Coronavirus - Doomsday

[tanatastic 2,062]

Hospitals make more money when they can treat the hypochondriacs that come in with a cough wanting to be part of the pandemic.  They are dumb if they don’t. If you owned a convenience store would you tell someone they didn’t need a snickers and a coke? Tests fail half the time so you get a built in customer base even if they aren’t sick or could just rest and get over it in a few days. If they aren’t sick at all? Well they are just a asymptomatic so they can still be counted as a COVID case for the hospitals funding. They died a month later from a heart attack? That’s a COVID death.  If your dead grandma once knew a man who farted at a bus stop that once had a guy who’s brothers cousin may have had COVID, that’s a COVID death. The real death count is about <10% of what’s been reported. The cdc can back this claim as well.

[5-Points 3,570]

21 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Sorry, I’ll take my medical advice from a doctor. Nobody is fudging the data on the virus. It’s just a head-In-the-sand response from people who find inconvenience of mask as worse than catching the virus,

You should take medical advice from a doctor. 

I'm not giving you medical advice. I'm giving you real world advice. The two are mutually exclusive.

[Fireballer 2,643]

15 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Do you remember Paul Harvey? He said “now you know the rest of the story.”

Here you go:

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/dr-ngozi-ezike-refutes-notion-that-illinois-is-over-counting-covid-19-deaths/2270810/

 

 

NOTHING in this article refutes the video.  People don't wanna see there's a difference in dying "from" Covid and dying "with" Covid.  

[tanatastic 2,062]

If you are Jeff Bezoz why would you ever allow this thing to go away? Stay home and order Amazon, it’s dangerous outside. Few billion here and there should keep those numbers high.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

2 minutes ago, tanatastic said:

If you are Jeff Bezoz why would you ever allow this thing to go away? Stay home and order Amazon, it’s dangerous outside. Few billion here and there should keep those numbers high.

 There is a real possibility we never come out of this lockdown.  for years.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,513]

42 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Also, what is the accuracy rate of the Covid test? 

Crickets. Another one bites the dust. 

[jerryskids 6,838]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

A simple Google search.... everything on the internet is true! Come on, give me a break. You can find millions of lies in Google searches.

USA Today Fact Check:  True

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/

You are throwing the gun on this one.  Just take the L and move on.  

[TimHauck 2,920]

14 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s real. It’s dangerous. The death count is bullshit. Cant make it any simpler.  If you think the death count is legit you’re nuts. 

How do you explain 300k more deaths than last year?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,513]

48 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

How do you explain 300k more deaths than last year?

Wouid need to see a whole lot more about that stat than just that. Yearly fluctuations to start. 

[drobeski 3,061]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

How do you explain 300k more deaths than last year?

Link ? 

[dogcows 1,030]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Wouid need to see a whole lot more about that stat than just that. Yearly fluctuations to start. 

Anything that Trump says, no source needed. Anything contrary to Trump, you need Obama’s long-form birth certificate, signed in blood by 20 doctors.

[Fireballer 2,643]

How many people have died from increased suicide, homicide, inability to get/or refusing proper care for heart disease, cancer, hypertension, renal failure, etc. Peoples health maintanence from lockdowns has been disastrous.  And then they get a positive Covid test when they die, even if they didn't know they had it.  CDC estimates 114 million cases.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,513]

33 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Anything that Trump says, no source needed. Anything contrary to Trump, you need Obama’s long-form birth certificate, signed in blood by 20 doctors.

Who said that? Try and be a little bit honest, ok? 

[dogcows 1,030]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Who said that? Try and be a little bit honest, ok? 

Post after post disputing data from hospitals, the CDC, departments of health, whose job it is to keep track of public health data. Why? Because Trump said the opposite. That’s it. There’s no actual evidence that medical personnel are making things up. Statements like “‘they’re calling every death a covid death” are debunked with a source saying that’s not true and that health officials are working to make sure deaths unrelated to the disease are not a part of the numbers. But the accusations persist.

There is no conspiracy among all the competing newspapers and websites of the world to promote a liberal agenda. And yet it gets repeated ad nauseum as if it’s the gospel truth. Likewise, there is no conspiracy among every doctor on earth to artificially inflate the numbers of this disease. To believe otherwise is to be truly deluded. Paranoia will destroy ya.

[Fireballer 2,643]

Scary how many comments are agreeing with this guy.

 

[Reality 3,121]

 

[tanatastic 2,062]

25 minutes ago, Reality said:

 

Now imagine how much of that is happening world wide with people who arent getting retested by professionals over and over. At this point the tests are worth as much as a fortune teller saying you have it.

[jerryskids 6,838]

3 hours ago, dogcows said:

Post after post disputing data from hospitals, the CDC, departments of health, whose job it is to keep track of public health data. Why? Because Trump said the opposite. That’s it. There’s no actual evidence that medical personnel are making things up. Statements like “‘they’re calling every death a covid death” are debunked with a source saying that’s not true and that health officials are working to make sure deaths unrelated to the disease are not a part of the numbers. But the accusations persist.

There is no conspiracy among all the competing newspapers and websites of the world to promote a liberal agenda. And yet it gets repeated ad nauseum as if it’s the gospel truth. Likewise, there is no conspiracy among every doctor on earth to artificially inflate the numbers of this disease. To believe otherwise is to be truly deluded. Paranoia will destroy ya.

Let me explain why I am a little suspicious.  Fauci and the government medical establishment flat out lied to the American public when they said earlier in the year that not only did we NOT need masks, but that they would do more harm than good.  Now, you might argue that I can’t prove that they lied, and that is technically true.  However, the alternative was that, in the absence of virtually any data about Covid, they were sufficiently convinced of the negatives of masks that they told us not to wear them.  That seems unlikely, since common sense says that masks help at least a little.  Why might they lie?  Well, Occam’s Razor says that they wanted to prevent a run on purchases while they rebuilt a stockpile for medical professionals, first responders, other useful people, and useless bums like politicians.

Were they right in doing so?  That is a discussion for another time.  The point is that there is a compelling argument that they DID lie, and as such that they could do so again.

[TimHauck 2,920]

6 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Wouid need to see a whole lot more about that stat than just that. Yearly fluctuations to start. 

 

5 hours ago, drobeski said:

Link ? 

Death totals from the CDC links.  I calculated change vs. prior year:

2014: 2,626,418 (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr65/nvsr65_04.pdf)

2015: 2,712,630; +86k, +3.3% vs. 2014 (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr66/nvsr66_06.pdf)

2016: 2,744,248; +32k, +1.2% vs. 2015 (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr67/nvsr67_05.pdf)

2017: 2,813,503; +69k, +2.5% vs. 2016 (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_09-508.pdf)

2018: 2,839,205; +26k, +0.9% vs. 2017 (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db355-h.pdf)

2019: 2,852,609, +13k, +0.5% vs. 2018  (https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Weekly-Counts-of-Deaths-by-State-and-Select-Causes/muzy-jte6, weekly data for 2019 & 2020)

2020 thru 11/21 (with the last 2 weeks not being fully updated yet):  2,861,965

 

So, with 5 weeks to go, we already have more total deaths than 2019. 

If you compare the first 45 weeks of 2020 vs. the same time period in 2019, 2020 has seen 315k more deaths, a 12.9% increase (reminder, the lowest % increase over the last 5 years was +3.3%)

Other than the last 2 weeks whose data is not fully updated, the lowest weekly total has been 56,657.   So even if we're super conservative and assume tons of people that would have otherwise died during the last 5 weeks of the year already died this year and miraculously weekly deaths drop to 50,000, (+ another 10k for the most recent week of data which is only at 39k), we're still looking at a total of 3,121,965 deaths, or +269k deaths vs. 2019 and a +9.4% increase.

If we're more realistic but still err on the lower side (since December deaths actually tend to be on the higher side and most of the recent weeks have been 57-58k) and say each of the last 5 weeks will be equal to the lowest weekly total of the year thus far (+ another 16.5k deaths for the most recent week of data), you end up with 3,161,750,  or +299,785 deaths vs. 2019 and 10.5% increase.

[dogcows 1,030]

11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Let me explain why I am a little suspicious.  Fauci and the government medical establishment flat out lied to the American public when they said earlier in the year that not only did we NOT need masks, but that they would do more harm than good.  Now, you might argue that I can’t prove that they lied, and that is technically true.  However, the alternative was that, in the absence of virtually any data about Covid, they were sufficiently convinced of the negatives of masks that they told us not to wear them.  That seems unlikely, since common sense says that masks help at least a little.  Why might they lie?  Well, Occam’s Razor says that they wanted to prevent a run on purchases while they rebuilt a stockpile for medical professionals, first responders, other useful people, and useless bums like politicians.

Were they right in doing so?  That is a discussion for another time.  The point is that there is a compelling argument that they DID lie, and as such that they could do so again.

When the disease first broke out, mask availability was very low, and healthcare workers needed them. So they recommended people stay home, and against everybody wearing a mask. They also weren’t exactly sure how the disease spread because it was a brand new virus... so there was no evidence that masks would definitely be a good preventative. Also, they didn’t know that asymptomatic people could spread it yet, so they thought it was wiser to tell people to take their temperature and stay home if they felt sick.

Scientists are constantly studying and learning. When they got better research on how the disease spread, and that it could spread from seemingly healthy people, and masks became more readily available, they told everybody to wear a mask.

It was not a lie; they simply didn’t know as much about the disease at the start.

[tanatastic 2,062]

NBA player Karl Anthony Towns says he’s had 7 family members die from covid including his mom. Classic case of getting greedy with the fish story. If he said he had a cousin die, ok I’ll buy that, but 7 members lol no. Death rate of maybe 1% makes that statistically highly Improbable.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rich-people-journalists-made-exempt-having-enter-covid-quarantine-uk

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20 minutes ago, tanatastic said:

NBA player Karl Anthony Towns says he’s had 7 family members die from covid including his mom. Classic case of getting greedy with the fish story. If he said he had a cousin die, ok I’ll buy that, but 7 members lol no. Death rate of maybe 1% makes that statistically highly Improbable.

and considering the survival rate according to CDC and WHO is 99.97+ thats even more statistically impossible

 

[jerryskids 6,838]

38 minutes ago, dogcows said:

When the disease first broke out, mask availability was very low, and healthcare workers needed them. So they recommended people stay home, and against everybody wearing a mask. They also weren’t exactly sure how the disease spread because it was a brand new virus... so there was no evidence that masks would definitely be a good preventative. Also, they didn’t know that asymptomatic people could spread it yet, so they thought it was wiser to tell people to take their temperature and stay home if they felt sick.

Scientists are constantly studying and learning. When they got better research on how the disease spread, and that it could spread from seemingly healthy people, and masks became more readily available, they told everybody to wear a mask.

It was not a lie; they simply didn’t know as much about the disease at the start.

Regarding your last sentence, scientists would err on the side of caution in that scenario, which would be to suggest masks.  

The rest of your post mostly seems to agree with me, so thanks I guess.   

[Fireballer 2,643]

Rudy got the Corona

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1335679426516881409?s=20

[Cdub100 3,934]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Let me explain why I am a little suspicious.  Fauci and the government medical establishment flat out lied to the American public when they said earlier in the year that not only did we NOT need masks, but that they would do more harm than good.  Now, you might argue that I can’t prove that they lied, and that is technically true.  However, the alternative was that, in the absence of virtually any data about Covid, they were sufficiently convinced of the negatives of masks that they told us not to wear them.  That seems unlikely, since common sense says that masks help at least a little.  Why might they lie?  Well, Occam’s Razor says that they wanted to prevent a run on purchases while they rebuilt a stockpile for medical professionals, first responders, other useful people, and useless bums like politicians.

Were they right in doing so?  That is a discussion for another time.  The point is that there is a compelling argument that they DID lie, and as such that they could do so again.

I've seen the argument that the"lied" so they could stock pile.

That just isn't true. The government could have invoked the defense act and distribute masks as they see fit.

They could have told people to use a shirt or some other cloth. But they didn't. Fauci laughed at the reporter for even suggesting it

I've missed the medical break through that happened this spring that shows all of a sudden masks work for the general public.

It is my opinion that Fauci, the sergeon general, the experts etc... flipped when the powers that be decided the public needed a placebo. People where freaking out buying all the focking TP. They needed something to calm the sheep. Something to make people FEEL like they are doing something. Masks are perfect to do that. Reminds people of covid, makes them feel safe while wearing them and gives goverment another arm of control. They also forced people to turn on each other. The people here who b1tch about others not wearing masks didn't complain when their family doctor or nurse didn't wear a mask while getting treated before covid.

[Fireballer 2,643]

29 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Regarding your last sentence, scientists would err on the side of caution in that scenario, which would be to suggest masks.  

The rest of your post mostly seems to agree with me, so thanks I guess.   

All Fauci had to say was wear a face covering.  Wear anything. Leave N95s for Healthcare workers. But he didn't because he knew its worthless.

[MDC 7,498]

1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

Rudy got the Corona

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1335679426516881409?s=20

 

[IGotWorms 4,059]

3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Let me explain why I am a little suspicious.  Fauci and the government medical establishment flat out lied to the American public when they said earlier in the year that not only did we NOT need masks, but that they would do more harm than good.  Now, you might argue that I can’t prove that they lied, and that is technically true.  However, the alternative was that, in the absence of virtually any data about Covid, they were sufficiently convinced of the negatives of masks that they told us not to wear them.  That seems unlikely, since common sense says that masks help at least a little.  Why might they lie?  Well, Occam’s Razor says that they wanted to prevent a run on purchases while they rebuilt a stockpile for medical professionals, first responders, other useful people, and useless bums like politicians.

Were they right in doing so?  That is a discussion for another time.  The point is that there is a compelling argument that they DID lie, and as such that they could do so again.

Not just the stockpiling issue. The other concern was that it would give people a false sense of security and stop them from social distancing, which is the most effective way to prevent spread.

What changed? I think they realized social distancing forever was hopeless especially when you had a president calling for armed insurrection against lockdown orders.

[Mike Honcho 5,297]

2 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Rudy got the Corona

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1335679426516881409?s=20

Lady dodged a bullet...

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,513]

9 hours ago, dogcows said:

Post after post disputing data from hospitals, the CDC, departments of health, whose job it is to keep track of public health data. Why? Because Trump said the opposite. That’s it. There’s no actual evidence that medical personnel are making things up. Statements like “‘they’re calling every death a covid death” are debunked with a source saying that’s not true and that health officials are working to make sure deaths unrelated to the disease are not a part of the numbers. But the accusations persist.

There is no conspiracy among all the competing newspapers and websites of the world to promote a liberal agenda. And yet it gets repeated ad nauseum as if it’s the gospel truth. Likewise, there is no conspiracy among every doctor on earth to artificially inflate the numbers of this disease. To believe otherwise is to be truly deluded. Paranoia will destroy ya.

What’s the accuracy rate of the test? 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

On 12/5/2020 at 5:19 PM, tanatastic said:

If you are Jeff Bezoz why would you ever allow this thing to go away? Stay home and order Amazon, it’s dangerous outside. Few billion here and there should keep those numbers high.

Good point.  Amazon was going out of business before this started

[JustinCharge 2,397]

 

[Utilit99 4,099]

20 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

 

I'm thinking he's talking about the couple businesses he keeps open for his own wants.

[TimHauck 2,920]

4 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

I've seen the argument that the"lied" so they could stock pile.

That just isn't true. The government could have invoked the defense act and distribute masks as they see fit.

They could have told people to use a shirt or some other cloth. But they didn't. Fauci laughed at the reporter for even suggesting it

I've missed the medical break through that happened this spring that shows all of a sudden masks work for the general public.

It is my opinion that Fauci, the sergeon general, the experts etc... flipped when the powers that be decided the public needed a placebo. People where freaking out buying all the focking TP. They needed something to calm the sheep. Something to make people FEEL like they are doing something. Masks are perfect to do that. Reminds people of covid, makes them feel safe while wearing them and gives goverment another arm of control. They also forced people to turn on each other. The people here who b1tch about others not wearing masks didn't complain when their family doctor or nurse didn't wear a mask while getting treated before covid.

I’d believe they lied before believing they decided they needed a placebo.  People were freaking out buying all the TP before they even told the general public not to wear masks.

If they didn’t work, why would healthcare workers need them (for during covid)?

I think one possible explanation for why they didn’t “err on the side of caution” was the fact that early on there seemed to be a belief that it could be spread easily via surfaces but now that appears not to be the case.

However I honestly do think the shortage played a role in what they said.  Once they did actually say to wear masks, didn’t they specify “cloth” masks anyway?

One interesting thing about the mask shortage that I assume you conspiracy theorists got a kick out of was isn’t Wuhan where a lot of surgical masks were made?

[dogcows 1,030]

So now Rudi has tested positive for COVID 19. Apparently he's filing a lawsuit to contest the results.

[Utilit99 4,099]

9 minutes ago, dogcows said:

So now Rudi has tested positive for COVID 19. Apparently he's filing a lawsuit to contest the results.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,513]

9 minutes ago, dogcows said:

So now Rudi has tested positive for COVID 19. Apparently he's filing a lawsuit to contest the results.

That’s a great man. Saved a city and a lot of lives. And you ungrateful libtards rag on him. Lots of them live in the city he saved they were too scared shitless to even visit until he cleaned it up. Most effective politician in the last 50 years and least 

[Fireballer 2,643]

17 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 early on there seemed to be a belief that it could be spread easily via surfaces but now that appears not to be the case.

 

Define easily when speaking of the spread of a .03 micron virus 

 

17 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

If they didn’t work, why would healthcare workers need them (for during covid)?

 

A cloth mask and an N95 are 2 entirely different animals.  With that said, even an N95 only filters to 1 micron, so they virus can definitely spread through those too. Also, OSHA mandates the use of respiratory protection, so workplaces are kinda stuck between a rock and hard place.  The only true option to prevent spread would be supplied air or SCBA.  But then, decon would be necessary after each time a new patient was seen.  Also, OSHA mandates how long you can wear full face resp. protection in an 8 hour shift.  In the end, an N95 is the "at least were doing something" for the Healthcare worker.