Release the FISA memo

[drobeski 3,061]

 

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/30/executive-branch-now-has-custody-of-intel-memo-for-review-prior-to-release/

 

 

 

The media narrative engineers are busy at work attempting to cloud the constitutional framework behind the accurate, lawful, sequence of steps surrounding the Nunes House Intel Memo. Dont fall for the tricks.

 

The legislative branch has now voted in committee to declassify the House Intelligence Memo on FISA-702 abuse, and systemic fraudulent DOJ/FBI use therein. The memo has been sent to the executive branch for review and public release approval.

 

 

 

The White House has five days to review. Any DOJ or FBI officials who have a position against public release are now responsible to make their case known to the Office of the President who is in charge of them, and the executive branch.

 

Specifically because the Chief Executive (President Trump) granted permission for FBI Director Christopher Wray to see the intelligence memo prior to the House Intel vote; Director Wray and Asst. AG Rosenstein had an obligation to debrief the executive on their findings. Thats why Wray and Rosenstein were at the West Wing yesterday. However, the vote last evening transferred the declassification decision to the executive.

 

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Likely the National Security Council, the Office of Legal Counsel, and all relevant Intelligence agency heads will have an opportunity to review and provide input prior to President Trump giving his final approval for declassification and making the document public. Tweet,.. not accidental:

 

 

Following the constitutional framework, POTUS Trump now holds all the cards.

 

Anticipating the executive branch wanting the Tuesday and Wednesdays media cycles to remain focused on the Presidential State of the Union address, dont anticipate the memo release prior to late Wednesday (earliest), or, more likely, Thursday.

 

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President Trump has keen political instincts on best timing.

 

With the executive holding the memo, opposing political talking-points will now shift their narrative and claim the President is undermining the DOJ and FBI with a pending release. Opposition does not want the memo released. Its just pantomime politics.

 

The executive branch IS the DOJ and FBI; the President cannot, therefore, undermine himself. Media opposition have worked earnestly for two years to create a false illusion of the intelligence apparatus being separate from the executive branch, theyre not. President Trump is the Chief Executive over all the agencies; just like President Obama was accountable for James Comey (FBI) and Loretta Lynch (DOJ) previously.

 

Then again, the prior political abuse by those agencies explains the reasoning for the medias attempt to conflate the structure of government. By creating a false separation they are, in essence, also protecting Obama from the discovery of any prior malfeasance within the executive branch Justice Department: James Comey, Andrew McCabe (FBI), or Loretta Lynch and Sally Yates (DOJ) et al.

 

Traditionally, Democrats would look to dilute any pending damage from the declassification release by leaking to the media the content therein. However, in this example, until actually released by the executive, any leaks of content by the legislative branch are felony releases of classified intelligence. And, remember, theres a leak task force looking for an opportunity to cull oppositional leakers.

 

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No doubt the corrupt officials within the FBI and DOJ, and especially those who transferred over to Robert Muellers team, have already told their media allies what to anticipate. However, if the media release their scripts too soon those black hats are, like the legislative branch, at risk of having leaked classified intelligence.

 

The memo remains classified, until President Trump says it is not. So its best to wait and see how President Trump, and the aligned White Hats, have decided to play this out.

 

Lastly, keep in mind the memo is not the valuable commodity in this move. The intelligence behind the memo is whats important.

 

The more the opposition fights against the memo, the more momentum there is to declassify and release the underlying supportive documents. Ultimately, thats the goal. President Trump would want to draw all fire upon him and the memo bringing increased attention to it, and simultaneously providing support to release the underlying evidence.

 

The FBI and DOJ, or their immediate intelligence superior, DNI Dan Coats, can declassify all the underlying documents if needed; so long as they go through the appropriate channels which means asking the Chief Executive (President Trump) for authority to do so; and going through the process of seeking input from all parties of interest including the National Security Council. Ultimately all declassification needs executive approval.

 

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Thats the same process of declassification previously used, and conveniently overlooked in all discussion by the media, when ODNI Dan Coats declassified the April 2017 FISA court opinion revealing the historic DOJ/FBI FISA-702 abuse reported by NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers.

 

Ultimately, not only does President Trump hold authority over public release of the Intelligence Memo, President Trump also holds the declassification authority for all underlying evidence used in creating the memo.

 

Now you see why the Democrats were/are so apoplectic about how brilliantly Chairman Nunes gamed out the strategy. Thats why Democrats and Media were so violently trying to besmirch Nunes personally. He strategically outmatched them and they were counting on using the compartmented structure of internal classified intelligence to keep the most damaging information hidden away from public view.

 

Where things are today appears to have been well thought out since sometime around April, May or June of 2017.

 

Key strategists: Dan Coats (DNI), Admiral Rogers (NSA), Chairman Nunes (House Intel), Chairman Goodlatte (House Judiciary) and Chairman Grassley (Senate Judiciary); against the complimentary timeline of Inspector General Michael Horowitz and his year-long Justice Department investigation.

 

None of this is random. All of this is sequential.

[Sho Nuff 720]

The left is sold on the idea that because of the specter of the Russia/Trump investigation (1) the Democrats are clean (2) the FBI is clean. If that were true the Democrats and FBI would be pushing the release of the memo, because it's hogwash. Instead they are obstructing it, because it's hogwash. The left knows what the memo will do, it will throw a monkeywrench into this dog and pony Mueller investigation, that is planned to take up most of the Trump 1st term in an effort to prevent a 2nd.

Many on the right against it as well.

And yes because its whole purpose is to throw a wrench in an independent investigation. To create distrust in intelligence gathering and they know that facts dont matter with the who already buying into it.

That many wont seak the underlying context of things and just hear spying and think its all bad.

[SaintsInDome2006 748]

 

I'm not sure where you're getting that he recused himself from the Hillary Email investigation.

 

 

 

 

http://freebeacon.com/politics/emails-no-2-fbi-official-recused-self-from-clinton-probe-one-week-before-lection/

 

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/JW-v-DOJ-McCabe-ethics-01494-pg-12-2.pdf

 

The investigation into Clinton's email server didn't even begin until AFTER McCabe's wife had lost her State Senate election bid.

 

- I mark the investigation from Summer of 2015 (the IG referral was in July 2015), and if you don't believe me on that recall that Hillary turned her server over - at Strzok's demand - in August of 2015. They had already been investigating for at least a month IIRC as Hillary's UN speech was March 2015. McCabe brought his conflicts to FBI Office of Integrity & Compliance April 2015. Mrs. McCabe lost in November 2015. McCabe himself only joins the Hillary investigation in February 2016 after he has been promoted. The investigation had been going on for a long time at that point.

 

And that second link you have proves my original point. Look who is on it - Bowdich, who is McCabe's replacement.

[SaintsInDome2006 748]

at least you claim "my bad" but still, you're wrong a lot in this attempt to defend these criminals.

 

I'm happy to learn and get things right. I'd love to see that reciprocated. And I think if we get the same facts down we will often reach more similar conclusions. As for McCabe, I will also be happy to rely on what the IG says. I hope everyone here does. My original point was just that McCabe has been replaced by Bowdich, who was part of McCabe's team, and Boente replaced Baker, and Sessions just recently fired Boente.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

- I mark the investigation from Summer of 2015 (the IG referral was in July 2015), and if you don't believe me on that recall that Hillary turned her server over - at Strzok's demand - in August of 2015. They had already been investigating for at least a month IIRC as Hillary's UN speech was March 2015. McCabe brought his conflicts to FBI Office of Integrity & Compliance April 2015. Mrs. McCabe lost in November 2015. McCabe himself only joins the Hillary investigation in February 2016 after he has been promoted. The investigation had been going on for a long time at that point.

 

And that second link you have proves my original point. Look who is on it - Bowdich, who is McCabe's replacement.

The McCabe recusal letter is dated Nov 1st, 2016.

 

There's what was reported and the facts. The FOIA revealed that email from McCabe so whatever your referencing isn't accurate.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

I want that s-bag Brennan in cuffs the most.

[SaintsInDome2006 748]

The McCabe recusal letter is dated Nov 1st, 2016.

 

There's what was reported and the facts. The FOIA revealed that email from McCabe so whatever your referencing isn't accurate.

 

What I just posted you is a reference from the same Judicial Watch Foia. - eta - It actually says - on page 2 - that on 3/11/15 McCabe informed the office of his wife's running and sought guidance on conflicts.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

And yes because its whole purpose is to throw a wrench in an independent investigation. To create distrust in intelligence gathering and they know that facts dont matter with the who already buying into it.

 

Distrust is well earned over decades, and the facts don't matter to either side so far so you can quit pretending they do. Look at yourself, you have bought into the supposition that the FISA memo is pure obfuscation, but you really don't know, do you.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Distrust is well earned over decades, and the facts don't matter to either side so far so you can quit pretending they do. Look at yourself, you have bought into the supposition that the FISA memo is pure obfuscation, but you really don't know, do you.

I believe it is based on Nunes history...the number of stories of what he hasnt actually viewed to come to this conclusion. By both dem and rep criticizing it and the methodology as they know it.

Do you believe they will show background info?

[SenatorRock 708]

He is informed by actual legit sources.

Unlike the crap you all believe

Adults are having a conversation here. Go back to your padded room/fbg.

[drobeski 3,061]

I believe it is based on Nunes history...the number of stories of what he hasnt actually viewed to come to this conclusion. By both dem and rep criticizing it and the methodology as they know it.

Do you believe they will show background info?

have any dems read the memo ?

The fbi head did, and coincidentally his #2 guy resigned after that.

 

Nothing there though, in the memo that the hacks haven't read.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Adults are having a conversation here. Go back to your padded room/fbg.

Youre an adult?

This post seems to indicate otherwise again.

[SenatorRock 708]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/30/executive-branch-now-has-custody-of-intel-memo-for-review-prior-to-release/

 

 

 

The media narrative engineers are busy at work attempting to cloud the constitutional framework behind the accurate, lawful, sequence of steps surrounding the Nunes House Intel Memo. Dont fall for the tricks.

 

The legislative branch has now voted in committee to declassify the House Intelligence Memo on FISA-702 abuse, and systemic fraudulent DOJ/FBI use therein. The memo has been sent to the executive branch for review and public release approval.

 

 

 

The White House has five days to review. Any DOJ or FBI officials who have a position against public release are now responsible to make their case known to the Office of the President who is in charge of them, and the executive branch.

 

Specifically because the Chief Executive (President Trump) granted permission for FBI Director Christopher Wray to see the intelligence memo prior to the House Intel vote; Director Wray and Asst. AG Rosenstein had an obligation to debrief the executive on their findings. Thats why Wray and Rosenstein were at the West Wing yesterday. However, the vote last evening transferred the declassification decision to the executive.

 

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Likely the National Security Council, the Office of Legal Counsel, and all relevant Intelligence agency heads will have an opportunity to review and provide input prior to President Trump giving his final approval for declassification and making the document public. Tweet,.. not accidental:

 

 

Following the constitutional framework, POTUS Trump now holds all the cards.

 

Anticipating the executive branch wanting the Tuesday and Wednesdays media cycles to remain focused on the Presidential State of the Union address, dont anticipate the memo release prior to late Wednesday (earliest), or, more likely, Thursday.

 

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President Trump has keen political instincts on best timing.

 

With the executive holding the memo, opposing political talking-points will now shift their narrative and claim the President is undermining the DOJ and FBI with a pending release. Opposition does not want the memo released. Its just pantomime politics.

 

The executive branch IS the DOJ and FBI; the President cannot, therefore, undermine himself. Media opposition have worked earnestly for two years to create a false illusion of the intelligence apparatus being separate from the executive branch, theyre not. President Trump is the Chief Executive over all the agencies; just like President Obama was accountable for James Comey (FBI) and Loretta Lynch (DOJ) previously.

 

Then again, the prior political abuse by those agencies explains the reasoning for the medias attempt to conflate the structure of government. By creating a false separation they are, in essence, also protecting Obama from the discovery of any prior malfeasance within the executive branch Justice Department: James Comey, Andrew McCabe (FBI), or Loretta Lynch and Sally Yates (DOJ) et al.

 

Traditionally, Democrats would look to dilute any pending damage from the declassification release by leaking to the media the content therein. However, in this example, until actually released by the executive, any leaks of content by the legislative branch are felony releases of classified intelligence. And, remember, theres a leak task force looking for an opportunity to cull oppositional leakers.

 

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No doubt the corrupt officials within the FBI and DOJ, and especially those who transferred over to Robert Muellers team, have already told their media allies what to anticipate. However, if the media release their scripts too soon those black hats are, like the legislative branch, at risk of having leaked classified intelligence.

 

The memo remains classified, until President Trump says it is not. So its best to wait and see how President Trump, and the aligned White Hats, have decided to play this out.

 

Lastly, keep in mind the memo is not the valuable commodity in this move. The intelligence behind the memo is whats important.

 

The more the opposition fights against the memo, the more momentum there is to declassify and release the underlying supportive documents. Ultimately, thats the goal. President Trump would want to draw all fire upon him and the memo bringing increased attention to it, and simultaneously providing support to release the underlying evidence.

 

The FBI and DOJ, or their immediate intelligence superior, DNI Dan Coats, can declassify all the underlying documents if needed; so long as they go through the appropriate channels which means asking the Chief Executive (President Trump) for authority to do so; and going through the process of seeking input from all parties of interest including the National Security Council. Ultimately all declassification needs executive approval.

 

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Thats the same process of declassification previously used, and conveniently overlooked in all discussion by the media, when ODNI Dan Coats declassified the April 2017 FISA court opinion revealing the historic DOJ/FBI FISA-702 abuse reported by NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers.

 

Ultimately, not only does President Trump hold authority over public release of the Intelligence Memo, President Trump also holds the declassification authority for all underlying evidence used in creating the memo.

 

Now you see why the Democrats were/are so apoplectic about how brilliantly Chairman Nunes gamed out the strategy. Thats why Democrats and Media were so violently trying to besmirch Nunes personally. He strategically outmatched them and they were counting on using the compartmented structure of internal classified intelligence to keep the most damaging information hidden away from public view.

 

Where things are today appears to have been well thought out since sometime around April, May or June of 2017.

 

Key strategists: Dan Coats (DNI), Admiral Rogers (NSA), Chairman Nunes (House Intel), Chairman Goodlatte (House Judiciary) and Chairman Grassley (Senate Judiciary); against the complimentary timeline of Inspector General Michael Horowitz and his year-long Justice Department investigation.

 

None of this is random. All of this is sequential.

"tldr"

 

-ignorant fools

[SenatorRock 708]

I want that s-bag Brennan in cuffs the most.

The Muslim?

[Sho Nuff 720]

have any dems read the memo ?

The fbi head did, and coincidentally his #2 guy resigned after that.

 

Nothing there though, in the memo that the hacks haven't read.

Yes...democrats have read it. Many of those voted to release havent...correct?

You should get informed a bit more.

Step out of Conservative Treehouse some time.

 

There is a reason the Dem memo and footnotes was dismissed by House Republicans.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

Do you believe they will show background info?

Some. Mostly I think they will throw it out there and let the amateurs and professionals have at it. Which is not much different than I have seen so far from the Mueller investigation, which has produced 4 indictments for technicalities.

[drobeski 3,061]

Yes...democrats have read it. Many of those voted to release havent...correct?

You should get informed a bit more.

Step out of Conservative Treehouse some time.

 

There is a reason the Dem memo and footnotes was dismissed by House Republicans.

the dem memo has to go through the same proccess as the Nunes memo, its how it works. Your sources seem to want to leave that fact out of the discussion.

[SaintsInDome2006 748]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/30/executive-branch-now-has-custody-of-intel-memo-for-review-prior-to-release/

 

 

 

The media narrative engineers are busy at work attempting to cloud the constitutional framework behind the accurate, lawful, sequence of steps surrounding the Nunes House Intel Memo. Dont fall for the tricks.

 

The legislative branch has now voted in committee to declassify the House Intelligence Memo on FISA-702 abuse, and systemic fraudulent DOJ/FBI use therein. The memo has been sent to the executive branch for review and public release approval.

...

 

As usual I have a question about this - if this is the case, that this really about Fisa abuse, then why did Devin Nunes, who wrote the memo, vote for the Sec. 702 reauthorization?

[drobeski 3,061]

 

As usual I have a question about this - if this is the case, that this really about Fisa abuse, then why did Devin Nunes, who wrote the memo, vote for the Sec. 702 reauthorization?

because once the light is shed on the rats and they are forced to scatter, the next guys may use it with integrity? It wasn't sec 702 that was flawed, rather the guys abusing it.

Seems common sense to me.

[SaintsInDome2006 748]

because once the light is shed on the rats and they are forced to scatter, the next guys may use it with integrity? It wasn't sec 702 that was flawed, rather the guys abusing it.

Seems common sense to me.

 

Doesn't this mean we have a law susceptible to abuse? I'd say repair the law so that cannot happen.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Some. Mostly I think they will throw it out there and let the amateurs and professionals have at it. Which is not much different than I have seen so far from the Mueller investigation, which has produced 4 indictments for technicalities.

A. Muellers work is ongoing and he hasnt released any such memo that could be taken wrong without background info and support. And comparing Mueller to what Nunes is doing is laughable.

B. Not really technicalities...they broke laws and will be punished as such.

[Sho Nuff 720]

the dem memo has to go through the same proccess as the Nunes memo, its how it works. Your sources seem to want to leave that fact out of the discussion.

Thats yiur bogus talking point...the GOO isnobstructing from the democrats Memo ever seeing the light of day.

[drobeski 3,061]

Thats yiur bogus talking point...the GOO isnobstructing from the democrats Memo ever seeing the light of day.

there must be goo on your fingers, seems your keyboard is stuck

[Sho Nuff 720]

there must be goo on your fingers, seems your keyboard is stuck

GOP...again...best youve got is typos.

[drobeski 3,061]

GOP...again...best youve got is typos.

your "typos" have been of the charts in these discussions. Slow down, breathe and then post. Its a big tell of how tilted you are.

[Strike 6,030]

 

Doesn't this mean we have a law susceptible to abuse? I'd say repair the law so that cannot happen.

 

I don't think you'll find much disagreement about this. The FISA courts are a joke. But you asked a question and he answered it intelligently.

[Strike 6,030]

your "typos" have been of the charts in these discussions. Slow down, breathe and then post. Its a big tell of how tilted you are.

 

I suspect he's been banging on the keyboard, having tantrums like a baby, and some of the keys don't work right anymore.

[Sho Nuff 720]

your "typos" have been of the charts in these discussions. Slow down, breathe and then post. Its a big tell of how tilted you are.

Its a tell of me typing fast in a phone and it proofreading.

And youve done it often in the past too. Crying about typos is also a nice deflection technique you use to ignore the posts that have been made.

Childish and sad really.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

I suspect he's been banging on the keyboard, having tantrums like a baby, and some of the keys don't work right anymore.

Great job ignoring me strike...top notch.

[SenatorRock 708]

Yes...democrats have read it. Many of those voted to release havent...correct?

You should get informed a bit more.

Step out of Conservative Treehouse some time.

 

There is a reason the Dem memo and footnotes was dismissed by House Republicans.

Only a few Dems have read it. Over 100 Republicans have read it.

 

You really are stupid.

[SenatorRock 708]

And lol at the libtards.

 

A year ago they were screaming that we have to trust our intelligence community, muh Russia.

 

Now they are saying the intelligence community is lying, the memo is just partisan fiction.

 

These people are dumb.

[SenatorRock 708]

 

As usual I have a question about this - if this is the case, that this really about Fisa abuse, then why did Devin Nunes, who wrote the memo, vote for the Sec. 702 reauthorization?

There is a 99 page FISC document that was released last April.

 

It goes into great detail of the abuses under Obama administration, and the changes implemented by Trump administration.

 

702 is a useful tool, when not abused.

 

The hope is that Trump has more integrity than Obama and does not is it to spy on American citizens, political opponents.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

B. Not really technicalities...they broke laws and will be punished as such.

The man fighting for the quashing of the memo on political basis, lauding the prosecution of leash laws. Face it, Mueller's main witnesses were duds and the FISA memo could be his undoing. Not surprising you want it silenced.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

This Memo is going to rock our country like nothing else in recent years. Might be a good idea to move your money out of the market for a bit.

The street knows. This is huge.

[Baker Boy 1,711]

Do you guys know who has replaced McCabe?

You should look it up, he was on his team.

Yes, The Swamp is very deep!

[12th Man 884]

there must be goo on your fingers, seems your keyboard is stuck

Lol

[12th Man 884]

Its a tell of me typing fast in a phone and it proofreading.

And youve done it often in the past too. Crying about typos is also a nice deflection technique you use to ignore the posts that have been made.

Childish and sad really.

Jesus the wife threw him out of the basement.

[SaintsInDome2006 748]

 

I don't think you'll find much disagreement about this. The FISA courts are a joke. But you asked a question and he answered it intelligently.

I was fine with his answer.

[SaintsInDome2006 748]

There is a 99 page FISC document that was released last April.

 

It goes into great detail of the abuses under Obama administration, and the changes implemented by Trump administration.

 

702 is a useful tool, when not abused.

 

The hope is that Trump has more integrity than Obama and does not is it to spy on American citizens, political opponents.

I'm aware of that and it was court ordered. IIRC those reforms have been implemented early in the Trump administration. And yet apparently Carter Page's FISA warrant has been renewed.

[Casual Observer 597]

I'm aware of that and it was court ordered. IIRC those reforms have been implemented early in the Trump administration. And yet apparently Carter Page's FISA warrant has been renewed.

The revised 702 bill was signed by Trump about two weeks ago. RR renewed the FISA warrant on Page in April of 2017.