Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted September 9, 2015 Martz says the league changed it. What can I say? I can't help it if he's mistaken. That is the whole point. Years later, you get guys who misremember and have agendas. ESPN preys on sheeple like you guys to buy those anonymous or mistaken memories as the basis of "journalism". Proof be damned. BTW - I do believe that some of the story is true. I have no doubt that people were going through the trash looking for playbooks in visitor locker rooms and in team hotels. It has been going on for decades and long before Belichick. Heck, Parcells used to freak out as coach of the Patriots when there was a helicopter flying overhead because he thought teams were spying. There have been guys hiding in bushes before walkthroughs since before Belichick was in charge in NE. This is not new stuff and things that we heard back during Spygate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobby heenan 60 Posted September 9, 2015 bill simmons destroyed all of you Bill Simmons @BillSimmons Sep 8 Hey Seahawks fans - you should claim that Belichick knew your signals on this play. Get in on the pity party! http://youtu.be/RgloErF-H2c View media1,384 retweets1,574 favorites Reply Retweet 1.4K Favorite 1.6K More Bill Simmons @BillSimmons Sep 8 Yeah baby. http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/results/superbowl … 143 retweets396 favorites Reply Retweet 143 Favorite 396 Bill Simmons @BillSimmons Sep 8 And I'm happy for Carolina - went 14-18 in the seasons before & after SB38, heavy underdogs in 03 playoffs, but somehow robbed of a title. 1,563 retweets1,561 favorites Reply Retweet 1.6K Favorite 1.6K More Bill Simmons @BillSimmons Sep 8 And I'm happy for the Colts - who kept blowing big games to NE until Polian got the NFL to change the passing rules, but now have an excuse. 1,934 retweets1,937 favorites Reply Retweet 1.9K Favorite 1.9K More Bill Simmons @BillSimmons Sep 8 And I'm happy for the Eagles - who fell apart down stretch in SB39 like they did in 20 other McNabb/Reid games but now have a good excuse. 1,978 retweets1,898 favorites Reply Retweet 2K Favorite 1.9K More Bill Simmons @BillSimmons Sep 8 And I'm happy for Rams - who scored a TD on their only SB36 red zone appearance but can now blame the Pats for stealing red zone signals. 1,952 retweets1,888 favorites Reply Retweet 2K Favorite 1.9K More Bill Simmons @BillSimmons Sep 8 I'm just happy the 2001 Steelers can blame stolen signals for losing and not their special teams breakdown or Kordell shitting the bed. 1,890 retweets2,084 favorites Reply Retweet 1.9K Favorite 2.1K More Bill Simmons @BillSimmons Sep 8 Also doesn't explain the Patriots' ongoing success from game 2 2007 through SB 49 which mirrored their success from 2001 thru game 1 2007. 1,399 retweets1,490 favorites Reply Retweet 1.4K Favorite 1.5K More like i said...when this years all over...the pats will have prob won at least 12 games...prob another afc east title.....and you will all be looking for your next excuse....something new....for the pats it will ho hum business as usual....and youll all be scratching your heads lookin for the newest way theyve discovered to "Cheat".....what will you guys come up with? .....and if the pats lose a playoff game youll say "see they couldnt win the big one because they couldnt cheat"....because thats how pathetic most of you are Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaBeerz 88 Posted September 9, 2015 Where is the proof though? Trust me I hate the PATS and would love to see them get skewered for this, but it's not what you suspect or what you know, it's what you can prove. What proof supports these allegations? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted September 9, 2015 I think Brady is going to throw 75 passes tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted September 9, 2015 bill simmons destroyed all of you 45] 45]Bill Simmons @BillSimmons Sep 8 45] Hey Seahawks fans - you should claim that Belichick knew your signals on this play. Get in on the pity party! http://youtu.be/RgloErF-H2c View media1,384 retweets1,574 favorites Reply Retweet 1.4K Favorite 1.6K More 45] Bill Simmons @BillSimmons Sep 8 45] Yeah baby. http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/results/superbowl 143 retweets396 favorites Reply Retweet 143 Favorite 396 45]Bill Simmons @BillSimmons Sep 8 45] And I'm happy for Carolina - went 14-18 in the seasons before & after SB38, heavy underdogs in 03 playoffs, but somehow robbed of a title. 1,563 retweets1,561 favorites Reply Retweet 1.6K Favorite 1.6K More 45] Bill Simmons @BillSimmons Sep 8 45] And I'm happy for the Colts - who kept blowing big games to NE until Polian got the NFL to change the passing rules, but now have an excuse. 1,934 retweets1,937 favorites Reply Retweet 1.9K Favorite 1.9K More 45] Bill Simmons @BillSimmons Sep 8 45] And I'm happy for the Eagles - who fell apart down stretch in SB39 like they did in 20 other McNabb/Reid games but now have a good excuse. 1,978 retweets1,898 favorites Reply Retweet 2K Favorite 1.9K More 45] 45] Bill Simmons @BillSimmons Sep 8 And I'm happy for Rams - who scored a TD on their only SB36 red zone appearance but can now blame the Pats for stealing red zone signals. 1,952 retweets1,888 favorites Reply Retweet 2K Favorite 1.9K More 45]Bill Simmons @BillSimmons Sep 8 45] I'm just happy the 2001 Steelers can blame stolen signals for losing and not their special teams breakdown or Kordell shitting the bed. 1,890 retweets2,084 favorites Reply Retweet 1.9K Favorite 2.1K More 45]Bill Simmons @BillSimmons Sep 8 45] Also doesn't explain the Patriots' ongoing success from game 2 2007 through SB 49 which mirrored their success from 2001 thru game 1 2007. 1,399 retweets1,490 favorites Reply Retweet 1.4K Favorite 1.5K More like i said...when this years all over...the pats will have prob won at least 12 games...prob another afc east title.....and you will all be looking for your next excuse....something new....for the pats it will ho hum business as usual....and youll all be scratching your heads lookin for the newest way theyve discovered to "Cheat".....what will you guys come up with? .....and if the pats lose a playoff game youll say "see they couldnt win the big one because they couldnt cheat"....because thats how pathetic most of you are How come this childish frat boy didn't mention the Giants? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted September 9, 2015 That is the whole point. Years later, you get guys who misremember and have agendas. ESPN preys on sheeple like you guys to buy those anonymous or mistaken memories as the basis of "journalism". Proof be damned. BTW - I do believe that some of the story is true. I have no doubt that people were going through the trash looking for playbooks in visitor locker rooms and in team hotels. It has been going on for decades and long before Belichick. Heck, Parcells used to freak out as coach of the Patriots when there was a helicopter flying overhead because he thought teams were spying. There have been guys hiding in bushes before walkthroughs since before Belichick was in charge in NE. This is not new stuff and things that we heard back during Spygate. I believe it all. Once someone lies and/or cheats they lose the benefit of the doubt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Postman 3 Posted September 9, 2015 Im not denying that they filmed coaches and been saying through this entire post that thought it was pretty clear they did alot more than what the NFL originally said. If you are calling me a fool for calling BS on these "anonymous" sources then yes i am a fool. Anyone who has followed the circus for the last 7 months should know not to trust reports until it is proven. Along with the report that ESPN appologized for in the video above one of their reports left a false tweet up for months after it was known that the information in it was wrong. So until these sources actually come out and tell how they know this then i am sticking to what i know. The Patriots filmed coaches/players to try to get their plays. So if you do not see my reasoning then you are the one looking like a fool. How many times can people report false information before people will question it? I dont trust anyone They cheated. Get over it. It affects everyone in that organization, legacywise. Should keep many of them out of the Hall. Just my opinion, time will tell what impact this will have, but this thing will only grow from here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted September 9, 2015 Where is the proof though? Trust me I hate the PATS and would love to see them get skewered for this, but it's not what you suspect or what you know, it's what you can prove. What proof supports these allegations? Read the report. Goodell made sure to destroy everything then went around making sure everyone was on the same page i.e. down play it or deny it. We were told it was only 8 tapes from 2006 to 2007 but in reality it was 40+ from 2000 to 2007. You can't produce evidence that was all destroyed. Now it's just testimony that the Patriots and fans pooh pooh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted September 9, 2015 I believe it all. Once someone lies and/or cheats they lose the benefit of the doubt. ESPN is reporting that unnamed sources saw Belichick stand in the way of a player taking a punt return to the house in a game. Oh, wait. Maybe it was someone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted September 9, 2015 Well if Wines Hard said it, it must be true. https://youtu.be/HCwOPhsMScM?t=10m39s So Polamalu bites on the underneath route - even though, by his own teammate and coach's admission, he is supposed to be giving deep help - Brady reads it and hits Branch RIGHT WHERE TROY IS SUPPOSED TO BE, but the Pats must have cheated. Talk about your salt. Wow, except Ward is an offensive player and was complaining about the Pats defense knowing their calls. Facepalm indeed... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaBeerz 88 Posted September 9, 2015 Read the report. Goodell made sure to destroy everything then went around making sure everyone was on the same page i.e. down play it or deny it. We were told it was only 8 tapes from 2006 to 2007 but in reality it was 40+ from 2000 to 2007. You can't produce evidence that was all destroyed. Now it's just testimony that the Patriots and fans pooh pooh. Exactly so someone is saying from someone that the commish destroyed the smoking gun...so unfortunately there is still no proof only heresay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted September 9, 2015 Exactly so someone is saying from someone that the commish destroyed the smoking gun...so unfortunately there is still no proof only heresay. People have been sent to jail on the basis of testimony alone. Lack of evidence does NOT prove someone is innocent. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted September 9, 2015 Wow, except Ward is an offensive player and was complaining about the Pats defense knowing their calls. Facepalm indeed... That was more a general comment on Wines being his usual b!tch self, since that wasn't even the game the article referenced in the article. HTH. The rest of it was just to show how delusional the Steelers are in general. I mean they referenced ONE specific play, and there's footage of their own player and coach discussing how another player focked up. That's funny stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted September 9, 2015 Read the report. Goodell made sure to destroy everything then went around making sure everyone was on the same page i.e. down play it or deny it. We were told it was only 8 tapes from 2006 to 2007 but in reality it was 40+ from 2000 to 2007. You can't produce evidence that was all destroyed. Now it's just testimony that the Patriots and fans pooh pooh. There's no doubt it was a calculated move by the league offices. They knew 31 franchises would flat out revolt and it would cost mulit-millions in fan losses so they buried it. The only people who defend it don't want to admit their team cheated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobby heenan 60 Posted September 9, 2015 How come this childish frat boy didn't mention the Giants? i dunno....he gets paid to write...paid well...and has a large audience and following....who are you again? but seriously...why would he talk about a 5 win team? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted September 9, 2015 That was more a general comment on Wines being his usual b!tch self, since that wasn't even the game the article referenced in the article. HTH. The rest of it was just to show how delusional the Steelers are in general. I mean they referenced ONE specific play, and there's footage of their own player and coach discussing how another player focked up. That's funny stuff. Right, because it's just the Steelers...oh wait, and the Colts...but also the Rams...hold, and the Jets...just a second, and the Colts again for deflated balls...and the list goes on to the tune of 40+. Congrats to Belicheat and the Cheatriots...4 time fleecers of the year!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted September 9, 2015 Right, because it's just the Steelers...oh wait, and the Colts...but also the Rams...hold, and the Jets...just a second, and the Colts again for deflated balls...and the list goes on to the tune of 40+. Congrats to Belicheat and the Cheatriots...4 time fleecers of the year!!! And yet, with all this stuff in play, with the ONE specific play the Steelers try to make their case on, THERE IS FOOTAGE OF THEIR COACH AND PLAYER TALKING ABOUT HOW THEIR SAFETY FOCKED THE DOG! Damn they're stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted September 9, 2015 And yet, with all this stuff in play, with the ONE specific play the Steelers try to make their case on, THERE IS FOOTAGE OF THEIR COACH AND PLAYER TALKING ABOUT HOW THEIR SAFETY FOCKED THE DOG! Damn they're stupid. How can i reach these keeeeeeeds?! An ESPN report, numerous witnesses and the broken shards of taped signals says cheaters cheat... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted September 9, 2015 How can i reach these keeeeeeeds?! An ESPN report, numerous witnesses and the broken shards of taped signals says cheaters cheat... And yet, in this target rich environment, with the assistance of compliant media and the most receptive audience imaginable, the dumbass Steelers can't make a simple accusation without stepping on their own d!cks. That whole organization is like a case study in the deleterious effects of concussions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted September 9, 2015 poor parrot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mullog 12 Posted September 9, 2015 Disclaimer: the following is my opinion and the figures used are estimates based on absolutely nothing scientific or factual. It is reasonable to assume that 50% of the accusations are true and the other half are embellishments, exaggerations, acts of jealousy and/or plain old bullshit. So you take the 50% that are true and examine them under the "gamesmanship" microscope. Let's say for the hell of it that 20-25% of the 50% can be argued away as brilliant bending (but not breaking) of the rules - such as the formation tricks BB uses which are unorthodox but within the confines of the rules as they are written. This still leaves approximately 25% that cannot be ignored. The collusions, cover-ups and assortment of other shenanigans going on with Goodell and the league prevents anyone from having solid proof of wrong doing. The owners are all very smart, successful business people. They have to realize that Goodell needs to go. He is doing far more harm to the shield then the Patriots organization. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PATSSOX 22 Posted September 9, 2015 My team has 6. None of their trophies have that giant * on them. You really think the Steelers didnt steal signs before 2008? The * is the ahole faces of the Patriot fans defending that dynasty of cheating. Mike Shanahan had locker rooms swept for listening devices............http://sea.247sports.com/Page/100877/Contents/Mike-Shanahan-had-locker-rooms-swept-for-listening-devices-39292333 BREAKING NEWS FOR STEELERS FANS MIKE SHANAHAN: ‘EVERYBODY’ WAS TRYING TO STEAL SIGNALS http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/09/09/mike-shanahan-everybody-was-trying-to-steal-signals/ You are ignorant or just in denial if you think your team didnt do it. Your team just did not try and make a science out of it and then became so arrogant they continued to tape signs after league said to stop it. Its that simple. Call me fool an ass or whatever but you guys beating your chest are the ones sounding like fools After you rip me for this answer this question....Why do the Patriots still have the most wins since 2008? Cause they are cheaters right? You lose!!!!!!!!!!! Good Day Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,062 Posted September 9, 2015 @PATSSOX, Its only cheating if you get caught. They did so it is. Willy Wonka that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
$epphori$ 118 Posted September 9, 2015 I love coming here every night and reading this thread. I heard the Pats have some new ways to cheat this year to improve their chances of winning yet another Superbowl. I should sell boxes of tissues here on this site for the crybabies. I would make a fortune. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted September 9, 2015 @ PATSSOX; there are several reasons the Patriots have the most wins since 2008. 1. WEAK division. 2. They're still cheating but haven't been caught. Who knows what else they're doing. 3. I'd say they sold their souls for wins but they are a soulless bunch. The only people beating their chests are the Pats fans desperately trying to get us to focus elsewhere and get back to playing football i.e. whatever cheating methods they're still using. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted September 9, 2015 I love coming here every night and reading this thread. I heard the Pats have some new ways to cheat this year to improve their chances of winning yet another Superbowl. I should sell boxes of tissues here on this site for the crybabies. I would make a fortune. I'll buy one man but not for crying. I took Brady in both my FF leagues along with Gronk in my money league. I'll be rubbing out so many I may need a few boxes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
$epphori$ 118 Posted September 9, 2015 @ PATSSOX; there are several reasons the Patriots have the most wins since 2008. 1. WEAK division. 2. They're still cheating but haven't been caught. Who knows what else they're doing. 3. I'd say they sold their souls for wins but they are a soulless bunch. The only people beating their chests are the Pats fans desperately trying to get us to focus elsewhere and get back to playing football i.e. whatever cheating methods they're still using. since I like you filthy, I will sell you two boxes for the price of one. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
$epphori$ 118 Posted September 9, 2015 I'll buy one man but not for crying. I took Brady in both my FF leagues along with Gronk in my money league. I'll be rubbing out so many I may need a few boxes. I got the Brady Gronk combo to man, along with OBJ, D. Thomas, McCoy as my keepers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
$epphori$ 118 Posted September 9, 2015 Pats now use spy drones to film practices and steal signals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted September 9, 2015 Pats now use spy drones to film practices and steal signals. And to call in airstrikes if that focker Goodell a.k.a. the coward shows his face Thursday night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wizbang 10 Posted September 9, 2015 Anyone who cares about the reemergence of this story is a brain dead sucker. You are being PR duped and I urge you to not start watching QVC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted September 9, 2015 I love coming here every night and reading this thread. I heard the Pats have some new ways to cheat this year to improve their chances of winning yet another Superbowl. I should sell boxes of tissues here on this site for the crybabies. I would make a fortune. No doubt...you pats fans cry more than anyone else out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
$epphori$ 118 Posted September 9, 2015 No doubt...you pats fans cry more than anyone else out there. That is the funniest thing I have read in a while. You Patriot haters have been crying like little bitches for 15 years. The tears are a little much already. And you have the nerve to say we cry? Why would we cry? All we do is win. Winners dont cry, only losers do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
$epphori$ 118 Posted September 9, 2015 And to call in airstrikes if that focker Goodell a.k.a. the coward shows his face Thursday night. Hate that dude as much as Obama AKA Barry Soertoro Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted September 9, 2015 That is the funniest thing I have read in a while. You Patriot haters have been crying like little bitches for 15 years. The tears are a little much already. And you have the nerve to say we cry? Why would we cry? All we do is win. Winners dont cry, only losers do. I don't hate the Patriots...have rarely posted about them over 15 years. You all cry constantly that people are "haters" or "jealous". Wah...Roger is out to get poor Tommy. You all cry...and win...until last year you all had not won in 10 years...you cry alot. Wah...NY just got lucky with fluke plays...twice. Wah...people think we are cheaters. Hell, your constant posting in here is just trying to hide that your eyes keep welling up that people don't bow down to your team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
$epphori$ 118 Posted September 9, 2015 I don't hate the Patriots...have rarely posted about them over 15 years. You all cry constantly that people are "haters" or "jealous". Wah...Roger is out to get poor Tommy. You all cry...and win...until last year you all had not won in 10 years...you cry alot. Wah...NY just got lucky with fluke plays...twice. Wah...people think we are cheaters. Hell, your constant posting in here is just trying to hide that your eyes keep welling up that people don't bow down to your team. You all? I never post ###### about the pats. so b4 you start pointing the blame my way get your facts straight. I find it humorous that everyone thinks their opinion should even matter. Or their voice should be heard. And we may not have won a superbowl in 10 years but we certainly have won the most games in the NFL have we not? You say your not a hater? You sure sound like one. You say you are not crying? I see an awful lot of baby sounds like wah wah wah in your post. You seem to be good at that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
$epphori$ 118 Posted September 9, 2015 And for the record I hope the Pats keep cheating. Just so all you haters have something to cry about. I know if I was losing cuz of cheating I would do the same. So if you cant beat em at least be smart enough to join them. Or are your teams not good at that either? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted September 9, 2015 You all? I never post ###### about the pats. so b4 you start pointing the blame my way get your facts straight. I find it humorous that everyone thinks their opinion should even matter. Or their voice should be heard. And we may not have won a superbowl in 10 years but we certainly have won the most games in the NFL have we not? You say your not a hater? You sure sound like one. You say you are not crying? I see an awful lot of baby sounds like wah wah wah in your post. You seem to be good at that. You are not the only Pats fan...but you have posted 30 times in this thread alone. My facts are straight. Pats fans on this board have been crying about being treated unfair and poor tommy all offseason. I find it humorous that you think your opinion means squat. Winning the most games in the NFL wins you a cookie? I say I don't hate the Patriots. I don't. Have no need. They have not beat my team in a meaningful game in quite some time. I make those sounds mocking Pats fans...I guess you are not so quick on the uptake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
$epphori$ 118 Posted September 9, 2015 You are not the only Pats fan...but you have posted 30 times in this thread alone. My facts are straight. Pats fans on this board have been crying about being treated unfair and poor tommy all offseason. I find it humorous that you think your opinion means squat. Winning the most games in the NFL wins you a cookie? I say I don't hate the Patriots. I don't. Have no need. They have not beat my team in a meaningful game in quite some time. I make those sounds mocking Pats fans...I guess you are not so quick on the uptake. I have a cookie for every win in the last 15 years and most my posts in this thread have been making fun of all the fussing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted September 10, 2015 Anyone who cares about the reemergence of this story is a brain dead sucker. You are being PR duped and I urge you to not start watching QVC. What's wrong with QVC?! The only thing I enjoy more than "Today's Special" is a good 60 minute paid-product-endorsement show. I get all the finer things in my home from those places. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites