Climate change

[naomi 360]

One of the distinctions I've heard people make lately is separating the issue of whether man's activity has caused climate change and can therefore also significantly mitigate it, and just...are we undergoing a change of our environment that we aren't prepared to adapt to? Maybe it's cyclical, but if it's happening, what should we do about it?

To me innovation is the answer. Nothing coercive against any sphere. Just recognize what the varied practical challenges are with where our population centers are and what they're projected to experience, and prepare in as innovative and least disruptive of ways possible. Other approaches come across like trojan horses to allow for sweeping idealogical policies.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

we shouldnt do anything, the earth will correct itself and thanks to rising co2 levels, the planet is becoming more green than anytime in my lifetime.  Add in the discovery of Biochar and we will soon see deserts starting to regreen

[lickin_starfish 2,006]

We should let politicians tax us and send our money to their friends.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

I don't see anyone making less plastic. What I do see is mass migration from hot areas to less hot. Pretty clear that politicians have adjusted their thought process from "we can throw money and fix this", to "it's probably inevitable and irreversible".  

[Cdub100 3,995]

1 hour ago, TimmySmith said:

I don't see anyone making less plastic. What I do see is mass migration from hot areas to less hot. Pretty clear that politicians have adjusted their thought process from "we can throw money and fix this", to "it's probably inevitable and irreversible".  

You serious clark!?

[lod001 1,345]

It changing but who really knows why. Imagine if you pave half the planets land mass, it surely would heat up. Cities are hotter because of the amount of concrete and other man made materials there.

I was up in my hometown last year to witness a flood I had never seen in the past. That's 50 years. I recall some pretty good rains but this was insane. The year before it happened and took out a bridge over a small Creek. Then this happened last week. A flood so massive no one can recall it ever happening. It destroyed the causeway to 30 homes. It took out a road for the 2nd time in 2 years. It flooded valleys I've never seen flood before. It was incredible to witness. It took out 10 of 21 bridges at the golf course. I'll post pictures later. Weird weather is happening. 

Causeway during flood  those trees are now gone.

Causeway after flood

 

 

[lod001 1,345]

Kinsman flood drone flyover after. The lake was at least 15 feet deep back in the 70s. it filled up with silt over the years.

 

 

[cbfalcon 827]

I have to admit, I don’t personally know one way or the other. Normally in these cases, I defer to the professionals that deal with it for a living. They seem to all agree, but this isn’t so much about the issue as it is about our team winning the argument. 

[Alias Detective 1,459]

12 minutes ago, cbfalcon said:

I have to admit, I don’t personally know one way or the other. Normally in these cases, I defer to the professionals that deal with it for a living. They seem to all agree, but this isn’t so much about the issue as it is about our team winning the argument. 

What do your professionals call it?  Climate change or man made global warming?

[Drizzay 745]

What I don't want to happen is we crank up the old tax machine and give all of this new climate change tax to a bunch of buddy-buddies of politicians, who then will promptly disappear without developing any new technology.

Also, if there is to be any world-wide plan or agreement, China and India HAS to have the harshest penalties/pay in.

[Cdub100 3,995]

1 hour ago, cbfalcon said:

I have to admit, I don’t personally know one way or the other. Normally in these cases, I defer to the professionals that deal with it for a living. They seem to all agree, but this isn’t so much about the issue as it is about our team winning the argument. 

What if the "professionals" don't actually agree?

What if the "professionals" agree that the climate changes (you'd be a fool not to) but that many if not most don't agree that it is man made.

Frankly I think it's man's hubris to believe we have that big of an effect on the planet.

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

27 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

What if the "professionals" don't actually agree?

What if the "professionals" agree that the climate changes (you'd be a fool not to) but that many if not most don't agree that it is man made.

Frankly I think it's man's hubris to believe we have that big of an effect on the planet.

When someone can show me evidence of man-made climate change that caused the last ice age we had on Earth, then I'll believe man caused the current issue.

[Mike Honcho 5,429]

5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

When someone can show me evidence of man-made climate change that caused the last ice age we had on Earth, then I'll believe man caused the current issue.

I hope you are as pretty as Miss South Carolina.

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I hope you are as pretty as Miss South Carolina.

 

Wow, I never saw that.  That's hilarious.  On another note, tell me again how man caused the last Ice Age?

[Kanil 521]

45 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

What if the "professionals" don't actually agree?

What if the "professionals" agree that the climate changes (you'd be a fool not to) but that many if not most don't agree that it is man made.

Frankly I think it's man's hubris to believe we have that big of an effect on the planet.

There is consensus around MMGW but people like to pick and choose which science they believe in.  It's become such a left/right political issue now that the right is not going to budge on it.

Also, lots of people in the thread don't seem to understand that MMGW has led to climate change.  They're two different things, one is the cause, one is the effect.

[Kanil 521]

21 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

When someone can show me evidence of man-made climate change that caused the last ice age we had on Earth, then I'll believe man caused the current issue.

That might be the dumbest logic I've ever heard used in the MMGW debate.  Holy sh!t.

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

1 minute ago, Kanil said:

That might be the dumbest logic I've ever heard used in the MMGW debate.  Holy .

Soo... nothing then? 

[posty 2,809]

It's a farce...  If you think that we can destroy the planet, you are nuts...

The planet is fine and will fix itself like it has been doing since the beginning of time...

[Lil' Webtoed Porkbutt 155]

If it is man made, let's be honest, mankind will not change our ways to correct it. We are a selfish species. If it's not man made, will will not change our ways to correct it. 

[Kanil 521]

4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Soo... nothing then? 

Your logic was stunning.  It's akin to me saying I don't like onions on my pizza because mac&cheese.  Sure, onions and mac&cheese are both food (as climate change and ice ages both relate to weather) but mac&cheese has nothing to do with onions on my pizza.  How the fock do you respond to that?

[Kanil 521]

6 minutes ago, posty said:

It's a farce...  If you think that we can destroy the planet, you are nuts...

The planet is fine and will fix itself like it has been doing since the beginning of time...

Yeah... the planet will be fine.  The humans on the planet might not be, but the planet will still be here.

[drobeski 3,061]

I think we should keep throwing  money at it. It fixed Baltimore 

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

13 minutes ago, Kanil said:

Your logic was stunning.  It's akin to me saying I don't like onions on my pizza because mac&cheese.  Sure, onions and mac&cheese are both food (as climate change and ice ages both relate to weather) but mac&cheese has nothing to do with onions on my pizza.  How the fock do you respond to that?

Ok, I get it now.  So what you're saying is something like: "I know climate change caused the last ice age and people weren't around then, but I really need to push my man-made liberal agenda, so I'm going to accuse you of making an argument that doesn't make sense because it proves me wrong."  Did I get that right?

[lickin_starfish 2,006]

Scientists would never skew their reports to keep money flowing into their pockets. It's not like scientists have been caught fudging their numbers or anything.

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

36 minutes ago, Kanil said:

There is consensus around MMGW but people like to pick and choose which science they believe in.  It's become such a left/right political issue now that the right is not going to budge on it.

Also, lots of people in the thread don't seem to understand that MMGW has led to climate change.  They're two different things, one is the cause, one is the effect.

I like to start both my cars up on earth day and let them idle outside for a few hours 

[Lil' Webtoed Porkbutt 155]

6 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

Scientists would never skew their reports to keep money flowing into their pockets. It's not like scientists have been caught fudging their numbers or anything.

This! I was all into the Global Warming thing until I found out about the scientist fudging the numbers. Since then I've taken the attitude that both sides lie and the truth is somewhere in the middle. 

[TimmySmith 2,783]

40 minutes ago, Kanil said:

There is consensus around MMGW but people like to pick and choose which science they believe in.  It's become such a left/right political issue now that the right is not going to budge on it.

Also, lots of people in the thread don't seem to understand that MMGW has led to climate change.  They're two different things, one is the cause, one is the effect.

What about the logic that we caused it, so we can fix it.  No science behind that at all. 

[Kanil 521]

22 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Ok, I get it now.  So what you're saying is something like: "I know climate change caused the last ice age and people weren't around then, but I really need to push my man-made liberal agenda, so I'm going to accuse you of making an argument that doesn't make sense because it proves me wrong."  Did I get that right?

No... what I'm saying is you are equating "ice age" with "climate change" and you're wrong.

[Kanil 521]

9 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

I like to start both my cars up on earth day and let them idle outside for a few hours 

You're really owning those POS libs!  You go girl!

[Strike 6,017]

If everyone is so worried about climate change, how come every time there's a summit about it like the one Google is currently hosting, they all travel to these summits in private jets and yachts?   Why not just have a huge webex and save the carbon footprint of all that travel?

https://pagesix.com/2019/07/30/a-listers-flock-to-google-summit-in-private-jets-mega-yachts-to-talk-climate-change/

https://www.mrc.org/articles/media-hype-davos-climate-change-focus-1700-private-jets-fly

[Kanil 521]

9 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

What about the logic that we caused it, so we can fix it.  No science behind that at all. 

I won't argue this one.  I'm not sure we are able to fix it.

Edited to add:

I do think we need to start working on a much more macro scale.  Things like moving to nuclear energy would be low hanging fruit compared to getting everyone to stop using plastic straws.

[Kanil 521]

Just now, Strike said:

If everyone is so worried about climate change, how come every time there's a summit about it like the one Google is currently hosting, they all travel to these summits in private jets and yachts?

https://pagesix.com/2019/07/30/a-listers-flock-to-google-summit-in-private-jets-mega-yachts-to-talk-climate-change/

https://www.mrc.org/articles/media-hype-davos-climate-change-focus-1700-private-jets-fly

Yeah... the hypocrisy is astounding.

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

Just now, Kanil said:

No... what I'm saying is you are equating "ice age" with "climate change" and you're wrong.

The ice age was a result of climate change.  That is a fact.  There were no people then.  Another fact.  Hence, since man didn't make that climate change (sorry... that global warming leading up to climate change - which is bull crap in either respect), I'm not buying this bull crap.

Yes, this is a political issue because once again, the Republican's a using common sense and logic and the Democrats are pretending that there's a problem so that they can make money off of it.

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

4 minutes ago, Kanil said:

You're really owning those POS libs!  You go girl!

It’s a joke settle down 

[Mike Honcho 5,429]

3 minutes ago, Kanil said:

No... what I'm saying is you are equating "ice age" with "climate change" and you're wrong.

The subsequent posts are the exact reason I didn't follow up after my initial post.   

[Cdub100 3,995]

51 minutes ago, Kanil said:

There is consensus around MMGW but people like to pick and choose which science they believe in.  It's become such a left/right political issue now that the right is not going to budge on it.

Also, lots of people in the thread don't seem to understand that MMGW has led to climate change.  They're two different things, one is the cause, one is the effect.

No there is not consensus. About 3% believe global warming is caused by man. The rest say that climate change is happening and don't give a reason. The global warming cult lump those scientist in with the 3%

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

The subsequent posts are the exact reason I didn't follow up after my initial post.   

No, it's because you have no argument.

[Cdub100 3,995]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

The ice age was a result of climate change.  That is a fact.  There were no people then.  Another fact.  Hence, since man didn't make that climate change (sorry... that global warming leading up to climate change - which is bull crap in either respect), I'm not buying this bull crap.

Yes, this is a political issue because once again, the Republican's a using common sense and logic and the Democrats are pretending that there's a problem so that they can make money off of it.

There was a forest at the poles before man. Who caused that global warming.

If anything global warming is GOOD for the Earth. 

[Kanil 521]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

The ice age was a result of climate change.  That is a fact.  There were no people then.  Another fact.  Hence, since man didn't make that climate change (sorry... that global warming leading up to climate change - which is bull crap in either respect), I'm not buying this bull crap.

Yes, this is a political issue because once again, the Republican's a using common sense and logic and the Democrats are pretending that there's a problem so that they can make money off of it.

You're showing you really don't understand (or don't believe) the science around MMGW and current climate change.

[Strike 6,017]

54 minutes ago, Kanil said:

There is consensus around MMGW but people like to pick and choose which science they believe in.  It's become such a left/right political issue now that the right is not going to budge on it.

Also, lots of people in the thread don't seem to understand that MMGW has led to climate change.  They're two different things, one is the cause, one is the effect.

Please detail this "consensus", and be specific.  Is the consensus that man is the SOLE cause of climate change?  If not, what percentage of it is caused by man?  Also, please provide links.