week, nobody is starting these guys in their lineups, and rightfully so.

 

Then people have missed out on Forsett putting up good points.

I have started him due to bye and injury and felt fine about it and will feel fine starting him again this week.

 

I already told you what you are missing.

12 teams leagues and someone won't start the back that is consistently putting up points in a ppr league? #12 back in a ppr league and he is on someone's bench.

Unless they drafted 3 really good RBs...Forsett is a flex at worst right now in PPR and has been each week.

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Then people have missed out on Forsett putting up good points.

I have started him due to bye and injury and felt fine about it and will feel fine starting him again this week.

 

I already told you what you are missing.

12 teams leagues and someone won't start the back that is consistently putting up points in a ppr league? #12 back in a ppr league and he is on someone's bench.

Unless they drafted 3 really good RBs...Forsett is a flex at worst right now in PPR and has been each week.

 

I checked my league schedule, see my edited version, Edit: Forsett is finally getting started by a team in my league, who is extremely weak at RB, to the point where he is starting 1 back. His team is also 0-4 if that's worth considering...

 

My opponent has Morris, and is loaded at WR, so hes going 1RB, 4 WR this week, with Asiata on the bench.

 

1/2 PPR (No points for RB receptions, TE and WR only).

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I checked my league schedule, see my edited version, Edit: Forsett is finally getting started by a team in my league, who is extremely weak at RB, to the point where he is starting 1 back. His team is also 0-4 if that's worth considering...

 

My opponent has Morris, and is loaded at WR, so hes going 1RB, 4 WR this week, with Asiata on the bench.

 

1/2 PPR (No points for RB receptions, TE and WR only).

 

Im 3-1...if he was that weak at RB...he is 0-4 for either not picking up Forsett until later...or not playing him and missing out on solid points for the first 4 weeks of the season.

Asiata on the bench this week is not that strange of a thing with Ponder at QB...I have said this. Did he play him last week and enjoy the points? How about the previous 2 weeks?

 

No points for RB receptions...ok. I specifically said PPR.

But going standard...

Asiata is still 6th (put better numbers up in PPR week 3 due to having the receptions. But still Week 2 and week 4 were huge.

 

Forsett's week 1 and 4 were both very good. Not great week 2 and 3...but better than quite a few of the top backs.

Not starting a guy who is a top 15-16 back so far...when the guy's RBs are weak means he is a pretty bad owner rather than someone being smart to avoid a productive RBBC.

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If you have to pick one rest of the season, Asiata or McKinnon? Because like you mention, most if not everyone only has one roaster spot to burn. I feel like you want to pick Asiata, just don't want to for whatever reason. That's fine, but then your article will end up not helping people decide at the end of the day.

Rest of season, I'd bank on Asiata. I give McKinnon roughly a 20 percent chance of reversing roles (from change-of-pace to lead back) with Asiata before the end of the season. If the Vikings fall out of contention before Week 16 for some reason, then I think all bets are off.

 

With that said, I don't think the question is as black-and-white as one or the other. To me, it ALL depends on how quickly McKinnon picks up the blocking/receiving part of his job. I had the choice in all four of my money leagues and I chose Asiata in all four before Week 2 (Asiata and McKinnon were both available in every league the Friday the AP news broke and each player was scooped up before the end of the night if memory serves). I ended up picking up McKinnon a bit later in the evening in one of the leagues. I feel better about the decision now than I did then, esp. after watching McKinnon continue to struggle in the non-running areas of his game.

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I had Rice at one point. Now I have Ivory Forsett Taliaferro Asiata and McKinnon so I'm in a bit of a cucumber. My wr are great but need 2 rb out of that mess of rb 2s and 3s.

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I cut McKinnon today for Joseph Randle. Asiata ran with power in a horrible offensive performance where a defense had no need to respect the QB or the passing game. He did fumble. Never good even considering the weather but he looks like a feature back. He was decisive when he took the hand off and hit the hole and wasn't afraid of contact. He moved the pile a couple of times and it was a shock that any RB would be able to get over four yards per carry like he did in that game. I'm not running out to put a paycheck on him leading the league in rushing but he looks like a back that is going to put up low RB2 or high flex numbers ROS. If Bridgewater can get back and is anything approaching a competent QB he will get a nice bump in his production.

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Ok McKinnonites, rev it up again, Teddy is back and last week was just a bump in the road.

 

 

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Gangam style!

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I think McKinnon's snap count drops based on his pass protection last week. The hits that Ponder took will be unacceptable with Bridgewater.

Asiata will get more work.

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I am starting Mckinnon over McCoy :banana:

 

 

They will prob have the same amount of FF points :dunno:

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McKinnon only stayed in to block on 3 plays last night, and he picked up 2 of the 3. The only sack that happened when he was a pass blocker was when 3 different guys broke through the line. No runningback or even offensive lineman for that matter would have helped.

 

That's incorrect. Ponders first 2 sacks was when McKinnon was back there.

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I like it...we have potential for another 12 rounder before sunday!!!

 

 

I heard asiata's momma sooooo black...

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I am starting Mckinnon over McCoy :banana:

 

 

They will prob have the same amount of FF points :dunno:

 

Don't do that man. Just don't.

 

AS soon as you bench McCoy, that's when he'll go off.

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Don't do that man. Just don't.

 

AS soon as you bench McCoy, that's when he'll go off.

 

Sounds like a good idea to me. Someone benched DT last week, did wonders for him.

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