Ferguson - Grand Jury has reached their decision.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Not sure if anyone has seen this on Facebook, but it seems to hit the major points and there is a football tie-in.

 

Benjamin Watson is a TE for the Saints and this is what he wrote on his Facebook page last night

 

 

It's all about the Benjamin, baby.

[rholio 339]

Not sure if anyone has seen this on Facebook, but it seems to hit the major points and there is a football tie-in.

 

Benjamin Watson is a TE for the Saints and this is what he wrote on his Facebook page last night

 

Very nice, good find.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

 

Of course they don't, to you, because you are using normal logical thinking of a regular citizen.

 

Who would just walk in a store, middle of the day, push a store clerk around and steal some blunts?

Who just walks down the middle of the focking street on the double yellow lines?

 

Stupid ignorant mf'ers who have zero respect for anybody, including the law. So when you put it into that persepctive it makes perfect sense.

Sorry but the bolded part is pretty focking stupid. You've said it a few times now and I really don't see what it has to do with anything.

 

Strong-arming a clerk in the middle of a robbery? Sure.

 

Assaulting a police officer? You betcha.

 

But oh my stars, WALKING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE FOCKING ROAD??!

 

Yeah sorry, I'm just not seeing the relevance there

[KSB2424 3,148]

Sorry but the bolded part is pretty focking stupid. You've said it a few times now and I really don't see what it has to do with anything.

 

Strong-arming a clerk in the middle of a robbery? Sure.

 

Assaulting a police officer? You betcha.

 

But oh my stars, WALKING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE FOCKING ROAD??!

 

Yeah sorry, I'm just not seeing the relevance there

 

Respect, obeying the law.

 

Sure if that's ALL that happened then its no huge deal. But when you add it on with robbing a store and punching a cop its just one more action that validates the assumption M.Brown didn't give an F about anybody else. He just does what he wants to do without regard for store clerk owners, motorists, or....... cops.

 

From testimony:

 

 

'I see them walking down the middle of the street. And first thing that struck me was they’re walking in the middle of the street. I had already seen a couple cars trying to pass, but they couldn’t have traffic normal because they were in the middle so one had to stop to let the car go around and then another car would come.

 

 

Who walks down the middle of a street, one busy enough to be marked with yellow lines, to the point that cars are having to slow down and go around and stuff?

 

It's not some huge deal in and of itself, but it's just one more thing that points to this guy not giving a damn about anything that day.

[HenryHill9323 65]

Sorry but the bolded part is pretty focking stupid. You've said it a few times now and I really don't see what it has to do with anything.

 

Strong-arming a clerk in the middle of a robbery? Sure.

 

Assaulting a police officer? You betcha.

 

But oh my stars, WALKING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE FOCKING ROAD??!

 

Yeah sorry, I'm just not seeing the relevance there

I'm sure you don't.

 

But it was the reason he drew the cop's attention, and eventually died, so it is somewhat relevant.

[TD Ryan2 316]

Sorry but the bolded part is pretty focking stupid.

Broken Window Theory - you should check it out.

 

Walking down the middle of a double line is a sign of disorder and lawlessness.

Agreed that on its own, not a big deal, but it is a signal of worse thing to come (or have happened) and when you consider ALL the events, this 'theory" seem pretty accurate.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Sorry but the bolded part is pretty focking stupid. You've said it a few times now and I really don't see what it has to do with anything.

 

Strong-arming a clerk in the middle of a robbery? Sure.

 

Assaulting a police officer? You betcha.

 

But oh my stars, WALKING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE FOCKING ROAD??!

 

Yeah sorry, I'm just not seeing the relevance there

The cop was in the road and these thugs walk right past him in the middle. Not exactly laying low after committing a robbery. The cop tells them to get out of the road, and then the incident happens.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

 

Respect, obeying the law.

 

Sure if that's ALL that happened then its no huge deal. But when you add it on with robbing a store and punching a cop its just one more action that validates the assumption M.Brown didn't give an F about anybody else. he just does what he wants to do without regard for store clerk owners, motorists, or....... cops.

Again, stupid. Nobody deserves to die for lacking respect or "not obeying the law" in the general sense.

 

You are attaching far too much importance to a mere footnote in the story. The important points are he had just committed a robbery, assaulted an officer, tried to take his gun, and turned back around and charged the officer. Walking down the middle of a residential street doesn't have nothing to do with anything

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Broken Window Theory - you should check it out.

 

Walking down the middle of a double line is a sign of disorder and lawlessness.

Agreed that on its own, not a big deal, but it is a signal of worse thing to come (or have happened) and when you consider ALL the events, this 'theory" seem pretty accurate.

I know broken window theory. The idea is that you keep the neighborhood fixed up, not that you shoot people walking in the street

[TD Ryan2 316]

Again, stupid. Nobody deserves to die for lacking respect or "not obeying the law" in the general sense.

 

You are attaching far too much importance to a mere footnote in the story. The important points are he had just committed a robbery, assaulted an officer, tried to take his gun, and turned back around and charged the officer. Walking down the middle of a residential street doesn't have nothing to do with anything

yes it DOES.

 

It is part of the behavior pattern intended to disobey the law and instill fear onto the community. You are a complete fool if you do not understand this.

 

 

 

Concept of "Fear"[edit]

Ranasinghe argues that the concept of fear is a crucial element of broken windows theory, because it is the foundation upon which the theory is developed.^[10] She also adds that public disorder is “unequivocally constructed as problematic because it is a source of fear”.^[11] Fear is elevated as perception of disorder rises; creating a social pattern that tears the social fabric of a community, and leaves the residents feeling hopeless and disconnected. Wilson and Kelling hint at the idea, but don’t focus on its central importance. They indicate that fear was a product of incivility, not crime, and that people avoid one another in response to fear, weakening controls^{[1][page needed]}

 

[KSB2424 3,148]

Again, stupid. Nobody deserves to die for lacking respect or "not obeying the law" in the general sense.

 

You are attaching far too much importance to a mere footnote in the story. The important points are he had just committed a robbery, assaulted an officer, tried to take his gun, and turned back around and charged the officer. Walking down the middle of a residential street doesn't have nothing to do with anything

 

You're hopeless.

 

Who said M.Brown should be killed for walking down the middle of the road? Nobody is implying that. But, It's just one of many actions immediately leading up to the altercation that lends itself to the state of mind of M.Brown that day. Sheesh dude. You're embarrasing yourself.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

yes it DOES.

 

It is part of the behavior pattern designed to disobey the law and instill fear onto the community. You are a complete fool if you do not understand this.

 

Oh bullsh1t. I don't want to argue the point too much because, again, it's just a FOOTNOTE in the story. But walking down the middle of the street doesn't mean much of anything. Christ I probably did that as a teenager just being stupid and wanting to mess with adults. Sure as hell doesn't mean I was about to assault a police officer and try to take his gun.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Again, stupid. Nobody deserves to die for lacking respect or "not obeying the law" in the general sense.

 

You are attaching far too much importance to a mere footnote in the story. The important points are he had just committed a robbery, assaulted an officer, tried to take his gun, and turned back around and charged the officer. Walking down the middle of a residential street doesn't have nothing to do with anything

Are you trolling or are you really this obtuse?

[IGotWorms 4,058]

 

You're hopeless.

 

Who said M.Brown should be killed for walking down the middle of the road? Nobody is implying that. But, It's just one of many actions immediately leading up to the altercation that lends itself to the state of mind of M.Brown that day. Sheesh dude. You're embarrasing yourself.

You keep asking "who does that???" like its some act that in and of itself implies a person is so far gone they probably have to be shot.

 

Only a scared little pissant would think like that, is what I'm really saying

[TD Ryan2 316]

I probably did that as a teenager just being stupid and wanting to mess with adults.

then we agree.

walking down the middle of a double line street is a signal that that someone is rebelling or mischievous or 'up to no good".

thanks for that.

 

As far as getting shot? that happens when you assault a police officer, not when you walk down the middle of the street. Walking down the middle of the street is just a sign that you're up to no good.

[porkbutt 893]

 

Respect, obeying the law.

 

Sure if that's ALL that happened then its no huge deal. But when you add it on with robbing a store and punching a cop its just one more action that validates the assumption M.Brown didn't give an F about anybody else. He just does what he wants to do without regard for store clerk owners, motorists, or....... cops.

 

From testimony:

 

 

Who walks down the middle of a street, one busy enough to be marked with yellow lines, to the point that cars are having to slow down and go around and stuff?

 

It's not some huge deal in and of itself, but it's just one more thing that points to this guy not giving a damn about anything that day.

cop should have just run him over and the whole ordeal would have been avoided

[IGotWorms 4,058]

then we agree.

walking down the middle of a double line street is a signal that that someone is rebelling or mischievous or 'up to no good".

thanks for that.

 

As far as getting shot? that happens when you assault a police officer, not when you walk down the middle of the street. Walking down the middle of the street is just a sign that you're up to no good..

I rate it as about a 1/10 on the scale. Compared to the other 8 or 9 out of 10 acts he committed, I'd say it hardly even warrants mentioning. Which was my point all along - only that it's not a point of emphasis but a very minor footnote in the whole ordeal.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

 

A lot of cops are ex military, so you know they're not very smart to begin with.

yet most are smarter than your average help desk clerk

[KSB2424 3,148]

You keep asking "who does that???" like its some act that in and of itself implies a person is so far gone they probably have to be shot.

 

Only a scared little pissant would think like that, is what I'm really saying

 

Full Retard

 

It's official.

[TD Ryan2 316]

I rate it as about a 1/10 on the scale. Compared to the other 8 or 9 out of 10 acts he committed, I'd say it hardly even warrants mentioning. Which was my point all along - only that it's not a point of emphasis but a very minor footnote in the whole ordeal.

1. if it is the reason the cop stopped, it is a very legit reason - I do not expect any cop to simply drive by and ignore kids or adults walking down the middle of the road

 

2. yes, compared to the other events it is a minor detail, but it is a piece of evidence that supports the the thinking that Brown was "up to no good" that day.

 

Do yo disagree with those 2 points?

[IGotWorms 4,058]

1. if it is the reason the cop stopped, it is a very legit reason - I do not expect any cop to simply drive by and ignore kids or adults walking down the middle of the road

 

2. yes, compared to the other events it is a minor detail, but it is a piece of evidence that supports the the thinking that Brown was "up to no good" that day.

Very minor. To me it's only real relevance is to explain why the officer first made contact with them

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Very minor. To me it's only real relevance is to explain why the officer first made contact with them

Minor? So, now he has probable cause to stop them and see what is up. It all starts from that and with the other stuff, it shows what those in the legal community call a "pattern".

[HenryHill9323 65]

 

Full Retard

 

It's official.

It's also full time with him

[TD Ryan2 316]

Very minor. To me it's only real relevance is to explain why the officer first made contact with them

worms - I don't know the stats on this.

But many "criminals" are caught because of their "very minor" infractions - those stupid, little, minor acts of disorder that draw the attention of a cop and lead to an arrest bc of a warrant for some other, very major crime.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Minor? So, now he has probable cause to stop them and see what is up. It all starts from that and with the other stuff, it shows what those in the legal community call a "pattern".

You ever answer one of those logic questions that asks "which one does not fit with the others"? Try this:

 

Strong armed robbery

Assaulting a police officer

Trying to take a police officer's gun by force

Charging a police officer

Walking in the street

[HenryHill9323 65]

worms - I don't know the stats on this.

But many "criminals" are caught because of their "very minor" infractions - those stupid, little, minor acts of disorder that draw the attention of a cop and lead to an arrest bc of a warrant for some other, very major crime.

Tim McVeigh was caught because he was driving a car without a rear license plate.

 

But driving without out one is a minor issue and doesn't mean you are a criminal.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

worms - I don't know the stats on this.

But many "criminals" are caught because of their "very minor" infractions - those stupid, little, minor acts of disorder that draw the attention of a cop and lead to an arrest bc of a warrant for some other, very major crime.

Yes I know that. I used to prosecute cases. Like I said, it explains how the officer came into initial contact with Brown and that's about it

[KSB2424 3,148]

Minor? So, now he has probable cause to stop them and see what is up. It all starts from that and with the other stuff, it shows what those in the legal community call a "pattern".

 

Not only that but it lends itself to the state of mind of M.Brown just prior. Robs store, is walking down middle of road, attacks police officer, gets shot. Sure one can extract just one part out of the equation and ONLY talk about one peice, but thats not what we're doing. Its simply one part of the pattern of events, its speaks to his state of mind. It's wholly relevant. It's part of the culmination of events that led to the shooting.

[edjr 6,602]

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

You ever answer one of those logic questions that asks "which one does not fit with the others"? Try this:

 

Strong armed robbery

Assaulting a police officer

Trying to take a police officer's gun by force

Charging a police officer

Walking in the street

Man, you are in rare form today. Of course it does not fit with the other things. It is not justification for shooting the kid either. You are so far out there that you can't even comprehend how the walking in the street was the reason that the police and Brown made initial contact. Typically, people who are doing something wrong are not just doing ONE THING wrong. They are often doing multiple things wrong and one of them is what usually gets the bad guy noticed. If you talk with any police detective, they will tell you that the reason that most criminals are caught is because they are stupid, not because of the CSI crap.

[Frank M 181]

There was local protests in and around my city yesterday. This college age white dude was holding up a sign that said "Disarm the Police!"

 

People have gone full retard.

 

They shut down the shoreway heading into Cleveland yesterday. Lots of "No Justice, No Peace" signs.

[TD Ryan2 316]

torridworms

[Cruzer 1,995]

Man, you are in rare form today. Of course it does not fit with the other things. It is not justification for shooting the kid either. You are so far out there that you can't even comprehend how the walking in the street was the reason that the police and Brown made initial contact.

Agreed. I still can't believe people (sane people, not the animals rioting in the streets) are trying to put this on officer Wilson. He asked Brown to move to the side of the street, just as he would have a white alter boy walking down the middle of the road. It escalated from there bcoz Brown was looking for a fight - and he got one.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Man, you are in rare form today. Of course it does not fit with the other things. It is not justification for shooting the kid either. You are so far out there that you can't even comprehend how the walking in the street was the reason that the police and Brown made initial contact. Typically, people who are doing something wrong are not just doing ONE THING wrong. They are often doing multiple things wrong and one of them is what usually gets the bad guy noticed. If you talk with any police detective, they will tell you that the reason that most criminals are caught is because they are stupid, not because of the CSI crap.

 

Worms is trying to extract each instance of the pattern of events and argue them independently. When the only point is that they all go together, as what happened that day leading up to the shooting. One part may be more 'important' than another, but its all relevant.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Man, you are in rare form today. Of course it does not fit with the other things. It is not justification for shooting the kid either. You are so far out there that you can't even comprehend how the walking in the street was the reason that the police and Brown made initial contact. Typically, people who are doing something wrong are not just doing ONE THING wrong. They are often doing multiple things wrong and one of them is what usually gets the bad guy noticed. If you talk with any police detective, they will tell you that the reason that most criminals are caught is because they are stupid, not because of the CSI crap.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I've stated that numerous times already. And believe me, I'm not some idiot under the illusion that most cases are made through CSI type tactics.

 

What I'm responding to is KSB's statements, which he has just doubled down on, that the fact that a teenager is walking down the middle of the street should put you on notice that he will likely need to be shot in self defense

[TD Ryan2 316]

 

They shut down the shoreway heading into Cleveland yesterday. Lots of "No Justice, No Peace" signs.

Frank - I think the general malaise and and anger of the lower and crumbling middle class plays a role in all this.

People are p!ssed off (rightfully so in some cases) that the 'systems' (economic, justice, healthcare, etc) are failing us.

[TD Ryan2 316]

that the fact that a teenager is walking down the middle of the street should put you on notice that he will likely need to be shot in self defense

I did not read that from anything KSB posted.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Agreed. I still can't believe people (sane people, not the animals rioting in the streets) are trying to put this on officer Wilson. He asked Brown to move to the side of the street, just as he would have a white alter boy walking down the middle of the road. It escalated from there bcoz Brown was looking for a fight - and he got one.

Another person with a reading comprehension problem. I am NOT "trying to put this on officer Wilson." The grand jury has spoken and he committed no chargeable offense. Period.

 

All I'm saying is the fact that the kid was walking in the middle of the street has about .01% to do with what happened that day

[KSB2424 3,148]

the fact that a teenager is walking down the middle of the street should put you on notice that he will likely need to be shot in self defense

 

Who the fock ever said that? Dear God you're stupid.

[edjr 6,602]

, that the fact that a teenager is walking down the middle of the street should put you on notice that he will likely need to be shot in self defense

 

Imagine if he were wearing a hoodie