Coronavirus - Doomsday

[Casual Observer 597]

8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

There you go quibbling (and lying) again.

I never said there were 1.1 million excess deaths.  I said there were 1.1 million if you define it as the change vs the 2015-2019 average, which most people don’t.

Here was my statement regarding HEART ATTACKS specifically: “it might be true that there have been 1.1 heart attack deaths.”  “Might be true” first of all indicates I wasn’t sure.  And I said heart attack, not “sudden cardiac arrest,” I guess you haven’t read the Damar Hamlin thread to learn that heart attack and cardiac arrest aren’t the same thing.

And regardless, congratulations you have now successfully moved the goalposts to another universe.  I made the heart attack statement as a joke, because that was the only way their claim could be close to true.   BUT THAT’S NOT AT ALL WHAT THE ARTICLE WAS TALKING ABOUT, so this argument is pointless (as are all arguments with you but I digress).  
 

Slaynews.com is a fake news site.

You're a fake news site, so you shouldn't be pointing fingers at anyone else.  Again, I didn't post that article.  When you are trapped like a rat, like you are now, you backtrack and resort to attempts to re-define terms, hedge what you clearly stated, etc.  A sudden cardiac arrest is a focking heart attack that resulted in death, especially in taking the American Heart Association stats I cited above.

The only joke here is you.  You constantly and shamelessly lie in your attempts to mislead people.  You do this all day long, like someone is paying you to do it, too.  You've been shown to be full of shite numerous times now, including this one.  Shut up, sit down and find an actual job instead of this bullshit on fantasy football message boreds.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,504]

1 hour ago, Casual Observer said:

You're a fake news site, so you shouldn't be pointing fingers at anyone else.  Again, I didn't post that article.  When you are trapped like a rat, like you are now, you backtrack and resort to attempts to re-define terms, hedge what you clearly stated, etc.  A sudden cardiac arrest is a focking heart attack that resulted in death, especially in taking the American Heart Association stats I cited above.

The only joke here is you.  You constantly and shamelessly lie in your attempts to mislead people.  You do this all day long, like someone is paying you to do it, too.  You've been shown to be full of shite numerous times now, including this one.  Shut up, sit down and find an actual job instead of this bullshit on fantasy football message boreds.

[jerryskids 6,827]

On 1/3/2023 at 5:58 AM, TimHauck said:

Good thread on the legitimate criticisms of Fauci, without calling him a criminal:

 

 

 

I like Prasad.  I’m not crazy about Makary but that article was pretty fair.  Only thing I disagree with that he wrote is he claims there was a “conclusive study last month showing Vitamin D reduces Covid mortality.”  I assume he’s referring to this:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-24053-4

But that’s just an “association” (correlation and not necessarily causation and acknowledges possible confounders), and was not significant for Vitamin D2, only D3, and even that figure was far less effective than the vaccine despite some touting Vitamin D as a supplement for the vaccine.

 

 

I dunno, just reading the abstract, Vitamin D looks pretty darn helpful to me, significantly reducing both infection and morbidity.  Yes it was observational, but there are a lot of samples:

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Vitamin D deficiency has long been associated with reduced immune function that can lead to viral infection. Several studies have shown that Vitamin D deficiency is associated with increases the risk of infection with COVID-19. However, it is unknown if treatment with Vitamin D can reduce the associated risk of COVID-19 infection, which is the focus of this study. In the population of US veterans, we show that Vitamin D₂ and D₃ fills were associated with reductions in COVID-19 infection of 28% and 20%, respectively [(D₃ Hazard Ratio (HR) = 0.80, [95% CI 0.77, 0.83]), D₂ HR = 0.72, [95% CI 0.65, 0.79]]. Mortality within 30-days of COVID-19 infection was similarly 33% lower with Vitamin D₃ and 25% lower with D₂ (D₃ HR = 0.67, [95% CI 0.59, 0.75]; D₂ HR = 0.75, [95% CI 0.55, 1.04]). We also find that after controlling for vitamin D blood levels, veterans receiving higher dosages of Vitamin D obtained greater benefits from supplementation than veterans receiving lower dosages. Veterans with Vitamin D blood levels between 0 and 19 ng/ml exhibited the largest decrease in COVID-19 infection following supplementation. Black veterans received greater associated COVID-19 risk reductions with supplementation than White veterans. As a safe, widely available, and affordable treatment, Vitamin D may help to reduce the severity of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Of course I'm not surprised that Vitamin D helps, as we've discussed multiple times before.    Even helps more with black people, who tend to be more Vitamin D deficient.

 

[TimHauck 2,906]

2 hours ago, Casual Observer said:

You're a fake news site, so you shouldn't be pointing fingers at anyone else.  Again, I didn't post that article.  When you are trapped like a rat, like you are now, you backtrack and resort to attempts to re-define terms, hedge what you clearly stated, etc.  A sudden cardiac arrest is a focking heart attack that resulted in death, especially in taking the American Heart Association stats I cited above.

The only joke here is you.  You constantly and shamelessly lie in your attempts to mislead people.  You do this all day long, like someone is paying you to do it, too.  You've been shown to be full of shite numerous times now, including this one.  Shut up, sit down and find an actual job instead of this bullshit on fantasy football message boreds.

I never said you posted the article.  But you took issue with another poster (not even me) initially calling it a fake news site.

What did I lie about?

[TimHauck 2,906]

45 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I dunno, just reading the abstract, Vitamin D looks pretty darn helpful to me, significantly reducing both infection and morbidity.  Yes it was observational, but there are a lot of samples:

Of course I'm not surprised that Vitamin D helps, as we've discussed multiple times before.    Even helps more with black people, who tend to be more Vitamin D deficient.

 

Only D3, not D2

[jerryskids 6,827]

12 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Only D3, not D2

Is this some bizarro win in your mind? 

Besides, most supplements in the US, that I've bought and currently own anyway, are D3.

Also from the abstract I just quoted:

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In the population of US veterans, we show that Vitamin D₂ and D₃ fills were associated with reductions in COVID-19 infection of 28% and 20%, respectively [(D₃ Hazard Ratio (HR) = 0.80, [95% CI 0.77, 0.83]), D₂ HR = 0.72, [95% CI 0.65, 0.79]]. Mortality within 30-days of COVID-19 infection was similarly 33% lower with Vitamin D₃ and 25% lower with D₂ (D₃ HR = 0.67, [95% CI 0.59, 0.75]; D₂ HR = 0.75, [95% CI 0.55, 1.04]).

 

[TimHauck 2,906]

55 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Is this some bizarro win in your mind? 

Besides, most supplements in the US, that I've bought and currently own anyway, are D3.

Also from the abstract I just quoted:

 

I believe it said the D2 results were not statistically significant.

I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree, I’m not really convinced a ~30% improvement that the authors admit includes confounders is “pretty darn helpful.”

And again, similar to my issue with Ivermectin, I never said don’t take Vitamin D, my main issue was with people that suggested them as substitutes for the vaccine.  Even based on this confounded data it is far less effective than the vaccine in reducing Covid mortality.

[lod001 1,344]

I remember when they used to tweet out the deaths of obese and unhealthy people who died when the virus was deadly and they would tweet BS like 'his last statement was how he wished he was vaccinated'. Those days are over. What comes around goes around. Now its their turn. Plant this loser.

 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

5 minutes ago, lod001 said:

I remember when they used to tweet out the deaths of obese and unhealthy people who died when the virus was deadly and they would tweet BS like 'his last statement was how he wished he was vaccinated'. Those days are over. What comes around goes around. Now its their turn. Plant this loser.

 

Taking joy in someones death, like the true piece of sh1t you are.  Well done, trash.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,504]

It’s amazing how angry many of these so called Americans were at people for declining to be vaccinated.  No I see how authoritarian regimes come about. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

5 minutes ago, lod001 said:

I remember when they used to tweet out the deaths of obese and unhealthy people who died when the virus was deadly and they would tweet BS like 'his last statement was how he wished he was vaccinated'. Those days are over. What comes around goes around. Now its their turn. Plant this loser.

 

Well looks like we can add this tweeter to the list of people that are now against all vaccines.  But TBF I'm not sure if "Vance Murphy" is notable, he just pays for twitter

[Hardcore troubadour 15,504]

Amazing that the side that want all drugs like heroin to be legal screamed at the top of their lungs that some people wanted to take HQC or ivermectin.  With a prescription! 

[jerryskids 6,827]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I believe it said the D2 results were not statistically significant.

I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree, I’m not really convinced a ~30% improvement that the authors admit includes confounders is “pretty darn helpful.”

And again, similar to my issue with Ivermectin, I never said don’t take Vitamin D, my main issue was with people that suggested them as substitutes for the vaccine.  Even based on this confounded data it is far less effective than the vaccine in reducing Covid mortality.

My main issue was that there was empirical evidence that it helped, yet the government did absolutely nothing to confirm it, and arguably throttled such discussion (and maintained restrictions on outdoor activities), because they went all-in on the vaccine being the sole and sufficient pharmacological tool in their belt.

And if 1M people died of Covid, the 300K that might have survived would consider it "pretty darn helpful".

[Reality 3,121]

31 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s amazing how angry many of these so called Americans were at people for declining to be vaccinated.  No I see how authoritarian regimes come about. 

Seems to be the story in these instances. Very angry while virtue signaling.

With all that, it's a bummer when anybody that young dies... 27, brutal. 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

16 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

My main issue was that there was empirical evidence that it helped, yet the government did absolutely nothing to confirm it, and arguably throttled such discussion (and maintained restrictions on outdoor activities), because they went all-in on the vaccine being the sole and sufficient pharmacological tool in their belt.

And if 1M people died of Covid, the 300K that might have survived would consider it "pretty darn helpful".

You're aware that every reputable study of recent has said that ivermectin does nothing, right?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,504]

2 minutes ago, Reality said:

Seems to be the story in these instances. Very angry while virtue signaling.

With all that, it's a bummer when anybody that young dies... 27, brutal. 

Yeah. But damn, what kind of warped mind do you have to want to harm people for making their own health decisions? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,504]

1 minute ago, Shooter McGavin said:

You're aware that every reputable study of recent has said that ivermectin does nothing, right?

So? If people want to take it who cares? 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So? If people want to take it who cares? 

I don't care, but the concern was that people would rely on it to get better and not follow actual medical advice like getting vaccinated or getting rest/fluids/etc.

There was also a concern people would OD on it, like taking the horse version which is not the right human dosage.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,504]

6 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

I don't care, but the concern was that people would rely on it to get better and not follow actual medical advice like getting vaccinated or getting rest/fluids/etc.

There was also a concern people would OD on it, like taking the horse version which is not the right human dosage.

HQC is one of the safest medications ever created. I’ve taken it numerous times.  So you think if people couldn’t take it or ivermectin they would get vaccinated then ? What happened to the right to try law? You can OD on everything in your medicine cabinet. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

30 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

My main issue was that there was empirical evidence that it helped, yet the government did absolutely nothing to confirm it, and arguably throttled such discussion (and maintained restrictions on outdoor activities), because they went all-in on the vaccine being the sole and sufficient pharmacological tool in their belt.

And if 1M people died of Covid, the 300K that might have survived would consider it "pretty darn helpful".

Well the larger point IMO is we don’t know how much of the 30% is due to the confounding factors, and thus I think it’s a stretch for Makary to call it “conclusive evidence.”

But yes, I do agree and have said previously that there could have been more research into things like over the counter items that may have helped, rather than just tell people to drink some Gatorade and come back if you can’t breathe.  This of course goes back to 2020 and thus has nothing to do with any “effective treatments were intentionally suppressed because they were all in on the vax” conspiracies.  And it’s not like they did nothing, HCQ was of course proven ineffective while dexamethasone a cheap generic was proven effective.

[TimHauck 2,906]

14 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

You're aware that every reputable study of recent has said that ivermectin does nothing, right?

Jerry was talking about vitamin D

[Shooter McGavin 618]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

HQC is one of the safest medications ever created. I’ve taken it numerous times.  So you think if people couldn’t take it or ivermectin they would get vaccinated then ? What happened to the right to try law? You can OD on everything in your medicine cabinet. 

The right to try law is for terminally ill patients who have exhausted all other FDA approved treatments, and allows them to try treatments still in the clinical phase, dummy.  Has nothing to do with taking ivermectin, they can take all the ivermectin they can get their hands on.

[Shooter McGavin 618]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Jerry was talking about vitamin D

Oh my bad.  Carry on.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,504]

3 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

The right to try law is for terminally ill patients who have exhausted all other FDA approved treatments, and allows them to try treatments still in the clinical phase, dummy.  Has nothing to do with taking ivermectin, they can take all the ivermectin they can get their hands on.

Ok, I figured that. I was talking about the spirit of a law no one has an issue with. It’s funny they had an issue with an already proven medication that does no harm being tried. Also strike one. X

[Shooter McGavin 618]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ok, I figured that. I was talking about the spirit of a law no one has an issue with. It’s funny they had an issue with an already proven medication that does no harm being tried. 

I already explained it to you, the issue is they will rely on an unproven medication and put themselves at undue risk.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,504]

12 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

I already explained it to you, the issue is they will rely on an unproven medication and put themselves at undue risk.

The risk being not getting vaccinated? 

[TimHauck 2,906]

17 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

The right to try law is for terminally ill patients who have exhausted all other FDA approved treatments, and allows them to try treatments still in the clinical phase, dummy.  Has nothing to do with taking ivermectin, they can take all the ivermectin they can get their hands on.

There were definitely instances of people being denied ivermectin.  But it was after they were already in the hospital being cared for by doctors who didn’t recommend it.  But even ivermectin superfans say it’s too late at that point.

[Reality 3,121]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

The risk being not getting vaccinated? 

Right, was wondering the same, unless they were senior citizens.

[jerryskids 6,827]

50 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

You're aware that every reputable study of recent has said that ivermectin does nothing, right?

You're aware that we were talking about Vitamin D, right?

[TimHauck 2,906]

On 1/2/2023 at 2:32 PM, TimHauck said:

Whoops quoted wrong post

[TimHauck 2,906]

On 1/2/2023 at 2:48 PM, TimHauck said:

Paxlovid is known to result in “bounce-back” cases.  If someone really got Covid twice in 30 days it was probably because of that.  Either that or it was just the same case that never went away.

The study I shared said natural immunity was better than the vaccine too (it was quoted by many here), but it also said natural immunity + vaccine was the best.

What Dubai study?   Does it include data on vaccine + natural immunity together?

 

On 1/2/2023 at 3:31 PM, TimHauck said:

Here is another study with Omicron data showing similar results: natural immunity is better than vaccine immunity, but natural immunity AND vaccine immunity is the best:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.21.22283740v1.full.pdf
 

 

 

 

Bump for @Ultra Max Power.  Which Dubai study were you referring to?  Any thoughts on the more recent study I shared with Omicron data which directly refuted your claims of the vaccine somehow canceling out natural immunity?

[lod001 1,344]

21 hours ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Taking joy in someones death, like the true piece of sh1t you are.  Well done, trash.

Go get your booster, you pile of sh1t. Help out the planet would ya already?

[lod001 1,344]

21 hours ago, Shooter McGavin said:

You're aware that every reputable study of recent has said that ivermectin does nothing, right?

Keep dreaming about your big pharma led 'studies'. Now go get your booster loser.

https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/ivermectins-mechanism-of-action-against?r=1e5u4z&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

10 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Keep dreaming about your big pharma led 'studies'. Now go get your booster loser.

https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/ivermectins-mechanism-of-action-against?r=1e5u4z&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

 

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/ivermectin-hasnt-proven-effective-covid-19-so-far-despite-persistent-online-claims/

[Hardcore troubadour 15,504]

Seriously. If you haven’t gotten a booster or had your kids get the vax, you should really Stfu about this. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

17 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Keep dreaming about your big pharma led 'studies'. Now go get your booster loser.

https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/ivermectins-mechanism-of-action-against?r=1e5u4z&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

 

So an average of less than 700 people per study.  Doesn’t sound very reputable

[Ultra Max Power 214]

47 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

Bump for @Ultra Max Power.  Which Dubai study were you referring to?  Any thoughts on the more recent study I shared with Omicron data which directly refuted your claims of the vaccine somehow canceling out natural immunity?

The Dubai study was shared by Dr. Mobeen during a youtube lecture, I'll have to dig back into my phone and find that one.  

 

Here is an article on unsetting natural immunity. 

Yes, Covid Vaccines UNSET and ERASE Natural Immunity (substack.com)

[Ultra Max Power 214]

Also the new pre-print study from the Cleveland Clinic.  They measured covid levels in their own workforce. 

Study: MRNA Vaccines Increase Risk of Contracting COVID-19; Each Booster Shot Raises Risk Even More in Study of 51,000 Cleveland Clinic Workers – [your]NEWS (yournews.com)

[Reality 3,121]

1 minute ago, Ultra Max Power said:

The Dubai study was shared by Dr. Mobeen during a youtube lecture, I'll have to dig back into my phone and find that one.  

 

Here is an article on unsetting natural immunity. 

Yes, Covid Vaccines UNSET and ERASE Natural Immunity (substack.com)

Initially, getting the vaccine after already having Covid has to be one of the dumbest decisions in human history. Common sense alone should have never let that happen.

Boosters for new variants, targeted for the folks most at risk? I can be talked into that but, forcing people to get vaccinated who already had a documented case of Covid was simply stupid. 

3 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

Also the new pre-print study from the Cleveland Clinic.  They measured covid levels in their own workforce. 

Study: MRNA Vaccines Increase Risk of Contracting COVID-19; Each Booster Shot Raises Risk Even More in Study of 51,000 Cleveland Clinic Workers – [your]NEWS (yournews.com)

Exactly the opposite of how they were sold. Trust the science.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,504]

Tim won’t get the booster or have his kids get the vax. Tell him to stfu until he does.