The Observer 641 Posted March 2, 2020 18 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: Every Democrat politician is looking for medicare for all, or something like it. Also, all of them are calling for student debt forgiveness in some form or fashion. Neither of those are a moderate point of view. Apparently your party is moving so far left, that moderate is still left. Bernie and Warren are calling for medicare for all. And free college. Biden and Bloomberg (and Mayor Pete and Klobachar) want to keep and improve Obamacare. There is a HUGE difference between the progressive wing and the moderate wing of the Democratic party. Because Trump is so far right, there's a natural tendency for the pendulum to swing further left to combat it. The fear among most Democrats (and the DNC) is that Sanders is so far left that he will not get the tons of voters who voted Obama in 2008 n 2012 and Trump in 2016. For a Democrat or independent to switch to a Republican, they had to be floating somewhere in the moderate range. Biden has the best chance of getting those people back. Especially in the states that matter (PA, WI, MI). The fear is that Bernie will get the nomination and Trump will get reelected and Dems will suffer down ballot. They fear of 4 years of Trump with a Republican senate and congress (for at least two of those years). It's a catch 22. Dems need young voters to register and vote, and they are Bernie's best demographic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,988 Posted March 2, 2020 40 minutes ago, The Observer said: Good move. She was just taking delegates from a legitimate contender. Ooof. Put this in the pile with the other many instances of Newbie not having a clue. 7. Lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,596 Posted March 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, The Observer said: Bernie and Warren are calling for medicare for all. And free college. Biden and Bloomberg (and Mayor Pete and Klobachar) want to keep and improve Obamacare. There is a HUGE difference between the progressive wing and the moderate wing of the Democratic party. Because Trump is so far right, there's a natural tendency for the pendulum to swing further left to combat it. The fear among most Democrats (and the DNC) is that Sanders is so far left that he will not get the tons of voters who voted Obama in 2008 n 2012 and Trump in 2016. For a Democrat or independent to switch to a Republican, they had to be floating somewhere in the moderate range. Biden has the best chance of getting those people back. Especially in the states that matter (PA, WI, MI). The fear is that Bernie will get the nomination and Trump will get reelected and Dems will suffer down ballot. They fear of 4 years of Trump with a Republican senate and congress (for at least two of those years). It's a catch 22. Dems need young voters to register and vote, and they are Bernie's best demographic. Klobuchar and Pete were the two I'd have considered from the dems so... MAGA$#@! Bernie and Warren are no-gos. Biden would have topped my list last year but I just can't now -- he seriously has something like Alzheimers. I know Newbie will tell us about a bunch of lies from Trump, but Biden has lost it. I feel sorry for him as I think he is a good guy from my home area, and part of me hopes he makes it because the debates with Trump would be epic, but nah, he needs to go. That leaves Bloomberg, who at least recognizes that things like pandemic committees shouldn't be made up of rainbow people but rather the best and brightest, so I'll give him a look. Unfortunately he is so short that I don't think he can win the debates on TV. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted March 2, 2020 Trump and all Trump supporters trying to talk about the Democratic primary race: "They're all out to screw Bernie. I can't believe they're screwing him again. You guys should be really mad. Probably just stay home and not vote in the general. Even Donald said they're screwing Bernie. And he has no ulterior motive for saying that" Oooof Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted March 2, 2020 1 minute ago, jerryskids said: Klobuchar and Pete were the two I'd have considered from the dems so... MAGA$#@! Bernie and Warren are no-gos. Biden would have topped my list last year but I just can't now -- he seriously has something like Alzheimers. I know Newbie will tell us about a bunch of lies from Trump, but Biden has lost it. I feel sorry for him as I think he is a good guy from my home area, and part of me hopes he makes it because the debates with Trump would be epic, but nah, he needs to go. That leaves Bloomberg, who at least recognizes that things like pandemic committees shouldn't be made up of rainbow people but rather the best and brightest, so I'll give him a look. Unfortunately he is so short that I don't think he can win the debates on TV. I don't even disagree with any of this except for the crazy fact that you support Trump and worry about Biden's mental decline? Other than that, I agree. Buttigieg was the best candidate by far. Probably Amy after him. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,596 Posted March 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Observer said: I don't even disagree with any of this except for the crazy fact that you support Trump and worry about Biden's mental decline? Other than that, I agree. Buttigieg was the best candidate by far. Probably Amy after him. Trump is the crazy uncle you know and kinda like. Commander McBragg from Bullwinkle, always bloviates about his accomplishments. I haven't seen any particular decline in his mental capacity. I could see objecting to him in the presence of another candidate but... Biden bless his heart, I see him declining before my eyes. I'm not happy about it, and I'd have been fine with him as my president. But [StarTrekMcCoy] he's gone, Jim [/]. I just can't endorse it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted March 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, jerryskids said: Trump is the crazy uncle you know and kinda like. Commander McBragg from Bullwinkle, always bloviates about his accomplishments. I haven't seen any particular decline in his mental capacity. I could see objecting to him in the presence of another candidate but... Biden bless his heart, I see him declining before my eyes. I'm not happy about it, and I'd have been fine with him as my president. But [StarTrekMcCoy] he's gone, Jim [/]. I just can't endorse it. I've seen a huge decline. He mumbles and stumbles over common words. Loses his rain of thought. Even reading off a teleprompter, he often mispronounces words. The insults and childish behavior aren't a sign of mental decline. That's all Trump has ever done. That's a character trait. But if you watch an interview from ten or even five years ago, he's so much more well spoken. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonS 3,292 Posted March 2, 2020 ETA before Warren throws in the towel? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted March 2, 2020 1 minute ago, DonS said: ETA before Warren throws in the towel? Tomorrow at about 10pm. Her last chance to impress the old white men into making her VP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted March 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, DonS said: ETA before Warren throws in the towel? Wednesday? Maybe Thursday? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,615 Posted March 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, DonS said: ETA before Warren throws in the towel? What Timmy said... Once she gets abused tomorrow, she will take her eight delegates that she is stealing and drop out... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,264 Posted March 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, DonS said: ETA before Warren throws in the towel? She has said she's going to amass as many delegates as she can and try to win at the convention. She may be blowing smoke but sounds like she's in it for the long haul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonS 3,292 Posted March 2, 2020 Is Warren the last "person of color" left in the running for President, or does that honor go to the bad Orange man? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,491 Posted March 2, 2020 1 hour ago, The Observer said: Bernie and Warren are calling for medicare for all. And free college. Biden and Bloomberg (and Mayor Pete and Klobachar) want to keep and improve Obamacare. There is a HUGE difference between the progressive wing and the moderate wing of the Democratic party. Because Trump is so far right, there's a natural tendency for the pendulum to swing further left to combat it. The fear among most Democrats (and the DNC) is that Sanders is so far left that he will not get the tons of voters who voted Obama in 2008 n 2012 and Trump in 2016. For a Democrat or independent to switch to a Republican, they had to be floating somewhere in the moderate range. Biden has the best chance of getting those people back. Especially in the states that matter (PA, WI, MI). The fear is that Bernie will get the nomination and Trump will get reelected and Dems will suffer down ballot. They fear of 4 years of Trump with a Republican senate and congress (for at least two of those years). It's a catch 22. Dems need young voters to register and vote, and they are Bernie's best demographic. The ACA is just the first step to medicare for all. Obama knew that, as did most Democrats, including Klobuchar and Buttigeig. They're objective is to do it piece by piece instead one big jump (like Bernie and Warren). Biden is really the only moderate on the Democrat ticket, and to win the nomination, he's got to be far left. Bloomberg is just a baffoon. LOL @ Trump being "...so far right". Does that mean now that prison reform is a far right agenda? Guess Bill and Barrack are far right too... since they wanted that as well. Odd that with a majority in the house and senate for each of them for at least 2 years, they weren't able to get that done. Don't ya think? I'm thinking it's because as long as minorities think their victims, they'll continue to act like and be enslaved into the Democrat party. Note, I don't think it, I know it... but that's another issue. An issue that can be discussed when you want to come to the realization the Democrat party is the true party of the racists. Here's the funny thing about the Democrat party. They created the Millennial demographic... now it's in their best interest to ignore it. Another reason why it's funny, because it's the same thing the Democrats do all the time. Create victims, ignore them, blame the Republicans... rinse and repeat (see racism and gender pay gap). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted March 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: The ACA is just the first step to medicare for all. LOL @ Trump being "...so far right". Does that mean now that prison reform is a far right agenda? Guess Bill and Barrack are far right too... since they wanted that as well. Odd that with a majority in the house and senate for each of them for at least 2 years, they weren't able to get that done. Don't ya think? Here's the funny thing about the Democrat party. They created the Millennial demographic... now it's in their best interest to ignore it. Another reason why it's funny, because it's the same thing the Democrats do all the time. Create victims, ignore them, blame the Republicans... rinse and repeat. Socially, Trump is extremely right. More tax breaks for the richest people in the country. Anti-environment. Lifting restrictions to help big business. Anti- Muslim. Anti-Mexicans. Pro-hatred. Pro--divisiveness. He is everything the Democrats stand against. So naturally, there's going to be a huge pushback. That's the pendulum swinging the other way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,988 Posted March 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, The Observer said: Socially, Trump is extremely right. More tax breaks for the richest people in the country. Anti-environment. Lifting restrictions to help big business. Anti- Muslim. Anti-Mexicans. Pro-hatred. Pro--divisiveness. He is everything the Democrats stand against. So naturally, there's going to be a huge pushback. That's the pendulum swinging the other way. Good god. Such a morally inferior being judging others. Give it a rest, no one things you are virtuous. You’re kind of a scumbag actually. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted March 2, 2020 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: Good god. Such a morally inferior being judging others. Give it a rest, no one things you are virtuous. You’re kind of a scumbag actually. I have more integrity, compassion, and kindness in my left nut than anyone who could possibly support Trump does in his entire body. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,988 Posted March 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Observer said: I have more integrity, compassion, and kindness in my left nut than anyone who could possibly support Trump does in his entire body. To wit.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted March 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, The Observer said: I have more integrity, compassion, and kindness in my left nut than anyone who could possibly support Trump does in his entire body. Yet you are going to give your time and money to Greece after the horrific things they are doing to needy people in the world. Your compassion is overwhelming. Syrian refugees 'turned back from Greek border by police' Asylum seekers crossing from Turkey say they have been illegally deported by Greek police or blocked from entering https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/dec/07/syrian-refugees-turned-back-greek On the edge of Europe, where the river Evros meanders towards the Aegean sea, a new tragedy involving two of the world's most troubled peoples is unfolding. On one side of the river border are gathered clusters of Syrian refugees, desperate to escape the misery of war and put the Turkish camps behind them. But beyond the perilous currents lies Greece, a nation so economically bereft it has little time or resources for them. The Evros has always been a barrier to those seeking asylum in the European Union, but now the surging tide of migrants fleeing Syria faces something new. Refugees, non-governmental organisation (NGO) workers and lawyers have told the Guardian that border forces have been pushing asylum seekers back into their boats and escorting them back back across to the Turkish side. Advertisement This summer two people smugglers left 25 Syrian refugees to cross the Evros alone at night. There were two rubber dinghies. The first disappeared across the river into the night. The second floated towards Greece, developed a leak, spun for 15 minutes and then capsized. Most of the men, women and children could not swim. Some survived using a fallen tree and some of the islands that peek out of the shallow waters. The bedraggled Syrians who made it ashore walked for a couple of miles through dense woodland and asparagus fields. It was nearly dawn but still dark when they arrived in a small Greek border village. Hungry, muddy-booted migrants are a common sight across northern Greece. Since the start of this year, 23,000 undocumented migrants and asylum seekers were arrested in Greece after crossing the border from Turkey. Syrians were the second-largest nationality arrested. After their arrest, they are usually detained in administrative holding centres by the EU border police, Frontex, which has been deployed a few miles from the border since 2010. However, the group of Syrian refugees who made it across the Evros that night were not registered. Instead, they were arrested by officers in "blue uniforms" and driven back to the river. "There were between 100 to 150 people by the river," said Farouk (not his real name), a 29-year-old from the Qamishli region in northern Syria. "They were of many nationalities, mainly Syrian. Some tried to make problems: they had paid a lot of money to get that far. When that happened, the police beat them. The police kicked and slapped them, including the women, they picked up children and threw them into the boat." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldMaid 2,129 Posted March 2, 2020 2 hours ago, jerryskids said: Klobuchar and Pete were the two I'd have considered from the dems so... MAGA$#@! Bernie and Warren are no-gos. Biden would have topped my list last year but I just can't now -- he seriously has something like Alzheimers. I know Newbie will tell us about a bunch of lies from Trump, but Biden has lost it. I feel sorry for him as I think he is a good guy from my home area, and part of me hopes he makes it because the debates with Trump would be epic, but nah, he needs to go. That leaves Bloomberg, who at least recognizes that things like pandemic committees shouldn't be made up of rainbow people but rather the best and brightest, so I'll give him a look. Unfortunately he is so short that I don't think he can win the debates on TV. We just mailed in our ballots for Bloomberg this weekend. To us, he’s the most sane one on the left. We liked Pete, but he seemed just a little too groomed, if you know what I mean. Klobuchar would have been good too, if she could have kept her composure under fire. But she had that nervous Chihuahua thing going on. Probably won’t matter, though, pretty sure the idiots will give our state to Bernie... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,207 Posted March 2, 2020 2 hours ago, DonS said: Is Warren the last "person of color" left in the running for President, or does that honor go to the bad Orange man? Tulsi is still running (for some reason). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonS 3,292 Posted March 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Voltaire said: Tulsi is still running (for some reason). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,207 Posted March 2, 2020 Bernie, Biden, Bloomberg, Warren, and Tulsi are left. Tomorrow is going to be nuts to see how the pieces shake out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,988 Posted March 2, 2020 Won’t gay Pete and junk in the trunk still be on the ballot? They had to have printed them up already, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
porkbutt 892 Posted March 2, 2020 here's your dem candidate... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonS 3,292 Posted March 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Won’t gay Pete and junk in the trunk still be on the ballot? They had to have printed them up already, right? WA State primary ballots came out a couple weeks ago and still had Corey Booker listed for Christ's sake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonS 3,292 Posted March 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, porkbutt said: here's your dem candidate... Hairy Legs / Corn Pop 2020!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,988 Posted March 2, 2020 Just now, DonS said: WA State primary ballots came out a couple weeks ago and still had Corey Booker listed for Christ's sake. Great. Also, I would think older people may stay home because of the Coronavirus. Advantage Bernie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,207 Posted March 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Won’t gay Pete and junk in the trunk still be on the ballot? They had to have printed them up already, right? Yes. Delaney, Yang, Bennet etc, are all on these ballots. Anyone who filed the paperwork will be on the ballot even if they drop out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonS 3,292 Posted March 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Great. Also, I would think older people may stay home because of the Coronavirus. Advantage Bernie. I think young people are more inclined to vote via mail-in rather than in person. More young people may show up for rallies, but actual voting I think is different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted March 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, DonS said: Hairy Legs / Corn Pop 2020!!! I love the racist ebonics attempt. Such a scumbag Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted March 2, 2020 3 hours ago, The Observer said: Socially, Trump is extremely right. More tax breaks for the richest people in the country. Anti-environment. Lifting restrictions to help big business. Anti- Muslim. Anti-Mexicans. Pro-hatred. Pro--divisiveness. He is everything the Democrats stand against. So naturally, there's going to be a huge pushback. That's the pendulum swinging the other way. Hey bozo, big business employs people. So focking stupid. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,207 Posted March 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, drobeski said: I love the racist ebonics attempt. Such a scumbag The Corn Pops rendered a split decision between Bernie and PetButt. Bernie is now fighting with Warren for the Frosted Flakes while at the same time battling Biden for the Coco Puffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bostonlager 2,664 Posted March 2, 2020 23 minutes ago, DonS said: Hairy Legs / Corn Pop 2020!!! Don’t forget this sicko loves it when kids jump on his lap as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted March 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, bostonlager said: Don’t forget this sicko loves it when kids jump on his lap as well. Ooohhh. Just like newbie. Go figure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonS 3,292 Posted March 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, Fireballer said: THAT IS GLORIOUS!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,116 Posted March 3, 2020 59 minutes ago, Fireballer said: Is this real.... Jesus, wtf. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
