Coronavirus - Doomsday

[TimHauck 2,929]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

As usual, you missed the point.  I thought it was pretty clear but apparently not. 

What was your point?  Plebes are traveling with a bunch of strangers.  When you’re traveling with the same people you see everyday without wearing masks, there’s probably not much advantage to wearing masks on a flight.   We don’t even know if the flight was where it spread.

[Strike 5,597]

Just now, TimHauck said:

What was your point?  Plebes are traveling with a bunch of strangers.  When you’re traveling with the same people you see everyday without wearing masks, there’s probably not much advantage to wearing masks on a flight.   We don’t even know if the flight was where it spread.

I don't know about advantage, but the benefit is not looking like you believe there should be one set of rules for plebes and one set of rules for elites.  That's kind of the entire basis of our country, you know the whole all people created equal stuff.......And this is all especially true when not only does a significant percentage of your group get the disease but you meet with a bunch of people in Washington and give it to them too.  Is this really that hard to understand?  Is your middle name Pelosi?

[TimHauck 2,929]

32 minutes ago, Strike said:

Wrong again.  There are people with natural immunity.    Your number is just blowing smoke, like most of your assertions.

Not really.  We’re at ~600k right now with most reasonable estimates being around 30% were infected.  The first year probably took out some of the most vulnerable, but without a vaccine we’d probably be looking at around 1 million dead over 2 years.

[Strike 5,597]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Not really.  We’re at ~600k right now with most reasonable estimates being around 30% were infected.  The first year probably took out some of the most vulnerable, but without a vaccine we’d probably be looking at around 1 million dead over 2 years.

Bullsh*t.  You can't simply extrapolate the numbers since this all began and say that's how many would get sick or die.  Our understanding and treatment of this disease have progressed light years since the disease came out.  We're not just throwing everyone on a ventilator any more.  Quit making sh*t up.

[TimHauck 2,929]

52 minutes ago, Strike said:

Bullsh*t.  You can't simply extrapolate the numbers since this all began and say that's how many would get sick or die.  Our understanding and treatment of this disease have progressed light years since the disease came out.  We're not just throwing everyone on a ventilator any more.  Quit making sh*t up.

Well for one I said "around" 1 million, and it was an estimate in a hypothetical scenario (no vaccine) which by definition is making sh*t up, but I stand by it.   How do you explain that we hit our peak in deaths in mid-January 2021, about a year after "the disease came out"?

Again, we're at ~600k dead right now.   You admitted yourself that it should've been expected to see rising cases when everything opened back up (I agree, one can certainly argue that the tradeoff of lockdowns probably isn't worth it, but it's silly to think they didn't help slow down cases).   Most likely opening back up was going to happen by now with or without a vaccine though, so considering last fall/winter was the overall peak in deaths, it's not unreasonable to think that we'd see another spike this fall/winter.   And despite Timmy's idiocy, it's actually looking like the Delta variant may be more harmful, not less (not saying that would lead to more deaths than last year, but if all else equal we would've seen less deaths this year, with no vaccine, Delta may have meant we saw a similar amount as last year).

[TK0001 99]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

One reason to get to get it is to reduce the risk of spreading it to someone who is at greater risk of dying (parents, grandparents, etc.). 

If they are higher risk, they should get the vaccine. I am not responsible for someone else's health choices. This is a dumb take. 

 

[DonS 3,292]

28 minutes ago, TK0001 said:

If they are higher risk, they should get the vaccine. I am not responsible for someone else's health choices. This is a dumb take. 

 

This x1000.  Anyone that wants a vaccine can get one.  Their body their choice. 

[Strike 5,597]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

The tweet said private non-commercial flights were exempt.

Possible they got the J&J (like the Yankees situation), which is less effective at preventing intention.

If I'm not mistaken she was on a charter, not a private non-commercial flight.

https://nbaa.org/aircraft-operations/safety/coronavirus/covid-19-point-of-impact/cdc-transportation-mask-mandate-applies-to-charter-fbos/

[TimHauck 2,929]

41 minutes ago, TK0001 said:

If they are higher risk, they should get the vaccine. I am not responsible for someone else's health choices. This is a dumb take. 

 

I agree.  But in the very next sentence I explained that a vaccinated 80 year old is at a greater risk of dying of covid than an unvaccinated 30 year old, even with a 95% effective vaccine.

And I didn’t say that meant you “had to” or even really that you “should,” just that it was a reason to.

But I guess that’s another contradictory argument I can add to my prior list: “why should I get the vaccine to protect others if the vaccine protects them?...but also the vaccine doesn’t work!” (Not saying you are making that argument TK).

[TK0001 99]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I agree.  But in the very next sentence I explained that a vaccinated 80 year old is at a greater risk of dying of covid than an unvaccinated 30 year old, even with a 95% effective vaccine.

And I didn’t say that meant you “had to” or even really that you “should,” just that it was a reason to.

But I guess that’s another contradictory argument I can add to my prior list: “why should I get the vaccine to protect others if the vaccine protects them?...but also the vaccine doesn’t work!” (Not saying you are making that argument TK).

Alright, nothing you've said here has given me any compelling reason whatsoever to get the vaccine. I'm going to stand pat.

If it spreads like wildfire in the winter again and people drop dead at a much higher rate than they are now, then I might be on board. 

[TimHauck 2,929]

3 hours ago, lod001 said:

 You're pathetic. So ZERO cases and then magically many cases of dead young people.....or maybe this happened to a single person and she blew it up into 'many'. You don't even know when she was referring to but the stats show she's full of bullshit. If you go look at this in a month you will be wrong as you always are.

No, I'm laughing that the little worm is saying to wear a mask after claiming the jab works.

 

She clearly seemed to be referring to a recent increase in cases.  But yeah she’s likely talking about 1 maybe 2 instances in terms of the ones that died.  Kinda like how you post stories about the 3 or 4 people in the country where the vaccine may have actually been linked to their deaths.

[TimHauck 2,929]

8 minutes ago, TK0001 said:

Alright, nothing you've said here has given me any compelling reason whatsoever to get the vaccine. I'm going to stand pat.

If it spreads like wildfire in the winter again and people drop dead at a much higher rate than they are now, then I might be on board. 

That’s fine, I wasn’t really trying to convince you. Just saying it could be a reason for young healthy people to get it.

But even going back to your own personal risk and the 0.8% number that you brought up (which may even be on the high side).  If you’re accepting of that risk which is fine, that’s basically like if you go to a college football game with 100k people there, and knowing that 800 of them are going to die that day.

 

 

 

 

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,364]

Deandre hopkins might retire rather than being forced to take the vaccine

[Fireballer 2,643]

26 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Deandre hopkins might retire rather than being forced to take the vaccine

Fukin Trumper anti-vaxxers!

[lod001 1,344]

keeps getting worse.

 

[shorepatrol 1,871]

Lock it down again. Fire everyone that doesn't get the vaccine. Refuse medical attention to anyone not vaccinated. Pass a 15 trillion dollar covid bill. 

[TK0001 99]

4 hours ago, TimHauck said:

That’s fine, I wasn’t really trying to convince you. Just saying it could be a reason for young healthy people to get it.

But even going back to your own personal risk and the 0.8% number that you brought up (which may even be on the high side).  If you’re accepting of that risk which is fine, that’s basically like if you go to a college football game with 100k people there, and knowing that 800 of them are going to die that day.

 

 

 

 

 

Of course you know that's crap. People don't just randomly drop dead from COVID. Those who are higher risk know the risks and can choose to get the vaccine. It's freedom to choose to do with one's life as they want. They can also smoke cigarettes and down a gallon of vodka a night with a diet consisting of Big Macs and no one cares. 

[TimHauck 2,929]

8 hours ago, lod001 said:

Jabs working as I expected.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/10/21-1427_article

15/25 double jabbed got covid. That's well under the BS of 95%. They know this. That is why the change to 'its meant to lessen the effects". Once again, that is not the definition of a vaccine. That's a treatment at best. Kinda like....Ivermectin. 

0 of the 6 who had covid previously were reinfected. Of course those of us with a brain know that they won't get it twice.

Zero hospitalizations despite 18 having high risk for severe covid due to HBP, diabetes or obesity. 

Oh and the suspected index case patient was unvaccinated and not previously infected.

[TimHauck 2,929]

3 hours ago, lod001 said:

keeps getting worse.

 

 

 

Nonetheless, the same data still shows effectiveness against severe covid at 91% (with a confidence interval that's not as wide as the one against infection).

 

Have you purchased all of Berenson's pamphlet's, signed up for his premium substack, and pre-ordered his $30 book yet?

[TimHauck 2,929]

1 hour ago, TK0001 said:

Of course you know that's crap. People don't just randomly drop dead from COVID. Those who are higher risk know the risks and can choose to get the vaccine. It's freedom to choose to do with one's life as they want. They can also smoke cigarettes and down a gallon of vodka a night with a diet consisting of Big Macs and no one cares. 

Funny you bring up cigarettes.  I was reading some conversation where people were suggesting the unvaccinated be charged higher health & life insurance premiums, as is done with smokers.  Is that an infringement on freedom?   Particularly once the vaccines get full FDA approval, I think that makes sense as long as covid is still out there.

[Utilit99 4,099]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Funny you bring up cigarettes.  I was reading some conversation where people were suggesting the unvaccinated be charged higher health & life insurance premiums, as is done with smokers.  Is that an infringement on freedom?   Particularly once the vaccines get full FDA approval, I think that makes sense as long as covid is still out there.

Yeah sure. And people who drink alcohol or go on fad diets or have gay sex in the ass or eat bacon or don't exercise or don't give their kids A.D.D. meds or speed on the road or smoke pot or drink coke or eat cookies or mountain bike or don't save for the future or have kids they can't afford or have one night stands or are unkempt in their home or skateboard or take ibuprofen or have ever gotten into a fight or eat ice cream or jog too much or overwork or work with power tools or live in dangerous cities or don't wipe their butts enough after pooping or whatever.....

Everyone should be charged higher health and life insurance. That's a great solution.    

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

13 hours ago, Strike said:

If I'm not mistaken she was on a charter, not a private non-commercial flight.

https://nbaa.org/aircraft-operations/safety/coronavirus/covid-19-point-of-impact/cdc-transportation-mask-mandate-applies-to-charter-fbos/

That woman is pure stupid. Come on Texas, first Beto now this dope? 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

7 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 

 

Nonetheless, the same data still shows effectiveness against severe covid at 91% (with a confidence interval that's not as wide as the one against infection).

What data did you provide that has a reference for your 91%?  All looks made up to me. 

[lod001 1,344]

15 hours ago, Strike said:

Bullsh*t.  You can't simply extrapolate the numbers since this all began and say that's how many would get sick or die.  Our understanding and treatment of this disease have progressed light years since the disease came out.  We're not just throwing everyone on a ventilator any more.  Quit making sh*t up.

He's the king of making sh1t up. The 600K is COMPLETE BS. All you have to do is take Alemeda county lies on covid deaths and extrapolate that across the board. tha't the MAX deaths. ....just like he has been extrapolating data to fit his agenda. Yeah, 600k have died, but not from covid.

[lod001 1,344]

14 hours ago, TimHauck said:

She clearly seemed to be referring to a recent increase in cases.  But yeah she’s likely talking about 1 maybe 2 instances in terms of the ones that died.  Kinda like how you post stories about the 3 or 4 people in the country where the vaccine may have actually been linked to their deaths.

10000+ already buddy and those are just the ones that made it thru VAERS.

[lod001 1,344]

7 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 

 

Nonetheless, the same data still shows effectiveness against severe covid at 91% (with a confidence interval that's not as wide as the one against infection).

 

Have you purchased all of Berenson's pamphlet's, signed up for his premium substack, and pre-ordered his $30 book yet?

Have you bought your fauci doll and jack off to it nightly?

I'll provide a Dr. as source as well:

 

[lod001 1,344]

pretty soon I won't be able to post the 'vax' failures as fast as they pour in.

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2021/07/23/42-people-quarantined-amid-covid-19-outbreak-at-san-antonio-assisted-living-facility-officials-confirm/

CNN lie: and busted.

 

[NorthernVike 2,087]

The scare tactics aren't working any more.  Time for a war.   

[TimHauck 2,929]

50 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

What data did you provide that has a reference for your 91%?  All looks made up to me. 

It was even in Berenson's screenshot - "However, the effectiveness of the vaccine in preventing severe coronavirus disease in Israel is currently estimated at 91.4%, and in preventing COVID-19 hospitalization at 88%"

Nice try though.

[TimHauck 2,929]

29 minutes ago, lod001 said:

pretty soon I won't be able to post the 'vax' failures as fast as they pour in.

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2021/07/23/42-people-quarantined-amid-covid-19-outbreak-at-san-antonio-assisted-living-facility-officials-confirm/

CNN lie: and busted.

 

I take this as a yes you do have all the pamphlets and have preordered his book?

[TimHauck 2,929]

30 minutes ago, lod001 said:

pretty soon I won't be able to post the 'vax' failures as fast as they pour in.

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2021/07/23/42-people-quarantined-amid-covid-19-outbreak-at-san-antonio-assisted-living-facility-officials-confirm/

"The positive cases were reported among 31 residents and 11 staff members last week at Heartis San Antonio Assisted Living and Memory Care on the far North Side.

All 31 residents are fully vaccinated; four staff members are fully vaccinated, three have their first doses and four have not been vaccinated, officials said."

 

 

The source of the infection is most likely one of the non vaccinated staff.  Nursing homes are probably the one employer that should be able to require staff be vaccinated...

 

 

 

 

[TimHauck 2,929]

41 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Have you bought your fauci doll and jack off to it nightly?

I'll provide a Dr. as source as well:

 

Israel has a higher vaccinated % of the population, particularly of the vulnerable population.  Those numbers are in line with ~90% efficacy, as the numbers quoted by Berenson show.

Also I already did the math on the "99%" claim earlier - nationally it checked out at least starting 3/1, maybe even a little later than that.

[NorthernVike 2,087]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

 

 

The source of the infection is most likely one of the non vaccinated staff. 

 

 

 

Link?  or just your opine?  

[TimmySmith 2,782]

18 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

It was even in Berenson's screenshot - "However, the effectiveness of the vaccine in preventing severe coronavirus disease in Israel is currently estimated at 91.4%, and in preventing COVID-19 hospitalization at 88%"

Nice try though.

We all knew you based your nonsense in non-supported twitter screenshots.  Nice of you to admit it. The path to true healing. 

[TimHauck 2,929]

1 minute ago, TimmySmith said:

We all knew you based your nonsense in non-supported twitter screenshots.  Nice of you to admit it. The path to true healing. 

I figured you'd believe it if actually was coming from the king covid minimizer.

But here you go - https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/health-ministry-says-covid-vaccine-is-only-40-effective-at-halting-transmission/

[shorepatrol 1,871]

45 minutes ago, NorthernVike said:

The scare tactics aren't working any more.  Time for a war.   

Yep

 

[TimHauck 2,929]

11 minutes ago, NorthernVike said:

Link?  or just your opine?  

My opinion, hence "most likely."  Do you disagree that's the most likely scenario?  Forget the false claim that the "vaccine doesn't work" for a second, the residents don't go anywhere, so chances are it started with a staff member in general (either vaccinated or not vaccinated).  But since 64% of the staff were not fully vaccinated, chances are it came from an unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated staff member (again this is without even taking into account vaccine efficacy).

[TK0001 99]

8 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Funny you bring up cigarettes.  I was reading some conversation where people were suggesting the unvaccinated be charged higher health & life insurance premiums, as is done with smokers.  Is that an infringement on freedom?   Particularly once the vaccines get full FDA approval, I think that makes sense as long as covid is still out there.

No, that's idiotic.

You are treating COVID as if it's an actual existential threat to humanity, disregarding the fact we have learned how to treat it so much more efficiently since it started, and the death rate has since plummeted even as case rate has spiked and declined several times.

You did hit the nail in the head, though, in regard to FDA approval. If the vaccine gets proper vetting and goes through a rigorous approval process, people would be much more inclined to get it, using the same rationale as getting a yearly flu shot. This is a vaccine approved only under emergency use, and its manufacturers cannot be sued for death or any other horrible side effects that we see happening. All these are, of course, completely ignored by people, presumably like yourself, who insist, with no actual facts to back them up, the vaccine is 100% safe and has been from day one. The lack of research before accepting a non-vetted experimental substance into one's body, and placing all trust in a government that has shown time and time again it has not a care in the world about us inconsequentials, is baffling in its stupidity.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

18 minutes ago, TK0001 said:

The lack of research before accepting a non-vetted experimental substance into one's body, and placing all trust in a government that has shown time and time again it has not a care in the world about us inconsequentials, is baffling in its stupidity.

It's many things, baffling isn't one of them.  The people behind this aren't hiding their agenda.  The are trying to re-right their ship after the 4 year storm they just endured. 

[TK0001 99]

Just now, TimmySmith said:

It's many things, baffling isn't one of them.  The people behind this aren't hiding their agenda.  The are trying to re-right their ship after the 4 year storm they just endured. 

In case I wasn't clear, what is baffling is people running out and begging to have this stuff pumped into them without a hint of pause to think about consequences.