No Muslim Refugee has ever committed an act of terror in the U.S.

[NewbieJr 541]

I won with thread ..wiffleball and snuffles tied at losing life.

 

Good job kids, enjoy your cats and the next 8 years of the lonely loser crybaby life you'll love.

8 years? Lol. Trump will be lucky to survive one year.

[MDC 7,883]

Not voting for Hillary helped him, how focking stupid are you?

 

Why the hell would I vote for Hillary? If she won id be almost embarrassed as you are right now.

[wiffleball 4,797]

 

You should look up what hypocrisy means...then realize the huge...huge...differences between what Obama did and what Trump just did.

I doubt you will...you all will just claim libs are hypocrites and its all the same...despite the facts showing something far different.

And get that gateway pundit crap out of here...for fock's sake .

First: Trump came up with this list himself!

 

Then: But, but -it was Congress that originally came up with this list!

 

Now: It's Obummer's fault!

 

 

And no, the usual trolls are being deliberately obtuse trying to compare the old with the new.

 

But hey, isn't it great that we 'caught' an interpreter for the 101st Airborne? And that 68 year old woman was a serious threat too!

Hell, even Fox is beating these guys up for the rollout and implementation. - You know it's a shiit show when THAT happens.

 

But how again did Drobes 'win' anything here? Or does he just declare that as he's running out the door? LOL

[BufordT 439]

Not a bad article in the link below for any grown ups around. The comments after the article are civilized and give both sides of the issue. "Rachel's" comment explains it very well

 

Congressional Republicans came up with the list of countries. Obama signed off on it. This was originally about banning people from entering the country without a visa....a far cry from what T rump is doing.

 

https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

[wiffleball 4,797]

Nice Buford.

[wiffleball 4,797]

For those of you trying to make heads or tails of things. - And for those of you who're now parroting the 'BUT BUT OBAMA!" drama.

 

 

 

“My policy is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months.”
—President Trump, statement on executive order, Jan. 29, 2017

 

The only news report that we could find that referred to a six-month ban was a 2013 ABC News article that included this line: “As a result of the Kentucky case, the State Department stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011, federal officials told ABC News

 

The “Kentucky case” refers to two Iraqis in Kentucky who in May, 2011 were arrested and faced federal terrorism charges after officials discovered from an informant that Waad Ramadan Alwan, before he had been granted asylum in the United States, had constructed improvised roadside bombs in Iraq. The FBI, after examining fragments from thousands of bomb parts, found Alwan’s fingerprints on a cordless phone that had been wired to detonate an improvised bomb in 2005.

 

The arrests caused in uproar in Congress and the Obama administration pledged to re-examine the records of 58,000 Iraqis who had been settled in the United States.

 

So what’s the difference with Trump’s action?

 

First, Obama responded to an actual threat—the discovery that two Iraqi refugees has been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, had been a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and also impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat.

 

Second, Obama did not announce there was a ban on visa applications.

 

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping

 

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/29/trumps-facile-claim-that-his-refugee-policy-is-similar-to-obama-in-2011/?utm_term=.f7a801e28698

[Sho Nuff 720]

For those of you trying to make heads or tails of things. - And for those of you who're now parroting the 'BUT BUT OBAMA!" drama.

 

 

 

My policy is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months.

President Trump, statement on executive order, Jan. 29, 2017

 

 

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/29/trumps-facile-claim-that-his-refugee-policy-is-similar-to-obama-in-2011/?utm_term=.f7a801e28698

Just read the same thing.

 

No worries...Washington Post

No one cares...

And all that BS

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Yup. Obama responded to a threat (that his policy helped make possible) . Trump is trying to prevent one. I'm with prevention.

[wiffleball 4,797]

Yup. Obama responded to a threat (that his policy helped make possible) . Trump is trying to prevent one. I'm with prevention.

that's pretty selective reading my friend.

 

and I don't think "his policy" was any different than existing policy, was it?

 

Even then, (repeating myself) he didn't just blanket ban an entire country - much less seven. At worst, Obama's policy slowed the review, but didn't flat-out nuke everyone - including Green Card Holders.

 

- but hell, read the article if you're actually interested in anything other than

 

Like I said earlier, I'd be happy if Trump was just honest about it - and Like I said earlier - Fine - let's start with Males between 18 and 45. - Not wheelchair bound grandmothers, mkay? Same reason I hate TSA. Trump was supposed to eschew this PC BS.

[drobeski 3,061]

(Via CNN) No person accepted to the United States as a refugee, Syrian or otherwise, has been implicated in a major fatal terrorist attack since the Refugee Act of 1980 set up systematic procedures for accepting refugees into the United States, according to an analysis of terrorism immigration risks by the Cato Institute.

 

Oh Really? No Refugees implicated in terrorism? Read on

 

7-nation-visa-ban

 

1 Yemen Anwar al-Awlaki was an American and Yemeni imam and Islamic lecturer. U.S. government officials allege that he was a senior recruiter and motivator who was involved in planning terrorist operations for the Islamist militant group al-Qaeda (link) al-Awlaki spoke with and preached to three of the alleged 9/11 hijackers who were al-Qaeda members. Awlaki presided at the funeral of the mother of Nidal Malik Hasan, an Army psychiatrist who later e-mailed him extensively in 200809 before the Fort Hood shootings. Awlaki was the mastermind behind Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who attempted the 2009 Christmas Day (underwear) bombing of an American airliner.

 

 

2 Somalia More than 20 people in Minnesota have faced federal charges related to Al Shabaab, an African terror group, with at least 10 more cases related to ISIS. Defendants have usually been detained while awaiting trial, as prosecutors have argued that they remain flight risks and threats to the community. (link)

 

On November 18, 2013, in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California, Issa Doreh was sentenced to ten years in prison for conspiracy to provide material support to terrorist, conspiracy to provide material support to foreign terrorist organization, conspiracy to launder monetary instruments, and providing material support to foreign terrorist organization. Doreh was admitted to the United States as a refugee from Somalia and subsequently obtained a green card and became a citizen. Doreh worked at a money transmitting business that was at the center of the conspiracy, which also involved Ahmed Nasir Taalil Mohamud.

 

On January 31, 2014, in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California, Ahmed Nasir Taalil Mohamud was sentenced to six years in prison for conspiracy to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization. Mohamud was admitted to the United States as a refugee from Somalia. He worked as a cabdriver in Anaheim, California where he raised money for the terrorist organization Al-Shabaab. According to the Department of Justice, [t]he United States presented evidence that Nasir . . . conspired to provide money to al Shabaab, a violent and brutal militia group that engages in suicide bombings, targets civilians for assassination, and uses improvised explosive devices.

 

On April 20, 2015, in the U.S. District Court for the District of Minnesota, Abdurahman Yasin Daud was charged (along with six others) with conspiracy and attempt to provide material support to ISIS. Daud, a Somalian refugee who came to the United States as a child, and subsequently obtained a green card. Daud and another individual drove from Minnesota to San Diego to attempt to get passports, cross the border into Mexico, and fly to Syria in to join ISIS.

 

On February 5, 2015, in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas, Abdinassir Mohamud Ibrahim was sentenced to 15 years in federal prison for conspiring to provide material support to Al-Shabaab, a designated foreign terrorist organization, and for making a false statement in his immigration paperwork. Ibrahim is a native of Somalia who came to the United States as a refugee in 2007 at the age of 22 and subsequently obtained a green card. Ibrahim knowingly lied on his citizenship application and previously lied in his request for refugee status, by falsely claiming that he was of a member of the minority Awer clan in Somalia and subject to persecution by the majority Hawiye clan. Ibrahim was actually a member of the Hawiye clan and not subject to persecution. In fact, according to court documents, Ibrahims family was famous . . . [and] [t]hrough his clan lineage, Ibrahim was related to known Somali terrorists[.] Ibrahim also admitted he lied on his citizenship application by having previously lied on his refugee application by falsely claiming that he had not provided material support to a terrorist group, when he had in fact provided material support in the form of cash to an Al-Shabaab member.

 

3 Syria An Ohio man traveled to Syria and trained alongside terrorists, then returned to the U.S. with plans to attack a military base or a prison, according to a federal indictment. Abdirahman Sheik Mohamud, a U.S. citizen originally from Somalia, wanted to kill three or four American soldiers execution style, according to the indictment. Attacking the prison was part of a backup plan if that didnt work, the charges said. The indictment also says Mohamuds brother, Abdifatah Aden, fought with Jabhat al-Nusrah, a State Department-designated terrorist group, until he was killed in battle in Syria in June 2014. (link)

 

On January 7, 2016, in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of California, Aws Mohammed Younis Al-Jayab was charged with providing materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statements and representations to the United States government. He was separately indicted on March 17, 2016 for attempting to provide material support to acts of violence overseas. Al-Jayab a Palestinian born in Iraq was admitted to the United States as a refugee in 2012. According to the criminal complaint, beginning in October of 2012 the very same month he first arrived in the United States Al-Jayab began communicating with numerous individuals about his intention to go to Syria and fight for terrorist organizations. In April 2013, Al-Jayab made multiple statements to another individual (later identified as Omar Faraj Saeed Al Hardan) regarding his experience handling weapons and killing individuals in Syria. In November 2013, just one year after being welcomed to the United States as a refugee, he traveled to Syria and posted on social media that he was fighting with various terrorist organizations, stating America will not isolate me from my Islamic duty. Only death will do us part.

 

On February 5, 2015, in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri, Nihad Rosic was charged with conspiring to provide material support and resources to terrorists, providing material support to terrorists, and conspiring to kill and maim persons in a foreign country. Rosic is a native of Bosnia who sources indicate came to the United States as a refugee, obtained a green card, and subsequently applied for and received citizenship. According to the indictment, Rosic sent funds to terrorists abroad, and attempted to travel to Syria to join terrorists in Syria and Iraq. According to press accounts, Rosic was a truck driver and former mixed martial arts fighter who had previously been charged with endangering the welfare of a child after punching a woman in the face while she held a child, and in a separate incident, was charged with assault after allegedly beating his girlfriend with a belt.

 

4 Sudan Idaho, Twin Falls Police Chief Craig Kingsbury has confirmed that three boys who were allegedly involved in the rape of a five-year-old girl in Twin Falls were of Iraqi and Sudanese descent. (link) Sudan was designated as a State Sponsor of Terrorism in 1993 due to concerns about support to international terrorist groups. Elements of al-Qaida-inspired terrorist groups remain in Sudan. groups continued to operate in Sudan in 2014 and there continued to be reports of Sudanese nationals participating in terrorist organizations. In 2014, Sudan continued to allow members of Hamas to travel, fundraise, and live in Sudan. In June 2010, four Sudanese men sentenced to death for the January 1, 2008 killing of two U.S. Embassy staff members escaped from Khartoums maximum security Kober prison. (link)

 

On April 20, 2015, in the U.S. District Court for the District of Minnesota, Guled Ali Omar was charged with conspiracy and attempt to provide material support to ISIS. Omar was born in a Kenyan refugee camp, and sources indicate he came to the United States as a refugee when he was a child, obtained a green card, and subsequently applied for and received citizenship. Omar is the younger brother of another indicted fugitive, Ahmed Ali Omar, who left the United States in 2007 to fight for Al-Shabaab. Another one of his brothers, Mohamed Ali Omar, was convicted in March of 2015 of threatening federal agents when they came to the familys residence to interview Guled Omar. During a press conference, U.S. Attorney for the District of Minnesota, Andy Luger, said that Omar never stopped plotting, and had previously attempted to leave the United States.

 

On January 29, 2015, in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, a federal warrant was unsealed for the arrest of Liban Haji Mohamed for allegedly providing material support to Harakat Shabaab Al-Mujahidin, also known as Al-Shabaab and Al-Qaeda. Mohamed is a native of Somalia who sources indicate came to the United States as a refugee, obtained a green card, and subsequently applied for and received citizenship. He is believed to have left the United States on July 5, 2012, with the intent to join Al-Shabaab in East Africa. Mohamed previously lived in the Washington, D.C. area and worked as a cab driver, and is believed to have snuck across the border to Mexico after being placed on the no-fly list. Carl Ghattas, Special Agent in Charge of the FBIs Washington, D.C. Field Office emphasized the importance of locating Mohamed, because he has knowledge of the Washington, D.C. areas infrastructure such as shopping areas, Metro, airports, and government buildings . . . [t]his makes him an asset to his terrorist associates who might plot attacks on U.S. soil.

 

5 Iraq The discovery in 2009 of two al Qaeda-Iraq terrorists living as refugees in Bowling Green, Kentucky who later admitted in court that theyd attacked U.S. soldiers in Iraq prompted the bureau to assign hundreds of specialists to an around-the-clock effort aimed at checking its archive of 100,000 improvised explosive devices collected in the war zones, known as IEDs, for other suspected terrorists fingerprints. (link) An ABC News investigation of the flawed U.S. refugee screening system, which was overhauled two years ago, showed that Alwan was mistakenly allowed into the U.S. and resettled in the leafy southern town of Bowling Green, Kentucky.

 

On February 18, 2015, Al-Hazmah Mohammed Jawad was arrested as he attempted to board a flight to Jordan to join and fight with ISIS in Iraq. Jawad was admitted to the United States in 2013 as an Iraqi refugee and he subsequently obtained a green card. Jawad was charged with making a false statement to U.S. government officials. He also stated that he had been to the shooting range and had been running to get in shape and prepare for his upcoming travels, and that a uniform was waiting for him in Iraq.

 

On January 7, 2016, in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Texas, Omar Faraj Saeed Al Hardan was charged in an indictment with attempting to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization, making false statements, and attempting to procure citizenship or naturalization unlawfully. The indictment states that he attempted to provide training, expert advice and assistance, and personnel specifically himself to a terrorist organization. Al Hardan a Palestinian born in Iraq was admitted to the United States as a refugee in 2009, and obtained a green card in 2011. When applying to become a U.S. citizen, he knowingly responded, certified, and swore untruthfully that he was not associated with a terrorist organization when, in fact, he associated with members and sympathizers of ISIS throughout 2014. During an interview in October 2015, Al Hardan falsely represented that he had never received any type of weapons training, when in fact he had received automatic machine gun training. According to media accounts, Al Hardan told his wife I will go to Syria. I want to blow myself up. . . . I am against America.

 

On May 25, 2016, in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, Bilal Abood was sentenced to four years in prison for making a false statement to the FBI. Abood, an Iraqi translator for the U.S. military, was admitted to the United States through the Special Immigrant Visa program for Iraqi translators in 2009, and subsequently became a citizen. Abood enlisted in the Army and went through basic training at Fort Jackson in 2010, but left for unknown reasons. According to court documents, after being prevented from boarding an international flight, Abood told FBI agents that he intended to go to Iraq to visit family. Subsequently, Abood left the United States through Mexico and then traveled through various countries to get to Syria to join ISIS. A subsequent search of his computer revealed that he pledged an oath to the leader of ISIS, despite denying that he had ever made such a pledge.

 

On January 29, 2013, in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Kentucky, Waad Ramadan Alwan was sentenced to 40 years in federal prison, followed by a life term of supervised release for a number of offenses related to terrorism. Alwan is a native of Iraq who was admitted to the United States as a refugee in 2009. According to the Department of Justices press release, Alwan, whose fingerprints were found on an unexploded IED found in Iraq, pleaded guilty earlier in the case on December 16, 2011, to all counts of a 23-count federal indictment. He pleaded guilty to conspiring to kill U.S. nationals abroad; conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction (explosives) against U.S. nationals abroad; distributing information on the manufacture and use of IEDs; attempting to provide material support to terrorists and to AQI; and conspiring to transfer, possess, and export Stinger missiles. (emphasis added). During the investigation, while unwittingly working with an FBI informant, Alwan drew diagrams of roadside bomb models and boasted about attacks on American troops in Iraq. In a discussion with an FBI informant, Alwan allegedly said that he was skilled with a sniper rifle, and that his lunch and dinner would be an American [soldier].

 

6 Iran FBI and DEA agents have disrupted a plot to commit a significant terrorist act in the United States tied to Iran, federal officials told ABC News today. The officials said the plot included the assassination of the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States, Adel Al-Jubeir, with a bomb and subsequent bomb attacks on the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Washington, D.C. Bombings of the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Buenos Aires, Argentina, were also discussed, according to the U.S. officials. U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said in an announcement today that the plan was conceived, sponsored and was directed from Iran by a faction of the government and called it a flagrant violation of U.S. and international law. The U.S. is committed to holding Iran accountable for its actions, Holder said. (link)

 

On January 29, 2013, in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Kentucky, Mohanad Shareef Hammadi was sentenced to life in prison for a number of offenses related to terrorism. Hammadi is a native of Iraq who was admitted to the United States as a refugee in 2009. According to the Department of Justices press release, Hammadi pleaded guilty on August 21, 2012, to a 12-count superseding indictment. Charges against him included attempting to provide material support to terrorists and to AQI; conspiring to transfer, possess, and export Stinger missiles; and making a false statement in an immigration application.

 

7 Libya A U.S. citizen was among nine killed when gunmen stormed a luxury hotel in the Libyan capital of Tripoli on Tuesday, a senior State Department official said. The attack on the Corinthia Hotel, which sits along the Mediterranean Sea, triggered an hours-long standoff that ended when two assailants set off a grenade that killed them, officials said. Four foreigners and five guards were killed in the attack. The State Department official didnt provide additional details. (link) There is no current central government in Libya.

 

♦ President Obama puts six month ban on Iraqi refugees in 2011 and media. crickets.

♦ President Trump puts 120 day suspension on Syrian refugees 2017 media explodes.

 

♦ Obama selects 7 countries for enhanced visa security policy and media crickets.

♦ Trump uses Obama law, same Obama DHS policy, and same 7 countries; for a 90-day visa suspension and media explodes.

[BLS 314]

I just owned everybody.

 

 

BOOM! Headshot!

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Drobeski> Wiffleball and the spice girls.

[MDC 7,883]

(Via CNN) No person accepted to the United States as a refugee, Syrian or otherwise, has been implicated in a major fatal terrorist attack since the Refugee Act of 1980 set up systematic procedures for accepting refugees into the United States, according to an analysis of terrorism immigration risks by the Cato Institute.

 

Oh Really? No Refugees implicated in terrorism? Read on

 

 

1 Yemen Anwar al-Awlaki was an American and Yemeni imam and Islamic lecturer.

 

The punchlines write themselves with dumbeski.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Bless their hearts...they think they owned someone or got something right. The mental gymnastics needed to keep supporting Trump in this is amazing.

[KSB2424 3,173]

So for us trying to decipher this mess lets recap:

 

1. This is NOT a religious test or Muslim Ban.

 

2. U.S. Citizens traveling in and out of the country are NOT affected. U.S. citizens of all religions.

 

3. People who are affected and in my opinion should not be are those who are currently abroad, but are from one of these seven countries, and have a valid US green card or work visa. This is the wrinkle that needs attention.

 

IMO the only really thing worth arguing about is number 3. And how many people are we talking from the past two days does that actually apply? I bet it was less than a 100?

[MDC 7,883]

So for us trying to decipher this mess lets recap:

 

1. This is NOT a religious test or Muslim Ban.

 

2. U.S. Citizens traveling in and out of the country are NOT affected. U.S. citizens of all religions.

 

3. People who are affected and in my opinion should not be are those who are currently abroad, but are from one of these seven countries, and have a valid US green card or work visa. This is the wrinkle that needs attention.

 

IMO the only really thing worth arguing about is number 3. And how many people are we talking from the past two days does that actually apply? I bet it was less than a 100?

Seems to me you're the only person who needed to get up to speed on this.

[KSB2424 3,173]

Seems to me you're the only person who needed to get up to speed on this.

 

So why is everybody freaking out?

 

We're talking about a small number of people, those from 7 countries with work visas or green cards who are currently abroad, that are in "limbo"

 

Everything else seems fine.

 

I was trying to see what all the fuss was about. If you watch the news you'd think the world was ending.

[MDC 7,883]

 

So why is everybody freaking out?

 

We're talking about a small number of people, those from 7 countries with work visas or green cards who are currently abroad, that are in "limbo"

 

Everything else seems fine.

 

I was trying to see what all the fuss was about. If you watch the news you'd think the world was ending.

They're freaking out because:

 

1. People who are legally here on green cards / visas were barred from re-admittance and:

2. The way these seven countries were selected seems arbitrary since it excludes several terror hotbeds.

 

Somehow you managed to decide the media is overreacting without even having basic info on this story.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

So why is everybody freaking out?

 

We're talking about a small number of people, those from 7 countries with work visas or green cards who are currently abroad, that are in "limbo"

 

Everything else seems fine.

 

I was trying to see what all the fuss was about. If you watch the news you'd think the world was ending.

 

Hey...that bomb only killed 7 people...no biggie.

 

It affected quite a few people over the weekend...affects quite a few in the coming months. Affects our people in other countries...affects us fighting ISIS in Iraq.

Affects people that have spilled blood to help our country fight in Iraq.

Affects the families of people trying to come here as well.

 

Its not as if I know a ton...but worked with a guy from Iraq...Kurdish refugee. It affects many of his family members.

My daughter's good friend is a girl whose family is from Somalia. It is affecting her as well.

 

Look up Mo Farrah's words.

Look up the growing number of Republicans opposing this as well.

 

It was dumb to start with and implemented in an even dumber way.

[KSB2424 3,173]

Did Sho Nuff just compare people dying to being in limbo returning to the US due to their green card status?

[12th Man 884]

Visited the Statue of Liberty just today. Was a powerful experience. It represents what America has always stood for and should always stand for.

 

How a man like Trump, who resides mere miles from there (and Ellis Island) could be pushing this crap is beyond me. It's shameful.

cry me a river.

[12th Man 884]

 

You should look up what hypocrisy means...then realize the huge...huge...differences between what Obama did and what Trump just did.

I doubt you will...you all will just claim libs are hypocrites and its all the same...despite the facts showing something far different.

And get that gateway pundit crap out of here...for fock's sake .

you have a serious mental disorder.

[cbfalcon 827]

So for us trying to decipher this mess lets recap:

 

1. This is NOT a religious test or Muslim Ban.

 

 

 

If you want to play the legal game or argue semantics, then whatever. But read the following and tell me what the applied results are:

 

“Upon the resumption of USRAP admissions, the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, is further directed to make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality.”

 

“Notwithstanding the temporary suspension imposed pursuant to subsection (a) of this section, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may jointly determine to admit individuals to the United States as refugees on a case-by-case basis, in their discretion, but only so long as they determine that the admission of such individuals as refugees is in the national interest -- including when the person is a religious minority in his country of nationality facing religious persecution,”

[Mike Honcho 5,433]

Visited the Statue of Liberty just today. Was a powerful experience. It represents what America has always stood for and should always stand for.

How a man like Trump, who resides mere miles from there (and Ellis Island) could be pushing this crap is beyond me. It's shameful.

Seeing the 1000's of Muslims in Jersey cheering when the towers came down changed President Trump.

[KSB2424 3,173]

 

If you want to play the legal game or argue semantics, then whatever. But read the following and tell me what the applied results are:

 

“Upon the resumption of USRAP admissions, the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, is further directed to make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality.”

 

“Notwithstanding the temporary suspension imposed pursuant to subsection (a) of this section, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may jointly determine to admit individuals to the United States as refugees on a case-by-case basis, in their discretion, but only so long as they determine that the admission of such individuals as refugees is in the national interest -- including when the person is a religious minority in his country of nationality facing religious persecution,”

 

I'm not trying to get in semantics.

 

I know this is not the Geek Club way, but I'm trying to decipher all the non sense.

 

So after reading that, which I don't like, there is a "religious test" aspect on a case by case basis for non US Citizen refugees. However there is no Muslim Ban. If there was it'd be worldwide, not just 7 countries.

 

So two things I don't like about this X.O.

 

1. I don't like that it puts current green card holders and visa holders from those 7 countries in "limbo".

 

2. I don't like that there is an implicit religious aspect when granting access to America for refugees on a case by case basis.

 

 

Where the media needs to slow their roll is

 

1. This is not a Muslim ban. It simply is not, lets stop with that. That is not semantics. Muslims are all over the world. A Muslim-Canadian shouldn't be affected by this. We need to stop saying that.

 

2. U.S. Citizens (Muslims) should not be affected in their traveling back into America. For some reason, if you read the news people are confused in that regard.

[cbfalcon 827]

 

I'm not trying to get in semantics.

 

I know this is not the Geek Club way, but I'm trying to decipher all the non sense.

 

So after reading that, which I don't like, there is a "religious test" aspect on a case by case basis for non US Citizen refugees. However there is no Muslim Ban. If there was it'd be worldwide, not just 7 countries.

 

So two things I don't like about this X.O.

 

1. I don't like that it puts current green card holders and visa holders from those 7 countries in "limbo".

 

2. I don't like that there is an implicit religious aspect when granting access to America for refugees on a case by case basis.

 

 

Where the media needs to slow their roll is

 

1. This is not a Muslim ban. It simply is not, lets stop with that. That is not semantics. Muslims are all over the world. A Muslim-Canadian shouldn't be affected by this. We need to stop saying that.

 

2. U.S. Citizens (Muslims) should not be affected in their traveling back into America. For some reason, if you read the news people are confused in that regard.

 

KSB, yes, US citizens are unaffected. We agree.

 

But for those 7 countries, it is a Muslim ban. It's just written cleverly.

 

Currently, the government can let someone in as long as "the person is a religious minority in his country of nationality."...and once (if) the refugee program starts back up , priority for getting in is based on "the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality".

 

Well, the countries listed thus far are Muslim Majority countries. All other religions (like Christianity) are "minority religions". Therefore, you can be let into the USA if you are anything at all other than Muslim. It's a Muslim Ban of those 7 countries.

[cbfalcon 827]

Lets just use some common sense. It's a Muslim ban. Trump called it a Muslim Ban for months. Lawyers made him change the wording. Legal got involved and wrote it cleverly. But it's a Muslim Ban of those 7 countries. Even Rudy will tell you.

 

"I’ll tell you the whole history of it: When he first announced it, he said ‘Muslim ban,'" Giuliani said on Fox News.

"He called me up, he said, ‘Put a commission together, show me the right way to do it legally.’"

Giuliani said he then put together a commission that included lawmakers and expert lawyers.

"And what we did was we focused on, instead of religion, danger," Giuliani said.

"The areas of the world that create danger for us, which is a factual basis, not a religious basis. Perfectly legal, perfectly sensible."

 

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

I think it is pretty pretty funny that all the women at the womens march fighting for equal rights, are the same women protesting against the Muslim ban (that lack any equal rights) and if they wen't to any of these countries they would be treated like trash simply because they are women. Oh the irony. Explain that one Libtards.

[NewbieJr 541]

Lets just use some common sense. It's a Muslim ban. Trump called it a Muslim Ban for months. Lawyers made him change the wording. Legal got involved and wrote it cleverly. But it's a Muslim Ban of those 7 countries. Even Rudy will tell you.

 

Obviously, Trump's spin doctors are trying everything in their power to try to make this not look like a Muslim ban. But the moron actually made it one of his campaign promises. D'oh! It's Muslim ban! 100%. In all the Muslim co8untries except those where he has hotels. It took only ten days to see why there were rules in place to not have a President with businesses that are a conflict of interest.

[NewbieJr 541]

I think it is pretty pretty funny that all the women at the womens march fighting for equal rights, are the same women protesting against the Muslim ban (that lack any equal rights) and if they wen't to any of these countries they would be treated like trash simply because they are women. Oh the irony. Explain that one Libtards.

Ummm, Einstein, maybe the reason a lot of people flee those countries is because of the way women are treated. So that makes 100% that women would want them to be allowed to. You should delete your account. So focking dumb.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

Ummm, Einstein, maybe the reason a lot of people flee those countries is because of the way women are treated. So that makes 100% that women would want them to be allowed to. You should delete your account. So focking dumb.

 

wrong, what he is getting at is maybe everyone should get on board that Islam is just a barbaric ideology, and one that has spread like wildfire, condoning violence. We don't need more Islam here, I am more for banning Islam than I am afraid of some ISIS member infultrating refugees

[NewbieJr 541]

 

wrong, what he is getting at is maybe everyone should get on board that Islam is just a barbaric ideology, and one that has spread like wildfire, condoning violence. We don't need more Islam here, I am more for banning Islam than I am afraid of some ISIS member infultrating refugees

I don't care what he was getting at. People who enjoy that barbaric life stay in those countries. They know they can't come here and treat women like that. If you ban Islam, you just recruited about a million of them who already live here to become radicals. That'll be fun. Think of the Orlando nightclub, only weekly. Go Trump!

[KSB2424 3,173]

Lets just use some common sense. It's a Muslim ban. Trump called it a Muslim Ban for months. Lawyers made him change the wording. Legal got involved and wrote it cleverly. But it's a Muslim Ban of those 7 countries. Even Rudy will tell you.

 

 

Well yeah, for those 7 countries......ONLY. It's not semantics its a critical point and differentiation.

 

A person is not banned from coming into the United States of America just because they are Muslim. There are almost 2 Billion Muslims in the world. I just looked up the entire population of those 7 Countries and its roughly 200 Million in total (assuming every single person is Muslim which they are not).

 

That's 10%. So if you want to be absolutely factual. There is a Ban on 10% of Muslims. The one's that come from ISIS hotbeds. Muslims coming from Canada, Mexico, Europe, Australia, or the hundred other countries around the world, etc are not affected.

 

Going around stating that America has instituted a MUSLIM BAN!@#! is dishonest and only riles people up.

 

I'm not on board with this Executive Order. I don't like how this went down and think it could've been handled better, but we need to properly understand what it is and not use hyperbole to rile people up.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

I don't care what he was getting at. People who enjoy that barbaric life stay in those countries. They know they can't come here and treat women like that. If you ban Islam, you just recruited about a million of them who already live here to become radicals. That'll be fun. Think of the Orlando nightclub, only weekly. Go Trump!

 

problem is that every mosque in the US is ruled over by an Imam, and sharia law is already here. It happens here already. I don't have a solution, but Islam is the fastest growing ideology in the world, and its because of the violence that it condones and allows.

[MDC 7,883]

KSB sure knows a lot about this ban for a guy who learned the most basic facts about it an hour ago.

 

His ability to metabolize info to support the conclusion he already reached is astonishing.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Well yeah, for those 7 countries......ONLY. It's not semantics its a critical point and differentiation.

 

A person is not banned from coming into the United States of America just because they are Muslim. There are almost 2 Billion Muslims in the world. I just looked up the entire population of those 7 Countries and its roughly 200 Million in total (assuming every single person is Muslim which they are not).

 

That's 10%. So if you want to be absolutely factual. There is a Ban on 10% of Muslims. The one's that come from ISIS hotbeds. Muslims coming from Canada, Mexico, Europe, Australia, or the hundred other countries around the world, etc are not affected.

 

Going around stating that America has instituted a MUSLIM BAN!@#! is dishonest and only riles people up.

 

I'm not on board with this Executive Order. I don't like how this went down and think it could've been handled better, but we need to properly understand what it is and not use hyperbole to rile people up.

You know as well as I do that this is a thinly veiled Muslim ban. It's what the ass hole promised during the campaign. He's still trying to impress the yahoos that attended his pep rallies. Since he failed miserably on Mexico paying for the wall, he had to come through on something else. And this would have been far more reaching than seven countries if not for Trump's business interests in other countries.

[Reality 3,121]

Early polls are showing that the American people support the policy. Let the vocal minority protest, it's their right to do so, most of us agree with Trump.

 

On my phone, google it yourself.

[KSB2424 3,173]

You know as well as I do that this is a thinly veiled Muslim ban. It's what the ass hole promised during the campaign. He's still trying to impress the yahoos that attended his pep rallies. Since he failed miserably on Mexico paying for the wall, he had to come through on something else. And this would have been far more reaching than seven countries if not for Trump's business interests in other countries.

 

Well that's your opinion and conjecture. Could be right, could be wrong.

[KSB2424 3,173]

KSB sure knows a lot about this ban for a guy who learned the most basic facts about it an hour ago.

 

His ability to metabolize info to support the conclusion he already reached is astonishing.

 

I'm a quick study, what can I say.

[cbfalcon 827]

 

Well yeah, for those 7 countries......ONLY. It's not semantics its a critical point and differentiation.

 

A person is not banned from coming into the United States of America just because they are Muslim. There are almost 2 Billion Muslims in the world. I just looked up the entire population of those 7 Countries and its roughly 200 Million in total (assuming every single person is Muslim which they are not).

 

That's 10%. So if you want to be absolutely factual. There is a Ban on 10% of Muslims. The one's that come from ISIS hotbeds. Muslims coming from Canada, Mexico, Europe, Australia, or the hundred other countries around the world, etc are not affected.

 

Going around stating that America has instituted a MUSLIM BAN!@#! is dishonest and only riles people up.

 

I'm not on board with this Executive Order. I don't like how this went down and think it could've been handled better, but we need to properly understand what it is and not use hyperbole to rile people up.

 

Ok, I'll agree. While it's not “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what's going on.” like Trump wanted, I hope we can agree that the most accurate statement is "While the order “does not apply to all Muslims, the policy only applies to Muslims,”

 

That sentence, which is true, is taken from a lawsuit filed.

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/30/biggest-lawsuit-yet-filed-against-donald-trump-s-immigration-order.html