Aaron Hernandez verdict - Guilty.

[GobbleDog 1,010]

Sports radio keep saying "We think we know these players watching Peyton Manning and those guys on Sunday's, but it just goes to show you never really know a person."

 

 

Everyone knew what kind of person Hernandez was.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

link ? proof? 6-10

 

Memmber Since 29-October 99

 

 

A founding member tardo

 

 

Ah ha. Proving my point ball bag! Any real patriots fan would know what I was referring to with 46-10. The Jan 2002 part should have been a clue as well there ,John Hannah. Just another M-Hole johnny come lately douche with a baseball hat on at the dinner table.

[GobbleDog 1,010]

For the record, I'm totally opposed to the automatic Life-With-No-Parole sentence Hernandez got.

 

How can you pass sentence without knowing the facts of the case? That's ridiculous.

[Strike 6,019]

For the record, I'm totally opposed to the automatic Life-With-No-Parole sentence Hernandez got.

 

How can you pass sentence without knowing the facts of the case? That's ridiculous.

 

Can you unpack this a bit?

[Thornton Melon 648]

For the record, I'm totally opposed to the automatic Life-With-No-Parole sentence Hernandez got.

 

How can you pass sentence without knowing the facts of the case? That's ridiculous.

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

Anyone equating this to the Patriots issue is an idiot.

[parrot 789]

 

He will be out before the Eagles win a Super Bowl.

[HenryHill9323 65]

He will be out before the Eagles win a Super Bowl.

 

[HenryHill9323 65]

 

 

Everyone knew what kind of person Hernandez was.

Apparently, the uber genius Cheatriot organization couldn't figure it out.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Sports radio keep saying "We think we know these players watching Peyton Manning and those guys on Sunday's, but it just goes to show you never really know a person."

 

 

Everyone knew what kind of person Hernandez was.

Everyone knew he was a psycho murderer?

[drobeski 3,061]

Ah ha. Proving my point ball bag! Any real patriots fan would know what I was referring to with 46-10. The Jan 2002 part should have been a clue as well there ,John Hannah. Just another M-Hole johnny come lately douche with a baseball hat on at the dinner table.

ofcurse you were ...big whoop i remember the gsme well, doesnt change 6-10 tardo

[drobeski 3,061]

Anyone equating this to the Patriots issue is an idiot.

gets it, this time

[GobbleDog 1,010]

 

Can you unpack this a bit?

 

Automatic sentences are created by "tough on crime" politicians pandering to the (m)asses.

 

Judges know the facts of the case and know which sentence is appropriate. Not some politician who's passing sentence on every future case he knows nothing about. Sounds like something they'd do in the Middle East.

[HenryHill9323 65]

Automatic sentences are created by "tough on crime" politicians pandering to the (m)asses.

 

Judges know the facts of the case and know which sentence is appropriate. Not some politician who's passing sentence on every future case he knows nothing about. Sounds like something they'd do in the Middle East.

He was also charges with 2nd degree murder. The jury, who heard all the facts, decided against that in favor of first degree murder.

 

I like the idea that some soft on crime judge didn't have the opportunity to give this scum 15 years.

[kutulu 1,703]

Do the patriots get a compensatory pick?

[Strike 6,019]

 

Automatic sentences are created by "tough on crime" politicians pandering to the (m)asses.

 

Judges know the facts of the case and know which sentence is appropriate. Not some politician who's passing sentence on every future case he knows nothing about. Sounds like something they'd do in the Middle East.

 

For any given crime there are certain givens. For 1st degree murder you have premeditation, and killing someone else. Society has determined that there is a certain minimum sentence for those parameters. I have no problem with that. What would you propose is a fair sentence for picking a "friend" up, taking him to a deserted warehouse parking lot, and shooting him 6 times including 2 times at point blank range when he was lying in the dirt?

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

link ? proof? 6-10

 

Memmber Since 29-October 99

 

 

A founding member tardo

 

 

 

Oh wow, you're a founding member of a sub-category on a free fantasy football message board, where the qualifications to be a member are an internet connection, a screen name and a password. Bravo! Not quite like being a founding member of something, let's say important, like weight watchers, but good for you! 1999 you say? I was 33 and living the life of a red blooded American man. Drinking, fighting, f-ing. While you sat with giants fan and northern vike complaining about Clinton on a subset of a fantasy message board. Good times.

[frank 2,345]

link ? proof? 6-10

Memmber Since 29-October 99

A founding member tardo

Oh wow, you're a founding member of a sub-category on a free fantasy football message board, where the qualifications to be a member are an internet connection, a screen name and a password. Bravo! Not quite like being a founding member of something, let's say important, like weight watchers, but good for you! 1999 you say? I was 33 and living the life of a red blooded American man. Drinking, fighting, f-ing. While you sat with giants fan and northern vike complaining about Clinton on a subset of a fantasy message board. Good times.

Anyone who joined after Oct 28, 1999 is lame anyway.

[GobbleDog 1,010]

 

For any given crime there are certain givens. For 1st degree murder you have premeditation, and killing someone else. Society has determined that there is a certain minimum sentence for those parameters. I have no problem with that. What would you propose is a fair sentence...

 

I don't have a problem with a judge sentencing him to life in prison with no parole. I do have a problem with a politician who didn't hear the case doing it. Minimum sentencing laws create miscarriages of justice. Just let the judge decide.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

 

I don't have a problem with a judge sentencing him to life in prison with no parole. I do have a problem with a politician who didn't hear the case doing it. Minimum sentencing laws create miscarriages of justice. Just let the judge decide.

 

 

 

You make a valid point, but you have to pick a different case than this to make that point.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

RLLD is a focking nutball

 

And MB is an insufferable doosh

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

RLLD is a focking nutball

 

And MB is an insufferable doosh

 

 

 

Coming from the guy who is mocked incessantly around here, since the day I joined.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Coming from the guy who is mocked incessantly around here, since the day I joined.

Look who does that mocking and it answers that.

You seem to be disliked by people of all different political affiliation

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Look who does that mocking and it answers that.

You seem to be disliked by people of all different political affiliation

He is a uniter

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

Look who does that mocking and it answers that.

You seem to be disliked by people of all different political affiliation

 

 

Who are you again? Right wing or liberal? You don't stand out for whatever reason. Probably dull

[GobbleDog 1,010]

you have to pick a different case than this to make that point.

 

If the judge wasn't bound to an automatic sentence, do you think Hernandez would have gotten life-no-parole?

 

Possibly, but unlikely. Hernandez is 24. If he lives to say 84, what's really the point in keeping him the remaining 5+ years of his life other than to pay his medical bills? Spite, 60 years later?

[jerryskids 7,085]

 

I don't have a problem with a judge sentencing him to life in prison with no parole. I do have a problem with a politician who didn't hear the case doing it. Minimum sentencing laws create miscarriages of justice. Just let the judge decide.

 

I'm mostly with you on this. Mandatory sentences are in general dumb for the reasons you mentioned. "Three strikes and you are out" was epic dumb IMO. But Strike has a good point about Murder 1; there isn't a lot of room for judicial discretion, as that is as bad as it gets. If you won't do the death penalty then that is the next obvious solution. I'm not quite convinced about a required sentence which dooms you for life though; kinda throws away the argument for rehabilitation. I could envision Murder 1 convictions where sentencing discretion might be justified, so I have convinced myself that I agree with you. For what it's worth, life without parole is totally the right call in this place, because his act was pure evil.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

If the judge wasn't bound to an automatic sentence, do you think Hernandez would have gotten life-no-parole?

For a cold-blooded premeditated murder? And there would've been more that came out at sentencing - unlike at trial you can get in all kinds of sh1t at sentencing. So there probably would've been speculation that he killed Lloyd because Lloyd knew stuff about the other murders, for example.

 

I don't think mandatory sentencing made much of a difference in this case. But in many others it does

[Sho Nuff 720]

Who are you again? Right wing or liberal? You don't stand out for whatever reason. Probably dull

You stand out for all the wrong reasons.

 

Good bye

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

You stand out for all the wrong reasons.

 

Good bye

o

 

 

 

 

I doubt it. See you around.

[GobbleDog 1,010]

 

Murder 1; there isn't a lot of room for judicial discretion, as that is as bad as it gets. If you won't do the death penalty then that is the next obvious solution.

 

An 18 y.o. who shoots someone is often just a dumb kid. A 40 y.o. who stabs multiple people 50+ times is a sick nut. There's room for sentencing discretion.

[jerryskids 7,085]

 

An 18 y.o. who shoots someone is often just a dumb kid. A 40 y.o. who stabs multiple people 50+ times is a sick nut. There's room for sentencing discretion.

 

Well yeah, I came to that conclusion in the rest of my post which you chose not to quote. Although I don't see age as the primary factor; a 40 yr old could plan a murder out of passion, and an 18 yr old could be evil like Hernandez.

[GobbleDog 1,010]

 

Well yeah, I came to that conclusion in the rest of my post which you chose not to quote. Although I don't see age as the primary factor; a 40 yr old could plan a murder out of passion, and an 18 yr old could be evil like Hernandez.

 

oh yeah, you did conclude that. I read that now.

 

I think life may have been a bit extreme in Hernandez's case, but close enough. I was thinking 40+ years, then parole potential. But I ain't losing sleep over it - it was cold-blooded.

[Giants Fan 85]

How stupid can you be, to have DNA on yer dumbass Bubalishious chewing gum, LITERALY connected to a shell casing found at the scene. And then be caught on your own security cameras, with a gun.

 

Yer too stupid, you deserve to go to prison.

[edjr 6,898]

This board has become like 95% shtick

[Mike Honcho 5,432]

He should of tried to plea deal by selling out Belichick & the Patriots.

[edjr 6,898]

He should of tried to plea deal by selling out Belichick & the Patriots.

 

That's a great call.

 

Any smart lawyer would have known that this is all about catching BB and the Patriots deflating footballs.

 

Had Aaron just took a deal and sold out the Patriots, he'd be home today.

[Baker Boy 1,710]

Automatic sentences are created by "tough on crime" politicians pandering to the (m)asses.

 

Judges know the facts of the case and know which sentence is appropriate. Not some politician who's passing sentence on every future case he knows nothing about. Sounds like something they'd do in the Middle East.

An Orange County Superior Court judge knocked a child rapist's mandatory sentence of 25-years-to-life down to 10 years because the suspect "did not intend to harm" the toddler he assaulted.

 

It's a rare legal move that Judge M. Marc Kelly employed Friday on Kevin Jonas Rojano, 20, who was convicted on Dec. 3 of sodomizing a 3-year-old girl in his garage, according to the Orange County Register.

 

Rojano was playing video games in the garage of his Santa Ana, California home on June 4 last year when the victim wandered in. Rojano reportedly became sexually aroused by the child, whom he's related to, and pulled her pants down to sexually assault her. During the attack, the girl's mom was looking for her. Rojano continued to abuse her and held her mouth shut so her mom couldn't hear her call out, prosecutors say.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/07/kevin-rojano-child-rapist-sentence-reduced_n_7019762.html

[Mike Honcho 5,432]

An Orange County Superior Court judge knocked a child rapist's mandatory sentence of 25-years-to-life down to 10 years because the suspect "did not intend to harm" the toddler he assaulted.

 

It's a rare legal move that Judge M. Marc Kelly employed Friday on Kevin Jonas Rojano, 20, who was convicted on Dec. 3 of sodomizing a 3-year-old girl in his garage, according to the Orange County Register.

 

Rojano was playing video games in the garage of his Santa Ana, California home on June 4 last year when the victim wandered in. Rojano reportedly became sexually aroused by the child, whom he's related to, and pulled her pants down to sexually assault her. During the attack, the girl's mom was looking for her. Rojano continued to abuse her and held her mouth shut so her mom couldn't hear her call out, prosecutors say.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/07/kevin-rojano-child-rapist-sentence-reduced_n_7019762.html

 

And this story relates to the thread how?

[HenryHill9323 65]

And this story relates to the thread how?

 

I would say it makes anyone who opposes mandatory sentences look foolish. That kind of dumbassery is what they eliminate. This clown clearly overstepped his authority and this will end up being reversed.