No Muslim Refugee has ever committed an act of terror in the U.S.

[jerryskids 7,085]

That youball think I'm some big liberal shows how far right youball are and out of touch with reality.

 

You have an amazing lack of self-awareness. Here's the deal: I challenge any other poster here -- Wiff, Worms, mobb, MDC, anyone -- to come here and post on record that they truly believe you are centrist. I'm confident that none will do it, because they have integrity.

[wiffleball 4,797]

Your OP is wrong. You should edit it.

Are you Cdub too?

[wiffleball 4,797]

How did Muslims like being droned the last 8 years?

The fock?

 

What's going on with you and Cdub - just random non-sequitors right and left?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

The fock?

 

What's going on with you and Cdub - just random non-sequitors right and left?

Inwoukd love for you to tell us why the kid in Ohio State wasn't a terrorist who was also a Muslim refugee. Thanks.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

You have an amazing lack of self-awareness. Here's the deal: I challenge any other poster here -- Wiff, Worms, mobb, MDC, anyone -- to come here and post on record that they truly believe you are centrist. I'm confident that none will do it, because they have integrity.

I'm confident I don't need their validation to understand my leanings and what I support.

I

[Sho Nuff 720]

Btw...State, Justice, Homeland security...none had input into this.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ericgeller/status/825448574028804096

[jerryskids 7,085]

I'm confident I don't need their validation to understand my leanings and what I support.

I

Awesome. Just recognize that not a single poster at this site who reads your posts agrees with you. So either you or the entire population here (minus you) are wrong.

[Strike 6,023]

For those who think we're so great at vetting, I'll simply offer the following article I posted a few days ago:

 

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-syria-refugees-vetting-gap-20170125-story.html

 

How many more "glitches" will we find?

 

Also, with specific regard to Syria, here is a politifact article that confirms our intelligence community knows vetting Syrians is risky because there just isn't a lot of information about many of them:

 

 

"We can only query against that which we have collected," Comey said. "If someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interest reflected in our database, we can query our database until the cows come home but we are not going to — there will be nothing show up because we have no record on that person."

 

So while the process is very thorough, Comey was saying he couldn’t guarantee there would never be a problem and no terrorist could ever slip through the cracks. That’s just the way it is.

 

Comey noted that when the United States performed background checks on Iraqi refugees, they had a much larger database because of the American presence there over the last decade. Not having the same intelligence infrastructure in Syria has resulted in much less information with which to cross-reference an applicant.

 

"We have gotten much better as an intelligence community at joining our efforts and checking our databases in a way that gives us high confidence. If we have a record on somebody, it will surface. That's the good news," Comey said. "The challenge we face with Syria is that we don't have that rich set of data. So even though we've gotten better at querying what we have, we certainly will have less overall. And so as I said to a question earlier, someone only alerts as a result of our searches if we have some record on them. That's the challenge we face with Syria."

 

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2016/aug/12/carlos-beruff/fbi-admitted-it-cannot-properly-vet-middle-eastern/

 

I think there are valid arguments that some countries may not deserve to be in the ban as currently enacted, but there shouldn't be any disagreement about Syria IMO. Libs who argue that we should allow Syrians without a better vetting process are willing to play russian roulette with our national security. I'm not.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Awesome. Just recognize that not a single poster at this site who reads your posts agrees with you. So either you or the entire population here (minus you) are wrong.

Considering those who have think I am some far lefty also think Obama was...im fine with you all continuing to be ignorant.

[wiffleball 4,797]

I'll tell you one thing I like about this;

 

Trump actually DID something.

(Trumptards agreeing, getting stiffy's)

 

What I mean by that is,

You can't trust a word he says.

It's amazing what we did to Kerry on 'flip-flops'

when Trump has flip-flopped on virtually everything he's ever said.

 

Then, when you call him on it, his staff will say something stupid like

"well don't take him LITERALLY...."

And he weasels out of pulling a 180.

 

But now, he's actually DONE something.

If It works? Hey, fantastic.

But if it blows the fock up? It's going to be a lot harder to weasel out of it.

 

...But I'm sure he'll blame the media, the polls, the weather, vaccinations, Michael Moore, Obama, etc..

 

 

And, for your students of 'The Politics'?

THIS is the first real major step in ripping the GOP apart under Trump.

Most of the GOP is Hiking the Appalachian Trail right now.

Only one that I know of who openly supports this shiit-show is Paul Ryan;

Who didn't endorse Trump or support him in the General.

[wiffleball 4,797]

For those who think we're so great at vetting, I'll simply offer the following article I posted a few days ago:

 

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-syria-refugees-vetting-gap-20170125-story.html

 

How many more "glitches" will we find?

 

Also, with specific regard to Syria, here is a politifact article that confirms our intelligence community knows vetting Syrians is risky because there just isn't a lot of information about many of them:

 

No, I remember that article - it didn't say shiit. The way you sold it, I was expecting to find 100 Murders, Rapists, Terrorists - something- but nothing. - But playing along, what does Trump think he's going to do about that? Do you have any idea who many boat people had absolutely no data? Africans? What new agency or process is going to what? Go to Syria and conduct background checks? LOL

[wiffleball 4,797]

Mid-terms are going to suck for certain Republicans.

There are cities in Texas (for example) that have HUGE

immigrant populations.

 

It's not just people from these 7 countries that are scared and pissed.

It's not just Muslims. - Pretty much any major immigrant group feels like

"If it's THEM now, how soon until it's US?"

 

GOP'ers up for re-election are going to have a hard time walking the line

between Trump and anti-Trump.

[wiffleball 4,797]

Btw...State, Justice, Homeland security...none had input into this.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ericgeller/status/825448574028804096

 

This bears repeating. I don't think anybody is shocked.

 

Seriously, for or against it, why wouldn't you - as POTUS -

NOT just call these guys together and say "Hey, here's what I'm fixin to do - what do you guys think?"

 

The dude ran for President - not dictator.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

If something happens, the xenophobes/bigots will always fall back on how bad it would have been if we didn't start banning some them darn muslims.I've treated plenty of middle easterners, and hung out with my co-fellow from the ME - his wife was a Palestinian refugee. What do I win?

Pen has a muslim friend, everyone. Just an FYI

[shorepatrol 1,871]

Considering those who have think I am some far lefty also think Obama was...im fine with you all continuing to be ignorant.

This is why you have ZERO credibility. Focking mind boggling

[drobeski 3,061]

Love it! MAGA!

Make go apeshit

[cbfalcon 827]

 

I completely agree that a religious ban is against everything our country stands for. Luckily I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about a ban on refugees from potential Islamic terrorist companies.

Semantics. Call it what you want, justify it however you want.

 

But I ask this if you. Have some principles and actually believe in the thing you are asking for...If you support a ban on Muslims from countries known for Terrorism, you should be raising hell and criticizing that this administration isn't banning Muslims from countries like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, or the UAE as well.

[Drizzay 745]

I know this has been broached, but why is Saudi Arabia not number-focking one on this list?

 

What the fock?

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

This bears repeating. I don't think anybody is shocked.

 

Seriously, for or against it, why wouldn't you - as POTUS -

NOT just call these guys together and say "Hey, here's what I'm fixin to do - what do you guys think?"

 

The dude ran for President - not dictator.

Pissed off the U.K. Too...so didn't consult our allies.

[Sho Nuff 720]

This is why you have ZERO credibility. Focking mind boggling

Board credibility...I'm so worried

[Sgriff28 4]

Board credibility...I'm so worried

You seem quite concerned. You seem to be quite the joke around here.

[KSB2424 3,173]

Semantics. Call it what you want, justify it however you want.

 

But I ask this if you. Have some principles and actually believe in the thing you are asking for...If you support a ban on Muslims from countries known for Terrorism, you should be raising hell and criticizing that this administration isn't banning Muslims from countries like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, or the UAE as well.

So it's not a religious test?

 

I can't keep up.

[drobeski 3,061]

Is the retarded hermaphrodite glee fan lonely loser queer who started this thread going to fix the title at any point ?

[cbfalcon 827]

So it's not a religious test?

 

I can't keep up.

I never referenced any religious test anywhere in this thread, so no, I guess you can't.

 

And if that's the route you want to go in discussing this, then you're talking to the wrong guy. I don't have interest in the HT vs SN type back and forth.

[KSB2424 3,173]

No no. I'm on the side of thinking a religious ban is anti-American. IMO, its a betrayal of our values and we are going this route because being strong got a bit too hard in this instance.

[cbfalcon 827]

Yes, I knew what post you were referencing.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

"No Muslim Refugee has ever committed an act of terror in the U.S." NBC News reported that the suspected Ohio State University attacker was actually 18-years-old, and was a Somali refugee and legal permanent resident of the United States.

 

Debunked with the Ohio State University Attacker.

 

Secondly:

 

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-hunter/immigration-official-admits-many-refugees-have-been-convicted-terrorist

 

"U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) Director Leon Rodriguez told Congress Thursday that “not a single act of actual terrorist violence has been a committed by a refugee” who underwent USCIS screening procedures since 9/11. But when a senator asked him if it was "correct" that many people who came into the refugee program as adults had been "convicted of terrorist offenses," Rodriguez admitted that that was "correct."

 

Under further questioning by Sen. David Vitter (R.-La.), Rodriguez admitted that he did not know the actual number of refugees admitted to the U.S. who had later been convicted of terrorist offenses.

 

“The fact is that since Sept. 11, not a single act of actual terrorist violence has been committed by a refugee who has undergone our screening procedures. There have been individuals who came to the U.S. as children,” Rodriguez told the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest during its hearing on the refugee resettlement program.

“There are individuals who came a long time ago before our modern procedures, but since Sept. 11, all we have had is conspiracies - not only by refugees, but in fact by U.S.-born persons, other kinds of immigrants. It’s really an equal opportunity world,” he added.

 

Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), chairman of the subcommittee, asked Rodriguez, “You don’t count conspiracies?”

 

“They’re not actual acts of violence. They were effectively disrupted by U.S. law enforcement, is my point, sir,” Rodriguez responded.

Sen. David Vitter (R-La.) told Rodriguez about a report done by Fordham University Law School’s Center on National Security on ISIS prosecutions in the U.S.

“They looked at all ISIS prosecutions in the United States and determined that of those involved in that, 18 percent were refugees or asylees. Shouldn’t that be of enormous concern to all of us?” Vitter asked Rodriguez.

 

“Without a doubt. Yes,” Rodriguez responded.

 

“My question is: Isn't that a very big percentage? 18 percent.” Vitter asked a moment later.

 

“One percent would be a big percentage. This is an area of significant concern,” Rodriguez said.

 

So the Left doesn't count planning acts of terror and being thwarted as being acts of terror. There are a significant amount of ISIS cases that have been and are being prosecuted in the U.S. Federal Courts. The fact that Law Enforcement stopped them shouldn't discount the danger of allowing refugees in without properly vetting them. Obviously we're not doing it right if the guy who makes the claim that No acts of terrorism in the U.S. is tied to these refugees but freely admits there are some who committed acts of terrorism in the past being allowed in.

 

Here's the report on the ISIS cases in the United States:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/55dc76f7e4b013c872183fea/t/577c5b43197aea832bd486c0/1467767622315/ISIS+Report+-+Case+by+Case+-+July2016.pdf

 

"THE INDIVIDUALS The wide range of individuals attracted to ISIS remains a constant, yet there are some overarching trends. They are predominantly male, young, and U.S. citizens, with more than half born in the United States. All but one were Muslim at the time of arrest. Most were attracted at least in part by social media, and many had expressed some form of social alienation, loneliness or identity issues."

 

 

[Brad GLuckman 519]

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has a message for refugees rejected by U.S. President Donald Trump: Canada will take you.

 

He also intends to talk to Trump about the success of Canadas refugee policy.

 

Trudeau reacted to Trumps ban of Muslims from certain countries by tweeting Saturday: To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada.

 

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trudeau-canada-refugees-banned-u-s/

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has a message for refugees rejected by U.S. President Donald Trump: Canada will take you.

 

He also intends to talk to Trump about the success of Canadas refugee policy.

 

Trudeau reacted to Trumps ban of Muslims from certain countries by tweeting Saturday: To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada.

 

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trudeau-canada-refugees-banned-u-s/

 

Guess we'll have to build two walls then and charge 20% on sh!t from Canada.

[shorepatrol 1,871]

Board credibility...I'm so worried

[jerryskids 7,085]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trudeau-canada-refugees-banned-u-s/

 

Good for them. Time for other countries to step up.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

Good for them. Time for other countries to step up.

It is time for other muslim countries in the region to step up, more than anything.

Jordan, Turkey, and Lebanon have done their part, but thats it,

[wiffleball 4,797]

It is time for other muslim countries in the region to step up, more than anything.

Jordan, Turkey, and Lebanon have done their part, but thats it,

Solid.

 

Solid.

 

Focking Sauds. They'll donate money, but god forbid, you overcrowd their barren deserts.

[wiffleball 4,797]

Continuing with Digby's "no one cares" meme:

 

In reaction to President Trump’s executive order suspending immigration from seven predominantly Muslim countries, the NBA has contacted the State Department to try to determine how the order could potentially impact the league.

 

Two NBA players — Milwaukee Bucks forward Thon Maker and Los Angeles Lakers forward Luol Deng — have Sudanese roots, and the league does a significant amount of work overseas through its Basketball Without Borders program.

 

“We have reached out to the State Department and are in the process of gathering information to understand how this executive order would apply to players in our league who are from one of the impacted countries,” NBA spokesman Mike Bass said in a statement Saturday night. “The NBA is a global league and we are proud to attract the very best players from around the world.”

 

 

We'd already heard from some of the largest global IT companies in the world, now this.

 

Well, at least it was well thought out.

[cbfalcon 827]

I thought i read somewhere that Trump is letting in Christians from Syria, though.

The executive order states that people can be let in "provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality facing religious persecution "

 

So it's not a religious ban.....but the loophole is that if you are any religion other than Muslim, we have the discretion to let you in.

 

[penultimatestraw 473]

Yeah. Iove how he says middle eastern, not Muslim. I'm sure Hawaii gets a bunch of Muslims from war torn areas.

They were Muslim. And it wasn't in Hawaii.

[penultimatestraw 473]

next time he should ask them if they support Sharia Law, if they think Jihad in the name of Allah is ok....cause most Muslims do, and any that do I could give a ###### less about, and definitely don't need em in this country

I treat a lot of people whose beliefs I don't share. BFD.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

http://i.imgur.com/NwwSKNR.jpg

[penultimatestraw 473]

Pen has a muslim friend, everyone. Just an FYI

I was responding to one of the nimrods suggesting "libs" get involved with Muslim refugees.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

I treat a lot of people whose beliefs I don't share. BFD.

 

hippocratic oath is strong I get that