What if it's found that Trump did help the Russians

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

I thought this was going to be Obama race baiting the nation when he said, "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon.

A. That comment isn't actually race baiting.

B. Nope...a letter from a very good President and great man handling things how they should be.

[Cdub100 3,851]

A. That comment isn't actually race baiting.

B. Nope...a letter from a very good President and great man handling things how they should be.

A. It's the focking definition of race baiting

 

B. Jr should be arrested any day now. Eh comrade?

[Sho Nuff 720]

A. It's the focking definition of race baiting

 

B. Jr should be arrested any day now. Eh comrade?

A. I'd ask you to explain...but that would require you to think.

B. Did I say that? Nope...I simply was complimenting President Bush.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Looks like it was Obama and Lynch helping the Russians. Big difference between lynch doing something and Don jr doing something. Lol.

 

Yep...........Crickets from the bored Left wingers.

 

More cricket inspiring lines of thoughts:

1. DNC 'hacking' report came from Ukraine funded Crowdstrike who also had ties with Hillary Clinton. They're the same firm who wrongly accused Russia in the hacking of Ukrainian artillery, no?

 

2. Ukraine tried influencing our election in Hillary's favor. So no sanctions against them for attempting to meddle in our election? No special counsel for Hillary?

 

3. Lynch provides cover for Hillary shutting down the FBI email investigation. Same lady that provided access to the 'Kremlin' Attorney. No special counsel for Lynch?

[12th Man 884]

 

The mainstream media has suffered a serious bout of amnesia -- a Russian concussion, if you will.

Of course, the MSM is ignoring the clear evidence that Hillary Clinton is guilty (very guilty) of altering the course of the Democratic primary to defeat Sen. Bernie Sanders (just skim through those Democratic National Committee emails and you'll see). But the media is also pretending (or is simply unaware, not sure which is worse) that nations don't try to alter the outcome of elections in other nations.

Take 1996. Boris Yeltsin, the president of Russia, was up for re-election in the summer and the United States felt that he was easier to deal with than his opposition, Communist rival Gennadi Zyuganov. But Yeltsin, the hard-partying and affable leader, had health problems and his approval rating was dismal -- single digits. His chances did not look good.

Enter the United States, which, in a clandestine operation successfully helped Yeltsin pulled out a win.

 

 

Remember when the Clinton admin interfered in the Russian elections? Good times, good times...

 

http://www.dailywire.com/news/18593/flashback-time-magazine-1996-bragged-about-how-us-joseph-curl?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Yep...........Crickets from the bored Left wingers.

 

More cricket inspiring lines of thoughts:

1. DNC 'hacking' report came from Ukraine funded Crowdstrike who also had ties with Hillary Clinton. They're the same firm who wrongly accused Russia in the hacking of Ukrainian artillery, no?

 

2. Ukraine tried influencing our election in Hillary's favor. So no sanctions against them for attempting to meddle in our election? No special counsel for Hillary?

 

3. Lynch provides cover for Hillary shutting down the FBI email investigation. Same lady that provided access to the 'Kremlin' Attorney. No special counsel for Lynch?

1. Ukrained funded? Still rolling with that lie huh?

2. No special counsel for Hillary...that should tell how little there is there that Trumps own DOJ isn't looking into it.

3. Access? Haha. Love this. So Lynch Hillary and thenObama admin set it all up last year...so that they could...this is the good part...not release any of it during the campaign, election, or before the inauguration. But wait til July to use the information? Do you not see how illogical that is?

[Baker Boy 1,691]

Obama tampered with the Israeli election and the Brexit vote in the UK

[Sho Nuff 720]

Obama tampered with the Israeli election and the Brexit vote in the UK

 

Deflection of course...but Ill ask for a link anyway...knowing you will never provide one.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,013]

 

Deflection of course...but Ill ask for a link anyway...knowing you will never provide one.

Obama said England would have to get in the back of the line when it came to trade deals if they left the EU. Thats tampering if there ever was.

[crackattack 520]

America sometimes get what it deserves. We interfere in elections all over the globe, all throughout history, then we're shocked when foreign countries do the same. I honestly believe we deserve what we get. Don't want foreign countries interfering with our elections, then we should stop doing it.

 

The moral police are rich with hypocrisy. We should be condemning our government equally for their appalling behavior/interference in foreign elections. In the technology age, almost every country can be a player in tampering with elections, not just the big boys.

 

I say we stop tampering with foreign elections and beef up our own cyber security, and maybe, just maybe, we might not have these types of problems in the future.

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/worldviews/wp/2016/10/13/the-long-history-of-the-u-s-interfering-with-elections-elsewhere/&ved=0ahUKEwiF6Nfe_IjVAhUFwmMKHRhBArMQFggdMAA&usg=AFQjCNEesBRx5l7Io1nGpZ0kZJP0eJmdhg

[Baker Boy 1,691]

Deflection of course...but Ill ask for a link anyway...knowing you will never provide one.

The Obama presidential election team has set up camp in Tel Aviv with the mission to defeat Netanyahu in our upcoming election.

 

The Anyone but Bibi mission is headed by Jeremy Bird, Obamas National Field Director in his successful presidential campaigns.

 

Under Bird, a group called Victory 15 has been set up. It has recruited the young activists from Israels 2013 social protest movement and will man a massive social network and personal contact campaign to defeat Bibi. V15 is financed by an NGO called One Voice whose motto is to be the voice of mainstream Israelis and Palestinians. Research finds that One Voice is funded by John Kerrys State Department.

http://m.jpost.com/Blogs/The-View-from-Israel/Obamas-shocking-interference-into-Israels-election-process-389858

 

'Monstrous interference': UK pols furious at Obama's plan to intervene in EU debate

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/22/monstrous-interference-uk-pols-furious-at-obamas-plan-to-intervene-in-eu-debate.html

[NewbieJr 541]

The Obama presidential election team has set up camp in Tel Aviv with the mission to defeat Netanyahu in our upcoming election.

 

The Anyone but Bibi mission is headed by Jeremy Bird, Obamas National Field Director in his successful presidential campaigns.

 

Under Bird, a group called Victory 15 has been set up. It has recruited the young activists from Israels 2013 social protest movement and will man a massive social network and personal contact campaign to defeat Bibi. V15 is financed by an NGO called One Voice whose motto is to be the voice of mainstream Israelis and Palestinians. Research finds that One Voice is funded by John Kerrys State Department.

http://m.jpost.com/Blogs/The-View-from-Israel/Obamas-shocking-interference-into-Israels-election-process-389858

 

'Monstrous interference': UK pols furious at Obama's plan to intervene in EU debate

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/22/monstrous-interference-uk-pols-furious-at-obamas-plan-to-intervene-in-eu-debate.html

That's it!! I'm never voting for him again.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,013]

The Obama presidential election team has set up camp in Tel Aviv with the mission to defeat Netanyahu in our upcoming election.

 

The Anyone but Bibi mission is headed by Jeremy Bird, Obamas National Field Director in his successful presidential campaigns.

 

Under Bird, a group called Victory 15 has been set up. It has recruited the young activists from Israels 2013 social protest movement and will man a massive social network and personal contact campaign to defeat Bibi. V15 is financed by an NGO called One Voice whose motto is to be the voice of mainstream Israelis and Palestinians. Research finds that One Voice is funded by John Kerrys State Department.

http://m.jpost.com/Blogs/The-View-from-Israel/Obamas-shocking-interference-into-Israels-election-process-389858

 

'Monstrous interference': UK pols furious at Obama's plan to intervene in EU debate

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/22/monstrous-interference-uk-pols-furious-at-obamas-plan-to-intervene-in-eu-debate.html

Slow nuff takes another beating. He's amazing.

[Sho Nuff 720]

America sometimes get what it deserves. We interfere in elections all over the globe, all throughout history, then we're shocked when foreign countries do the same. I honestly believe we deserve what we get. Don't want foreign countries interfering with our elections, then we should stop doing it.

 

The moral police are rich with hypocrisy. We should be condemning our government equally for their appalling behavior/interference in foreign elections. In the technology age, almost every country can be a player in tampering with elections, not just the big boys.

 

I say we stop tampering with foreign elections and beef up our own cyber security, and maybe, just maybe, we might not have these types of problems in the future.

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/worldviews/wp/2016/10/13/the-long-history-of-the-u-s-interfering-with-elections-elsewhere/&ved=0ahUKEwiF6Nfe_IjVAhUFwmMKHRhBArMQFggdMAA&usg=AFQjCNEesBRx5l7Io1nGpZ0kZJP0eJmdhg

The problem isn't just tampering with our election.

The problem is, not only the possibility, but now probability that one of the candidates was also involved (or at the very least his campaign).

 

The "we do it to" defense is so piss poor.

[drobeski 3,061]

The problem isn't just tampering with our election.

The problem is, not only the possibility, but now probability that one of the candidates was also involved (or at the very least his campaign).

 

The "we do it to" defense is so piss poor.

you talking about the dnc tampering with the primaries ?

[Sho Nuff 720]

The Obama presidential election team has set up camp in Tel Aviv with the mission to defeat Netanyahu in our upcoming election.

 

The Anyone but Bibi mission is headed by Jeremy Bird, Obamas National Field Director in his successful presidential campaigns.

 

Under Bird, a group called Victory 15 has been set up. It has recruited the young activists from Israels 2013 social protest movement and will man a massive social network and personal contact campaign to defeat Bibi. V15 is financed by an NGO called One Voice whose motto is to be the voice of mainstream Israelis and Palestinians. Research finds that One Voice is funded by John Kerrys State Department.

http://m.jpost.com/Blogs/The-View-from-Israel/Obamas-shocking-interference-into-Israels-election-process-389858

 

'Monstrous interference': UK pols furious at Obama's plan to intervene in EU debate

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/22/monstrous-interference-uk-pols-furious-at-obamas-plan-to-intervene-in-eu-debate.html

 

Byrd...a former Obama guy who never worked in the Obama White House is your big tie? 3 years after he ever worked for the Obama campaign?

 

LOL at the Brexit one. He may give an opinion based on being asked. Yeah...thats the same as the Russian involvement. (this is why its so easy to laugh at the bullshit you post)

[Sho Nuff 720]

you talking about the dnc tampering with the primaries ?

 

Nope...but not shocking that is your first line of deflection.

[crackattack 520]

The problem isn't just tampering with our election.

The problem is, not only the possibility, but now probability that one of the candidates was also involved (or at the very least his campaign).

 

The "we do it to" defense is so piss poor.

Firstly, it's not a defense. It's fact. We interfere all over the globe. Fact.

 

Secondly. I'm not defending the Trump campaign or the people involved. If they get busted, they get busted. If they are guilty of collusion, they'll get what's coming to them.

 

Thirdly. Why are we allowed to tamper in elections, but get outraged when it happens to us? Seems only fair....no? If we're the leader of the free world, we should lead by example, or don't bitchh when it happens to us.

 

4. The US has literally thrown money at foreign campaigns. We've intervened to try and help individual candidates. We've spread propaganda in favor of certain foreign candidates. The CIA has been actively involved in trying to sway foreign elections in favor of certain individuals.

 

So in all honesty, why shouldn't foreign countries follow our lead? After all, we are the the example of freedom, democracy, the light on the hill, that we want other countries to strive to be.

[Cdub100 3,851]

The end is neigh, eh comrades?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Firstly, it's not a defense. It's fact. We interfere all over the globe. Fact.

 

Secondly. I'm not defending the Trump campaign or the people involved. If they get busted, they get busted. If they are guilty of collusion, they'll get what's coming to them.

 

Thirdly. Why are we allowed to tamper in elections, but get outraged when it happens to us? Seems only fair....no? If we're the leader of the free world, we should lead by example, or don't bitchh when it happens to us.

 

4. The US has literally thrown money at foreign campaigns. We've intervened to try and help individual candidates. We've spread propaganda in favor of certain foreign candidates. The CIA has been actively involved in trying to sway foreign elections in favor of certain individuals.

 

So in all honesty, why shouldn't foreign countries follow our lead? After all, we are the the example of freedom, democracy, the light on the hill, that we want other countries to strive to be.

 

Its irrelevant to the discussion about possible Trump involvement?

Should we leave other countries alone? Sure.

Have we hacked their people and spread disinformation and even attempted to hack into voter roles and such?

 

It is a defense...which is why it gets brought up here to deflect away from what we keep learning about Trump and his campaign.

 

Why are we outraged when we are attacked...yet we drop bombs and drone people and so on?

Thats what countries do...you get mad and you sanction and you try and discourage people from focking with your country. Just as I expect other countries to do if/when we are involved.

 

And I don't believe we have gone as far as what Russian is shown to have done in this election.

[crackattack 520]

 

Its irrelevant to the discussion about possible Trump involvement?

Should we leave other countries alone? Sure.

Have we hacked their people and spread disinformation and even attempted to hack into voter roles and such?

 

It is a defense...which is why it gets brought up here to deflect away from what we keep learning about Trump and his campaign.

 

Why are we outraged when we are attacked...yet we drop bombs and drone people and so on?

Thats what countries do...you get mad and you sanction and you try and discourage people from focking with your country. Just as I expect other countries to do if/when we are involved.

 

And I don't believe we have gone as far as what Russian is shown to have done in this election.

We've gone as far as Russia. We've done worse. The US has helped overthrow democratically elected governments. Has Russia ever overthrown our elected officials? No. Did the meddle in ours. Yes. Did they sway any voters? Maybe.

 

How can you say with a straight face we haven't done worse things? We've plotted coups, attempted assassinations, used military intervention, CIA intervention. Now that's it happened to us, we're in disbelief. It's astonishing the outrage that "how dare Russia intervene"! Well, we got our medicine.

 

I'll say it again. If Trump colluded, then he'll get what's coming to him. I have faith in the investigation, and if he's guilty, so be it. But, I'm not shocked it happened to us. I'm more shocked it took this long to be semi-successful.

[Sho Nuff 720]

We've gone as far as Russia. We've done worse. The US has helped overthrow democratically elected governments. Has Russia ever overthrown our elected officials? No. Did the meddle in ours. Yes. Did they sway any voters? Maybe.

 

How can you say with a straight face we haven't done worse things? We've plotted coups, attempted assassinations, used military intervention, CIA intervention. Now that's it happened to us, we're in disbelief. It's astonishing the outrage that "how dare Russia intervene"! Well, we got our medicine.

 

I'll say it again. If Trump colluded, then he'll get what's coming to him. I have faith in the investigation, and if he's guilty, so be it. But, I'm not shocked it happened to us. I'm more shocked it took this long to be semi-successful.

 

How far are you going to go back to state we did all this and still think its relevant to this?

 

Also...whats the point of bringing it up in here if its not to deflect or defend?

[crackattack 520]

 

How far are you going to go back to state we did all this and still think its relevant to this?

 

Also...whats the point of bringing it up in here if its not to deflect or defend?

I'm using our own history. Reagan did it. Nixon did it. Bush did it. Obama did it. Recent history. Or as far back as the 50's, 40's, etc. It's relevant because we have no moral authority.

 

It's called turn about is fair play. We've punished Russia with sanctions. We've punished Russia for intervening. We could still add more sanctions. It's not a deflection or defending. Shitt happens in espionage. We do, they did it. Now we figure out how much Trump was involved, if any?? Again, the investigation will play out.

[giraldi02 474]

There are 900+ posts in this thread

[Sho Nuff 720]

I'm using our own history. Reagan did it. Nixon did it. Bush did it. Obama did it. Recent history. Or as far back as the 50's, 40's, etc. It's relevant because we have no moral authority.

 

It's called turn about is fair play. We've punished Russia with sanctions. We've punished Russia for intervening. We could still add more sanctions. It's not a deflection or defending. Shitt happens in espionage. We do, they did it. Now we figure out how much Trump was involved, if any?? Again, the investigation will play out.

They all did what? You can start a new thread even rather than claims of what they all did.

The weak efforts by phurfur are nothing comparable to this.

 

What we already know shows a lot of Trump campaign ties to Russia. And that's with things being completely quiet from Mueller (his stuff likely won't leak as he doesn't want things out there so they can nail people on perjury once they tell a bogus story)

[Hardcore troubadour 15,013]

There are 900+ posts in this thread

Got that PM yet ? Nope, ya don't. What a loser.

[giraldi02 474]

They all did what? You can start a new thread even rather than claims of what they all did.

America has meddled in others affairs for the better part of the 20th century. This is pretty well documented tbh.

 

[giraldi02 474]

Got that PM yet ######? Nope, ya don't. What a loser.

As a matter of fact yep I do. Uploaded it last week. Thanks for asking. Don't worry though, I'll avoid making you look like a liar for now

[crackattack 520]

They all did what? You can start a new thread even rather than claims of what they all did.

The weak efforts by phurfur are nothing comparable to this.

 

What we already know shows a lot of Trump campaign ties to Russia. And that's with things being completely quiet from Mueller (his stuff likely won't leak as he doesn't want things out there so they can nail people on perjury once they tell a bogus story)

Which part of "the investigation will play out", or "I have faith in the investigation" are you not getting?

 

Or better yet, do you not think it was a come upping for America? Do you not think our interventions in foreign elections matter to what happens to us? Do you not think we had this coming to us? Our history can dictate what other countries try to do to us.

 

We are to be emulated, right? Our democracy is what we try to spread, right? Our brand of government is to be used by others, right? We've been attempting to spread our brand of government all over the world, right? Well, Russia copied our use of espionage. They used our own playbook aagainst us. To me, it's extremely relevant.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,013]

As a matter of fact yep I do. Uploaded it last week. Thanks for asking. Don't worry though, I'll avoid making you look like a liar for now

Poor White Trash, like I said

[giraldi02 474]

Poor White Trash, like I said

full tilt

[wiffleball 4,788]

Like I said before - The Real Question both sides should be asking isn't whether the Ruskies effed with the election, but WHY?

 

Why do they want Trump so badly?

 

In the end, the answer to that is key.

[crackattack 520]

Like I said before - The Real Question both sides should be asking isn't whether the Ruskies effed with the election, but WHY?

 

Why do they want Trump so badly?

 

In the end, the answer to that is key.

Good question. I truly believe Putin hated Hillary. Hated her enough to use our tactics against us. Hated her enough to intervene to try and help Trump. If there's more, I believe the investigation will prove it.

[Sho Nuff 720]

America has meddled in others affairs for the better part of the 20th century. This is pretty well documented tbh.

 

Sure...how long ago and the extent of the meddling is the question. As well as what relevance does it have?

We do a lot of things around the world...but will be sure we take action against countries that do the same to us.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Which part of "the investigation will play out", or "I have faith in the investigation" are you not getting?

 

Or better yet, do you not think it was a come upping for America? Do you not think our interventions in foreign elections matter to what happens to us? Do you not think we had this coming to us? Our history can dictate what other countries try to do to us.

 

We are to be emulated, right? Our democracy is what we try to spread, right? Our brand of government is to be used by others, right? We've been attempting to spread our brand of government all over the world, right? Well, Russia copied our use of espionage. They used our own playbook aagainst us. To me, it's extremely relevant.

I thin the Russians doing it is the smallest part of the story. We do expect they will. What is not acceptable at all is the behavior of Trump campaign members (and of Hillary did anything fock her over good too)

[12th Man 884]

For Newbie, Sho, and Wiff...

 

 

They are one person
They are two alone
They are three together
They are for each other

 

 

[wiffleball 4,788]

Good question. I truly believe Putin hated Hillary. Hated her enough to use our tactics against us. Hated her enough to intervene to try and help Trump. If there's more, I believe the investigation will prove it.

 

I actually posted one most likely answer:

 

The Magnitski Act. Putin Focking Hates it. HRC would expand it, but would never repeal it - not even negotiable.

With Trump - not only is he an international Rube easily manipulated - But he sees everything as negotiable. - Really wish this would get more coverage.

[drobeski 3,061]

Like I said before - The Real Question both sides should be asking isn't whether the Ruskies effed with the election, but WHY?

 

Why do they want Trump so badly?

 

In the end, the answer to that is key.

i believe they wanted hillary, they already knew the white house was for sale with her. I think the deep state along with the media are colluding to cover up the nasty shenanigans the last administration along with a bunch of politicians on both sides of the aisle were up to and involved with regarding thr Clinton foundation and massive money grabbing and corruption.

This is all a cover up of those deeds and why the fake outrage russia narrative was invented and created. This fake reaction and outrage was predicted well before the election and its playing out exactly as predicted.

[crackattack 520]

I thin the Russians doing it is the smallest part of the story. We do expect they will. What is not acceptable at all is the behavior of Trump campaign members (and of Hillary did anything fock her over good too)

I understand the behavior of the Trumps campaign is not acceptable. But, laws need to have been broken, and proven to be broke. Charges need to be filed. Innuendos and "bad behavior" or "extremely negligent" isn't enough. We saw that in the email investigation. That's why I'll wait for the investigation to end.

 

Remember, Putin and others, believe Obama and Hillary intervened in the Ukraine elections. They backed the pro-western candidate. They used influence and propaganda to sway the election. I believe Putin used that as a reason to meddle in ours. So there's the relevance of us doing it, so others will also.

[giraldi02 474]

Sure...how long ago and the extent of the meddling is the question. As well as what relevance does it have?

We do a lot of things around the world...but will be sure we take action against countries that do the same to us.

The relevance is that this type of behavior goes on right under most people's noses and has for 100 years minimum. No one here bats an eye when we interfere in a country like Honduras or Iran. But you bring up Russia and the panic sets in.

 

There's a long history of the US and Russia engaging in this type of behavior against one another.

 

Need we be reminded about "formulating a policy of American tutelage"?

 

Because that was pretty relevant and pretty recent. Seeing as how it was good ol' Bill that brought that to the forefront, it also helps explain why the Russians would be adamantly against HRC and Bill re-entering the White House. There's a potential for motive.

 

How much involvement Trump himself had in their actions over the past year and a half is the key to all of this though. Those details are trickling in and have already cost some people roles in the administration. His knowledge however is ultimately the biggest question. As long as he can claim ignorance w/o any concrete evidence against him, it's an uphill climb for the special counsel. Even if all his underlings fail, he still needs to be definitively proven to have been involved in order for anything to come out of this