Coronavirus - Doomsday

[lod001 1,344]

Just now, MDC said:

I don’t think the vaccine is 100% effective. I just think it’s weird to assume a 50-something had a heart attack because of a vaccine she took almost a year ago. 

Why not? There is nothing that you can say with 100% certainty that it did not and it is a FACT that this crap causes heart issues among numerous other problems for those that took it. So the odds favor that is the reason.

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5 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Wait, 52 is young now?

Don't argue over a specific anecdote.  That's worthless.  Anecdotes are worthless in general and are made to appeal to emotion.  If someone really wants to prove something they just need to pull data that shows an outsized increase in heart issues (or no change).

You'll swear it's from people getting actual covid, and they'll claim it's from people getting vaccinated, but at least you guys will no longer be arguing about a sample of 1.  

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2 hours ago, MDC said:

It’s possible, just asking why the assumption it was the vaccine versus other more plausible explanations. 

I'd venture that the vaccine or covid or some combination of that is well within the realm of plausible explanations.

Could also be drug use, or a terrible diet, too, of course.  

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31 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Why not? There is nothing that you can say with 100% certainty that it did not and it is a FACT that this crap causes heart issues among numerous other problems for those that took it. So the odds favor that is the reason.

You are one out there dude.

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20 minutes ago, nobody said:

I'd venture that the vaccine or covid or some combination of that is well within the realm of plausible explanations.

Could also be drug use, or a terrible diet, too, of course.  

I’m not saying it’s impossible that she had a heart attack due to a vaccine she took a year ago. I’m saying it’s mighty strange to assume that is the reason.

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1 hour ago, MDC said:

I’m not saying it’s impossible that she had a heart attack due to a vaccine she took a year ago. I’m saying it’s mighty strange to assume that is the reason.

We'll never know.  It's one person.  Maybe they can do an autopsy. 

I don't think it's strange.  People play the lottery.  People think their kid is going to be a professional athlete.  People suck at statistics and are bombarded with vaccine propaganda one way or the other.  That correlation will get made.

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3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I'll agree with "young to have a heart attack," but that's not what Timmy said.

Sure, maybe not totally normal, but not unheard of.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/heart-attack/heart-attacks-striking-younger-women

 

 

Post the entire sentence imbecile.  

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Colliver notes that women over the age of 50 are at an increased risk for heart disease and should completely avoid estrogen and progesterone drugs, if possible.

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19 minutes ago, nobody said:

We'll never know.  

Exactly. So why decide on one unlikely scenario over other far more likely scenarios? 

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1 hour ago, Horseman said:

Post the entire sentence imbecile.  

Huh?  That doesn’t change the part where it says over 50 is at increased risk regardless.  It’s not like if they don’t take those they definitely won’t have a heart attack.

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11 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Huh?  That doesn’t change the part where it says over 50 is at increased risk regardless.  It’s not like if they don’t take those they definitely won’t have a heart attack.

Yes it does. Context. Women over 50 should avoid those drugs if they are high risk. 

The funniest part is that's the best you could find googling to try to come up with something to back yourself up. 

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SDC. Sudden Cardiac Death. OMG infants are too old they are having heart attacks!  

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19 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Huh?  That doesn’t change the part where it says over 50 is at increased risk regardless.  It’s not like if they don’t take those they definitely won’t have a heart attack.

For those keeping score at home, when Tim Hack types "Huh?," it precedes his playing dumb act.

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On 3/10/2022 at 1:26 PM, vomit said:

If this jagoff is serious, it is scary that there are people out there spewing this sh!t

jagoff...Steewer fan, eh?

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On 3/10/2022 at 2:12 PM, TimHauck said:

The vaccines were still 60-80% effective against infection even of Delta.

Thank you for admitting that the vaccines worked at lessening symptoms though.

You realize prior infection didn't provide true "immunity" against Omicron either, right?

They aren't vaccines, so there is no way they were 60-80% effective at preventing infection.  No chance that stat is accurate.  More likely closer to 0%.  Obama said he's been jabbed twice and has had the booster (yeah,...sure he has), yet still just got covid (yeah, sure he does).  In real life, though, that's the story of every person who has been jabbed with the poison.

I admitted months ago they minimized symptoms.  They were the reason that you could be a super-spreader by carrying on daily functions while exposing others.  Ivm could have done more for $3 a person.  This was a bail-out of failing big pharma that bet big on mRna technology.

Those exposed to sars-cov-1 18 years ago showed immunity responses to sars cov-2, according to NIH.  That means having cov-1 didn't exempt one from cov-2 either. 

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Remember when tim was touting 95% effective. Now hes down to 60% and still hasn't figured out hes been played. Zero % is the correct#. No one needed this crap and its by far the deadliest shot ever given.

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10 hours ago, Horseman said:

Yes it does. Context. Women over 50 should avoid those drugs if they are high risk. 

The funniest part is that's the best you could find googling to try to come up with something to back yourself up. 

No that’s not what it said.  It said women over 50 are higher risk period, so they should avoid things that could increase their risk.

What’s wrong with the source?  That’s like the first thing that came up after 2 seconds of googling.  But it’s Hopkins Medicine.  And really Hopkins, not just some crackpot that works in the Economics department like some of the other “Johns Hopkins studies” that have been shared here.

Can you share your link to the 4% statistic you quoted?

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33 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Remember when tim was touting 95% effective. Now hes down to 60% and still hasn't figured out hes been played. Zero % is the correct#. No one needed this crap and its by far the deadliest shot ever given.

60-80% was against Delta.  It was 90%+ against the earlier strains, but that may have also been partially due to less time for waning.

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Is something going on at Fort Bragg? I remember hearing something about increased deaths there. 

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9 hours ago, BudBro said:

They aren't vaccines, so there is no way they were 60-80% effective at preventing infection.  No chance that stat is accurate.  More likely closer to 0%.

It is absolutely a vaccine, to state otherwise is pure stupidity.  The efficacy rate varies over time, but it is absolutely greater than 0%, and again, to suggest otherwise just shows absolute stupidity.

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53 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Remember when tim was touting 95% effective. Now hes down to 60% and still hasn't figured out hes been played. Zero % is the correct#. No one needed this crap and its by far the deadliest shot ever given.

It's not Tim it's the medical community, as we learn more and as the virus mutates the original vaccine is less and less effective.

It is not the deadliest vaccine ever given, that probably belongs to the polio vaccine because they focked up, which is why there is so much vaccine scrutiny these days.

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

No that’s not what it said.  It said women over 50 are higher risk period, so they should avoid things that could increase their risk.

What’s wrong with the source?  That’s like the first thing that came up after 2 seconds of googling.  But it’s Hopkins Medicine.  And really Hopkins, not just some crackpot that works in the Economics department like some of the other “Johns Hopkins studies” that have been shared here.

Can you share your link to the 4% statistic you quoted?

You don't read so good. 

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1 hour ago, Horseman said:

You don't read so good. 

LOL believe whatever you want.  I take that as a no on sharing your source for the 4% then?

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Fourth shot “is necessary” Pfizer CEO says as experts monitor BA.2

Experts warn of potential for bump in cases amid relaxed measures and rise in BA.2.

BETH MOLE - 3/14/2022, 3:13 PM

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While US health experts closely monitor upticks of COVID-19 cases in Europe as well as the global rise of the omicron subvariant BA.2, Pfizer is renewing calls for fourth doses of COVID-19 vaccine.

In an interview Sunday on CBS' Face the Nation, Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said that a fourth dose—aka a second booster—is "necessary."

"The protection what we are getting from the third [doses], it is good enough—actually, quite good for hospitalizations and deaths," Dr. Bourla said. But, "it's not that good against infections" with omicron, and "it doesn't last very long." He reported that Pfizer is "working very diligently" to come up with a new dose that will protect against all variants and provide longer-lasting protection.

When the omicron coronavirus variant first emerged at the end of November and swiftly rose to global dominance, makers of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines—Pfizer and its partner BioNTech, as well as Moderna—all announced that they were working on omicron-specific vaccines. The companies initially said those shots could come as early as March. But as the omicron wave peaked and began a precipitous descent, so did the urgency for the shots. And last month, the vaccine makers announced slowdowns in development after several animal studies hinted that the variant-specific formulations didn't offer better protection against omicron than a booster of the current vaccines.

US health officials, meanwhile, have been more cautious about talk of a fourth dose. In January, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Rochelle Walensky, said that it was simply too soon to talk about fourth shots, given the slow uptake of third doses. "Right now, I think our strategy has to be to maximize the protection of the tens of millions of people who continue to be eligible for a third shot before we starting thinking about what a fourth shot would look like." To date, only 44 percent of fully vaccinated people in the US have gotten a booster dose, according to CDC data.

 

Potential for rise in cases

Still, consideration for fourth doses appears to be ramping up amid signs that the US could soon see another jump in COVID-19 cases. Though cases are still in decline from the initial omicron wave, many experts say there's a reasonable chance that cases could tick upward again—though not nearly to the extent of the initial omicron surge. Currently, much of the country is ditching pandemic prevention measures—such as masking and distancing—while protection from vaccines and boosters continues to wane, and an omicron subvariant is gaining ground in the US. The subvariant, dubbed BA.2, is thought to be 30 percent to 40 percent more transmissible than the original omicron, BA.1. It is currently accounting for around 12 percent of all US cases, and its prevalence has been steadily rising over recent weeks. This could all create a recipe for another, smaller surge in cases.

Right now, several countries in Europe, including the United Kingdom and Germany, are experiencing rising cases given the same situation—rising BA.2, loosening restrictions, and waning protection. The situation in the UK, in particular, tends to foreshadow what happens in the US by about three or four weeks, according to Scott Gottlieb, former Food and Drug Administration commissioner and Pfizer board member. In addition, about a third of US national wastewater surveillance sites are picking up early signs of increased transmission of COVID-19 from virus levels shed in people's feces.

But Dr. Gottlieb cautioned that BA.2 is still not expected to create a large surge, given all the immunity built up from vaccination and past infections.

"You're seeing an uptick across Europe, and I think that's causing a lot of anxiety here in the United States that we're going to see a surge of infection," Gottlieb said in an interview on CNBC's Squawk Box Monday. "I do believe we'll probably see a bump up of infections as we lift the mitigation [measures], as BA.2 starts to spread and become more prevalent... and as you get some waning immunity from the boosters that people got over the winter. But I don't think it's going to be another major surge of infection," he said.

Fall boosters

Instead, Gottlieb predicted that small increases in infections will quickly give way to declines. This is particularly likely as we head into the spring and summer months, when people spend more time outdoors where there's lower transmission risk.

But the new threat of case increases could refresh plans for a fourth dose. Officials have said in recent weeks that they are continually monitoring the need for fourth doses, potentially eyeing jabs in the fall, when people regularly get flu shots. According to reporting by The Wall Street Journal, the FDA has already begun reviewing data on fourth doses, and Pfizer has said in recent days that it is close to submitting its own fourth-dose data to the regulator. The FDA is said to be looking at whether fourth shots will improve protection from infection and if they're needed by all vaccine-eligible people or just select groups that are at higher risk of disease.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/03/pfizer-ceo-pushes-for-fourth-shots-as-anxiety-over-ba-2-subvariant-rises/?mc_cid=b1020263f6&mc_eid=db8060e0ab

I predicted long ago that this would turn into an annual flu shot sorta thing; dang it's tough being right all of the time. 

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17 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I predicted long ago that this would turn into an annual flu shot sorta thing; dang it's tough being right all of the time. 

I've heard this and been saying this for years.

That's like bragging about telling everyone that the sun is hot.

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33 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Fourth shot “is necessary” Pfizer CEO says as experts monitor BA.2

Experts warn of potential for bump in cases amid relaxed measures and rise in BA.2.

BETH MOLE - 3/14/2022, 3:13 PM

https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/03/pfizer-ceo-pushes-for-fourth-shots-as-anxiety-over-ba-2-subvariant-rises/?mc_cid=b1020263f6&mc_eid=db8060e0ab

I predicted long ago that this would turn into an annual flu shot sorta thing; dang it's tough being right all of the time. 

So true Jerry.  And like the flu shot, I am 100% sure it will be up to us to decide whether we partake. 

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Washington Post piece highlights how schools that did 'less' to contain COVID 'flourished'

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-piece-highlights-schools-did-less-contain-covid-flourished

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5 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Washington Post piece highlights how schools that did 'less' to contain COVID 'flourished'

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-piece-highlights-schools-did-less-contain-covid-flourished

I read it. The school profiled was basically all white and completely unmasked. Getting ahead while the rest of the pop fell miserably behind. 

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4 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

I read it. The school profiled was basically all white and completely unmasked. Getting ahead while the rest of the pop fell miserably behind. 

What does being white have to do with it?

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1 hour ago, vomit said:

I've heard this and been saying this for years.

That's like bragging about telling everyone that the sun is hot.

Yeah but I was first.   

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1 hour ago, TimmySmith said:

So true Jerry.  And like the flu shot, I am 100% sure it will be up to us to decide whether we partake. 

I thought about that; the booster (3rd shot, 1st booster, it gets so confusing) was only required in limited settings; barring a significantly more dangerous variant (which seems contrary to how viruses seem to evolve) I would be surprised if there is a general requirement.

But as I type that, I can see schools in blue areas being a battleground.  Poor kids.   

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1 hour ago, vomit said:

I've heard this and been saying this for years.

That's like bragging about telling everyone that the sun is hot.

The earth is ~7,900 miles in diameter.

Our sun is 864,000 miles in diameter. And is nearly 10,000 degrees Fahrenheit on it's surface and 27 million degrees at it's core. 

Eventually it will grow into a red giant and overtake the planets up until earth or maybe even earth. Then it will turn white. 

It will eventually become a white dwarf. About the size of the earth I think. 

 

I love our sun. I'll brag about it all day. 

 

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24 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I thought about that; the booster (3rd shot, 1st booster, it gets so confusing) was only required in limited settings; barring a significantly more dangerous variant (which seems contrary to how viruses seem to evolve) I would be surprised if there is a general requirement.

But as I type that, I can see schools in blue areas being a battleground.  Poor kids.   

And restaurants, etc.  Time for businesses to clear out of the yo-yo economy, all the direction of the local scared lib. 

[lod001 1,344]

5 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Is something going on at Fort Bragg? I remember hearing something about increased deaths there. 

Yep. 8 just died sleeping recently. Can't google it. They suppress the news like that. Fortunately twitter cannot. Far better search engine if you want to know what is really going on.

https://gettr.com/post/p104wub75ce

https://waynedupree.com/2022/03/servicemen-dying-bunk/

Tim needs to line up for his 4th jab because he was told he needs it.

5 hours ago, vomit said:

It is absolutely a vaccine, to state otherwise is pure stupidity.  The efficacy rate varies over time, but it is absolutely greater than 0%, and again, to suggest otherwise just shows absolute stupidity.

Everyone will get covid eventually. You cannot jab your way out of it unless you live like a hermit. That's ZERO % effective as far as the definition of a vaccine..

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1 hour ago, vomit said:

What does being white have to do with it?

Ask the WaPo?

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1 minute ago, lod001 said:

Everyone will get covid eventually. You cannot jab your way out of it unless you live like a hermit. That's ZERO % effective as far as the definition of a vaccine..

100% false.

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1 minute ago, TimmySmith said:

Ask the WaPo?

I asked you, puzzy.

[lod001 1,344]

The medical examiner concluded after the autopsy in January that Saget died from an accidental blow to the head, likely from a backwards fall. 

Here's what it looked like in Saget's hotel room the night he died. Both jabbed many times. But that's just a coincidence.

 

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2 minutes ago, vomit said:

100% false.

Keep dreaming. If it wasn't true they wouldn't need to pimp an annual covid jab...dumbass.

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Just now, lod001 said:

Keep dreaming. If it wasn't true they wouldn't need to pimp an annual covid jab...dumbass.

Many vaccines require boosters...dumbass.

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1 minute ago, vomit said:

Many vaccines require boosters...dumbass.

They do?  How many?