Ferguson - Grand Jury has reached their decision.

[TD Ryan2 316]

Now if evidence and stuff comes out on the contrary to this and it loooks like some sort of racist cop shooting people then thats where anyone in their right mind, changes their mind and wants the cop arrested and burned.

 

exactly

 

I'm hearing lots of complaining about the jury, the prosecutor, yada, yada, yada, yada... and this is all AFTER THAT FACTS.

you shoplifted. you assaulted a cop. you go shot.

 

These are the non-debatable facts.

After that, maybe critics are correct - maybe the prosecutor is a liar, a racist, maybe the cops have a history of illegal behavior, etc, etc, etc - all peripheral to the basic facts here.

[edjr 6,745]

exactly

 

I'm hearing lots of complaining about the jury, the prosecutor, yada, yada, yada, yada... and this is all AFTER THAT FACTS.

you shoplifted. you assaulted a cop. you go shot.

 

 

C'mon, now you're sounding like the board/american racists

 

so you rob a store you get shot? is that the rules now?

[drobeski 3,061]

Biggest tilt in history

[TD Ryan2 316]

Technically he committed a strong armed robbery. Which is a felony I think. Not positive. It was more than simple shoplifting though. Then he assaulted a cop which is definitely a felony.

thanks for the clarification - and understand, even though this is a detail that favors my thinking - it is still just that, a detail.

 

Everyone is arguing over the details, the minutia, the events AFTER THE FACTS. Debate all you want over those things. The simple facts are the a 6'4" man committed a crime, and assaulted a cop while being questioned. The cop had visible marks from the assault. He shot the assailant. The assailant died.

 

minor crime or felony? don't care

prosecutor's an ass whole and friends with tons of cops? don't care

ferguson police have been mean in the past? don't care

black people get stopped more than whites by the police? don't care

[parrot 789]

Some are convinced the 12 members of the Grand Jury are on the take and collectively agreed to let a cop off the hook - including the 3 African American members of the jury. Maybe had they been provided a "link" to the real truth this bad cop would be standing trial....

 

Yeah. It's not enough to have a racist cop, we also have to have a racist or otherwise corrupted Grand Jury, who are so intent on their view that they will issue an incorrect finding even though they know people are just waiting to burn the focking town to the ground. It happens all the time.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

exactly

 

I'm hearing lots of complaining about the jury, the prosecutor, yada, yada, yada, yada... and this is all AFTER THAT FACTS.

you shoplifted. you assaulted a cop. you go shot.

 

These are the non-debatable facts.

After that, maybe critics are correct - maybe the prosecutor is a liar, a racist, maybe the cops have a history of illegal behavior, etc, etc, etc - all peripheral to the basic facts here.

The question in the case was whether the cop needed to shoot him. There was a scuffle in the cop car and yes the cop probably could've shot him then, especially given evidence that Brown reached for the weapon. But then Brown leaves the cop car and walks away some distance (I want to say 50 ft but that's off the top of my head). The cop shoots him then.

 

The question was did the cop need to shoot him dead at that time or did he maybe just shoot Brown because he was motherfocking pissed off (which would be understandable but not cause to shoot someone dead). There was some talk that maybe Brown had turned around and was charging the cop. That would probably necessitate shooting him so that's really what it came down to.

 

The grand jury has spoken and charges are not warranted. It's over. I suppose there's always some chance the Feds act but that would be a travesty, IMO, absent some sort of super-compelling evidence that wasn't submitted to the grand jury (which seems extraordinarily unlikely).

[drobeski 3,061]

thanks for the clarification - and understand, even though this is a detail that favors my thinking - it is still just that, a detail.

 

Everyone is arguing over the details, the minutia, the events AFTER THE FACTS. Debate all you want over those things. The simple facts are the a 6'4" man committed a crime, and assaulted a cop while being questioned. The cop had visible marks from the assault. He shot the assailant. The assailant died.

 

minor crime or felony? don't care

prosecutor's an ass whole and friends with tons of cops? don't care

ferguson police have been mean in the past? don't care

black people get stopped more than whites by the police? don't care

bingo, TDs got bingo!

[HenryHill9323 65]

The question in the case was whether the cop needed to shoot him. There was a scuffle in the cop car and yes the cop probably could've shot him then, especially given evidence that Brown reached for the weapon. But then Brown leaves the cop car and walks away some distance (I want to say 50 ft but that's off the top of my head). The cop shoots him then.

The question was did the cop need to shoot him dead at that time or did he maybe just shoot Brown because he was motherfocking pissed off (which would be understandable but not cause to shoot someone dead). There was some talk that maybe Brown had turned around and was charging the cop. That would probably necessitate shooting him so that's really what it came down to.

The grand jury has spoken and charges are not warranted. It's over. I suppose there's always some chance the Feds act but that would be a travesty, IMO, absent some sort of super-compelling evidence that wasn't submitted to the grand jury.

"Some talk" of Brown charging the cop? In the legal profession it is called eyewitness testimony from multiple sources backed up by forensic evidence.

 

 

I wouldn't expect you to know about all that, though.

[porkbutt 897]

thanks for the clarification - and understand, even though this is a detail that favors my thinking - it is still just that, a detail.

 

Everyone is arguing over the details, the minutia, the events AFTER THE FACTS. Debate all you want over those things. The simple facts are the a 6'4" man committed a crime, and assaulted a cop while being questioned. The cop had visible marks from the assault. He shot the assailant. The assailant died.

 

minor crime or felony? don't care

prosecutor's an ass whole and friends with tons of cops? don't care

ferguson police have been mean in the past? don't care

black people get stopped more than whites by the police? don't care

you left out the fact that you're a righty hack playing politics and a bigot for thinking this way. and most likely you are responsible for the whole ordeal in the first place.

[porkbutt 897]

"Some talk" of Brown charging the cop? In the legal profession it is called eyewitness testimony from multiple sources backed up by forensic evidence.

 

 

I wouldn't expect you to know about all that, though.

:lol:

 

wow if that doesn't leave a mark...

[TD Ryan2 316]

The question in the case was whether the cop needed to shoot him. There was a scuffle in the cop car and yes the cop probably could've shot him then, especially given evidence that Brown reached for the weapon. But then Brown leaves the cop car and walks away some distance (I want to say 50 ft but that's off the top of my head). The cop shoots him then.

 

The question was did the cop need to shoot him dead at that time or did he maybe just shoot Brown because he was motherfocking pissed off (which would be understandable but not cause to shoot someone dead). There was some talk that maybe Brown had turned around and was charging the cop. That would probably necessitate shooting him so that's really what it came down to.

 

The grand jury has spoken and charges are not warranted. It's over. I suppose there's always some chance the Feds act but that would be a travesty, IMO, absent some sort of super-compelling evidence that wasn't submitted to the grand jury (which seems extraordinarily unlikely).

thanks for the details worms - I'm not kidding you when I tell you I haven't watched/read a thing about this until today.

 

Brown is clearly a bad character - hilarious - I see his picture on TV and see all the lawyers, reverends, and community leaders talking about their wonderful young people... REALLY? This guy was a criminal, a thug, a menace to society.

 

So, I guess I'm not sure what happened after he assaulted the cop - but I see NO reason to give any credibility his way. This isn't some nice kid who was abused by the police.

 

for focks sake, they're all carrying on like some National Honor Society, Star Athlete was unfairly targeted by the police.

[Frank M 181]

thanks for the details worms - I'm not kidding you when I tell you I haven't watched/read a thing about this until today.

 

Brown is clearly a bad character - hilarious - I see his picture on TV and see all the lawyers, reverends, and community leaders talking about their wonderful young people... REALLY? This guy was a criminal, a thug, a menace to society.

 

So, I guess I'm not sure what happened after he assaulted the cop - but I see NO reason to give any credibility his way. This isn't some nice kid who was abused by the police.

 

for focks sake, they're all carrying on like some National Honor Society, Star Athlete was unfairly targeted by the police.

 

No, he was not a nice guy, he was a thug, but he was unarmed and shot six times. IMO, the cop had every right to defend himself and it sucks that he had to kill the kid, but there's a middle ground between "Fock that thug, he got what he deserved" and "Another innocent black kid gunned down by racist cops".

[TD Ryan2 316]

 

No, he was not a nice guy, he was a thug, but he was unarmed and shot six times. IMO, the cop had every right to defend himself and it sucks that he had to kill the kid, but there's a middle ground between "Fock that thug, he got what he deserved" and "Another innocent black kid gunned down by racist cops".

I see your point Frank, honestly.

But now you're into that gray area trying to scrutinize what a cop has to do while being threatened in the line of duty. Feels similar to me when people are critical of how our soldiers kill an enemy during a war (a WAR!!!).

The critical people have no clue what that gray area is like - when you are in danger and forced to make the decision to use lethal force, as a cop or a soldier - and to me, this one isn't that hard. A bad guy assaulted a cop and got shot.

[Baker Boy 1,707]

Some are convinced the 12 members of the Grand Jury are on the take and collectively agreed to let a cop off the hook - including the 3 African American members of the jury. Maybe had they been provided a "link" to the real truth this bad cop would be standing trial....

I would like to see that link

[edjr 6,745]

 

No, he was not a nice guy, he was a thug, but he was unarmed and shot six times. IMO, the cop had every right to defend himself and it sucks that he had to kill the kid, but there's a middle ground between "Fock that thug, he got what he deserved" and "Another innocent black kid gunned down by racist cops".

 

 

Imagine if cops could just go around shooting thugs willy nilly? prison's would be filled with Martha Stewarts and Bernie Madoffs?

[TD Ryan2 316]

 

 

Imagine if cops could just go around shooting thugs WHO ASSAULT THEM

I don't have to imagine this ed- they do, they can, they should.

 

If they didn't all the cops would get shot and all the thugs would be armed with Glocks.

[edjr 6,745]

I don't have to imagine this ed- they do, they can, they should.

 

If they didn't all the cops would get shot and all the thugs would be armed with Glocks.

 

You have WAY too much trust in police

[Baker Boy 1,707]

black people get stopped more than whites by the police? don't care

70% of the victims of violent crime not committed by a family member or a friend report their assailant as black.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

Ever notice that that about 99% of people who get shot by the police initiated the contact.

[KSB2424 3,167]

I see your point Frank, honestly.

But now you're into that gray area trying to scrutinize what a cop has to do while being threatened in the line of duty. Feels similar to me when people are critical of how our soldiers kill an enemy during a war (a WAR!!!).

The critical people have no clue what that gray area is like - when you are in danger and forced to make the decision to use lethal force, as a cop or a soldier - and to me, this one isn't that hard. A bad guy assaulted a cop and got shot.

 

Yes, but if you do whittle it down a bit though the grey area for me is if, in this particular case the officer was chasing the suspect, the suspect was running and the officer just started firing into the back of the perp. That is excessive force and I could see a trial to better determine if excessive lethal force was needed. I wouldn't go all "racial" about it as the cop got caught up in the violent moment and wasn't just going around shooting folks for no reason and went to far (in this example) but I would get that a trial is needed.

 

But it would have to be a situation like that. And that was not the stiuation here.

 

They tried to make up stuff to make it seem that way, but it was all shenanigans based on all the evidence, forensics, testimony, common sense etc.

[TD Ryan2 316]

 

Yes, but if you do whittle it down a bit though the grey area for me is if, in this particular case the officer was chasing the suspect, the suspect was running and the officer just started firing into the back of the perp. That is excessive force and I could see a trial to better determine if excessive lethal force was needed. I wouldn't go all "racial" about it as the cop got caught up in the violent moment and wasn't just going around shooting folks for no reason and went to far (in this example) but I would get that a trial is needed.

 

But it would have to be a situation like that. And that was not the stiuation here.

 

They tried to make up stuff to make it seem that way, but it was all shenanigans based on all the evidence, forensics, testimony, common sense etc.

yup.

I completely agree.

[remote controller 143]

Any guesses as to whether or not ISIS is there and actively recruiting?

[BunnysBastatrds 2,541]

Our obsession with watching doesn't make the rioters riot, but it certainly doesn't help to calm things down when there are 900 news trucks in the area ready to broadcast the violence just in case the grand jury declines to indict.

 

It's fuel to the fire. We want to see it, they want to do it, the 24 hour news outlets give us our reality tv.

 

 

After Katrina, the morgue was flooded so they stored bodies in refrigerated trucks until they could do an autopsy and them and identify them. Once identified they would notify the family and release them. One day I was down at the make shift morgue trying to get an autopsy report and photographs for a claim I was handling. I was talking the pathologist about the case outside while he had a smoke. He was your typical old crusty white guy who had seen it all and was working those last few years so he could get his full retirement. While we were talking, a family that had been notified that their son had been identified and that the cause of death was a gunshot showed up. He was killed in the streets during the aftermath of Katrina. The family was very critical of the amount of time it took to identify him and it became a local news story. Never mind that there were two thousand other bodies that had to be identified while working in sh!tty conditions. Stop what you're doing for us or else.

 

So the family shows up with all the local news stations in tow. While the news reporters and cameras are being set up, the pathologist says I need to stay for the fireworks. Me: What's up with this? Pathologist: The family was notified that their son was finally identified. They know he's been in here for months but they have been demanding that we drop everything we're doing for them. See the family now? Calm and collected. (There were about five black wemens aged 20-60, and one black man about 25 years old).

 

The reporters are there to interview the family about the length of time it took to identify the son. Not that he's been murdered. They knew this months ago. Lights,camera action. As soon as the cameras turn on, the family goes from talking rationally to full hysterics. Mama Bear: O Lord Jesus Christ! Holy sh!t! Mother of God O Lord Jesus Christ no! And then faints. The man there catches her and the rest of the wemen are just as hysterical trying to console her while the one man in the family there holds her up with a look on his face that says"Damn Mama, you heavy". So this plays out for a few minutes until the cameras stop rolling. The very second the cameras stop, Mama Bear can all of a sudden stand on her own two feet. No more hyterics. No more "O sh!it Jesus Christ!!!" Mama Bear:Ya'll wanna stop at Popeyes on the way home?

 

I thinks it's in some peoples DNA to be seen dramatically.

[HenryHill9323 65]

After Katrina, the morgue was flooded so they stored bodies in refrigerated trucks until they could do an autopsy and them and identify them. Once identified they would notify the family and release them. One day I was down at the make shift morgue trying to get an autopsy report and photographs for a claim I was handling. I was talking the pathologist about the case outside while he had a smoke. He was your typical old crusty white guy who had seen it all and was working those last few years so he could get his full retirement. While we were talking, a family that had been notified that their son had been identified and that the cause of death was a gunshot showed up. He was killed in the streets during the aftermath of Katrina. The family was very critical of the amount of time it took to identify him and it became a local news story. Never mind that there were two thousand other bodies that had to be identified while working in sh!tty conditions. Stop what you're doing for us or else.

 

So the family shows up with all the local news stations in tow. While the news reporters and cameras are being set up, the pathologist says I need to stay for the fireworks. Me: What's up with this? Pathologist: The family was notified that their son was finally identified. They know he's been in here for months but they have been demanding that we drop everything we're doing for them. See the family now? Calm and collected. (There were about five black wemens aged 20-60, and one black man about 25 years old).

 

The reporters are there to interview the family about the length of time it took to identify the son. Not that he's been murdered. They knew this months ago. Lights,camera action. As soon as the cameras turn on, the family goes from talking rationally to full hysterics. Mama Bear: O Lord Jesus Christ! Holy sh!t! Mother of God O Lord Jesus Christ no! And then faints. The man there catches her and the rest of the wemen are just as hysterical trying to console her while the one man in the family there holds her up with a look on his face that says"Damn Mama, you heavy". So this plays out for a few minutes until the cameras stop rolling. The very second the cameras stop, Mama Bear can all of a sudden stand on her own two feet. No more hyterics. No more "O sh!it Jesus Christ!!!" Mama Bear:Ya'll wanna stop at Popeyes on the way home?

 

I thinks it's in some peoples DNA to be seen dramatically.

 

You are a racist. You made up the Popeyes part.

[edjr 6,745]

 

 

After Katrina, the morgue was flooded so they stored bodies in refrigerated trucks until they could do an autopsy and them and identify them. Once identified they would notify the family and release them. One day I was down at the make shift morgue trying to get an autopsy report and photographs for a claim I was handling. I was talking the pathologist about the case outside while he had a smoke. He was your typical old crusty white guy who had seen it all and was working those last few years so he could get his full retirement. While we were talking, a family that had been notified that their son had been identified and that the cause of death was a gunshot showed up. He was killed in the streets during the aftermath of Katrina. The family was very critical of the amount of time it took to identify him and it became a local news story. Never mind that there were two thousand other bodies that had to be identified while working in sh!tty conditions. Stop what you're doing for us or else.

 

So the family shows up with all the local news stations in tow. While the news reporters and cameras are being set up, the pathologist says I need to stay for the fireworks. Me: What's up with this? Pathologist: The family was notified that their son was finally identified. They know he's been in here for months but they have been demanding that we drop everything we're doing for them. See the family now? Calm and collected. (There were about five black wemens aged 20-60, and one black man about 25 years old).

 

The reporters are there to interview the family about the length of time it took to identify the son. Not that he's been murdered. They knew this months ago. Lights,camera action. As soon as the cameras turn on, the family goes from talking rationally to full hysterics. Mama Bear: O Lord Jesus Christ! Holy sh!t! Mother of God O Lord Jesus Christ no! And then faints. The man there catches her and the rest of the wemen are just as hysterical trying to console her while the one man in the family there holds her up with a look on his face that says"Damn Mama, you heavy". So this plays out for a few minutes until the cameras stop rolling. The very second the cameras stop, Mama Bear can all of a sudden stand on her own two feet. No more hyterics. No more "O sh!it Jesus Christ!!!" Mama Bear:Ya'll wanna stop at Popeyes on the way home?

 

I thinks it's in some peoples DNA to be seen dramatically.

 

 

I called out a darkie for cutting me on the subway just this morning.

 

She went all full i'm black I can do/say what I want and continued cursing at me once we got on the subway.

 

I shuffled away and ignored her and she still continued to be black at me, on a completely full subway.

 

Of course this was the 1 day of the year I forgot my headphones. Unreal

[remote controller 143]

I wonder why Angry White Males don't riot and protest? I mean are they really Angry?????

[BunnysBastatrds 2,541]

Holder shouldn't have been involved or raised the possibility of civil rights charges at all. Obummer needs to learn that he's not obligated to have a public opinion on everything that happens in the country.

 

I looked up the "stay the course" thing and it looks like this is widely reported by right-wing websites for extremely thin-skinned and easily outraged folks, in addition to just being quoted out of context by RP (shocking I know):

 

 

So Al Sharpton claims that Obummer told him to stay the course and keep peace. What an outrage.

 

Posts like this are why I don't take any political threads here seriously. I could sit around all day playing whack-a-mole with the latest right-wing manufactured phony outrage whinefest but there's no point. As evidenced in the Benghazi thread even when these clowns are proven wrong they just move on to their next sobby woman crybaby scandal.

 

The media isn't responsible for protesting, neither is the Republican or Democratic party, the cops or the White House. The only people responsible are the people doing it.

 

 

Didn't Obama say "We should all listen to the Brown family."? Weii, some did. The stepfather is quoted saying "Burn this b!tch down!!!" several times.

[porkbutt 897]

 

 

I called out a darkie for cutting me on the subway just this morning.

 

She went all full i'm black I can do/say what I want and continued cursing at me once we got on the subway.

 

I shuffled away and ignored her and she still continued to be black at me, on a completely full subway.

 

Of course this was the 1 day of the year I forgot my headphones. Unreal

when they go into that mode there is nothing that can be said or done to make them return to rationality. just run

[drobeski 3,061]

I wonder why Angry White Males don't riot and protest? I mean are they really Angry?????

they were busy on low rent message boards, blaming fellow whites for the riots.

[wiffleball 4,793]

As big a fan of the po po that I am, can ANYBODY here seriously say they've even considered rushing a cop and grabbing for his gun?

[edjr 6,745]

when they go into that mode there is nothing that can be said or done to make them return to rationality. just run

 

She like wanted to fight me. It wasn't just words.

 

I would have loved to focking headbutt her.

[remote controller 143]

She'd have killed you Ed.

[edjr 6,745]

She'd have killed you Ed.

 

Think she had a knife or a gun?

[drobeski 3,061]

 

Think she had a knife or a gun?

a sharpened edge ebt card

[porkbutt 897]

After Katrina, the morgue was flooded so they stored bodies in refrigerated trucks until they could do an autopsy and them and identify them. Once identified they would notify the family and release them. One day I was down at the make shift morgue trying to get an autopsy report and photographs for a claim I was handling. I was talking the pathologist about the case outside while he had a smoke. He was your typical old crusty white guy who had seen it all and was working those last few years so he could get his full retirement. While we were talking, a family that had been notified that their son had been identified and that the cause of death was a gunshot showed up. He was killed in the streets during the aftermath of Katrina. The family was very critical of the amount of time it took to identify him and it became a local news story. Never mind that there were two thousand other bodies that had to be identified while working in sh!tty conditions. Stop what you're doing for us or else.

 

So the family shows up with all the local news stations in tow. While the news reporters and cameras are being set up, the pathologist says I need to stay for the fireworks. Me: What's up with this? Pathologist: The family was notified that their son was finally identified. They know he's been in here for months but they have been demanding that we drop everything we're doing for them. See the family now? Calm and collected. (There were about five black wemens aged 20-60, and one black man about 25 years old).

 

The reporters are there to interview the family about the length of time it took to identify the son. Not that he's been murdered. They knew this months ago. Lights,camera action. As soon as the cameras turn on, the family goes from talking rationally to full hysterics. Mama Bear: O Lord Jesus Christ! Holy sh!t! Mother of God O Lord Jesus Christ no! And then faints. The man there catches her and the rest of the wemen are just as hysterical trying to console her while the one man in the family there holds her up with a look on his face that says"Damn Mama, you heavy". So this plays out for a few minutes until the cameras stop rolling. The very second the cameras stop, Mama Bear can all of a sudden stand on her own two feet. No more hyterics. No more "O sh!it Jesus Christ!!!" Mama Bear:Ya'll wanna stop at Popeyes on the way home?

 

I thinks it's in some peoples DNA to be seen dramatically.

mike browns mom....wasn't she preaching peace and calm just before this...

[edjr 6,745]

a sharpened edge ebt card

 

[Frank M 181]

I see your point Frank, honestly.

But now you're into that gray area trying to scrutinize what a cop has to do while being threatened in the line of duty. Feels similar to me when people are critical of how our soldiers kill an enemy during a war (a WAR!!!).

The critical people have no clue what that gray area is like - when you are in danger and forced to make the decision to use lethal force, as a cop or a soldier - and to me, this one isn't that hard. A bad guy assaulted a cop and got shot.

 

Agree 100%. If I was the cop, I would be thinking "better him than me" from the moment it happened. It's impossible to fault the guy.

 

Here's the only issue with this case. Witnesses said that the kid was not charging the cop when he got killed. The cop and other witnesses said he was. Now that the evidence has been presented, it supports the cop's version. Unfortunately, too many talking heads, too many activists, and too many jackasses looking to cause trouble no matter what have built this into a massive, Rodney King sitution.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Well we had three morons that didn't see this coming.

 

Hey morons! Why do you think they were wearing masks.

 

Thanks for proving you are just here to sling insults and not really have a discussion. I already knew this about you...but another confirmation is always nice.

 

Wearing masks is not illegal in a protest...nor should it be.

[TD Ryan2 316]

 

Agree 100%. If I was the cop, I would be thinking "better him than me" from the moment it happened. It's impossible to fault the guy.

 

Here's the only issue with this case. Witnesses said that the kid was not charging the cop when he got killed. The cop and other witnesses said he was. Now that the evidence has been presented, it supports the cop's version. Unfortunately, too many talking heads, too many activists, and too many jackasses looking to cause trouble no matter what have built this into a massive, Rodney King sitution.

all good Frank.

agreed.

 

so now it comes down to whether Brown charged back at the cop? Based on all the facts, actions, behavior up to this point- - Brown has no credibility, the cop has all of it.

And the witnesses are 50/50 on what happened... I'm not sure how much credibility I give anyone in that community right now.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

:lol:

 

wow if that doesn't leave a mark...

How did that "leave a mark"? Just some bullsh1t troll spouting nonsense. You must be pretty dumb to eat that up