Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 10, 2018 willing to let Americans, women,children and men, fellow citizens die horrific deaths over the hurt feelings of terrorists is much much more un American, very telling and actually kind of sick. Subscribing to torture doesnt mitigate any risk to our citizens. Id argue the unreliable information and sentiment it bolsters against us puts our people more at risk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,661 Posted May 10, 2018 completely un-american thank you for outing yourself as somebody who would trust the military to decide on torturing of american citizens as they see fit very telling and scary did I say that, I said if they have proof that they are acting within a terror cell. The minute you commit treason on this country you give up the protections granted by the constitution, you become a prisoner of war Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted May 10, 2018 did I say that, "I have no issue in the military making these decisions" yea, you did say that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted May 10, 2018 did I say that, I said if they have proof that they are acting within a terror cell. The minute you commit treason on this country you give up the protections granted by the constitution, you become a prisoner of war Again what is this proof? what if it is disputed? You are flat out saying you dont want an american citizen to have the right to the 6th amendment if there is some kinda "proof" which you have flat out stated you are okay with the military making this call over a court of law sad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,653 Posted May 10, 2018 Some of you think it's dangerous to be more stringent about this countries gun policies and laws. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,684 Posted May 10, 2018 You are a messed up dude. Go back to blowing Joe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,684 Posted May 10, 2018 Actual seal footage: https://goo.gl/images/GvdsH6 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SenatorRock 708 Posted May 10, 2018 We shouldnt be in the business of torture and Hasoel should be nowhere near this position in our country. And what are your thoughts on Brennan? Remember when 49/53 Dem Senators voted FOR that torture loving piece of ###### at his confirmation? Now they all pretend that torture is a deal breaker. Another day, another lib btfo out by facts. Some background reading on Brennan, who was a senior CIA official while Haspel was low on the totem pole, during the torture era: https://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/john-brennan-cia-torture-113456 https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/01/does-it-matter-if-john-brennan-was-complicit-in-illegal-torture/266918/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2013/03/07/john-brennans-confirmation-how-they-voted/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5937b2315429 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SenatorRock 708 Posted May 10, 2018 The good thing is that we are still doing it to terrorists. You just don't hear about it now. Exactly. This is why it is absurd to have public discussions where everyone can signal their virtues. No matter the law is, no matter what is made public, the CIA and off book contractors torture the out of people every single day. Do the people arguing about torture realize this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,661 Posted May 10, 2018 Again what is this proof? what if it is disputed? You are flat out saying you dont want an american citizen to have the right to the 6th amendment if there is some kinda "proof" which you have flat out stated you are okay with the military making this call over a court of law sad how about 3 months of video survaillance as proof Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,959 Posted May 10, 2018 So, The President sends the CIA, the FBI and the NYPD on a mission to find a rabbit he has released into the woods. The CIA goes in first, talks to their informants throughout the woods and proclaims rabbits don't exist. The FBI goes in next and after an extensive search burns the Forrest to the ground and, unable to find the rabbit puts him on a wanted poster and head back to the office. Two NYPD cops go in and come out with a beaten up bear saying "ok, I'm a rabbit, I'm a rabbit" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 10, 2018 And what are your thoughts on Brennan? Remember when 49/53 Dem Senators voted FOR that torture loving piece of ###### at his confirmation? Now they all pretend that torture is a deal breaker. Another day, another lib btfo out by facts. Some background reading on Brennan, who was a senior CIA official while Haspel was low on the totem pole, during the torture era: https://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/john-brennan-cia-torture-113456 https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/01/does-it-matter-if-john-brennan-was-complicit-in-illegal-torture/266918/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2013/03/07/john-brennans-confirmation-how-they-voted/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5937b2315429 Not a fan of his past and even he had quite mixed feelings disavowing past practices at times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOD01 195 Posted May 10, 2018 Exactly. This is why it is absurd to have public discussions where everyone can signal their virtues. No matter the law is, no matter what is made public, the CIA and off book contractors torture the ###### out of people every single day. Do the people arguing about torture realize this? Some actually believe everything the gov't tells them, especially if it fits their agenda. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted May 14, 2018 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/14/green-beret-waterboards-himself-in-support-trumps-cia-pick-gina-haspel.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,501 Posted May 14, 2018 Subscribing to torture doesnt mitigate any risk to our citizens. Id argue the unreliable information and sentiment it bolsters against us puts our people more at risk. The SloFlakes that think water boarding is torture don’t understand what torture is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,653 Posted May 14, 2018 The SloFlakes that think water boarding is torture dont understand what torture is. Torture has many forms. HTH.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,439 Posted May 14, 2018 I have a blanket policy of not supporting war criminals. So far it has never led me astray Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,501 Posted May 14, 2018 Torture has many forms. HTH.... tor·ture [ˈtôrCHər] NOUN the action or practice of inflicting severe pain on someone as a punishment or to force them to do or say something, or for the pleasure of the person inflicting the pain. synonyms: infliction of pain · abuse · torment · ill treatment · [more] VERB inflict severe pain on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,653 Posted May 14, 2018 tor·ture [ˈtôrCHər] NOUN the action or practice of inflicting severe pain on someone as a punishment or to force them to do or say something, or for the pleasure of the person inflicting the pain. synonyms: infliction of pain · abuse · torment · ill treatment · [more] VERB inflict severe pain on. Sounds like what the other people interviewed said about water boarding thanks for doing the work to prove my point. Can I just text you whenever I need you to do some internet searches for me? I'm kind of busy sometimes. I need someone who is willing to do others bidding. You seem like such a perfect candidate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 14, 2018 The SloFlakes that think water boarding is torture dont understand what torture is. You mean like the men the OP? Those kind of SloFlakes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 14, 2018 tor·ture [ˈtôrCHər] NOUN the action or practice of inflicting severe pain on someone as a punishment or to force them to do or say something, or for the pleasure of the person inflicting the pain. synonyms: infliction of pain · abuse · torment · ill treatment · [more] VERB inflict severe pain on. So...waterboarding then? And using a focking dictionary definition that proves you wrong anyway is a nice touch in showing your foolishness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted May 14, 2018 I have no problem with torture to get information. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOD01 195 Posted May 14, 2018 I have no problem with torture to get information. Even if you don't get the info, you get the satisfaction of torturing a subhuman who has no value to society. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted May 14, 2018 Even if you don't get the info, you get the satisfaction of torturing a subhuman who has no value to society. Oh I just realized we talking about torturing terrorists. In that case I don’t care about information, I’d torture them just for fun. I’d even bring victims families in and let them have a go just to laugh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,653 Posted May 14, 2018 Oh I just realized we talking about torturing terrorists. In that case I dont care about information, Id torture them just for fun. Id even bring victims families in and let them have a go just to laugh. I think the point is people who were suspected of being a terrorist were apprehended and tortured. Most people arent going to want to witness torture, even if the tortured individual killed a family member. I think of that guy who hired a farm hand to help. The farmer walks in on the guy raping his daughter. He beats the guy within an inch of his life, but he still calls 911 and tells them he doesnt want the guy to die. He was crying on the phone too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOD01 195 Posted May 14, 2018 Oh I just realized we talking about torturing terrorists. In that case I don’t care about information, I’d torture them just for fun. I’d even bring victims families in and let them have a go just to laugh. That's worth a double. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gladiators 1,914 Posted May 14, 2018 I think the point is people who were suspected of being a terrorist were apprehended and tortured. Most people arent going to want to witness torture, even if the tortured individual killed a family member. I think of that guy who hired a farm hand to help. The farmer walks in on the guy raping his daughter. He beats the guy within an inch of his life, but he still calls 911 and tells them he doesnt want the guy to die. He was crying on the phone too. I wouldn't want the guy to die either. I'd want him to live so I could beat him within an inch of his life a few times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,653 Posted May 14, 2018 I wouldn't want the guy to die either. I'd want him to live so I could beat him within an inch of his life a few times. That's not really feasible Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gladiators 1,914 Posted May 14, 2018 That's not really feasible Then I'd let him go to prison after the hospital took care of him and let someone else finish the job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,959 Posted May 14, 2018 People think that torture won't or can't reveal accurate, verifiable info? Lol. You fockers will believe anything. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted May 14, 2018 I think the point is people who were suspected of being a terrorist were apprehended and tortured. Most people arent going to want to witness torture, even if the tortured individual killed a family member. I think of that guy who hired a farm hand to help. The farmer walks in on the guy raping his daughter. He beats the guy within an inch of his life, but he still calls 911 and tells them he doesnt want the guy to die. He was crying on the phone too. Id have rocked the eyeballs right out of that guys head and blown a load on his brain pan. Chop the body up, crush the bones. No body, no crime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,653 Posted May 14, 2018 Id have rocked the eyeballs right out of that guys head and blown a load on his brain pan. Chop the body up, crush the bones. No body, no crime. Everyone is different, and some people talk a big game until it's time. I am for torturing 100% guilty of heinous crime people btw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 589 Posted May 14, 2018 Ill never get over macho grande.. because of me, six men didnt return from that mission! Seven, George zip died this morning Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOD01 195 Posted May 14, 2018 People think that torture won't or can't reveal accurate, verifiable info? Lol. You fockers will believe anything. No . 'So, we water boarded you and you appear to have given us false info'. Yeah, like it's gonna end well for that liar. yeah they sing like birds. It's not like we can't rack 'em up again and get even more aggressive....as we should.....and do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 14, 2018 No ######. 'So, we water boarded you and you appear to have given us false info'. Yeah, like it's gonna end well for that liar. ###### yeah they sing like birds. It's not like we can't rack 'em up again and get even more aggressive....as we should.....and do. Pathetic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOD01 195 Posted May 14, 2018 Pathetic No...realistic. Go back to your little safe space, assclown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,979 Posted May 14, 2018 Torture will reveal accurate, verifiable info. It will also yield lots of bad info, which wastes time and results in bad decisions. One reason why we went to war in Iraq was fake evidence that Saddam Hussein had given chemical and biological weapons training to al Qaida. We now know this evidence was gathered via torture. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 14, 2018 No...realistic. Go back to your little safe space, assclown.Realistic? Not really...people over and over saying its not reliable but you claim it is.The pathetic part is supporting such crap as a means of vengeance and then getting all holier than thou about places that do similar things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,959 Posted May 14, 2018 No ######. 'So, we water boarded you and you appear to have given us false info'. Yeah, like it's gonna end well for that liar. ###### yeah they sing like birds. It's not like we can't rack 'em up again and get even more aggressive....as we should.....and do. Yeah, they just love any answer that reaffirms their need to feel morally superior, and they'll repeat it no matter how stupid it is. They just don't have the courage or good sense to say "I'm opposed to torture because I feel it's immoral". Harder to win that argument than to latch on to a false assertion that it doesn't work. It's why a hack like Shonuff likes to claim he didn't vote for Hillary. He thinks it gives him credibility, like repeating the" it doesn't work " bullshit. Just admit you think it's wrong and you're willing to let innocents die to maintain moral superiority 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOD01 195 Posted May 14, 2018 Realistic? Not really...people over and over saying its not reliable but you claim it is. The pathetic part is supporting such crap as a means of vengeance and then getting all holier than thou about places that do similar things. My gawd you are so clueless. In USA, circa 2018, you actually think someone high up is going to admit that it works and we should do it when snowflakes like you would lose their and complain about how inhumane it is? Here's the reality: It's still going on, outside the USA, we are approving it and these locusts deserve it anyway. You are so out of touch with reality it's amazing your brain is capable of telling your lungs to suck in O2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites