Hawkeye21 2,405 Posted July 23, 2020 13 hours ago, KSB2424 said: I have children, you are half right. 1. The petri dishes are normally toddlers / preschoolers, sucking thumbs, putting random things in their mouths, running noses where they don't GAF. I always had a cold as a parent with pre-preschoolers. Hardly ever anymore. They are now 8 and 11. 2. The angst with parents is not for kids going to "preschool". It's Elementary - Middle - High. These kids - pre teens - teens don't do what you state above and school is much more important both for education, maturity, sanity, psychology, etc. 3. Don't ask me why, I'm no scientist but the data we have now says kids, for whatever reason and based on this particular virus seem to transmit at a much lower rate between themselves and to other adults. Just google it. Do we really have enough data to go by to determine this though? Kids haven't been in school and parents have been keeping their kids distanced from larger groups since the pandemic started. It seems odd that COVID wouldn't spread just as easily by kids in school as the cold and flu does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted July 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: Do we really have enough data to go by to determine this though? Kids haven't been in school and parents have been keeping their kids distanced from larger groups since the pandemic started. It seems odd that COVID wouldn't spread just as easily by kids in school as the cold and flu does. so what if its spreads, what's the risk to the kids or the staff if they get it. You're vulnerable, stay home and isolated, you're not, get the fock to work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,611 Posted July 23, 2020 1 minute ago, drobeski said: so what if its spreads, what's the risk to the kids or the staff if they get it. You're vulnerable, stay home and isolated, you're not, get the fock to work. I'm with you for the most part. 2 issues. Not everyone knows if they are vulnerable and some people have no choice, but to go to work, even if they are CBF Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted July 23, 2020 Sucks for some when their beloved science contradicts their more beloved dogma. Revert to "makes sense". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,611 Posted July 23, 2020 22 hours ago, KSB2424 said: There is evidence out there that kids do not transmit Covid - 19 as easily as adults do. Maybe that changes but that’s the current scientific assumption. Because when they sneeze/cough, their droplets go into your balls, not your face Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,405 Posted July 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, drobeski said: so what if its spreads, what's the risk to the kids or the staff if they get it. You're vulnerable, stay home and isolated, you're not, get the fock to work. I don't know, but that wasn't the point. I'm not arguing that but to say kids don't spread this virus as easily just doesn't make sense to me and I don't think there is enough evidence yet to prove different. I'm still sending my kids to school as long as they allow it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,405 Posted July 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, TimmySmith said: Sucks for some when their beloved science contradicts their more beloved dogma. Revert to "makes sense". Huh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted July 23, 2020 32 minutes ago, edjr said: I'm with you for the most part. 2 issues. Not everyone knows if they are vulnerable and some people have no choice, but to go to work, even if they are CBF Still stupid to destroy our economy and our children's lives for that nonsense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 1,942 Posted July 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, drobeski said: Still stupid to destroy our economy and our children's lives for that nonsense. The destruction is meant to damage President Trump's reelection. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,518 Posted July 23, 2020 If there isn’t in person school then some teachers and staff need to be laid off. Why would we continue to pay gym teachers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted July 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: If there isn’t in person school then some teachers and staff need to be laid off. Why would we continue to pay gym teachers? Why continue to pay any of them if they don't want to work ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,612 Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said: I don't know, but that wasn't the point. I'm not arguing that but to say kids don't spread this virus as easily just doesn't make sense to me and I don't think there is enough evidence yet to prove different. I'm still sending my kids to school as long as they allow it. We aren't the only country in the world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,405 Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Strike said: We aren't the only country in the world. Very true. How many other countries have had students in class during the pandemic and do they use the same safety protocols that our schools are going to use? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,518 Posted July 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said: Very true. How many other countries have had students in class during the pandemic and do they use the same safety protocols that our schools are going to use? Why don’t you know this already? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,405 Posted July 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Why don’t you know this already? Is this something I should already know? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,612 Posted July 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: Is this something I should already know? It's something you could easily research. But, like Worms and some others here, you'd rather just post ignorantly. Some of us prefer to post from a more educated position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,518 Posted July 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: Is this something I should already know? Yes. If you’re going to be chiming in as much as you do on the subject. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,863 Posted July 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said: I don't know, but that wasn't the point. I'm not arguing that but to say kids don't spread this virus as easily just doesn't make sense to me and I don't think there is enough evidence yet to prove different. I thought this at first but now I'm not so sure. Kids are designed to get a bunch of diseases early and build up immunities. Perhaps they are also designed to not transfer them as much? We all talk about schools being "germ factories" but the adult population isn't getting wiped out. So maybe some combo of the immunities adults have developed + kids being poor transport mechanisms to adults. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted July 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, jerryskids said: I thought this at first but now I'm not so sure. Kids are designed to get a bunch of diseases early and build up immunities. Perhaps they are also designed to not transfer them as much? We all talk about schools being "germ factories" but the adult population isn't getting wiped out. So maybe some combo of the immunities adults have developed + kids being poor transport mechanisms to adults. Mr. Science doesn't think there is enough evidence yet, because that would mean he hasn't a clue. Clever tactic. Kids being germ carriers is a myth. One that could be true, but for lack of, you know, any evidence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,405 Posted July 23, 2020 I have yet to see any of you prove that kids do not carry viruses more than adults. Just the typical smart azz replies like always. I'm not the one making claims here. I am questioning your claims, so back it up or shut up. In my experience, kids have always spread viruses more than adults and it's especially true during the school year. I have not read anything that proves that to be false. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,612 Posted July 23, 2020 Just now, Hawkeye21 said: I have yet to see any of you prove that kids do not carry viruses more than adults. Just the typical smart azz replies like always. I'm not the one making claims here. I am questioning your claims, so back it up or shut up. In my experience, kids have always spread viruses more than adults and it's especially true during the school year. I have not read anything that proves that to be false. We're not talking about viruses in general. We're talking about THIS virus. And there is plenty of evidence. Look it up if you care to not be ignorant. Or don't send your kids if they open up schools. Your choice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,518 Posted July 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: I have yet to see any of you prove that kids do not carry viruses more than adults. Just the typical smart azz replies like always. I'm not the one making claims here. I am questioning your claims, so back it up or shut up. In my experience, kids have always spread viruses more than adults and it's especially true during the school year. I have not read anything that proves that to be false. Nice try. Your ignorance is your problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,863 Posted July 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said: I have yet to see any of you prove that kids do not carry viruses more than adults. Just the typical smart azz replies like always. I'm not the one making claims here. I am questioning your claims, so back it up or shut up. In my experience, kids have always spread viruses more than adults and it's especially true during the school year. I have not read anything that proves that to be false. I tried to provide a non-snarky reply, showing how it might make sense that kids aren't the best germ transport to adults. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted July 23, 2020 Just now, Strike said: We're not talking about viruses in general. We're talking about THIS virus. And there is plenty of evidence. Look it up if you care to not be ignorant. Or don't send your kids if they open up schools. Your choice. The problem is, is those in leadership positions, and the media are taking advantage of so many clueless people like him who end up supporting their awful evil politically motivated shut it down agenda. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,405 Posted July 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Strike said: We're not talking about viruses in general. We're talking about THIS virus. And there is plenty of evidence. Look it up if you care to not be ignorant. Or don't send your kids if they open up schools. Your choice. There's not enough data to prove that right now. This is one of the article I've read, https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/18/how-likely-are-kids-to-get-covid-19-scientists-see-a-huge-puzzle-without-easy-answers/ But teasing out whether kids are as likely to catch the virus and spread it has been exceedingly difficult at a time when children are spending far less time mixing with others than they normally do. “There is a huge puzzle over the dynamics in kids and what happens with kids,” said Nick Davies, an epidemiologist and mathematical modeler at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. “We don’t really have that one great database, piece of evidence, or experiment that has really settled this question,” he said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,405 Posted July 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Nice try. Your ignorance is your problem. Please elaborate, oh great wise one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,405 Posted July 23, 2020 1 minute ago, jerryskids said: I tried to provide a non-snarky reply, showing how it might make sense that kids aren't the best germ transport to adults. You did, and you were the only one he relied in a civil way. The others are always pricks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,518 Posted July 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said: Please elaborate, oh great wise one. You stated yourself you don’t know about what has been the affects of other countries opening their schools. That’s on you. It’s out there and easily obtained. But you demanded proof. Get it yourself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,405 Posted July 23, 2020 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: You stated yourself you don’t know about what has been the affects of other countries opening their schools. That’s on you. It’s out there and easily obtained. But you demanded proof. Get it yourself. I have been looking now. Current data shows that children do not spread the virus well but there is not a lot to go off of to be very accurate. This is the point I was trying to make originally. How accurate can any data be right now when it's still so early? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,518 Posted July 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: I have been looking now. Current data shows that children do not spread the virus well but there is not a lot to go off of to be very accurate. This is the point I was trying to make originally. How accurate can any data be right now when it's still so early? Some other countries never closed their schools. Some opened back up in the spring. Even Chinas are back open. Come on man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,062 Posted July 23, 2020 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/20/parenting/coronavirus-children-spread-covid-19.html Heres an article talking about it. Some researchers theorize that children have fewer receptors that the virus latches onto. Others say their lungs don’t push out as many viral droplets. Either way, they say while it’s too early to say anything definitive, the research suggests children are lass likely to transmit the virus. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,612 Posted July 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: You did, and you were the only one he relied in a civil way. The others are always pricks. If I'm a pr!ck it's because I want to have a discussion. I have no issue disagreeing with someone as long as we are both coming from a place of similar understanding of the issue. Having a discussion with someone who hasn't even done a basic search for information BEFORE posting but has already formed their opinion is fruitless. And there is a word for someone who has an opinion without an understanding of the subject: IGNORANT. You and Worms are classic examples of that. And you'll notice that 99% of the time when I'm a "pr!ck" it's not because of dislike for an individual but a dislike for wasting my time discussing something with someone who doesn't even have a decent understanding of the issue we're discussing. Regarding this topic, I'll just say this. You know who I trust on this issue? Pediatricians. https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2020-06-29/pediatric-group-calls-for-children-to-return-to-schools-despite-coronavirus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,405 Posted July 23, 2020 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: Some other countries never closed their schools. Some opened back up in the spring. Even Chinas are back open. Come on man What current studies are showing is that children under 10 spread the virus less than adults do but those from ages 10 to 19 spread it just as much as adults. Everything I'm reading ends by saying they still do not know for sure and that there are a lot of questions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted July 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Nice try. Your ignorance is your problem. Hey, he just saying there is a lack of science to prove that something doesn't happen. And none that it does. So we really must rely on what makes sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,518 Posted July 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: What current studies are showing is that children under 10 spread the virus less than adults do but those from ages 10 to 19 spread it just as much as adults. Everything I'm reading ends by saying they still do not know for sure and that there are a lot of questions. So it took you one google search to all but abandon your earlier assertion. Amazing. Busy morning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,405 Posted July 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Strike said: If we're pricks it's because I want to have a discussion. I have no issue disagreeing with someone as long as we are both coming from a place of similar understanding of the issue. Having a discussion with someone who hasn't even done a basic search for information BEFORE posting but has already formed their opinion is fruitless. And there is a word for someone who has an opinion without an understanding of the subject: IGNORANT. You and Worms are classic examples of that. And you'll notice that 99% of the time when I'm a "" it's not because of dislike for an individual but a dislike for wasting my time discussing something with someone who doesn't even have a decent understanding of the issue we're discussing. Regarding this topic, I'll just say this. You know who I trust on this issue? Pediatricians. https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2020-06-29/pediatric-group-calls-for-children-to-return-to-schools-despite-coronavirus If you really wanted to have the discussion you could kindly provide me with the content you got your info from so I can get on the same page as you. You are terrible at conversation on here because you're always so rude. Sometimes I like to ask you guys for opinions or information and whenever I question it you just tell me to look it up myself instead of being helpful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,612 Posted July 23, 2020 Just now, Hawkeye21 said: If you really wanted to have the discussion you could kindly provide me with the content you got your info from so I can get on the same page as you. You are terrible at conversation on here because you're always so rude. Sometimes I like to ask you guys for opinions or information and whenever I question it you just tell me to look it up myself instead of being helpful. GFY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,405 Posted July 23, 2020 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: So it took you one google search to all but abandon your earlier assertion. Amazing. Busy morning. Could have just provided me with one link right away and none of this would have happened either. Still haven't seen anything suggest that they have enough data yet but that they are still learning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,405 Posted July 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Strike said: GFY So high strung. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,612 Posted July 23, 2020 Just now, Hawkeye21 said: Could have just provided me with one link right away and none of this would have happened either. Still haven't seen anything suggest that they have enough data yet but that they are still learning. Did you read the link I just posted where the American Academy of Pediatrics is in favor of reopening schools? This is what I'm talking about. Even when given information that SHOULD cause you to rethink things you don't. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites