Donald 12 year old Trump, tweets a picture comparing his wife to Cruz's

[crackattack 520]

 

You listed all endorsements...not foreign policy endorsements.

Sure...lots of people have jumped on board. Have not denied that...

Are you really denying his lack of competence in answering foreign policy questions? Since that is what started this all?

Can any of you actually say he sounds like he knows what he is talking about when questioned about foreign policy?

Don't just try and argue...be honest.

Michael Flynn is his foreign policy advisor right now, I'd call that more then just an endorsement. I answered the question about him being incompetent on foreign policy, but here is where you and I differ.

 

1. I don't think anybody has a great grasp at foreign policy. Are some better then others, of course. That's why presidents have cabinet members or advisors.

 

2. If someone like Paul was added to his ticket as VP or some aspect of foreign policy advisor, I'd start to warm up to him. If Trump surrounds himself with quality staff, I'd take a look at him.

 

Yes I think he's horribly unqualified, but that doesn't mean he'll be a disaster, that's why I said you're making assumptions. Surround him with competent, intelligent, and experienced staff, he could flurish. Nobody knows for sure how he would do.

[Ken8080 6]

 

You keep making false accusations about me...you have done this with many people for years.

Yet you try to claim others don't know when to shut the fock up.

 

Again...question, do you really claim this is your only ID here? Do you think anyone buys that bullshit?

 

As for getting knocked out...you have yet to even land a glancing blow chief. Your schtick is old, tired, and weak.

 

Okay torrid, you win. I know how important these threads are to you.

But for christsake, it's 5 pages deep and everyone has said what they have to say.

I still remember Mikey talking about how you could never give up and were always right no matter how silly it was.

 

You win. Goodnight.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Michael Flynn is his foreign policy advisor right now, I'd call that more then just an endorsement. I answered the question about him being incompetent on foreign policy, but here is where you and I differ.

 

1. I don't think anybody has a great grasp at foreign policy. Are some better then others, of course. That's why presidents have cabinet members or advisors.

 

2. If someone like Paul was added to his ticket as VP or some aspect of foreign policy advisor, I'd start to warm up to him. If Trump surrounds himself with quality staff, I'd take a look at him.

 

Yes I think he's horribly unqualified, but that doesn't mean he'll be a disaster, that's why I said you're making assumptions. Surround him with competent, intelligent, and experienced staff, he could flurish. Nobody knows for sure how he would do.

 

You answered it by claiming I was making assumptions about the future. You never said a thing about the interviews and how poorly he comes off (unless I missed that).

1. I think many other candidates have a grasp at foreign policy or at least can speak about it and not come off as a complete idiot changing the subject as Trump does. There is a reason why he won't debate actual issues. This is where Hillary will trounce him. Both are unlikable and untrustworthy jackbags...but Hillary knows the issues and will destroy him on that.

2. I agree Paul is great on FP. I don't see anyway in hell Paul would get near that. and Im sorry, Im not voting for a guy hoping he surrounds himself with staff. Staff that can't make decisions for him when push comes to shove.

 

Horribly unqualified...yet you still would think about supporting him. "vote for me, Ill hire smart people that actually know what they are talking about where I don't"...great campaign slogan there.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Okay torrid, you win. I know how important these threads are to you.

But for christsake, it's 5 pages deep and everyone has said what they have to say.

I still remember Mikey talking about how you could never give up and were always right no matter how silly it was.

 

You win. Goodnight.

 

You like being wrong over and over again with the torrid thing don't you.

Glad you avoided everything else that was said.

BTW...did you even post one focking thing on the topic in here? Or just trolling like you normally do?

[crackattack 520]

 

You answered it by claiming I was making assumptions about the future. You never said a thing about the interviews and how poorly he comes off (unless I missed that).

1. I think many other candidates have a grasp at foreign policy or at least can speak about it and not come off as a complete idiot changing the subject as Trump does. There is a reason why he won't debate actual issues. This is where Hillary will trounce him. Both are unlikable and untrustworthy jackbags...but Hillary knows the issues and will destroy him on that.

2. I agree Paul is great on FP. I don't see anyway in hell Paul would get near that. and Im sorry, Im not voting for a guy hoping he surrounds himself with staff. Staff that can't make decisions for him when push comes to shove.

 

Horribly unqualified...yet you still would think about supporting him. "vote for me, Ill hire smart people that actually know what they are talking about where I don't"...great campaign slogan there.

Why do you think Obama kept and added so many "Czars" then? I'm guessing he did it to help him with his deficiencies in understanding policy and other issues. I can guarantee you, that every president seeks advice from his advisors before making many decisions, how would that be any different for Trump?

 

Yes. I'd vote for someone who will surround himself with qualified people and seek their advice and guidance.

[crackattack 520]

He always comes of poorly when pressed about topics, I shouldn't need to answer that, but that still doesn't change the fact that you are making assumptions about what a presidency under Trump would look like, or how it would turn out. Nobody knows. We can make assumptions, but can't speak with absolutes.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Why do you think Obama kept and added so many "Czars" then? I'm guessing he did it to help him with his deficiencies in understanding policy and other issues. I can guarantee you, that every president seeks advice from his advisors before making many decisions, how would that be any different for Trump?

 

Yes. I'd vote for someone who will surround himself with qualified people and seek their advice and guidance.

 

I agree they surround themselves with quality advisors...I think there is a difference between that, and saying a guy has no clue. Obama had a clue what he was doing going in. He could speak about the topic with intelligence. Trump is not only incapable of that...worse, it seems he does not even care to improve there and will just rely on other people. There is danger in that...relying on people that others did not vote for to really make decisions?

 

Just how his little tirades on twitter have gone...how do you think he reacts to foreign governments who don't do like he wants?

[crackattack 520]

 

I agree they surround themselves with quality advisors...I think there is a difference between that, and saying a guy has no clue. Obama had a clue what he was doing going in. He could speak about the topic with intelligence. Trump is not only incapable of that...worse, it seems he does not even care to improve there and will just rely on other people. There is danger in that...relying on people that others did not vote for to really make decisions?

 

Just how his little tirades on twitter have gone...how do you think he reacts to foreign governments who don't do like he wants?

I don't know how he'd react with foreign leaders. I can assume not professionally, but I don't know. I bet you'd (we'd) be surprised how much policy is made or decided by advisors. That's just a guess tho. No way the president reads, drafts, decides everything. Just no way.

[Sho Nuff 720]

He always comes of poorly when pressed about topics, I shouldn't need to answer that, but that still doesn't change the fact that you are making assumptions about what a presidency under Trump would look like, or how it would turn out. Nobody knows. We can make assumptions, but can't speak with absolutes.

 

I think coming off terrible when pressed about topics is a gigantic thing. When you don't know how to speak intelligently about a topic as important as foreign policy...that pretty much should disqualify a person. This getting past the other numerous stupid and childish things he has done or said.

 

And thinking of supporting someone for president with the idea of...hmm, I have no idea what his presidency might even look like? WTF?

[Sho Nuff 720]

I don't know how he'd react with foreign leaders. I can assume not professionally, but I don't know. I bet you'd (we'd) be surprised how much policy is made or decided by advisors. That's just a guess tho. No way the president reads, drafts, decides everything. Just no way.

 

And you are ok with someone who may not deal with foreign leaders professionally?

[crackattack 520]

 

And you are ok with someone who may not deal with foreign leaders professionally?

Depends. Our allies, absolutely not. Shitt hole dictators who have oppressive regimes, sponsor terrorism, horrible human rights record, no, I don't care.

 

And to your other point, again, nobody knows with certainty what a president will do, or act, or how it will look, once they get in office. I'm sure you've seen candidates not be able, or just don't follow through on campaign promises. Some have moved further right and some have moved further left or to the middle once elected.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

This guy couldn't just say 2 pages ago that using neo-cons to make a FP point wasnt a good idea? Is he that incapable of just saying "good point, I'll go find some non neo-cons"? I can only imagine what he's like with his co-workers.

[Voltaire 5,317]

Trump can fish a far superior foreign policy adviser out of a dumpster with a bottle of malt liquor on a rope than he can by placing a phone call to any of the neocon Bush adviser turds that signed that letter opposing him on foreign policy grounds.

 

The chickenhawks are bitter but IMO the entire lot of them are more suited to work in Burger King than in the White House anyways. In working at Burger King, the most damage they can cause other people is limited to convincing Corky about the wisdom of bobbing for fries in the hot oil vat.

 

Nobody cares what you have to say anymore. You'll notice the voters sh*canned Jeb! and Rubio. Put the entire list on : Ignore

[KSB2424 3,148]

Interesting read from a trump campaign defector

http://www.xojane.com/issues/stephanie-cegielski-donald-trump-campaign-defector

Bump.

 

Wake up people.

[Sho Nuff 720]

This guy couldn't just say 2 pages ago that using neo-cons to make a FP point wasnt a good idea? Is he that incapable of just saying "good point, I'll go find some non neo-cons"? I can only imagine what he's like with his co-workers.

And you just have a normal discussion like crack where you actually bring a my thing relevant yo the table and actually discuss the points being made rather than deflection.

 

Same as you ever were.

[Reality 3,121]

And you just have a normal discussion like crack where you actually bring a my thing relevant yo the table and actually discuss the points being made rather than life deflection.

 

Same as you ever were.

WTF?

[wiffleball 4,790]

"I am the least litigious guy ever, it's amazing."

 

Actual quote from Donald Trump.

 

LOL

[hoytdwow 202]

"I am the least litigious guy ever, it's amazing."

 

Actual quote from Donald Trump.

 

LOL

 

 

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump Mar 27

Just to show you how unfair Republican primary politics can be, I won the State of Louisiana and get less delegates than Cruz-Lawsuit coming

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

Come on, you all better bring a list of people who are less litigious than him or a few people will get mad at you being mean to Trump.

[crackattack 520]

Bump.

 

Wake up people.

Why should anyone care about her opinion? She was a communications director for a now defunct super pac?? Her opinion holds no more weight then yours or mine.

[TD Ryan2 316]

Her opinion holds no more weight then yours or mine.

while it is debatable that her opinion may be agenda-driven, unless you have met and worked with Donald Trump, it is a certainty that her opinion holds more weight than yours. This isn't hard to understand and actually sad that it needed to be explained.

[crackattack 520]

while it is debatable that her opinion may be agenda-driven, unless you have met and worked with Donald Trump, it is a certainty that her opinion holds more weight than yours. This isn't hard to understand and actually sad that it needed to be explained.

I guess I need it explained, because she not saying anything different from what we already know. Maybe I need to reread the article, because none of it was groundbreaking.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

I like his trade strategy

I like his halting of bringing in refugees

I like his aggressive approach to fighting Isis

I like that he recognizes that the biggest threat is radical Islamic terrorism

I like that he disagrees with our treaty with Iran

I like his support of Israel

I like that he says that the countries we provide protection for have to start paying up.

Like I said earlier, but somebody would rather be butthurt

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I guess I need it explained, because she not saying anything different from what we already know. Maybe I need to reread the article, because none of it was groundbreaking.

 

It may not be "groundbreaking" but it is an inside source - a source who once believed in Trump - confirming a lot of what many of us were thinking about Trump and his real motivations. That's the difference between her and anyone of us with a purely speculative opinion.

[KSB2424 3,148]

I guess I need it explained, because she not saying anything different from what we already know. Maybe I need to reread the article, because none of it was groundbreaking.

 

Validation and Verification.

 

When you assume something, when you guess something or when you have an hypothesis of something and then you read a person who has intimate knowledge or an expert validate those concerns and the hypothesis, it verifies it. If you read the article its not mean spirited in the least. It doesn't reek of a disgruntled former employee at all.

 

But it gives a bit of insight to what most of us thought already.

 

It just takes some people longer to wake up to this reality than others. Which is:

 

Donald Trump was good for this process in the beginning as a middle finger to politics and political correctness.

Everyone got it. But that is ultimately all he is good for as he is terribly unqualified, wholly inexperienced and horribly ill tempered to be the actual President of the United States. It's preposterous to think otherwise. His constituents, while coming from a good place originally, have created a monster. And its way past time to wake up and pull the plug on this ridiculousness.

[crackattack 520]

 

It may not be "groundbreaking" but it is an inside source - a source who once believed in Trump - confirming a lot of what many of us were thinking about Trump and his real motivations. That's the difference between her and anyone of us with a purely speculative opinion.

I understand that, but unless she can prove that conversation that supposedly happened in trump tower, isn't this no different then a opinion piece. It's already a he said she said argument. The onus is on her to prove it. She could be a disgruntled ex-employee. She could be angry at trumps misogynistic behavior.

 

I don't disagree with her, but it's not what you know, it's what you can prove.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I like his trade strategy

I like his halting of bringing in refugees

I like his aggressive approach to fighting Isis

I like that he recognizes that the biggest threat is radical Islamic terrorism

I like that he disagrees with our treaty with Iran

I like his support of Israel

I like that he says that the countries we provide protection for have to start paying up.

 

His trade strategy is what? Bully people into paying more taxes and tariffs to the US? His trade strategy is to end all of the things he does himself as a businessman? Yeah, you buy that...sorry, most rational people know its BS.

How many refugees have we brought in? Now...if he wants to say, lets properly vet anyone from known terrorist supporting states...good job. Too bad, he opens his mouth before he thinks (or before someone thinks for him)

What approach does he really have for ISIS? You like saying...we are going to win. He gives no real strategy. Again, read the interviews with him when questioned about that and how quickly he dodges such questions.

Who doesn't? Oh, you are one of those people that think Obama does not recognize it because he doesn't use it in a speech. Oof.

I don't think he understands one bit of the treaty with Iran...neither do you or many others. There is a reason almost everyone around the world is on board with that treaty and think its a good deal. There is a reason most experts think it slows them down as far as getting a nuke and that there is little anyone can do to really prevent it but can only do something like this.

Wait...he supports Israel? I thought he was neutral. I guess it just depends what group he is talking to on what particular day.

You like that he says something that he has no real way to enforce?

 

Basically, you have fallen for all the ridiculous things he has said that are meant for the low hanging fruit. Without thought of what it really means, what it would really cost, or the consequences.

[crackattack 520]

And before everyone accuses me of being a Trump supporter, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

[MDC 7,470]

My issue with Trump isn't necessarily his lack of experience or even his policies really, it's the fact that he just lacks the demeanor I want in a leader. Trump strikes me as the kind of guy who's incredibly thin-skinned, surrounds himself with yes men and has no impulse control at all. These are not qualities that I want in a leader.

 

My other big issue is that it's almost impossible to know where Trump stands on most issues because Trump says things that even he knows to be false. Trump insists that we're going to build a border wall and Mexico is going to pay for it. Since he must know that's just not true and keeps repeating it anyway, how am I supposed to take anything else he says seriously?

 

This election and the remaining candidates are all so dispiriting. I can sort of see the appeal of an outsider type who isn't scripted. But anyone thinking they're going to get what Trump is selling is being played for a fool.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

 

His trade strategy is what? Bully people into paying more taxes and tariffs to the US? His trade strategy is to end all of the things he does himself as a businessman? Yeah, you buy that...sorry, most rational people know its BS.

How many refugees have we brought in? Now...if he wants to say, lets properly vet anyone from known terrorist supporting states...good job. Too bad, he opens his mouth before he thinks (or before someone thinks for him)

What approach does he really have for ISIS? You like saying...we are going to win. He gives no real strategy. Again, read the interviews with him when questioned about that and how quickly he dodges such questions.

Who doesn't? Oh, you are one of those people that think Obama does not recognize it because he doesn't use it in a speech. Oof.

I don't think he understands one bit of the treaty with Iran...neither do you or many others. There is a reason almost everyone around the world is on board with that treaty and think its a good deal. There is a reason most experts think it slows them down as far as getting a nuke and that there is little anyone can do to really prevent it but can only do something like this.

Wait...he supports Israel? I thought he was neutral. I guess it just depends what group he is talking to on what particular day.

You like that he says something that he has no real way to enforce?

 

Basically, you have fallen for all the ridiculous things he has said that are meant for the low hanging fruit. Without thought of what it really means, what it would really cost, or the consequences.

Obama thinks gun violence is a bigger threat than Islamic terror. That's not recognizing what the bigger threat is. Has nothing to do with what he calls it in speeches, I never mentioned that. His speech at Apac didn't sound neutral

[Sho Nuff 720]

Obama thinks gun violence is a bigger threat than Islamic terror. That's not recognizing what the bigger threat is. Has nothing to do with what he calls it in speeches, I never mentioned that. His speech at Apac didn't sound neutral

 

To our country...gun violence is a bigger threat to our citizens.

As for his speech to AIPAC...like I said, it just depends on what group he is talking to that day.

[Sho Nuff 720]

My issue with Trump isn't necessarily his lack of experience or even his policies really, it's the fact that he just lacks the demeanor I want in a leader. Trump strikes me as the kind of guy who's incredibly thin-skinned, surrounds himself with yes men and has no impulse control at all. These are not qualities that I want in a leader.

 

My other big issue is that it's almost impossible to know where Trump stands on most issues because Trump says things that even he knows to be false. Trump insists that we're going to build a border wall and Mexico is going to pay for it. Since he must know that's just not true and keeps repeating it anyway, how am I supposed to take anything else he says seriously?

 

This election and the remaining candidates are all so dispiriting. I can sort of see the appeal of an outsider type who isn't scripted. But anyone thinking they're going to get what Trump is selling is being played for a fool.

 

Thing is...Trump is not much of an outsider. He has been involved in politics in some form for a while. Usually while greasing people up to get deals done.

But they want someone different...yet he acts just like other politicians (well, a more childish version...didn't think that was even possible). He says one thing to one group...then reverses when pandering to someone else.

He lies...he twists...he spins like every other one of them.

His supporters even admit he has said things and he will switch once the general election comes around. And they are ok with that.

[hoytdwow 202]

Pssst, you have to be a politician to succeed as president. HTH!

[TD Ryan2 316]

And before everyone accuses me of being a Trump supporter, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

supporter or not, I'm not here to bash Trump supporters.

I get it.

I get his appeal and I'm not ready to say anyone who like him is automatically "dumb".

I've just gone through the process of liking him initially, really chuckling and nodding at a lot of what he's saying (and agreeing) but then considering him more seriously, deeper... and that's when I decided "guilty pleasure", "fun / enjoyable", "good for the process" but... not the real answer.

[edjr 6,602]

Obama thinks gun violence is a bigger threat than Islamic terror.

 

it is, stupid

Gun Violence 2014


Total Number of Incidents 51,821
Number of Deaths 12,588
Number of Injuries 23,045

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

 

To our country...gun violence is a bigger threat to our citizens.

As for his speech to AIPAC...like I said, it just depends on what group he is talking to that day.

Gun violence is not the bigger threat. Gun nuts have no plans I get a hold of a nuke or biological weapons and use them. And if guns are a bigger threat, why is he directing so much more resources to fighting Islamic terrorism than he has guns? Gun violence has gone up on his watch, and he hasn't done too much. I don't think him or you understand what "bigger threat" means.

[edjr 6,602]

Gun violence is not the bigger threat. Gun nuts have no plans I get a hold of a nuke or biological weapons and use them. And if guns are a bigger threat, why is he directing so much more resources to fighting Islamic terrorism than he has guns? Gun violence has gone up on his watch, and he hasn't done too much. I don't think him or you understand what "bigger threat" means.

 

[crackattack 520]

supporter or not, I'm not here to bash Trump supporters.

I get it.

I get his appeal and I'm not ready to say anyone who like him is automatically "dumb".

I've just gone through the process of liking him initially, really chuckling and nodding at a lot of what he's saying (and agreeing) but then considering him more seriously, deeper... and that's when I decided "guilty pleasure", "fun / enjoyable", "good for the process" but... not the real answer.

Agree. He was a guilty pleasure, but I never took him serious. I love the fact he's blowing up the gop. I hope they learn from it and come out a better, more up to date, or in touch party. They have moved so far right,I just can't stay with them. The left has moved to far the other way. I'd just like a reasonable moderate candidate.

[KSB2424 3,148]

I'd just like a reasonable moderate candidate.

 

You don't say. Hmmmm. Now who could that be?

[TD Ryan2 316]

Agree. He was a guilty pleasure, but I never took him serious. I love the fact he's blowing up the gop. I hope they learn from it and come out a better, more up to date, or in touch party. They have moved so far right,I just can't stay with them. The left has moved to far the other way. I'd just like a reasonable moderate candidate.

 

agreed.

so to come full-circle back to the article - it's a top level staffer claiming that Trump was never really a serious candidate - never thought he could win, never really wanted to win.

Until I read this, it was only speculation that he was just trying to play an antagonistic role, just trying to stir the pot.... and you speculate about this and can't believe it's possible, then you get some confirmation that it's true, and it's stunning... surreal... here's a guiy that didn't even really want or expect to win, didn't think he needed to learn or behave accordingly... and he's winning!

 

And... I guess it's no surprise... the job interview I kicked the most ass on was the one where I didn't even want or care about the job - it was the one where I truly didn't give a fock one way or the other if they hired me or wanted me.