Is there a way to stop the shootings?

[Casual Observer 597]

10 hours ago, cbfalcon said:

I’ve never accused the ethnic group of being terrorists. But I will state that terrorists are terrorists, including the terrorists that killed people in Dayton and El Paso. It’s not an accusation even, it’s fact. 

Edit it to say..I haven’t read up much in Dayton dude, so I shouldn’t be so resolute there. Frankly, that story bored me, as we’d just done the other. It’s like baseball. Takes too much effort to watch one boring game as is, but a double header is out of the question. 

"Terrorists are terrorists" is such a profound statement.  You're the guy railing against white supremacists on the El Paso shooting thread and generally ranting against racist white people all the time, among other things.

You lost interest here because the Dayton shooter was a leftist Antifa type, with views that align with your own.

[lod001 1,344]

1 hour ago, cbfalcon said:

I’d be just as or more concerned about the Good Samaritan citizens shooting the wrong guy. You hear gunshots and see bodies, then you see a guy in a hoodie shooting, you take him out. Then find out he was just doing what you were doing. 

That too. I guess you just say,  'Oops, my bad'

[Baker Boy 1,698]

Venezuelans regret gun ban, 'a declaration of war against an unarmed population'

 

CUCUTA, Venezuela/Colombia border As Venezuela continues to crumble under the socialist dictatorship of President Nicolas Maduro, some are expressing words of warning and resentment against a six-year-old gun control bill that stripped citizens of their weapons.

 

Guns would have served as a vital pillar to remaining a free people, or at least able to put up a fight, Javier Vanegas, 28, a Venezuelan teacher of English now exiled in Ecuador, told Fox News. The government security forces, at the beginning of this debacle, knew they had no real opposition to their force. Once things were this bad, it was a clear declaration of war against an unarmed population.

 

Under the direction of then-President Hugo Chavez, the Venezuelan National Assembly in 2012 enacted the Control of Arms, Munitions and Disarmament Law, with the explicit aim to disarm all citizens. The law took effect in 2013, with only minimal pushback from some pro-democracy opposition figures, banned the legal commercial sale of guns and munitions to all - except government entities.

https://www.foxnews....ended-ourselves

[Lil' Webtoed Porkbutt 155]

I'm surprised no one has brought up that the food today is full of hormones and other things. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

25 minutes ago, MDC said:

Not sure what kind of data you want. About 5% of adults have CC permits. That’s not much of a sample size and wouldn’t tell you much about how it would play out if every adult everywhere were carrying at all times.

5% of 180 Million people is a small sample size?   Sounds like 9 million people to me.  All with easy data to follow if they start shooting someone at a traffic light. 

[MDC 7,335]

5 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

5% of 180 Million people is a small sample size?   Sounds like 9 million people to me.  All with easy data to follow if they start shooting someone at a traffic light. 

Yes, I’d say 5% of people with CC permits is too small a sample size to extrapolate out what it would look like if 100% of people were permitted and carrying at all times. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Many of them are atheist or agnostic.  The loss of religion in the nation might be a factor in the rise of mass shootings.  If you don't fear God and don't fear hell, you are more prone to shoot up places.  In the old days, crazy people had it pounded in their head to not kill and respect others via the 10 commandments.  Not so much today.

 

Dahmer, Loughner, Holmes, McVeigh were all atheist or agnostic.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

Yes, I’d say 5% of people with CC permits is too small a sample size to extrapolate out what it would look like if 100% of people were permitted and carrying at all times. 

Is that why no lefty points a finger at Chicago killings, too small a sample size of America. 

[vuduchile 1,945]

7 hours ago, mmmmm...beer said:

Shoot bro that's a great question.  It's not like these wackos do anything in front of us.  We're never around.  How many carrying civs would we need to have a couple at every event ever?  And be trained enough to use them?

No clue... that's a pretty pie in the sky question.

Big events with a certain % of civilians carrying concealed weapons sounds dangerous.  Even if they're trained, how would we ensure that they're all using good judgement when it comes to actually pulling their weapon?  I'd prefer LEO's handle that stuff.  If we don't have enough officers to make that work, hire more or bring in the national guard to help at these huge events.  

Schools should really have police officers stationed there.  The guy in Parkland notwithstanding, an officer or two should be a deterrent as well as an onsite first responder who could nip things in the bud.  

The small events and/or everyday gathering places (churches, stores, workplaces, etc) are the bigger challenge.  Law enforcement simply can't be on site to protect everyone, but perhaps that's what the world we're looking at.  If it becomes too dangerous to go shopping, Wal Mart will either have to cough up the funds to secure their stores, or close them down.  

[JustinCharge 2,397]

  Gabe Parker (2002-)
Atheist mass murderer who shot and killed 2 people in 1998, as well as injuring 19 others at Marshall County High School in Kentucky. He affiliated himself with the "United Church of Bacon," a website that describes itself as one for atheists. After questioning him about his motive, the county sheriff's captain reported, "The biggest thing he gave me was that he said he was an atheist and that his life had no purpose and other people’s lives also had no purpose."

 Devin Patrick Kelley (1991-2017)
Atheist mass murderer who entered a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, shooting and killing 26 people, as well as injuring 20 others. His former classmates said he was an atheist who used social media to mock Christianity.

 Elliot Rodger (1991-2014)
Atheist mass murderer who killed 6 people and injured 14 others at the University of California, Santa Barbara, using multiple guns and knives, and then committed suicide. He had written in his journal: "I am the closest thing there is to a living god. Humanity is a disgusting, depraved, and evil species. It is my purpose to punish them all."

 Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer (1989-2015)
a.k.a. Chris Harper Mercer
Mass murderer from California who killed 9 people at Umpqua Community College in Oregon, the deadliest shooting in the state's history. He described himself as an atheist on his MySpace page and asked multiple people if they were Christians and then shot them if they answered yes.

[iam90sbaby 2,599]

2 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

Big events with a certain % of civilians carrying concealed weapons sounds dangerous.  

Why? Auto races, horse riding events, rodeos, pretty much any conservative style  sporting event has a large concentration of people and you rarely if ever hear stories of anyone getting hurt..hmm wonder why

[MDC 7,335]

12 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Is that why no lefty points a finger at Chicago killings, too small a sample size of America. 

I don’t get the obsession with Chicago. There are a lot of murders there and that sucks. I definitely don’t think there would be fewer gun murders if every Chicagoan were carrying.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Connor Betts, who was the shooter in Dayton, also was an atheist.

 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

I think just about all mass shooters who write manifestos are also atheists or agnostic as well, with huge screeds railing against religion.

[bostonlager 2,664]

6 minutes ago, MDC said:

I don’t get the obsession with Chicago. There are a lot of murders there and that sucks. I definitely don’t think there would be fewer gun murders if every Chicagoan were carrying.

Here is a list of all homicides in Chicago in 2019 so far. How does 13% of he population account for almost all homicides?

 

https://graphics.suntimes.com/homicides/

 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Color me shocked that the media points the finger at Trump's rhetoric and not one of them mentions Madonna wishing someone would blow up the White House, or Maxine Waters imploring people to physically confront republicans in public, or Joe Biden saying he wants to punch out Trump.  Its all on Trump, of course.  The Dayton shooter was a liberal but no one in the media dares to draw a line connecting liberal threats of violence in their leadership to him.

[Hawkeye21 2,398]

2 minutes ago, riversco said:

Color me shocked that the media points the finger at Trump's rhetoric and not one of them mentions Madonna wishing someone would blow up the White House, or Maxine Waters imploring people to physically confront republicans in public, or Joe Biden saying he wants to punch out Trump.  Its all on Trump, of course.  The Dayton shooter was a liberal but no one in the media dares to draw a line connecting liberal threats of violence in their leadership to him.

Anyone who has a large platform with a large following needs to take responsibility for what they say.  There are too many mentally unstable people who take things to literally and think they are doing something for the greater good.

[Baker Boy 1,698]

13 minutes ago, bostonlager said:

Here is a list of all homicides in Chicago in 2019 so far. How does 13% of he population account for almost all homicides?

 

https://graphics.suntimes.com/homicides/

 

In reality, young black males (age 13-40) make up about 3% of the population and are responsible for about 57% of all violent crime.

[vuduchile 1,945]

2 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Why? Auto races, horse riding events, rodeos, pretty much any conservative style  sporting event has a large concentration of people and you rarely if ever hear stories of anyone getting hurt..hmm wonder why

Aside from the school shootings and private homes, the places hit have been pretty random, so it's hard to pinpoint a real pattern of locations.   

There have been 18 multiple person shootings so far this year.  Below is a list of where they occurred.

A Florida Bank

A home in GA

A home in LA

2 diff homes in CA

A home in TX

A mfg plant in IL

A home in MS

An apt in Ohio.

A home in MO

A municipal building in VA

An Indian Reservation in WA

A home in CA

An apt building in MO

A gas station and a bus in CA

A garlic festival in CA

A home in WI

A Wal Mart in TX

A nightlife district in OH

 

 

 

[sderk 1,040]

Just now, Baker Boy said:

In reality, young black males (age 13-40) make up about 3% of the population and are responsible for about 57% of all violent crime.

3/57

Sounds about right. I'm guessing it's more like 7/90 if they actually caught all the criminals.

[TBayXXXVII 2,536]

14 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

The video game Doom sorta started the first person hyper violent shooter video game craze. These mass shootings started popping up shortly after and have been with us since. Could be a coinkydink and I’m sure there’s plenty of other factors, but if I had to put my finger on just one thing that would probably be it.

Wow!  Something I actually agree with you on.  I think they definitely play a role.  Probably not as big a role as you may think, but a role nonetheless.

[bostonlager 2,664]

6 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

In reality, young black males (age 13-40) make up about 3% of the population and are responsible for about 57% of all violent crime.

This goes to show that the more important question is how to we get black crime under control and make it so they are not a net drain on society. 

[Mr Fantasy 67]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Anyone who has a large platform with a large following needs to take responsibility for what they say.  There are too many mentally unstable people who take things to literally and think they are doing something for the greater good.

Liberal media also demonizes white males. They have some culpability when some of these sick bastards snap. Both the right and left need to dial it back

[Hawkeye21 2,398]

1 minute ago, Mr Fantasy said:

Liberal media also demonizes white males. They have some culpability when some of these sick bastards snap. Both the right and left need to dial it back

I won't argue that.  Everyone needs to stop egging them on.

[edjr 6,580]

Stop sensationalizing these focks on the news. Only way to get it to stop. Stop making them into some sick martyrs. 

[Hawkeye21 2,398]

4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Wow!  Something I actually agree with you on.  I think they definitely play a role.  Probably not as big a role as you may think, but a role nonetheless.

I'm sure it may have a very small role but I think the issues these people have are there before the games or movies.  People are over the world are playing the same games and watching the same movies but we stand alone when it comes to this issue.

[TBayXXXVII 2,536]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm sure it may have a very small role but I think the issues these people have are there before the games or movies.  People are over the world are playing the same games and watching the same movies but we stand alone when it comes to this issue.

I agree.  That's why I said I don't think their role is as much as he probably thinks.

Part of the problem on this front is that lazy parents are allowing their kids to play these games as to not need a baby sitter.  There's no oversight.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

34 minutes ago, MDC said:

I don’t get the obsession with Chicago. There are a lot of murders there and that sucks. I definitely don’t think there would be fewer gun murders if every Chicagoan were carrying.

Yeah 10 shootings everyday pales in comparison to 10 shootings in a day.  Totally different. 

[sderk 1,040]

There are always going to be crazy individuals that kill other people. You can't stop those individuals by any means. But when talking about whole social groups acting like barbarians (see south and west Chicago), that can be solved. People just don't want to hear the solution because it offends their pretend senses.

[Mr Fantasy 67]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm sure it may have a very small role but I think the issues these people have are there before the games or movies.  People are over the world are playing the same games and watching the same movies but we stand alone when it comes to this issue.

I heard  the US is 66th in the world in mass shootings . Seems crazy

[MDC 7,335]

2 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Yeah 10 shootings everyday pales in comparison to 10 shootings in a day.  Totally different. 

I still have no idea what your point is or what Chicago has to do with whether everyone concealed carrying would have a net positive or negative impact on gun violence. 

[edjr 6,580]

blacks kill blacks for business.

Whites shoot sh1t up for notoriety

[Hawkeye21 2,398]

8 minutes ago, Mr Fantasy said:

I heard  the US is 66th in the world in mass shootings . Seems crazy

That is surprising.  Our rate is lower based on population.  I would have thought we were much higher.

[sderk 1,040]

9 minutes ago, MDC said:

I still have no idea.

Sounds about right....

[TBayXXXVII 2,536]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Trump shares some blame as well.

Here's an article from 2014, talking about mass shootings going up since 2k.  Does Trump share some blame there as well?

[bostonlager 2,664]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Here's an article from 2014, talking about mass shootings going up since 2k.  Does Trump share some blame there as well?

He didn't pay attention to politics back then, so those statistics do not count. 

 

Orange man bad. 

[Hawkeye21 2,398]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Here's an article from 2014, talking about mass shootings going up since 2k.  Does Trump share some blame there as well?

No, why would he?

[Hawkeye21 2,398]

1 minute ago, bostonlager said:

He didn't pay attention to politics back then, so those statistics do not count. 

 

Orange man bad. 

So Trump had zero influence on these last two shooters?

[bostonlager 2,664]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

So Trump had zero influence on these last two shooters?

The one here in Ohio was a Liz Warren loving homosexual. I would blame Fauxchohontas first, and look around at the other dems that have been on stage here of late. I would also blame FauxcoNegro (Harris) as well. 

[sderk 1,040]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

So Trump had zero influence on these last two shooters?

Correct.