Systemic Racism

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

The biggest ones though, are within the community... not from the government.

There are zero government obstacles. FFS 

[KSB2424 3,174]

24 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Some of you are so set in your ideas that you can’t change your mind. It is impossible for you to put yourself in someone else position and see how trapped they are.

I think school choice is a start but will still be harder for these kids because after school they have to go bacK to a toxic environment. This is not Black And White it is about Americans who should want to help fellow Americans who want help. They need resources to succeed, SNAP will not do this.

You’re on a tangent.  Helping people who are poor (of any colour) should be done by any caring and first world nation.

I’m asking for examples of SYSTEMIC RACISM. 

 

[Baker Boy 1,712]

Just now, KSB2424 said:

You’re on a tangent.  Helping people who are poor (of any colour) should be done by any caring and first world nation.

I’m asking for examples of SYSTEMIC RACISM. 

 

I gave you examples and you didn’t respond. Sorry go back and read.

[KSB2424 3,174]

15 minutes ago, peenie said:

They don't have the same obstacles and barriers.

Do go on......?  What about the laws of the land, the “system” is not fair based on race?

[MDC 8,215]

1 hour ago, KSB2424 said:

1.  I’m really trying to understand and am not being facetious.

Sure you are.

[peenie 2,033]

When I was a sophomore going into my junior year of high school, this was summer of 1982, I was required to read 4 books over the summer, classics:

Oliver Twist, Red Badge of Courage, Huckleberry Finn and.....Catcher in the Rye

Once I reached my junior year I was given was an SAT preparatory guide book and our general English book. Each week we had to learn 50 words from the SAT guide book. We took preparation tests EVERY WEEK so that we could do well on our PSATs.

Now mind you, I went to private school. You can pay for a good education.

But you know what? That same good education could be had for FREE if you live in a good neighborhood. Those neighborhoods were closed to blacks not just due to skin color but because we cannot afford to live in such places. Even if we have the education, the degree, we were not given the jobs as easily. Affirmative action was put in place because despite being qualified women and blacks were being overlooked for jobs and promotions.

That is the systematic racism that prevents a person from being educated enough to be employed enough to move ahead.

Does it mean that things are not greatly improved, yes they are, but it explains why some people are still stuck.

[KSB2424 3,174]

2 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

I gave you examples and you didn’t respond. Sorry go back and read.

School Choice is your example of systemic racism.  
 

:okay: 

[Bert 1,129]

30 minutes ago, edjr said:

Lets not start this again.

[Baker Boy 1,712]

2 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

School Choice is your example of systemic racism.  
 

:okay: 

Yup, these thing have been happen one at a time for 140 years, plus the rhetoric that has been pushed for decades making many Blacks feel they are victims. 

Millions of people have enough resources to.get their kids into the school of choice why not give the privilege to the people who can’t? Poor schools are a barrier for poorer people.
 

what are the Democrats afraid of with school  choice. 

[jonmx 2,494]

1 hour ago, Baker Boy said:

The government has been holding Blacks back since they were free. Right now it is school choice! How are you suppose to get ahead when have a crappy school With too many crappy students and can’t afford to move. We can talk civil war, Jim Crow.separate but equal, and AFDC which was finally replace by TNAF in 1997. The history is there and it hasn’t stopped.

Sounds like the biggest "systematic racism" is the crime-riden communities they live in.   The root cause is mostly self-inflicted and has nothing to do with the system.  

[peenie 2,033]

Just now, jonmx said:

Sounds like the biggest "systematic racism" is the crime-riden communities they live in.   The root cause is mostly self-inflicted and has nothing to do with the system.  

But those areas are crime ridden because people were placed there as they were not allowed to live elsewhere. There are no jobs in these areas. They resort to crime as a way to sustain themselves. The schools are not very good because good teachers don't work there and those that do work there tend to be teachers that are not fully degreed or certified and that do not stay long. Trust me, I experienced both sides of the fence. The children were equally as smart in my private school as my public school. Just different opportunities so different outcomes.

[jonmx 2,494]

1 minute ago, peenie said:

But those areas are crime ridden because people were placed there as they were not allowed to live elsewhere. There are no jobs in these areas. They resort to crime as a way to sustain themselves. The schools are not very good because good teachers don't work there and those that do work there tend to be teachers that are not fully degreed or certified and that do not stay long. Trust me, I experienced both sides of the fence. The children were equally as smart in my private school as my public school. Just different opportunities so different outcomes.

They have been allowed to live elsewhere for decades.  I have moved dozens of times.  They live there by choice.  Crime is not from people trying to sustain themselves.  Most of the crime is black in black.  Nobody is getting sustained by that.  Good teachers would love to teach in those schools, if their life was not endangered.  In this century no one is coersed to live any where.  Get out of those shitholes.  

[Patented Phil 1,469]

2 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

I see this all the time mentioned as a catch-all but I can’t quite put my finger on where it applies in 2020.  1960? Sure of course, but today?

1.  I’m really trying to understand and am not being facetious.

2.  Is Systemic the same as Institutional Racism.

 If so, to me at least, that means the laws and rules of the land are “racist” as in, education, buying a house, voting, healthcare, employment etc. 

Ever since the Civil Rights movement there are not only Constitutional Amendments but all sorts of laws barring such discrimination.  You cannot legally do that stuff in America.  The “Institution” has spoken.  
 

Of course individuals can be racist.  Human beings are flawed by nature and as long as people look different, have different religions there will always be a certain level of division.  It’s been that since the beginning of time.  Newsflash: it always will too. We are all flawed humans. 
 

But systemic racism, in America, in 2020?  I need some examples.

I’ve been wanting to start this exact topic.  And my post would read exactly as yours.  “Institutional” racism and “systemic” racism are both nonsense.  There is nothing in our laws that disfavor blacks.  Actually, it’s the opposite - they are a protected class.  So in that sense I guess you could call it racist.

I started hearing about institutional racism in the late 80’s.  It was the new thing on college campuses.  It was nonsense then and it’s nonsense now - just like most other crap that that comes out of Liberal academia.

[KSB2424 3,174]

18 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Yup, these thing have been happen one at a time for 140 years, plus the rhetoric that has been pushed for decades making many Blacks feel they are victims. 

Millions of people have enough resources to.get their kids into the school of choice why not give the privilege to the people who can’t? Poor schools are a barrier for poorer people.
 

what are the Democrats afraid of with school  choice. 

Seems to me people are conflating being poor and issues / obstacles that presents therein with “racism”.  You’ve obviously never driven through rural North Carolina. Trailer parks, white poor people, run down schools.  
 

I’m talking Institutional Racism.  Not being poor.  No color can claim being poor for only them. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

1 hour ago, peenie said:

Because it doesn't affect you and because you don't experience it, you think it doesn't exist.

Institutional racism isn’t subjective.  It’s either in the laws or rules, or it isn’t.  Blacks not having the right to vote is institutional racism.  Redlining not being illegal is institutional racism.  Feeling like America doesn’t like black people isn’t institutional racism - it’s your own personal  subjective view.

[KayJay1971 239]

1 hour ago, riversco said:

.  But right now you don't even need college to Lyft yourself out of poverty. 

I see what you did there. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,186]

Been hearing the same group crying and complaining since I can remember. Played out. But keep wrecking everything in your path. That’s gonna work out great.  

[peenie 2,033]

17 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Get out of those shitholes.  

I think that is THE answer right there.

My life improved drastically with a simple move from Newark to Atlanta.

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

4 minutes ago, peenie said:

I think that is THE answer right there.

My life improved drastically with a simple move from Newark to Atlanta.

So you went from blue to red, life got better... now you're going to vote for blue.  LOL

[peenie 2,033]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

So you went from blue to red, life got better... now you're going to vote for blue.  LOL

I don't believe I've mentioned who I'm voting for...

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

Just now, peenie said:

I don't believe I've mentioned who I'm voting for...

Didn't you have a thread that you deleted where you had an argument with your mom and daughter over voting?

[peenie 2,033]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Been hearing the same group crying and complaining since I can remember. Played out. But keep wrecking everything in your path. That’s gonna work out great.  

HT!! That's not fair. Are you implying that school desegregation, voting and civil rights were just complaints?

[peenie 2,033]

Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

Didn't you have a thread that you deleted where you had an argument with your mom and daughter over voting?

Umm....I think in that thread I was simply stating that they were ruthlessly making fun of Biden.

[Strike 6,115]

1 minute ago, peenie said:

HT!! That's not fair. Are you implying that school desegregation, voting and civil rights were just complaints?

Those were all 50+ years ago.

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

6 minutes ago, peenie said:

Umm....I think in that thread I was simply stating that they were ruthlessly making fun of Biden.

Oh, gotchya.  I only knew about the thread existing... it was deleted before I was able to read it.

[peenie 2,033]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

Those were all 50+ years ago.

Okay, so now it's something else.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,186]

39 minutes ago, peenie said:

HT!! That's not fair. Are you implying that school desegregation, voting and civil rights were just complaints?

They were just complaints. Not being able to eat at Woolworth’s was a just complaint. All serious BS along with other issues that should never have happened but have been rectified. Now we are down to reparations and sticking up for violent felons who rape teenagers? Sorry, I get off the bandwagon at that point. 

[KSB2424 3,174]

I’ll keep a tally

1. school choice

2.  ?

[KSB2424 3,174]

4 hours ago, iam90sbaby said:

Systemic racism is whites having to pay for an education that minorities get for free or at a reduced cost. Systemic racism is requiring a lower score for certain races on your SAT or ACT to get into the same university. Systemic racism is whites going to the bottom of an application pile because businesses get a tax break for hiring minorites. 

Things like that are a result of Blacks being set back due to the Jim Crow laws / era which ended in the 1960's.  They were treated horribly and it was an attempt to provide some sort of steroid shot at helping swing the pendulum.  By definition you are correct, everything you mention is Institutional Racism, but there was a reason.  What could be argued is that was 55 years ago so at what point does the "statute of limitations" per se run out.  

[KSB2424 3,174]

Poverty

I always patron a gas station not far from my house because I know the owner, Indian guy, cool as hell.  It's a mile or two towards the poorer part of town but I like shopping local and supporting business nearby, especially if I know the person.  For instance we always get pizza at the corner local pizzeria over ordering Dominoes or some chain.  Shop local and support local small business!

I digress, every time I go there there is a motley crew of people.  Around dusk I see truck loads of Hispanics, always covered in paint and sweat.  They speak zero English but are painters and roofers coming off a hard days work.  It's always one who goes in and buys the case of Bud or Modelo's for the crew.  Inside there is the obese African American lady, standing at the the counter with a baby in one arm crying and picking out a scratch off ticket, wearing what looks to be pajama's....at dusk.   This, or something similar is every, single time.

This is nothing more than an observation.  That's it.  Is that wrong of me to live life and make observations? 

[BiffTannen 1,288]

3 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Poverty

I always patron a gas station not far from my house because I know the owner, Indian guy, cool as hell.  It's a mile or two towards the poorer part of town but I like shopping local and supporting business nearby, especially if I know the person.  For instance we always get pizza at the corner local pizzeria over ordering Dominoes or some chain.  Shop local and support local small business!

I digress, every time I go there there is a motley crew of people.  Around dusk I see truck loads of Hispanics, always covered in paint and sweat.  They speak zero English but are painters and roofers coming off a hard days work.  It's always one who goes in and buys the case of Bud or Modelo's for the crew.  Inside there is the obese African American lady, standing at the the counter with a baby in one arm crying and picking out a scratch off ticket, wearing what looks to be pajama's....at dusk.   

This is nothing more than an observation.  That's it.  Is that wrong of me to live life and make observations? 

This is not an isolated incident. They are inherently rude and inconsiderate. 

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

26 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Things like that are a result of Blacks being set back due to the Jim Crow laws / era which ended in the 1960's.  They were treated horribly and it was an attempt to provide some sort of steroid shot at helping swing the pendulum.  By definition you are correct, everything you mention is Institutional Racism, but there was a reason.  What could be argued is that was 55 years ago so at what point does the "statute of limitations" per se run out.  

I don't care what the reasons were. 

[Baker Boy 1,712]

3 hours ago, jonmx said:

Sounds like the biggest "systematic racism" is the crime-riden communities they live in.   The root cause is mostly self-inflicted and has nothing to do with the system.  

The government created those Communities, rounded them up and put them where they could control them.

[jonmx 2,494]

1 minute ago, Baker Boy said:

The government created those Communities, rounded them up and put them where they could control them.

Ok.  But what is keeping them in now?

[Baker Boy 1,712]

8 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Ok.  But what is keeping them in now?

I guess you don’t understand what it is to be financially dependent on the government with no assets to leave. It has been a way of life for generations for some of these people they don’t know anything different. They are the forgotten Americans.

[KSB2424 3,174]

10 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Ok.  But what is keeping them in now?

Sort of where I am trying to go.  Yes, Jim Crow Laws and the past have to be reconciled and they have by all accounts.   But what is the statute of limitations (for lack of a better phrase) on using that as a crutch?  50 years?  100 years?  Forever?

[Baker Boy 1,712]

wow, I have some of you defending the Deep State. Priceless!
 

Don’t be afraid to see what you see.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,186]

10 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Sort of where I am trying to go.  Yes, Jim Crow Laws and the past have to be reconciled and they have by all accounts.   But what is the statute of limitations (for lack of a better phrase) on using that as a crutch?  50 years?  100 years?  Forever?

When the children of all the illegals from south of the border that they have let in can vote and then the left can let the blacks go. They will have been replaced. 

[Baker Boy 1,712]

3 hours ago, Strike said:

Those were all 50+ years ago.

And look how long to get them, it has been a slow process. Your ancestors had them from day one.

[Strike 6,115]

26 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

And look how long to get them, it has been a slow process. Your ancestors had them from day one.

What?  You mean my grandfather, who immigrated here from China with nothing?  You think Chinese people who didn't speak English were treated well in America a hundred years ago?  My family didn't overcome disadvantages because they weren't black?   GFY racist.