Bernard Pierce

[Phil Simms 11 134]

He is getting back in the action this week.

 

Is this backfield a RBBC mess? He did have a nice game before injury however the others have played fantastic in his absence.

 

To me he seems like he would resume with a heavy workload once he returns. Or is this a situation to avoid?

[tigeru 65]

We count on you for this even when you're not on tv. I have Forsett and Taliaferro so hopefully Pierce is benched.

[p00h 85]

It's a situation we wait and see this Sunday. Any discourse otherwise is useless...

[bubba29 3]

Just dropped him. I have moved on from him. His absence has allowed the 2 other guys prove that they are better than Pierce.

[weepaws 3,261]

He is getting back in the action this week.

Is this backfield a RBBC mess? He did have a nice game before injury however the others have played fantastic in his absence.

To me he seems like he would resume with a heavy workload once he returns. Or is this a situation to avoid?

I think the other two are better players then Pierce

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

I'm holding him. It's only week 5 and he's been injured so its too early to give up. He is supposed to be a solid fit for their run blocking scheme so I could see it still working once he gets some reps.

[FeelingMN 273]

Dropped him a couple weeks back.

 

Seems like Forsett has carved out his role in the offense, and has produced whenever given the chance. Teleflora has been alright but I can't see him going away completely. So he and Pierce will probably form some sort of rotation with Forsett getting 10-12 touches per game.

 

Forsett is the only player I'd feel confident starting.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Dropped him a couple weeks back.

 

Seems like Forsett has carved out his role in the offense, and has produced whenever given the chance. Teleflora has been alright but I can't see him going away completely. So he and Pierce will probably form some sort of rotation with Forsett getting 10-12 touches per game.

 

Forsett is the only player I'd feel confident starting.

 

Forsett is 5'8" tall and 190 lbs tops. He's a gap filler. If they try to feature him he'll be pulverized by midseason.

[njpunk24 0]

Since I'm a BP owner, I'm hoping he gets some run and a chance to prove himself. The Ravens traded up for him and that was only in 2012; are they really ready to give up on him already? I doubt it. I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of those weekends where no one expects BP to get any significant carries and then goes ahead and gets 20+ and 100+ yards and takes back his job.

[FeelingMN 273]

Forsett is 5'8" tall and 190 lbs tops. He's a gap filler. If they try to feature him he'll be pulverized by midseason.

I don't think 10-12 touches is featuring him. I just think he's been the most consistent thus far and has earned touches going forward because he's produced. I don't really know what's going to happen....it's all a guessing game. Just seems like Forsett has his role and the other two are interchangeable. Straight up committee....and I doubt any of the three get more than 15 carries except in a blowout.

 

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

I don't think 10-12 touches is featuring him. I just think he's been the most consistent thus far and has earned touches going forward because he's produced. I don't really know what's going to happen....it's all a guessing game. Just seems like Forsett has his role and the other two are interchangeable. Straight up committee....and I doubt any of the three get more than 15 carries except in a blowout.

 

 

So you'd feel confident starting him in his roll as a 3rd down/COP role? You must be in a really large league. Forsett has very little upside.

[DaBeerz 88]

I wouldn't want any Baltimore RB right now, it's RBBC hell. Unfortunately I have Taliaferro as a 4th RB.

 

If Pierce gets in on a 3 way timeshare, there is really no value for anybody.

[FeelingMN 273]

So you'd feel confident starting him in his roll as a 3rd down/COP role? You must be in a really large league. Forsett has very little upside.

If I had to, yeah. Don't own him and wouldn't want him as anything more than flex/bye week filler. But I'd feel more confident starting him than the other two.

 

Dude is RB15 in my league.....getting a consistent 12-15 touches and is the only back to put up a decent stat line every game this year.

 

[skinsrule05 30]

 

So you'd feel confident starting him in his roll as a 3rd down/COP role? You must be in a really large league. Forsett has very little upside.

 

That is what I was thinking. I wouldn't want to be starting any Baltimore RB now but if I had to it wouldn't be the COP guy. I would take a guess between Pierce and Teleflora. Now if they are all healthy we might get a good indication this weekend of how to guess between these two.

[skinsrule05 30]

If I had to, yeah. Don't own him and wouldn't want him as anything more than flex/bye week filler. But I'd feel more confident starting him than the other two.

 

Dude is RB15 in my league.....getting a consistent 12-15 touches and is the only back to put up a decent stat line every game this year.

 

 

That was with Pierce out. Where do you think Pierce's touches will come from. I agree with what was said earlier that I don't think anyone will get 15 touches. But to think the original starter coming back isn't going to affect his touches is not realistic.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

If I had to, yeah. Don't own him and wouldn't want him as anything more than flex/bye week filler. But I'd feel more confident starting him than the other two.

 

Dude is RB15 in my league.....getting a consistent 12-15 touches and is the only back to put up a decent stat line every game this year.

 

 

RB 15 is as high as he'll be in your league. He's going to drop. No longer matters what he did in the past.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Forsett is 5'8" tall and 190 lbs tops. He's a gap filler. If they try to feature him he'll be pulverized by midseason.

 

I see the 50/50 split working pretty well for them and don't see them changing too much for Pierce who really hasn't been all that good.

 

Pierce was active last week and didn't play a snap.

Forsett was featured and not just a 3rd down COP guy (Taliaferro got his points later in that game against Carolina in the blowout)

[BobSanders_33 127]

I have watched all of Baltimore's games. Forrsett has looked great. If he was some young player or rookie people would be going crazy about his 5+ ypc and how he is catching the ball. It is clear the staff wants to limit his touches to around 11-15 rushes and 3-4 receptions per game. He is a solid flex player but has capped upside due to limitted touches and goal line working going to a big back.

 

Tali has looked ok in his roll as the pounder/closer. He has been fortunate that game script has gone his way in the last two games. He has punched in a couple of short yardage TDs and looked good doing it. He was also praised for his pass protect in camp so he could be a 3 down back if Forsett goes down. He is a dicey flex play in more competitive games against better teams.

 

Pierce... forget about him. He got a quick pull in week one and was unimpressive against Pitt until piling up 20 yards in the final drive. He looked poor running the ball at sub 3 ypc on more than 100 carries. Kubiak has never shown that he uses a 3 back commitee. His only hope is Tali losing trust or getting injued.

[FeelingMN 273]

That was with Pierce out. Where do you think Pierce's touches will come from. I agree with what was said earlier that I don't think anyone will get 15 touches. But to think the original starter coming back isn't going to affect his touches is not realistic.

BAL has such great confidence in Pierce that he was benched for a fumble in game 1 and saw zero action last week even though he was active.

 

Forsett received 16 and 12 touches with Pierce in the picture. 15 and 17 without. I already said Forsett is in line for 10-12 touches per game....so I expect Pierce to cut into that. I just think Forsett will do more with his limited work than Pierce, who seems to need volume to be valuable.

 

I don't want any of these guys on my team. Clusterfock of a committee. But if I had to start one, I'd go Forsett as I think his role is more solidified. I could see a hot hand approach between Pierce and Telaflora.

 

[seadog54 20]

pierce is done. put a fork in him. drop him.

[H-man 12]

Forsett is undervalued, but Taliaferro even more. Most improved o-line, Forsett is one of the most consistent RB2s, but Taliaferro is a pounder AND big play threat, and every team wants an RB like that. More upside in re-drafts than a Jerick McKinnon going forward. Pierce? He done.

[BobSanders_33 127]

Taliafero is not a big play threat. Late in a game he might find a large hole and break an arm tackle but after that he is going to get run down and gang tackled 20 yards downfield.. He doesn't run away from people in the 2nd or 3rd level.

[H-man 12]

Taliafero is not a big play threat. Late in a game he might find a large hole and break an arm tackle but after that he is going to get run down and gang tackled 20 yards downfield.. He doesn't run away from people in the 2nd or 3rd level.

Last 2 weeks his longest runs have been longer than Forsett's. The only reason his YPC is lower is b/c he's getting the GL carries, giving you a maximum potential of a 3 yard run or less. I'm not saying he's Adrian Peterson, I'm just saying he's not a plodder and you can count on him for runs of 10+ yards, giving him more upside and chances to overtake his competition for carries in Forsett. Of course Taliaferro is a work in progress, but operates in a better offense than a guy like McKinnon (who IS more of a big play threat) and is running behind a better o-line.

[p00h 85]

Forsett is undervalued, but Taliaferro even more. Most improved o-line, Forsett is one of the most consistent RB2s, but Taliaferro is a pounder AND big play threat, and every team wants an RB like that. More upside in re-drafts than a Jerick McKinnon going forward. Pierce? He done.

 

 

epitome of the level of disshit analysis dished out on this board, not a single thing rooted in any type of logic. Congrats...

 

LOGIC dictates that no one knows what this situation is going to be. The next week if not 2 will tell. Anyone chriping anything else is talking jiberish...

 

 

HTH

 

[H-man 12]

 

 

epitome of the level of disshit analysis dished out on this board, not a single thing rooted in any type of logic. Congrats...

 

LOGIC dictates that no one knows what this situation is going to be. The next week if not 2 will tell. Anyone chriping anything else is talking jiberish...

 

 

HTH

 

Forsett is the 15th ranked RB and his role is not set to change a whole lot. These runners are not elite talents but you are failing to account for the fact that Baltimore has the 7th best run-blocking offensive line according to Football Outsiders as well as Baltimore having the number 6th best offense in scoring and yards. Pierce is the least talented of the three and the coaches are telling thinking Fantasy owners this by benching him after his first career fumble in week 1 and giving him 0 snaps/carries last week despite being active. Good enough logic for ya dipschit?

[skinsrule05 30]

Forsett is the 15th ranked RB and his role is not set to change a whole lot. These runners are not elite talents but you are failing to account for the fact that Baltimore has the 7th best run-blocking offensive line according to Football Outsiders as well as Baltimore having the number 6th best offense in scoring and yards. Pierce is the least talented of the three and the coaches are telling thinking Fantasy owners this by benching him after his first career fumble in week 1 and giving him 0 snaps/carries last week despite being active. Good enough logic for ya dipschit?

You have to get some perspective here. I get it, you own Forsett and hope he is the guy. It's a three headed RBBC and we will get a better picture this weekend. Saying Pierce is at the bottom because he got zero carries is silly. The coach said he wasn't 100% and didn't want to use him.

 

Also, when you turn to personal attacks like that it makes you lose all credibility.

[Sho Nuff 720]

You have to get some perspective here. I get it, you own Forsett and hope he is the guy. It's a three headed RBBC and we will get a better picture this weekend. Saying Pierce is at the bottom because he got zero carries is silly. The coach said he wasn't 100% and didn't want to use him.

 

Also, when you turn to personal attacks like that it makes you lose all credibility.

 

First off...pooh was the one dishing out the personal attack killing his own credibility (if he ever actually had any).

2nd...Pierce has done nothing and Forsett has put up those consistent points since week 1.

 

I think Pierce is at the bottom because he simply has not performed as well as the other 2. He appears to offer the Ravens the least right now. His work last year was underwhelming...as well as starting the year off.

Forsett and Taliaferro have come in and perfomed well.

 

I don't think you will see Pierce do much to Forsett's value going forward.

[GobbleDog 1,006]

It's back to square one with Pierce... wait and see if ever again gets 20+ touches like he had in Week 2.

 

My guess is he will eventually get the job back, but until then it's full-blown RBBC. You'd have to be extremely desperate to start him now.

[Perennial Contender 18]

Just dropped him. I have moved on from him. His absence has allowed the 2 other guys prove that they are better than Pierce.

What he said.

[FeelingMN 273]

The coach said he wasn't 100% and didn't want to use him.

Very few RBs are 100% so the bolded is very telling.

[H-man 12]

You have to get some perspective here. I get it, you own Forsett and hope he is the guy. It's a three headed RBBC and we will get a better picture this weekend. Saying Pierce is at the bottom because he got zero carries is silly. The coach said he wasn't 100% and didn't want to use him.

 

Also, when you turn to personal attacks like that it makes you lose all credibility.

Well skinsrule05, I believe I do have perspective as a Ravens homer who has watched every snap. I decided to pick up Forsett because I see a guy who is a lock to get ~10 carries per game and ~4 catches per game who has an established role in a productive offense due to his pass protection know-how, pass-catching skills, as well as being the team's only small scat-back. These 3 traits separate him from the conversation of his production as the #15 back in fantasy (#12 in PPR) being cut into by either Taliaferro or Pierce. As for Forsett's complimentary big back, the numbers show that Pierce is averaging 4.0 ypc, and Taliaferro is averaging 4.5 ypc on more carries. Furthermore, in consideration to goal-line carries inside the 5, Pierce has 4 for zero touchdowns and Taliaferro has 3 for 2 touchdowns. Forsett, being a scat-back, has 3 goal-line carries for zero touchdowns, his last attempt being in week 2 which was immediately followed by 2 ineffective QB sneaks and an ineffective WR run, boosting Taliaferro's fantasy value as the likely goal-line back. But me, skinsrule05, I'm not as much of a numbers guy as I am a visual, intangibles guy, and Taliaferro passes the eye test as the most exciting Baltimore back to watch in years. Forsett is a high-end RB2 who won't screw you over by getting 5 points or less and yet has the upside to get you 15 points, and Taliaferro is a high-end RB3 with second half of the season upside to be a low-end RB1. You're simply proving my point that Forsett and Taliaferro are undervalued fantasy commodities that can both be productive in this offense. I'm curious though skinsrule05, why is it that you think I'm being silly?

[TennisMenace 156]

Well skinsrule05, I believe I do have perspective as a Ravens homer who has watched every snap. I decided to pick up Forsett because I see a guy who is a lock to get ~10 carries per game and ~4 catches per game who has an established role in a productive offense due to his pass protection know-how, pass-catching skills, as well as being the team's only small scat-back. These 3 traits separate him from the conversation of his production as the #15 back in fantasy (#12 in PPR) being cut into by either Taliaferro or Pierce. As for Forsett's complimentary big back, the numbers show that Pierce is averaging 4.0 ypc, and Taliaferro is averaging 4.5 ypc on more carries. Furthermore, in consideration to goal-line carries inside the 5, Pierce has 4 for zero touchdowns and Taliaferro has 3 for 2 touchdowns. Forsett, being a scat-back, has 3 goal-line carries for zero touchdowns, his last attempt being in week 2 which was immediately followed by 2 ineffective QB sneaks and an ineffective WR run, boosting Taliaferro's fantasy value as the likely goal-line back. But me, skinsrule05, I'm not as much of a numbers guy as I am a visual, intangibles guy, and Taliaferro passes the eye test as the most exciting Baltimore back to watch in years. Forsett is a high-end RB2 who won't screw you over by getting 5 points or less and yet has the upside to get you 15 points, and Taliaferro is a high-end RB3 with second half of the season upside to be a low-end RB1. You're simply proving my point that Forsett and Taliaferro are undervalued fantasy commodities that can both be productive in this offense. I'm curious though skinsrule05, why is it that you think I'm being silly?

Good stuff here. Thanks for sharing this.

[ThatDude 12]

I'm going to laugh when Pierce gets 12 carries and turns this into a full blow RBBC.

[SexyRexy 60]

I'm far from giving up on pierce...not 2 weeks ago he had 22 carries for 96 yards.

 

As for the week 1 benching, folks keep in mind this was pre Ray Rice bonanza...the ravens thought fully they'd have rice back soon. if that fumble happened post rice incident he wouldn't have been pulled...and its not like he's been fumble prone.

 

I'd definitely hold Pierce until we see how things shake out.

[RepoPatrol 14]

Very few RBs are 100% so the bolded is very telling.

He missed most of training camp. Reinjured himself Week 2. The fact that he didn't play last week is really meaningless in that context. I think it is very possible he comes out and gets 20+ carries today. That said i dropped him for Ingram this week.

[SaintsInDome2006 505]

I'm far from giving up on pierce...not 2 weeks ago he had 22 carries for 96 yards.

 

As for the week 1 benching, folks keep in mind this was pre Ray Rice bonanza...the ravens thought fully they'd have rice back soon. if that fumble happened post rice incident he wouldn't have been pulled...and its not like he's been fumble prone.

 

I'd definitely hold Pierce until we see how things shake out.

 

Week 1, benched.

 

Week 2, great performance in numbers, but watching the game I wasn't that impressed. Forsett had around 7 ypc, he far outplayed Pierce for the 2nd straight week. Crowell & West had gone for over 6 ypc the week before.

 

Week 3, injured after toting it 22 times.

 

Week 4 he's "healthy" - whoops, no he's benched as a precaution supposedly. Taliaferro looks good and scores a TD. Forsett again shows big play ability.

 

I'm going to laugh when Pierce gets 12 carries and turns this into a full blow RBBC.

 

 

BAL is currently 10th in FF points scored at RB. This is a Kubiak offense and 1-2 RBs will have real worth.

[H-man 12]

He missed most of training camp. Reinjured himself Week 2. The fact that he didn't play last week is really meaningless in that context. I think it is very possible he comes out and gets 20+ carries today. That said i dropped him for Ingram this week.

It is very impossible he gets 20+ carries today, please don't say stuff like this. What coach is going to give his 3rd best running back a workhorse amount of carries when he's just coming back from an injury?

[Sho Nuff 720]

20 carries huh?

BTW...Forsett again put up great points (especially in ppr)

[GobbleDog 1,006]

20 carries huh?

BTW...Forsett again put up great points (especially in ppr)

 

4 carries and no receptions. Not even one target. I wouldn't drop him just yet... maybe 1 or 2 more weeks before he's officially worthless.

[Gepetto 1,422]

Wait, but I was the one who was right though, not you. So it's actually supposed to be me coming back to the thread and trash talking.