Dallas Cowboys 2018 & Beyond

[KayJay1971 239]

On 2/24/2020 at 7:11 AM, Cruzer said:

I just need him to be solid, take up space, eat up blockers and clog the middle.

Sounds like a turd I took once. 

[Cruzer 1,995]

Reports are Jerry offered Dak $33m a year, $105m guaranteed............................and it wasn't enuff.

I'm all for guys getting all they can get - but Dak is out of his focking mind thinking he alone is going to reset the market. This deal is bigger than A. Rodgers deal and the guaranteed money is right at what R. Wilson got............ If he truly balks at this, fock'm - tag his ass.

[vuduchile 1,945]

22 minutes ago, Cruzer said:

Reports are Jerry offered Dak $33m a year, $105m guaranteed............................and it wasn't enuff.

I'm all for guys getting all they can get - but Dak is out of his focking mind thinking he alone is going to reset the market. This deal is bigger than A. Rodgers deal and the guaranteed money is right at what R. Wilson got............ If he truly balks at this, fock'm - tag his ass.

Tag incoming.

[Kopy 572]

They (the NFL) really needs to figure out a way to put a salary cap on the QB position. Or, just not count this position against the teams salary cap. By next year, my Russell Wilson contract is gonna look like a bargain.

 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

10 minutes ago, Kopy said:

They (the NFL) really needs to figure out a way to put a salary cap on the QB position. Or, just not count this position against the teams salary cap. By next year, my Russell Wilson contract is gonna look like a bargain.

 

Why?  Teams have a cap.  If you spend too much on your QB, then you don't have enough for other positions.  Deal with it.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

Dak on the crack? 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

14 hours ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Why?  Teams have a cap.  If you spend too much on your QB, then you don't have enough for other positions.  Deal with it.

It's gotten to the point where even middling qbs are becoming major cap problems. I'm talking the cousins tier. Like my titans... You pretty much have to re sign Tannehill, but the number screws your ability to build a team.

I'd like to see each team get one "cap free tag" per season. You can designate one player who's salary does not go on the tag. Teams with top shelf qb would always use it there. Teams with qb on a rookie deal could use it elsewhere. 

[MDC 7,496]

6 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

It's gotten to the point where even middling qbs are becoming major cap problems. I'm talking the cousins tier. Like my titans... You pretty much have to re sign Tannehill, but the number screws your ability to build a team.

I'd like to see each team get one "cap free tag" per season. You can designate one player who's salary does not go on the tag. Teams with top shelf qb would always use it there. Teams with qb on a rookie deal could use it elsewhere. 

Why does TN have to resign Tannehill? They can draft a developmental QB and/or sign a cheaper FA option like Bridgewater or Keenum. QB salaries are so high because teams like the Titans keep handing out huge $ for mediocre QBs. The league shouldn’t save them from their own dumb decisions.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

33 minutes ago, MDC said:

Why does TN have to resign Tannehill? They can draft a developmental QB and/or sign a cheaper FA option like Bridgewater or Keenum. QB salaries are so high because teams like the Titans keep handing out huge $ for mediocre QBs. The league shouldn’t save them from their own dumb decisions.

They just made the AFC Championship with Tannehill. And he played lights out.  

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

40 minutes ago, MDC said:

Why does TN have to resign Tannehill? They can draft a developmental QB and/or sign a cheaper FA option like Bridgewater or Keenum. QB salaries are so high because teams like the Titans keep handing out huge $ for mediocre QBs. The league shouldn’t save them from their own dumb decisions.

I woudnt imagine bridgewater will be much if any cheaper.

And what developmental qb are we going to take at pick 29?

The team is built to win now. Fanbase won't stand for going back to rebuilding mode. 

[MDC 7,496]

7 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

I woudnt imagine bridgewater will be much if any cheaper.

And what developmental qb are we going to take at pick 29?

The team is built to win now. Fanbase won't stand for going back to rebuilding mode. 

This is my point. The Titans don’t “have” to pay Tannehill. They’ll pay him because they’re in win now mode and think he gives them a better shot in the short term than another option in FA or the draft. And it will most likely be a huge overpay.

Why should the league step in to fix that?

16 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

They just made the AFC Championship with Tannehill. And he played lights out.  

See above Timmah.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

This is my point. The Titans don’t “have” to pay Tannehill. They’ll pay him because they’re in win now mode and think he gives them a better shot in the short term than another option in FA or the draft. And it will most likely be a huge overpay.

Why should the league step in to fix that?

See above Timmah.

Interesting though, that Titans/Tannehill is now in the similar position to Philly/Wentz.  Wentz got paid off one truly great season. Tannehill at least has a playoff win. 

[MDC 7,496]

4 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Interesting though, that Titans/Tannehill is now in the similar position to Philly/Wentz.  Wentz got paid off one truly great season. Tannehill at least has a playoff win. 

You’re bringing the dumb early today.  

[TimmySmith 2,782]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

You’re bringing the dumb early today.  

Quality.   

Titans may be one of 5 teams in the NFL who should keep their QB without reservations.  

 

[MDC 7,496]

2 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Quality.   

Titans may be one of 5 teams in the NFL who should keep their QB without reservations.  

 

My point was that the Titans aren’t forced to resign him so there’s no reason for the NFL to intervene or set a QB cap. If the Titans pay him it will be because they think he’s worth the deal relative to other potentially cheaper options.

I hope you’re up to speed and capable of contributing productively now.  

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

12 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

It's gotten to the point where even middling qbs are becoming major cap problems. I'm talking the cousins tier. Like my titans... You pretty much have to re sign Tannehill, but the number screws your ability to build a team.

I'd like to see each team get one "cap free tag" per season. You can designate one player who's salary does not go on the tag. Teams with top shelf qb would always use it there. Teams with qb on a rookie deal could use it elsewhere. 

The whole point of a salary cap is to have a level playing field.  Every team has to deal with the same set of rules.  Each time people think of exceptions, it just gets out of control.  Look at the NBA with all of their exceptions. 

One thing that the NFL has right is the salary cap.  It is a hard cap. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

40 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

One thing that the NFL has right is the salary cap.  It is a hard cap. 

Mostly right.  The whole point of the "level playing field" goes out the window when you have 3 serious injuries to high cap players. And you can't replace them with anyone close to their caliber due to cap issues.  The NFLPA being the worst union in sports should have addressed this years ago. 

[listen2me 23 1,874]

27 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Mostly right.  The whole point of the "level playing field" goes out the window when you have 3 serious injuries to high cap players. And you can't replace them with anyone close to their caliber due to cap issues.  The NFLPA being the worst union in sports should have addressed this years ago. 

Mahomes goes down who are you going to replace him with if you then had relief? I dont understand the point.

 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Mahomes goes down who are you going to replace him with if you then had relief? I dont understand the point.

If your 20 million dollar player tears his ACL or worse (long term serious injury that forces a player to season ending IR), and you are forced to sign a 1 million or less guy because of the cap, that is a huge downgrade and hurts the competitive balance of the league. If the NFL allowed teams to sign players up to a % of the injured player, then effect would not be as devastating. 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

On ‎3‎/‎10‎/‎2020 at 4:11 PM, TimmySmith said:

If your 20 million dollar player tears his ACL or worse (long term serious injury that forces a player to season ending IR), and you are forced to sign a 1 million or less guy because of the cap, that is a huge downgrade and hurts the competitive balance of the league. If the NFL allowed teams to sign players up to a % of the injured player, then effect would not be as devastating. 

That is why teams don't typically spend up to the cap.  You need that emergency money available.  It is all part of the planning.  The part that you miss is that, if a stud gets injured midseason, there are not serviceable players available to sign even if you had the cap space available.  

[listen2me 23 1,874]

7 hours ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

That is why teams don't typically spend up to the cap.  You need that emergency money available.  It is all part of the planning.  The part that you miss is that, if a stud gets injured midseason, there are not serviceable players available to sign even if you had the cap space available.  

This is basically what I was asking him.

You cant replace them with anyone close to their caliber even if you had all that money back.  Not understanding his point. 

[Cruzer 1,995]

Per David Moore (Cowboys beat writer) - Dallas to tag Dak with the Exclusive tag... This will pay him right around $31.5m this season.

There's still about an hour and a half to work out a long term deal, but this is the plan Jerry is apparently preparing to take.

[MDC 7,496]

The Cowboys botched this when they let the Eagles and Rams get ahead of them on the Goff / Wentz signings. 

I don’t get the logic of tagging Dak. He’ll probably throw for 30 TDs and 4,000 yards again. Unlike Wentz he doesn’t have an injury history.

Even if the Cowboys go 8-8, can they really say he didn’t “prove” that he deserves a long term deal? Next year they’ll probably be in the same situation only with a higher price tag. 

[Cruzer 1,995]

Just now, MDC said:

The Cowboys botched this when they let the Eagles and Rams get ahead of them on the Goff / Wentz signings. 

I don’t get the logic of tagging Dak. He’ll probably throw for 30 TDs and 4,000 yards again. Unlike Wentz he doesn’t have an injury history.

Even if the Cowboys go 8-8, can they really say he didn’t “prove” that he deserves a long term deal? Next year they’ll probably be in the same situation only with a higher price tag. 

Where Jerry actually messed up was in paying Zeke... Bcoz of that Dak wants his too, and I understand that.

What I don't understand is how/why Jerry is showing restraint with Dak - but caved like a tent with Zeke... To not jump the gun and pay Dak before Goff/Wentz was a smart move (imo) - waiting for after Tannehill, not so smart. .

It was clear by the start of the 2019 season that Dak was this team's QB of the future... Jerry should have offered him something like 5 years, $165m, $105m guaranteed - before Week 1.

Now bcoz of the mess Jerry's created, he's almost forced to tag him this year, and next. Bcoz if you risk letting Dak have another statistical huge year with McCarthy, his price will only get higher.

[Big Guy 1,413]

5 hours ago, Cruzer said:

Where Jerry actually messed up was in paying Zeke... Bcoz of that Dak wants his too, and I understand that.

What I don't understand is how/why Jerry is showing restraint with Dak - but caved like a tent with Zeke... To not jump the gun and pay Dak before Goff/Wentz was a smart move (imo) - waiting for after Tannehill, not so smart. .

It was clear by the start of the 2019 season that Dak was this team's QB of the future... Jerry should have offered him something like 5 years, $165m, $105m guaranteed - before Week 1.

Now bcoz of the mess Jerry's created, he's almost forced to tag him this year, and next. Bcoz if you risk letting Dak have another statistical huge year with McCarthy, his price will only get higher.

2 wrongs don't make a right

they won't listen to us, nor will the Football Gods, so all we can do is sit back and react accordingly. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

I guess this worked out for the Cowboys.  They keep Zeke and Cooper and don't give a massive contract to Dak.

[Cruzer 1,995]

Bryon Jones to the Phins for$16.5m a year - pretty steep, but Jerry should of kept and paid him instead of Zeke. 

Amari Cooper signs for $100m - actually turned down more from WAS to stay... money well spent, could not risk him leaving.

Even though tagged - Jerry/Dak have until July 15th to work out a long term deal and cancel the tag.

[listen2me 23 1,874]

10 hours ago, riversco said:

I guess this worked out for the Cowboys.  They keep Zeke and Cooper and don't give a massive contract to Dak.

I guess.  Id of let Zeke walk.  They are basically keeping intact their core who got them no where.  Unless they think MM is the savior.  

[Cruzer 1,995]

Dak still holds the final Ace - holding out.

And why not? He saw Zeke do it - and Jerry caved... Even with the new rules, I'll be shocked if he doesn't hold out... and Jerry will cave - he has no choice.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Dak is in the Cousins catbird seat. Barring injury (which is rare) being franchised makes more money. Worth the risk. Cowboys have a shot this year.

[Cruzer 1,995]

2 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

 Cowboys have a shot this year.

This defense is a mess.

Lost our best CB, the rest of the secondary sucks, we've no DTs, about to lose our right DE, running out of money to spend.

Unless something crazy happens, we will have to score 35 game.

[listen2me 23 1,874]

Cowboys are again what they are most years.  Dangerous but can lose to anyone.  Now they hust have more money invested into a similar team that they always have.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

32 minutes ago, Cruzer said:

This defense is a mess.

Lost our best CB, the rest of the secondary sucks, we've no DTs, about to lose our right DE, running out of money to spend.

Unless something crazy happens, we will have to score 35 game.

Chiefs proved that you can win by outscoring your opponents.  Heck they didn't even need 60 minutes.  They did it in 30. 

[Cruzer 1,995]

4 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Chiefs proved that you can win by outscoring your opponents.  Heck they didn't even need 60 minutes.  They did it in 30. 

The Chiefs have a Pat Mahomes.........................we don't.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1 minute ago, Cruzer said:

The Chiefs have a Pat Mahomes.........................we don't.

Well, Dallas is certainly good enough to win the NFC.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

18 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Chiefs proved that you can win by outscoring your opponents.  Heck they didn't even need 60 minutes.  They did it in 30. 

Reid was on his way to blowing it, as usual. They had to unleash Mahomes when they got down 21-10. Otherwise I think they would have lost. 

[listen2me 23 1,874]

9 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Well, Dallas is certainly good enough to win the NFC.  

This is said every single year.  And on paper they are worse than the past couple years.  

The Chargers also are good enough to win the AFC.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

Well, the Cowboys had a good defense. Quinn to Bears. 

[Cruzer 1,995]

43 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, the Cowboys had a good defense. Quinn to Bears. 

I like Quinn.

But 5-years, $70m ($30m guaranteed) for a guy with a bad back is pretty steep............... The ripple effects of Garrett/Marinelli continue to haunt this team. Missing on Taco Charlton in the 1st round of 2017 is majorly kicking us in the balls right now. We shouldn't even be worrying about this position for a while.

This moves CB/DE to the top of the 1st round priority list.

[Cruzer 1,995]

Jason Witten to the Raiders.