Coronavirus - Doomsday

[nobody 2,692]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What’s the accuracy rate of the tests? 

False negatives — that is, a test that says you don’t have the virus when you actually do have the virus — may occur. The reported rate of false negatives is as low as 2% and as high as 37%. The false positive rate — that is, how often the test says you have the virus when you actually do not — should be close to zero. Most false-positive results are thought to be due to lab contamination or other problems with how the lab has performed the test, not limitations of the test itself.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/which-test-is-best-for-covid-19-2020081020734

[drobeski 3,061]

10 minutes ago, nobody said:

False negatives — that is, a test that says you don’t have the virus when you actually do have the virus — may occur. The reported rate of false negatives is as low as 2% and as high as 37%. The false positive rate — that is, how often the test says you have the virus when you actually do not — should be close to zero. Most false-positive results are thought to be due to lab contamination or other problems with how the lab has performed the test, not limitations of the test itself.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/which-test-is-best-for-covid-19-2020081020734

Nope, your blog guy is full of . 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

19 minutes ago, nobody said:

False negatives — that is, a test that says you don’t have the virus when you actually do have the virus — may occur. The reported rate of false negatives is as low as 2% and as high as 37%. The false positive rate — that is, how often the test says you have the virus when you actually do not — should be close to zero. Most false-positive results are thought to be due to lab contamination or other problems with how the lab has performed the test, not limitations of the test itself.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/which-test-is-best-for-covid-19-2020081020734

Close to zero? Adam Thielen didn’t play two weeks ago because  he took four tests. 2 positive, 2 negative. Anecdotal? Maybe. If there weren’t many many more documented cases of it occurring.  Ask Elon Musk, noted right wing kook. Same thing happened to him. They can ignore if they want, but they shouldn’t think for a minute they are being objective about this. 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

My sister-in-law felt like crap for two weeks and swore she had it because her fiancé was positive.  She got tested 4 times and it came back negative every time.  She even lost her sense of smell and taste for a few days.  My wife's uncle also felt like crap for a couple weeks and got test 4 times.  All came back negative except for the last one.  What's odd is that he was finally feeling better when he tested positive.

I've heard other strange stories like that as well and it makes it hard to trust the numbers that get published.  I have no idea how many people were actually positive for COVID and how many weren't. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

My sister-in-law felt like crap for two weeks and swore she had it because her fiancé was positive.  She got tested 4 times and it came back negative every time.  She even lost her sense of smell and taste for a few days.  My wife's uncle also felt like crap for a couple weeks and got test 4 times.  All came back negative except for the last one.  What's odd is that he was finally feeling better when he tested positive.

I've heard other strange stories like that as well and it makes it hard to trust the numbers that get published.  I have no idea how many people were actually positive for COVID and how many weren't. 

No one does. Yet it’s the basis of all analysis, not to be questioned. 

[lod001 1,344]

21 hours ago, TimHauck said:

That's why total deaths of all causes is the best stat to look at.    And it's up 300k

or maybe it isn't. From Johns-hopkins newsletter.

https://web.archive.org/web/20201126163323/https:/www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long before COVID-19 emerged. Therefore, according to Briand, not only has COVID-19 had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people, but it has also not increased the total number of deaths. 

These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.

This comes as a shock to many people. How is it that the data lie so far from our perception? 

You lose.

[nobody 2,692]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Close to zero? Adam Thielen didn’t play two weeks ago because  he took four tests. 2 positive, 2 negative. Anecdotal? Maybe. If there weren’t many many more documented cases of it occurring.  Ask Elon Musk, noted right wing kook. Same thing happened to him. They can ignore if they want, but they shouldn’t think for a minute they are being objective about this. 

I believe they're talking about the PCR tests.  I think the quick tests that have come up are trash.  Every test type will have different accuracy, of course.  I just saw you ask that question 5 or so times and was trying to let you make your point that the accuracy is trash.

[drobeski 3,061]

5 minutes ago, lod001 said:

or maybe it isn't. From Johns-hopkins newsletter.

https://web.archive.org/web/20201126163323/https:/www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long before COVID-19 emerged. Therefore, according to Briand, not only has COVID-19 had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people, but it has also not increased the total number of deaths. 

These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.

This comes as a shock to many people. How is it that the data lie so far from our perception? 

You lose.

Dude, that didn't fit the narrative nor the agenda.. they discredited that quickly.  I think they said the author might have been an alcoholic and/or a Trump supporter. That's how discretitable she was. 

[nobody 2,692]

10 minutes ago, lod001 said:

or maybe it isn't. From Johns-hopkins newsletter.

https://web.archive.org/web/20201126163323/https:/www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long before COVID-19 emerged. Therefore, according to Briand, not only has COVID-19 had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people, but it has also not increased the total number of deaths. 

These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.

This comes as a shock to many people. How is it that the data lie so far from our perception? 

You lose.

I think most people on our team even think this analysis is trash.  And again, I would happily trade all of your lives to open the economy, so I'd prefer it if this analysis wasn't garbage since it would help in that effort, but we're the group that thinks critically and doesn't just take things blindly.  That comes at a cost sometimes.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

10 minutes ago, nobody said:

I believe they're talking about the PCR tests.  I think the quick tests that have come up are trash.  Every test type will have different accuracy, of course.  I just saw you ask that question 5 or so times and was trying to let you make your point that the accuracy is trash.

I know. Thanks.  That’s why I changed it to a reply to them and not you. 

[TimHauck 2,920]

22 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No one does. Yet it’s the basis of all analysis, not to be questioned. 

I already said there is an issue with the tests and the number of “cases.”  I agree, cases should not be the basis of analysis, deaths and hospitalizations should be.

[TimHauck 2,920]

22 minutes ago, lod001 said:

or maybe it isn't. From Johns-hopkins newsletter.

https://web.archive.org/web/20201126163323/https:/www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long before COVID-19 emerged. Therefore, according to Briand, not only has COVID-19 had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people, but it has also not increased the total number of deaths. 

These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.

This comes as a shock to many people. How is it that the data lie so far from our perception? 

You lose.

Lol now you’re just trolling.  That “analysis” has already been shredded to pieces, keep up. 

[drobeski 3,061]

18 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Lol now you’re just trolling.  That “analysis” has already been shredded to pieces, keep up. 

Told ya lol..

 Ofcourse it has. It had to be....quickly. 

[TimHauck 2,920]

3 minutes ago, drobeski said:

Told ya lol..

 Ofcourse it has. It had to be....quickly. 

It wasn't very hard.  Just look at the snippet you posted:

Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long before COVID-19 emerged

So a variation of 20k PER WEEK is "normal"?   Help me out here, take half of that (10k) and multiply by any number 25 or greater, what do you get? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

25 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I already said there is an issue with the tests and the number of “cases.”  I agree, cases should not be the basis of analysis, deaths and hospitalizations should be.

So if the test isn’t accurate, how can you be sure that they all had it? 

[KSB2424 3,148]

I feel like people have no idea about Operation Warp Speed where the Trump Federal government was instrumental in coordinating with the private sector to get these vaccines found and rolled out in record time.  

https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/explaining-operation-warp-speed/index.html

 

 

[drobeski 3,061]

51 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I already said there is an issue with the tests and the number of “cases.”  I agree, cases should not be the basis of analysis, deaths and hospitalizations should be.

But how can you accurately calculate deaths is the test is not reliable? 

[TimHauck 2,920]

19 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So if the test isn’t accurate, how can you be sure that they all had it? 

My understanding was that the issue with the tests is more about the fact that it detects very small amounts of virus.   So it's not really a matter of the person never having it, it's just that they didn't have enough of it to either be infectious or show symptoms, so it's arguable that they should be considered a "case."      That's not an issue for the people sick enough to die from it.

[listen2me 23 1,874]

Its almost mid December.

I dont know and havent heard of anyone in my world having the flu.  Honestly.  Zero.

The masks be working.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

My understanding was that the issue with the tests is more about the fact that it detects very small amounts of virus.   So it's not really a matter of the person never having it, it's just that they didn't have enough of it to either be infectious or show symptoms, so it's arguable that they should be considered a "case."      That's not an issue for the people sick enough to die from it.

So if it’s a tiny amount they don’t count it as a cause of death? 

[KSB2424 3,148]

53 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

I feel like people have no idea about Operation Warp Speed where the Trump Federal government was instrumental in coordinating with the private sector to get these vaccines found and rolled out in record time.  

https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/explaining-operation-warp-speed/index.html

 

 

Pfizer:  US corporation HQ in NY

Johnson & Johnson:  US corporation HQ in NJ

Moderma:  US corporation HQ in Massachusetts

U.S. Federal Gov't working with these and more to figure out a vaccine and start rolling it out in record time.  

'Merica Fock Yeah!   

 

[edjr 6,608]

1 minute ago, KSB2424 said:

Pfizer:  US corporation HQ in NY

Johnson & Johnson:  US corporation HQ in NJ

Moderma:  US corporation HQ in Massachusetts

U.S. Federal Gov't working with these and more to figure out a vaccine and start rolling it out in record time.  

'Merica Fock Yeah!   

 

I had 20k pfizer stock in September. I sold it in November   I am the worst, most impatient investor ever,.

[tanatastic 2,062]

A monkey with Tarot cards is as effective as a covid test.

[drobeski 3,061]

Just now, edjr said:

I had 20k pfizer stock in September. I sold it in November   I am the worst, most impatient investor ever,.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

I had 20k pfizer stock in September. I sold it in November   I am the worst, most impatient investor ever,.

Unless there are issues. Let a few black people have problems, seeing as they are going first. 

[Fireballer 2,643]

51 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Its almost mid December.

I dont know and havent heard of anyone in my world having the flu.  Honestly.  Zero.

The masks be working.

Its all presumed to be Covid

[JustinCharge 2,397]

My phone just got an emergency alert.  Everyone must stay home except where absolutely necessary.  Heading out for a bit.  Be back later.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Just now, JustinCharge said:

My phone just got an emergency alert.  Everyone must stay home except where absolutely necessary.  Heading out for a bit.  Be back later.

What the fock?  Why are you heading out after being told to stay home?

Hey, Don't give me $1,000.

[drobeski 3,061]

Just now, JustinCharge said:

My phone just got an emergency alert.  Everyone must stay home except where absolutely necessary.  Heading out for a bit.  Be back later.

Omg godspeed be careful out there. Noses running around like crazy. T & Ps

[nobody 2,692]

1 hour ago, KSB2424 said:

I feel like people have no idea about Operation Warp Speed where the Trump Federal government was instrumental in coordinating with the private sector to get these vaccines found and rolled out in record time.  

https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/explaining-operation-warp-speed/index.html

 

 

One of Trump's many great accomplishments that will be ignored.

[nobody 2,692]

21 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

What the fock?  Why are you heading out after being told to stay home?

Hey, Don't give me $1,000.

I got the same thing as I was heading to lunch.  If Gavin does it, well, I still won't do it.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

I got the same thing as I was heading to lunch.  If Gavin does it, well, I still won't do it.

What's for lunch?  Shrimp pasta?

[nobody 2,692]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

What's for lunch?  Shrimp pasta?

Boycott still in effect for that place. 

Probably going with a sandwich... Chicken parm with ground turkey and egg whites with a little marinara sauce.

[OldMaid 2,130]

9 minutes ago, nobody said:

I got the same thing as I was heading to lunch.  If Gavin does it, well, I still won't do it.

Me too. What I don’t understand... if we’re supposed to be staying home, except for essentials, why the fock is the mall still open?

[GutterBoy 2,899]

7 minutes ago, nobody said:

Boycott still in effect for that place. 

Probably going with a sandwich... Chicken parm with ground turkey and egg whites with a little marinara sauce.

Seriously?  That sounds like the most awful sandwich I've ever heard of.  Can you also top with some sauteed foreskin in a motor oil reduction?

[GutterBoy 2,899]

3 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

Me too. What I don’t understand... if we’re supposed to be staying home, except for essentials, why the fock is the mall still open?

If you look at my credit card statements it's obvious that Lush is focking essential.

[nobody 2,692]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Seriously?  That sounds like the most awful sandwich I've ever heard of.  Can you also top with some sauteed foreskin in a motor oil reduction?

It also has prosciutto.

[OldMaid 2,130]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

If you look at my credit card statements it's obvious that Lush is focking essential.

I always knew there was something off about you.

https://www.pedestrian.tv/style/lush-valentines-day/

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

It also has prosciutto.

Oh well then Fricker will deep throat that b!tch when you're not looking.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Just now, OldMaid said:

I always knew there was something off about you.

https://www.pedestrian.tv/style/lush-valentines-day/

it's not me, it's the females that live in my house.