Coronavirus - Doomsday

[Cdub100 3,925]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 

https://www.kark.com/news/health/coronavirus/arkansas-hospital-lets-staff-seek-vaccine-exemption-as-long-as-they-dont-use-other-meds-tested-on-fetal-cell-lines/

A religious exemption isn't about fetal tissue. Frankly you don't have to give a reason and it's illegal for a company to ask. All you need is a sincerely held belief.

Also that list is absurd. Things like aspirin have been around long before fetal tissue testing or whatever they are trying to prove.

Pathetic.

[jerryskids 6,825]

Shockingly (not), New Zealand and its draconian lockdowns have finally figured out what we all know:  Covid gonna Covid.   

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New Zealand admits it can no longer get rid of coronavirus

NICK PERRY

Sun, October 3, 2021, 10:38 PM·3 min read

WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) — New Zealand's government acknowledged Monday what most other countries did long ago: It can no longer completely get rid of the coronavirus.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced a cautious plan to ease lockdown restrictions in Auckland, despite an outbreak there that continues to simmer.

Since early in the pandemic, New Zealand had pursued an unusual zero-tolerance approach to the virus through strict lockdowns and aggressive contact tracing. 

Until recently, that elimination strategy had worked remarkably well for the country of 5 million, which has reported just 27 virus deaths. 

While other nations faced rising death tolls and disrupted lives, New Zealanders went back to workplaces, school yards and sports stadiums safe from any community spread.

But that all changed when the more contagious delta variant somehow escaped from a quarantine facility in August after it was brought into the country from a traveler returning from Australia. 

Despite New Zealand going into the strictest form of lockdown after just a single local case was detected, it ultimately wasn't enough to crush the outbreak entirely.

One factor may have been that the disease spread among some groups that are typically more wary of authorities, including gang members and homeless people living in transitional housing.

The outbreak has grown to more than 1,300 cases, with 29 more detected on Monday. A few cases have been found outside of Auckland. 

Ardern said that seven weeks of lockdown restrictions in Auckland had helped keep the outbreak under control.

"For this outbreak, it’s clear that long periods of heavy restrictions has not got us to zero cases,” Ardern said. “But that is OK. Elimination was important because we didn’t have vaccines. Now we do, so we can begin to change the way we do things.”

New Zealand began its vaccination campaign slowly compared to most other developed nations. Rates rocketed in August after the outbreak began but have dropped off significantly again since then.

About 65% of New Zealanders have had at least one dose and 40% are fully vaccinated. Among people age 12 and older, about 79% have had at least a single jab.

Under Ardern's plan that starts Tuesday, Aucklanders will be able to meet outdoors with loved ones from one other household, early childhood centers will reopen and people will be able to relax at the beach. 

The dates for a phased reopening of retail stores and later bars and restaurants have yet to be decided.

Ardern said the elimination strategy had served the country incredibly well but the government always intended to eventually transition to the protection of vaccines, a change hastened by the delta variant “game changer.”

The government's elimination approach had been broadly supported by New Zealanders but was facing increasing criticism. Over the weekend, hundreds of people turned out to rallies protesting the lockdown. 

Opposition lawmaker Chris Bishop said the government had no clear strategy to deal with the outbreak other than total surrender.

But Ardern said that most measures would remain in place to keep the outbreak under control, including exhaustive contact tracing and isolating those who got infected.

“There’s good cause for us to feel optimistic about the future,” Ardern said. “But we cannot rush.”

https://news.yahoo.com/zealand-admits-no-longer-rid-053826244.html

[TimHauck 2,905]

14 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Shockingly (not), New Zealand and its draconian lockdowns have finally figured out what we all know:  Covid gonna Covid.   

https://news.yahoo.com/zealand-admits-no-longer-rid-053826244.html

More like “Delta gonna Delta.”   Not saying I agreed with their methods, but as the article points out,  they were able to basically stop it last year.

[TimHauck 2,905]

11 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

A religious exemption isn't about fetal tissue. Frankly you don't have to give a reason and it's illegal for a company to ask. All you need is a sincerely held belief.

Also that list is absurd. Things like aspirin have been around long before fetal tissue testing or whatever they are trying to prove.

Pathetic.

Link to a “sincerely held belief”  being all you need for a religious exemption?   

Looks like the list may have been based on this list which includes medicines that have been tested on fetal cell lines more recently, even if the actual medicine was developed long ago - https://www.patheos.com/blogs/throughcatholiclenses/2021/01/if-any-drug-tested-on-hek-293-is-immoral-goodbye-modern-medicine/

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

More like “Delta gonna Delta.”   Not aayijg I agreed with their methods, but as the article points out,  they were able to basically stop it last year.

The only way to arrest it is with lockdowns and shutdowns, but as we have seen time and time again, it's a fools errand.  Delta gonna Delta, just like you said, there is no stopping it. 

[Cdub100 3,925]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Link to a “sincerely held belief”  being all you need for a religious exemption?   

Looks like the list may have been based on this list which includes medicines that have been tested on fetal cell lines more recently, even if the actual medicine was developed long ago - https://www.patheos.com/blogs/throughcatholiclenses/2021/01/if-any-drug-tested-on-hek-293-is-immoral-goodbye-modern-medicine/

https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/what-you-should-know-workplace-religious-accommodation

Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits employment discrimination based on religion. This includes refusing to accommodate an employee's sincerely held religious beliefs or practices unless the accommodation would impose an undue hardship (more than a minimal burden on operation of the business). 

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I'm a supervisor and have had to deal with this before. If an employee has a "sincerely held religious belief" it doesn't matter what it is. It's up to me to prove that this belief hurts the company. That is always the argument and never what the belief is.

For example New employee - "Sorry I can't use a computer. I have a sincerely held religious belief they are evil."

Me - "Well 99% of your job is done on a computer and cannot be done another way."

*I would win this complaint. If I said well you drove here in your car that is not going to win the complaint. I cannot prove or disprove their belief through other examples*

Example 2: Employee - "sorry I can't be alone in a room with a person of the opposite sex. I have a sincerely held religious belief."

Me - "Okay there are only a few times this could happen, like during performance reviews or planning meetings. If I have Angie from HR in the room will this accommodate you?"

*Again because 95% of her job does not take place in a 1v1 situation and bringing Angie from HR down doesn't impose an undue hardship on the business I have to accommodate. It doesn't matter how silly the belief is.*

 

[lod001 1,344]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

More like “Delta gonna Delta.”   Not aayijg I agreed with their methods, but as the article points out,  they were able to basically stop it last year.

Yes it's possible to stop it but you could never allow an outside on the island and no one could ever leave the island.

However it is impossible to stop it and function as a society. They just proved it. They were complete idiots and the world saw it even though the media will never report about it.

[lod001 1,344]

I tell ya, it just keeps getting worse and worse for the jab juice pimpers and it's even on yahoo.

Now as low as 2 months. Heck, I didn't think they would admit this for another year or so.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pfizers-covid-19-immunity-protection-032404881.html

I'm working on a patent for a jab juice intravenous backpack where you can have the juice flowing thru you at all times.

Probably getting ready to phase it out and roll out the toxic pill that can't beat Ivermectin.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Just now, lod001 said:

I tell ya, it just keeps getting worse and worse for the jab juice pimpers and it's even on yahoo.

Now as low as 2 months. Heck, I didn't think they would admit this for another year or so.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pfizers-covid-19-immunity-protection-032404881.html

I'm working on a patent for a jab juice intravenous backpack where you can have the juice flowing thru you at all times.

Probably getting ready to phase it out and roll out the toxic pill that can't beat Ivermectin.

What do they mean exactly when they say but it still remains effective in preventing death or hospitalization by 96%? What does that take into account? 

96% of the people I know who have had covid and are not vaccinated didn't die or go to the hospital.  

[lod001 1,344]

21 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

What do they mean exactly when they say but it still remains effective in preventing death or hospitalization by 96%? What does that take into account? 

96% of the people I know who have had covid and are not vaccinated didn't die or go to the hospital.  

It's the last thing they have to cling to on a miserable failure. 

[TimHauck 2,905]

2 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

The only way to arrest it is with lockdowns and shutdowns, but as we have seen time and time again, it's a fools errand.  Delta gonna Delta, just like you said, there is no stopping it. 

So you're admitting that Delta is more contagious, correct?

[jerryskids 6,825]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

More like “Delta gonna Delta.”   Not aayijg I agreed with their methods, but as the article points out,  they were able to basically stop it last year.

As others have pointed out, even without Delta this does not work long term, unless their long term plan was to never physically interact with the rest of the world ever again.

[lod001 1,344]

Even on CNN. https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/06/health/pfizer-vaccine-waning-immunity/index.html

What a complete disaster. Now all that is left is what happens to those jabbed over the next 5 years. Seeing how they knew nothing about how worthless the crapola is, they certainly do not know what the long term effects are of having this toxic sh1t in your body. You can only hope it fades away as well but I'm pretty sure it doesn't'. 

 

[TimHauck 2,905]

35 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

As others have pointed out, even without Delta this does not work long term, unless their long term plan was to never physically interact with the rest of the world ever again.

Totally agree.   I was surprised they took so long to ramp up their vaccinations (they had less than 15% with even 1 dose by July 1st), it was as if the residents thought they could actually keep covid out.

[Thornton Melon 622]

1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

What do they mean exactly when they say but it still remains effective in preventing death or hospitalization by 96%? What does that take into account? 

96% of the people I know who have had covid and are not vaccinated didn't die or go to the hospital.  

I assume it means that vaccinated people with Covid get hospitalized or die at a 96% lower rate than un-vaccinated people. For example, say 3% of unvaxed people who catch Covid end up in the hospital, then 0.12% of vaxed people who catch Covid get hospitalized. That's how I figure it anyway. 

 

[jerryskids 6,825]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Totally agree.   I was surprised they took so long to ramp up their vaccinations (they had less than 15% with even 1 dose by July 1st), it was as if the residents thought they could actually keep covid out.

Well... yeah they thought that.  If you've completely locked down and isolated the country, you better be selling them that it will keep Covid out, otherwise there will be an insurrection.   

[DonS 3,292]

23 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

are their fetal cells in avocados and fruits?  asking for a friend

 

Yummy.  A fetal cell fruit smoothie!!   Salt rimmed glass for extra pizzazz! 

[jerryskids 6,825]

38 minutes ago, Thornton Melon said:

I assume it means that vaccinated people with Covid get hospitalized or die at a 96% lower rate than un-vaccinated people. For example, say 3% of unvaxed people who catch Covid end up in the hospital, then 0.12% of vaxed people who catch Covid get hospitalized. That's how I figure it anyway. 

 

That’s just it though, it could mean that, or it could mean an absolute rate of 4% of vaxxed people are hospitalized or die, if they want to lie with statistics.  

[TimHauck 2,905]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

That’s just it though, it could mean that, or it could mean an absolute rate of 4% of vaxxed people are hospitalized or die, if they want to lie with statistics.  

It means what Thornton said.

[jerryskids 6,825]

43 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Even on CNN. https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/06/health/pfizer-vaccine-waning-immunity/index.html

What a complete disaster. Now all that is left is what happens to those jabbed over the next 5 years. Seeing how they knew nothing about how worthless the crapola is, they certainly do not know what the long term effects are of having this toxic sh1t in your body. You can only hope it fades away as well but I'm pretty sure it doesn't'. 

 

One of the things that bothers me is the hypocrisy of the following:  on the one hand they say the vaccines are safe, all of them safe, safe for young kids, pregnant women, hell shove a needle in the umbilical cord, it’s safe because we know everything about it%$#@!

Then one of them only lasts a few months and they say “gee, didn’t see that one coming.  But it’s safe, get more%$#@!” 

 

[Gladiators 1,993]

18 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

One of the things that bothers me is the hypocrisy of the following:  on the one hand they say the vaccines are safe, all of them safe, safe for young kids, pregnant women, hell shove a needle in the umbilical cord, it’s safe because we know everything about it%$#@!

Then one of them only lasts a few months and they say “gee, didn’t see that one coming.  But it’s safe, get more%$#@!” 

 

How about you just stfu and do what you’re told? Quit thinking about it…that’s not ok or part of the plan.

[lod001 1,344]

18 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

One of the things that bothers me is the hypocrisy of the following:  on the one hand they say the vaccines are safe, all of them safe, safe for young kids, pregnant women, hell shove a needle in the umbilical cord, it’s safe because we know everything about it%$#@!

Then one of them only lasts a few months and they say “gee, didn’t see that one coming.  But it’s safe, get more%$#@!” 

 

No one should beleive anything out of these psychos blowholes.

Simply saying that a business with 100 people must be jabbed but a business with 99 people is free to spread covid all you like.

Or this one which is equally asinine: If you are a certain age, you should or should not get the juice. I can only shake my head that these psychos have an age rule with ZERO to back it up. Ok, you just turned x years old, NOW the juice is safe for you. One day ago, it was not. But now it is. Are people understanding the complete ignorance of such a statement????

Just these 2 examples should make anyone with an IQ above 70 realize that these focktards should not be listened to.

Fauci at one time said 100% safe & effective and he's still on the payroll. Just a psychotic liar. 

[Strike 5,565]

1 minute ago, lod001 said:

No one should beleive anything out of these psychos blowholes.

Simply saying that a business with 100 people must be jabbed but a business with 99 people is free to spread covid all you like.

Or this one which is equally asinine: If you are a certain age, you should or should not get the juice. I can only shake my head that these psychos have an age rule with ZERO to back it up. Ok, you just turned x years old, NOW the juice is safe for you. One day ago, it was not. But now it is. Are people understanding the complete ignorance of such a statement????

Just these 2 examples should make anyone with an IQ above 70 realize that these focktards should not be listened to.

Fauci at one time said 100% safe & effective and he's still on the payroll. Just a psychotic liar. 

People keep talking about this because Biden said it in a speech a month ago.  But OSHA, who is tasked with actually writing the rules, hasn't done so yet and there is no timetable.  All anyone from the administration keeps saying is "soon."  It's looking like an empty threat to intimidate businesses in to forcing their employees to be vaccinated.  If it was so important you'd think they'd have the rules out by now.  By the time the rules come out Covid may not even be an issue.

[DonS 3,292]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

People keep talking about this because Biden said it in a speech a month ago.  But OSHA, who is tasked with actually writing the rules, hasn't done so yet and there is no timetable.  All anyone from the administration keeps saying is "soon."  It's looking like an empty threat to intimidate businesses in to forcing their employees to be vaccinated.  If it was so important you'd think they'd have the rules out by now.  By the time the rules come out Covid may not even be an issue.

Yep.  I'm vaccinated, but I'm in no rush to submit my proof of vaccination to my employer. Curious to see how intense email threats become, but like you state it isn't even official yet. 

[BudBro 183]

7 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Link to a “sincerely held belief”  being all you need for a religious exemption?   

Looks like the list may have been based on this list which includes medicines that have been tested on fetal cell lines more recently, even if the actual medicine was developed long ago - https://www.patheos.com/blogs/throughcatholiclenses/2021/01/if-any-drug-tested-on-hek-293-is-immoral-goodbye-modern-medicine/

The prohibition on discrimination and the requirement of reasonable accommodation apply whether the religious views in question are mainstream or non-traditional, and even if not recognized by any organized religion. These protections also extend to those who profess no religious beliefs.6

https://www.eeoc.gov/sites/default/files/migrated_files/laws/guidance/religion.pdf  located on pg 2.

[Fireballer 2,642]

 

[Fireballer 2,642]

Race to save the world...JFC

 

[Mookz 1,349]

1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

 

Might 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

So you're admitting that Delta is more contagious, correct?

Highly contagious is what I have heard the most. Conjunctivitis is also highly contagious but I don't remember shutting down the country for it.

[Cdub100 3,925]

2 hours ago, Fireballer said:

 

Last person who gave me attitude about not wearing a mask I asked why he was wearing one? I just started grilling him are you sick? Are in infected? Because I'm healthy. You must be infected and trying to hide it.

[Utilit99 4,099]

3 hours ago, Fireballer said:

 

The shape of her skull looks like a Munch painting. Only a little more curved like it's trying to form the letter 'C'. That lady's head was definitely pulled out of her mother's tuna boat by clamps.

https://www.google.com/shopping/product/1?q=munch+the+scream&biw=412&bih=682&tbs=vw:g,ss:44&prmd=insxv&prds=num:1,of:1,eto:16589841637538863971_0,prmr:1,pid:16589841637538863971,cs:1

[TimHauck 2,905]

1 hour ago, TimmySmith said:

Highly contagious is what I have heard the most. Conjunctivitis is also highly contagious but I don't remember shutting down the country for it.

We didn’t shut down the country for Delta. But Delta is at least as lethal as what did shut down the country, and more contagious. 

[TimHauck 2,905]

10 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/what-you-should-know-workplace-religious-accommodation

Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits employment discrimination based on religion. This includes refusing to accommodate an employee's sincerely held religious beliefs or practices unless the accommodation would impose an undue hardship (more than a minimal burden on operation of the business). 

**********

I'm a supervisor and have had to deal with this before. If an employee has a "sincerely held religious belief" it doesn't matter what it is. It's up to me to prove that this belief hurts the company. That is always the argument and never what the belief is.

For example New employee - "Sorry I can't use a computer. I have a sincerely held religious belief they are evil."

Me - "Well 99% of your job is done on a computer and cannot be done another way."

*I would win this complaint. If I said well you drove here in your car that is not going to win the complaint. I cannot prove or disprove their belief through other examples*

Example 2: Employee - "sorry I can't be alone in a room with a person of the opposite sex. I have a sincerely held religious belief."

Me - "Okay there are only a few times this could happen, like during performance reviews or planning meetings. If I have Angie from HR in the room will this accommodate you?"

*Again because 95% of her job does not take place in a 1v1 situation and bringing Angie from HR down doesn't impose an undue hardship on the business I have to accommodate. It doesn't matter how silly the belief is.*

 

So can’t businesses argue that the unvaxxed being at a higher risk of catching/spreading covid is an “undue hardship”?

Has anyone tried lawsuits claiming the religious exemption yet?

[lod001 1,344]

20 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

We didn’t shut down the country for Delta. But Delta is at least as lethal as what did shut down the country, and more contagious. 

Ya mean the virus that has killed fatties at a rate of under 0.3% and if early treatment was promoted instead of a failed attempt at a vaccine, it would have been near zero deaths? That virus?.

[TimHauck 2,905]

7 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Ya mean the virus that has killed fatties at a rate of under 0.3% and if early treatment was promoted instead of a failed attempt at a vaccine, it would have been near zero deaths? That virus?.

0.2% of the country died from it and probably only like half the country has had it. It kills fatties (and oldies) at a much higher rate.   I’m sure early treatment helps but near zero is a joke.

[Cdub100 3,925]

47 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So can’t businesses argue that the unvaxxed being at a higher risk of catching/spreading covid is an “undue hardship”?

Has anyone tried lawsuits claiming the religious exemption yet?

Yes they can argue that but just like other infectious diseases the rights of a person's deeply held beliefs out weight a company or governments imposing rules without providing a reasonable accommodation.

I think some have tried. And I've read rulings both ways.

I'm not a lawyer nor do I pretend to be a fake lawyer here. This is the training I've received.

[lod001 1,344]

33 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

0.2% of the country died from it and probably only like half the country has had it. It kills fatties (and oldies) at a much higher rate.   I’m sure early treatment helps but near zero is a joke.

The joke is how badly you failed in this thread.

Fauci said 100% safe and effective at one point. You touted the garbage jab juice. I said it was going to be a miserable failure.

 Now we have this: The new BS is the line 'low risk & very rare'. That is admitting that it can kill you. So much for safe and effective.

Two studies published on Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine also support that young males are at higher risk of the very rare heart complications after vaccination.

A study from Israel found that males aged 16 to 29 had the highest risk, with about 11 in 100,000 males getting a new heart condition after getting vaccinated. Most of the cases included in the study were described as mild or moderate.

The second study, also from Israel, found that boys 16 to 19 years old were at highest risk from myocarditis after the second dose of vaccine. Although very low, the risk was around nine times higher than in unvaccinated boys, per The New York Times.

[TimHauck 2,905]

47 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Yes they can argue that but just like other infectious diseases the rights of a person's deeply held beliefs out weight a company or governments imposing rules without providing a reasonable accommodation.

I think some have tried. And I've read rulings both ways.

I'm not a lawyer nor do I pretend to be a fake lawyer here. This is the training I've received.

Re: reasonable accommodations, aren’t most places except the federal government and medical facilities offering the option for weekly testing?

[TimHauck 2,905]

1 hour ago, lod001 said:

The joke is how badly you failed in this thread.

Fauci said 100% safe and effective at one point. You touted the garbage jab juice. I said it was going to be a miserable failure.

 Now we have this: The new BS is the line 'low risk & very rare'. That is admitting that it can kill you. So much for safe and effective.

Two studies published on Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine also support that young males are at higher risk of the very rare heart complications after vaccination.

A study from Israel found that males aged 16 to 29 had the highest risk, with about 11 in 100,000 males getting a new heart condition after getting vaccinated. Most of the cases included in the study were described as mild or moderate.

The second study, also from Israel, found that boys 16 to 19 years old were at highest risk from myocarditis after the second dose of vaccine. Although very low, the risk was around nine times higher than in unvaccinated boys, per The New York Times.

I think the myocarditis risk for young males is real, but while I agree “mild heart problem” is an oxymoron, it is rarely fatal and it’s also a risk from covid...some would argue even moreso.   

And, that doesn’t mean the vaccines are a failure.  For many countries with low vaccination rates (such as India, despite Ivermectin), the Delta wave was the biggest yet.  But that wasn’t the case in higher vaccinated countries.  If deaths continue on their current trajectory (of course not a guarantee), doing some rough math, you could argue the vaccines have saved over 100k lives (300k+ deaths during the fall/winter wave, compared to ~100k during the current one x2 since the downslope has just begun).

[Utilit99 4,099]

5 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I think the myocarditis risk for young males is real, but while I agree “mild heart problem” is an oxymoron, it is rarely fatal and it’s also a risk from covid...some would argue even moreso.   

And, that doesn’t mean the vaccines are a failure.  For many countries with low vaccination rates (such as India, despite Ivermectin), the Delta wave was the biggest yet.  But that wasn’t the case in higher vaccinated countries.  If deaths continue on their current trajectory (of course not a guarantee), doing some rough math, you could argue the vaccines have saved over 100k lives (300k+ deaths during the fall/winter wave, compared to ~100k during the current one x2 since the downslope has just begun).

Get the vaccine if you want it. 

Don't get it if you don't want it.

Go live your life.