Coronavirus - Doomsday

[TimHauck 2,922]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Link to where I said anything about suicides?  Never mind.  It's clear you don't care about the truth.

I'm sorry.   What's the truth?

[drobeski 3,061]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Do you have any data on suicides or just conjecture?

What if he multiplied his data by 40 times to prove himself right ? Would you believe it then ?

[TimHauck 2,922]

8 minutes ago, Strike said:

This is inaccurate because it assumes any increase in deaths compared to prior years is from Covid.  That is why using total deaths is not a good metric.

I think this chart that I posted earlier (a couple weeks old at this point) displayed it best:

The prior 6 years all followed very similar trends.    This year has been above the average since March with the spikes perfectly corresponding to the spikes in covid deaths.    

[TimmySmith 2,782]

13 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

That's why total deaths of all causes is the best stat to look at.    And it's up 300k

And yet, in the coming years, when deaths are WAY down in comparison to previous years for heart disease, stroke, diabetes, etc, no one will question it.  

[lod001 1,344]

15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

That's why total deaths of all causes is the best stat to look at.    And it's up 300k

Motorcycle accident death. He had covid, he gets a covid toe tag. See how easy it is to get to 300k. Watch the video I posted.

[Strike 5,594]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I think this chart that I posted earlier (a couple weeks old at this point) displayed it best:

The prior 6 years all followed very similar trends.    This year has been above the average since March with the spikes perfectly corresponding to the spikes in covid deaths.    

Whatever dude.  You're gonna believe what you're gonna believe, and you're entitled to do so.  Just remember to wear your mask to keep us all safe, especially when you're driving your car by yourself.  Like Lebron:

 

[lod001 1,344]

Just now, Strike said:

Whatever dude.  You're gonna believe what you're gonna believe, and you're entitled to do so.  Just remember to wear your mask to keep us all safe, especially when you're driving your car by yourself.  Like Lebron:

 

he's wearing a mask driving by himself. That focktard is about as dumb as they come.

[TimHauck 2,922]

 

 

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

Whatever dude.  You're gonna believe what you're gonna believe, and you're entitled to do so.  Just remember to wear your mask to keep us all safe, especially when you're driving your car by yourself.  Like Lebron:

 

So I take that as a no you're not going post any reasoning?

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

Just now, Strike said:

Whatever dude.  You're gonna believe what you're gonna believe, and you're entitled to do so. 

This is just about everyone.  They believe what they want to believe.  They watch news networks that support what they want to believe.  They read articles about what they want to believe.  It doesn't matter if they are a conservative or liberal, they're doing the same thing.

[TimHauck 2,922]

12 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Motorcycle accident death. He had covid, he gets a covid toe tag. See how easy it is to get to 300k. Watch the video I posted.

You don't get it.  I'm not talking 300k "covid" deaths.  I'm talking 300k more TOTAL deaths than last year, when the highest growth in the past 6 years was 86k.   Or are you claiming 300k more people died in motorcycle accidents this year?
 

[Strike 5,594]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

This is just about everyone.  They believe what they want to believe.  They watch news networks that support what they want to believe.  They read articles about what they want to believe.  It doesn't matter if they are a conservative or liberal, they're doing the same thing.

Intelligent people seek out information, analyze that information, and then form an opinion.  When someone says that looking at the total of ALL deaths in the country compared to previous years PROVES all the deaths above previous years are Covid, I know they aren't doing an intelligent analysis.  Sorry, that's just laziness.

[TimHauck 2,922]

11 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

And yet, in the coming years, when deaths are WAY down in comparison to previous years for heart disease, stroke, diabetes, etc, no one will question it.  

This is possible and will certainly be worth looking at.   Personally I'm mostly only concerned about next year though, since it doesn't seem fair to say "well he would have died 2 years from now."  2 years is a long time.

[TimHauck 2,922]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Intelligent people seek out information, analyze that information, and then form an opinion.  When someone says that looking at the total of ALL deaths in the country compared to previous years PROVES all the deaths above previous years are Covid, I know they aren't doing an intelligent analysis.  Sorry, that's just laziness.

Not all of them, but a majority.   Please, share what you think the increase is from.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Intelligent people seek out information, analyze that information, and then form an opinion.  When someone says that looking at the total of ALL deaths in the country compared to previous years PROVES all the deaths above previous years are Covid, I know they aren't doing an intelligent analysis.  Sorry, that's just laziness.

Of course it doesn't prove anything, but it's a pretty solid theory, isn't it?  Its sure more plausible than 300K people died from other causes.

[edjr 6,608]

WE NEED VENTILATORS!!! 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

They way I see it is you got the brainless on both sides...

a) All 300K people surely died of Covid

b) The Covid deaths are fake

And then you got the truth in the middle.  Are there some covid deaths counted that were actually from other deaths?  Of course.  Are there people who would have died anyway?  Sure.  So what's the real count, it's probably much closer to 300K than 0.  But in the end, who really cares, how many died, it's just a number.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

Intelligent people seek out information, analyze that information, and then form an opinion.  When someone says that looking at the total of ALL deaths in the country compared to previous years PROVES all the deaths above previous years are Covid, I know they aren't doing an intelligent analysis.  Sorry, that's just laziness.

Do you think the general population does that?  People who watch CNN or Fox News as their main source of news are probably not the type who go out of their way to analyze info.

[Strike 5,594]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Of course it doesn't prove anything, but it's a pretty solid theory, isn't it?  Its sure more plausible than 300K people died from other causes.

Or maybe some died from Covid and some died from other causes.  The theory seems to be that Covid is new this year; therefore it is responsible for any deaths above previous years.  But Covid is not the only thing unique to 2020 contributing to higher deaths.  Therefore, it's lazy logic to conclude that Covid should get all the "credit."  Some people, due to their biases, are fine with attributing all those deaths to Covid.  Some of us are not.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Or maybe some died from Covid and some died from other causes.  The theory seems to be that Covid is new this year; therefore it is responsible for any deaths above previous years.  But Covid is not the only thing unique to 2020 contributing to higher deaths.  Therefore, it's lazy logic to conclude that Covid should get all the "credit."  Some people, due to their biases, are fine with attributing all those deaths to Covid.  Some of us are not.

Of course "All" is wrong, because there will be variations in all causes of death.  But it's not zero, right?  Of the 300K reported dead, how many do you really think are attributable to covid?

[drobeski 3,061]

3 minutes ago, edjr said:

WE NEED VENTILATORS!!! 

Yep... that stopped when the realized people were onto the kill them with them scheme. 

Bam! Off the radar!

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

Just now, Strike said:

I think you and Tim do that, and you're the ones I'm talking to at the moment. 

  I don't watch any news on TV.  I've made the mistake of sharing info that was shared by others and thinking it could be accurate but I do not get any news from watching CNN or Fox News.

[Strike 5,594]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Of course "All" is wrong, because there will be variations in all causes of death.  But it's not zero, right?  Of the 300K reported dead, how many do you really think are attributable to covid?

I have no idea.  But I don't think anyone should be saying it's all, or almost all, of the additional deaths this year. 

[lod001 1,344]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You don't get it.  I'm not talking 300k "covid" deaths.  I'm talking 300k more TOTAL deaths than last year, when the highest growth in the past 6 years was 86k.   Or are you claiming 300k more people died in motorcycle accidents this year?
 

Meh. https://theconversation.com/279-700-extra-deaths-in-the-us-so-far-in-this-pandemic-year-147887 

In fact, the number of excess deaths in the U.S. currently exceeds the number attributable to COVID-19 by at least 23,674 and likely up to 79,201.

Sure Covid is finishing off some fatties early but it's not 100% responsible for an uptick this year. It's a bad flu and if you are of a certain biological makeup, you will want to find a doc that prescribes HCQ + Zinc + Azith.

 

 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

I have no idea.  But I don't think anyone should be saying it's all, or almost all, of the additional deaths this year. 

What words are you OK with?  Most? Many?  A sh!t ton?

[Strike 5,594]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

What words are you OK with?  Most? Many?  A sh!t ton?

Some. 

[drobeski 3,061]

Hows the flu this year? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

20 minutes ago, lod001 said:

he's wearing a mask driving by himself. That focktard is about as dumb as they come.

That’s because he had the top down silly. The other cars might have had their windows down and the virus could fly into his mouth and nose from them.  Science. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

Some. 

[Fireballer 2,643]

11 minutes ago, drobeski said:

Hows the flu this year? 

Hospitalizations are so low that the CDC can't track trends.

[Cdub100 3,934]

29 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Meh. https://theconversation.com/279-700-extra-deaths-in-the-us-so-far-in-this-pandemic-year-147887 

In fact, the number of excess deaths in the U.S. currently exceeds the number attributable to COVID-19 by at least 23,674 and likely up to 79,201.

Sure Covid is finishing off some fatties early but it's not 100% responsible for an uptick this year. It's a bad flu and if you are of a certain biological makeup, you will want to find a doc that prescribes HCQ + Zinc + Azith.

 

 

Shhhh there's no money or political points from a generic drug. 

[Cdub100 3,934]

15 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Hospitalizations are so low that the CDC can't track trends.

See mask work!

Just don't look at COVID infections.

[drobeski 3,061]

20 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Shhhh there's no money or political points from a generic drug. 

 trust Fauci!

[nobody 2,692]

1 hour ago, lod001 said:

Motorcycle accident death. He had covid, he gets a covid toe tag. See how easy it is to get to 300k. Watch the video I posted.

That's a zero sum game though.  That chart is total deaths.  If you took motorcycle accident deaths and put them in the covid pile, you should still have the same number of total deaths.

[nobody 2,692]

I like these arguments if you want to deny downplay the impact of COVID.

1. Deaths next year will be down
2. You don't know how many excess deaths are due to suicides (note: this one will likely get beat up pretty quickly since I'm sure that number is out there somewhere)
3. Long term economic toll will have a negative effect on life expectancy, so cumulative total of days of life lost from a shutdown is worse (haven't heard this one, but if people can make bullsh¡t covid models, you can make up some bullsh¡t model to support this too).  The idea would be that 330 million people losing 3 months of life is worse than 1 million people losing 2 years of life.

[Cdub100 3,934]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

I like these arguments if you want to deny covid.

1. Deaths next year will be down
2. You don't know how many excess deaths are due to suicides (note: this one will likely get beat up pretty quickly since I'm sure that number is out there somewhere)
3. Long term economic toll will have a negative effect on life expectancy, so cumulative total of days of life lost from a shutdown is worse (haven't heard this one, but if people can make bullsh¡t covid models, you can make up some bullsh¡t model to support this too)

I don't think anybody is denying covid.

[nobody 2,692]

Just now, Cdub100 said:

I don't think anybody is denying covid.

Downplay the impact of COVID sit better with you?

[Cdub100 3,934]

Just now, nobody said:

Downplay the impact of COVID sit better with you?

Yes it does.

[drobeski 3,061]

11 minutes ago, nobody said:

Downplay the impact of COVID sit better with you?

How about not over playing it? Play it in reality,  play it in the middle.. Protect the vulnerable,  if you're vulnerable protect yourself,  and let the rest of the people live their focking normal lives. 

How about that for fock sakes ?

[Strike 5,594]

16 minutes ago, nobody said:

I like these arguments if you want to deny downplay the impact of COVID.

1. Deaths next year will be down
2. You don't know how many excess deaths are due to suicides (note: this one will likely get beat up pretty quickly since I'm sure that number is out there somewhere)
3. Long term economic toll will have a negative effect on life expectancy, so cumulative total of days of life lost from a shutdown is worse (haven't heard this one, but if people can make bullsh¡t covid models, you can make up some bullsh¡t model to support this too).  The idea would be that 330 million people losing 3 months of life is worse than 1 million people losing 2 years of life.

There are other things that could be causing excess deaths besides Covid and Suicide.  HTH.

[nobody 2,692]

1 minute ago, drobeski said:

How about not over playing it? Play it in reality,  play it in the middle.. Protect the vulnerable,  if you're vulnerable protect yourself,  and let the rest of the people live their focking life. 

How about that for fock sakes ?

I'm on your side here.  I want stuff open.  We just need better arguments as a team.