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3 minutes ago, Jarvis Basnight said:

So thankful for adding Mike Davis 2 weeks ago.  Henry sits again.  

My.opponent has Henry, Singletary, Jonnu and Allen. 

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30 minutes ago, Kent said:

My.opponent has Henry, Singletary, Jonnu and Allen. 

I have allen, tannahill and brown in a superflex. I was a 40 point favorite. Now it's a dead heat. 

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This season is bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A-S...

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7 minutes ago, jrokh said:

This season is bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A-S...

Well, the on the bright side, it takes some of the guess work out of choosing my starting line up which has cost me one game this year and almost a second. 

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I'm not going to type a tirade but just say thank you to those that stood for reason, science and common sense in the thread vs the whack-job Q-nuts. People that want to downplay the virus, the use of masks and social distancing are dangerous psychopaths, and it's scary that right wing media has pushed this agenda to the point that a solid 35% of the country believes this nonsense. We'd already be down to isolated outbreaks with heavy contact tracing if this hadn't been politicized by the orange turd in the WH from day one. The USA is a laughing stock to the rest of world on this issue and it's idiots that have pictures of stonewall jackson and confederate flags in their avatars spewing this crap, because who else would it be?

Racism? Can't be real because it doesn't affect me. Why should my tax dollars pay for anybody else's health insurance? If I can get health insurance, everybody should be able to. I have a job, what's their excuse? I'm thin, it's your fault you're fat. I'm not old, so it won't kill me so who cares how many old, or fat, or people in general it kills, as long as it won't kill me?

That's the attitude, that's their attitude about everything. Who cares who's getting hurt as long as it's not them, and they'll believe any set of lies fed to them that feeds that selfishness while allowing themselves to still feel self righteous and superior. 

Sorry, I lied, that was a bit of a tirade, but it's over. /rant

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On 10/7/2020 at 11:03 AM, Phil Simms 11 said:

My first thought was they could add in a second and maybe third BYE week for all teams.  I don't see the season being canceled or a big impact on FF. You would move playoffs one week if the season is extended one week. 

 

The biggest impact will be the "sky is falling" online reactions for positive tests. 

The season will finish.  The fantasy impact this week will be big if they can't play the Titans game. 

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45 minutes ago, erikthebassist said:

The USA is a laughing stock to the rest of world on this issue and it's idiots that have pictures of stonewall jackson and confederate flags in their avatars spewing this crap, because who else would it be?

...but a gorilla flipping off the camera would allow the world to take us seriously. Read a book about historical US figures sometime.

 

47 minutes ago, erikthebassist said:

thank you to those that stood for reason, science and common sense in the thread vs the whack-job Q-nuts

My degree and 23 year career is in science, and I espoused reason and common sense by in my post...and I don't embrace nor believe the Q conspiracy.

 

49 minutes ago, erikthebassist said:

People that want to downplay the virus

Never have nor did. In fact, I emphasized protected the old and vulnerable, while the rest of us carried our country forward

 

50 minutes ago, erikthebassist said:

politicized by the orange turd in the WH from day one.

Didn't support vote for the man....nor Hillary. Wrote in a 3rd party.

Nice try.....

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1 hour ago, erikthebassist said:

Well, the on the bright side, it takes some of the guess work out of choosing my starting line up which has cost me one game this year and almost a second. 

Yeah, I just yanked AJ Brown for Deebo. Rather have his 8-12 points then risk that Titans game getting postponed tuesday morning, if not today...

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45 minutes ago, Kent said:

The season will finish.  The fantasy impact this week will be big if they can't play the Titans game. 

Of everything Schefter is chugging our this morning,  very little is about Tennessee/Buffalo.  Would be great to have more information by 1pm but I'm doubting it 

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20 minutes ago, stonewall said:

...but a gorilla flipping off the camera would allow the world to take us seriously. Read a book about historical US figures sometime.

 

My degree and 23 year career is in science, and I espoused reason and common sense by in my post...and I don't embrace nor believe the Q conspiracy.

 

Never have nor did. In fact, I emphasized protected the old and vulnerable, while the rest of us carried our country forward

 

Didn't support vote for the man....nor Hillary. Wrote in a 3rd party.

Nice try.....

Thanks for the reply. It gives me a better read on you, not better as in, I think better of you, but I now have a better idea of the category of piss-poor thinking you fall into. I'm not going to argue with you. Others have done a better job of pointing out how callous and lacking in any sort of empathy your statements have been, not to mention not factually based. 

The only thing I'll add is that while my rant singled out your highly racist and inflammatory avatar, I was in general referring to not only you but Tanatastic, Weepaw's and any of the other idiots doubting the severity or need for drastic action to curb the spread of Covid, so don't take each individual line item or statement as directed at you specifically.  And that, regardless of other replies, is my final statement on the subject as I don't want to derail the discussion away from football as others have done, but I wanted to be counted as in opposition to this rank stupidity because I think it's that important. I won't get in to the weeds on it though, it's sunday and my mind is on football. 

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2 minutes ago, Jarvis Basnight said:

Of everything Schefter is chugging our this morning,  very little is about Tennessee/Buffalo.  Would be great to have more information by 1pm but I'm doubting it 

ESPN reported that the coach who tested positive hasn't been anywhere near the team facilities in over two weeks so the NFL seems inclined to let the game go ahead barring any further / closer positives between now and then. 

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All of these sit start questions with low tier players, it's almost not worth asking unless you just literally can't make the decision yourself. Might as well flip a coin. I am tossing guys like Keelan Cole and Nelson Agholor into my lineups.

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12 minutes ago, erikthebassist said:

ESPN reported that the coach who tested positive hasn't been anywhere near the team facilities in over two weeks so the NFL seems inclined to let the game go ahead barring any further / closer positives between now and then. 

Then why close the facility?  This means no practice today for Tennessee.   Can't imagine they're going to be very prepared for a Tuesday game 

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15 minutes ago, Jarvis Basnight said:

Then why close the facility?  This means no practice today for Tennessee.   Can't imagine they're going to be very prepared for a Tuesday game 

Abundance of caution, not being at the facility doesn't mean he zero contact with players. Besides, TN DID practice, against league rules. 

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4 hours ago, Kent said:

I can't tell if these are joke posts. Because nobody can be serious with a post like that this far into the pandemic.  

How can anyone not understand how this works by now?  Willful denial?

How are you still in denial about the abundance of fake positives? 

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8 minutes ago, tanatastic said:

How are you still in denial about the abundance of fake positives? 

Without being political, just from a statistical standpoint, the IDEA right now is to create false positives--not in a malicious way, but because a false positive that can be followed up with additional testing is MUCH more desirable than a false negative, in which someone WITH the virus does not produce a positive test and goes around spreading it unaware.

So the sensitivity is cranked way up and we accept that there will be lots of false positives--because retesting to confirm a positive result is better than missing a positive COVID infection because of a false negative.

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3 hours ago, Kent said:

My.opponent has Henry, Singletary, Jonnu and Allen. 

I have Singletary and Allen as well. Putting lev bell in for singletary and herbert in for allen. I I find out tomorrow they are going to play the buff game, I can always switch the QB last minute.

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2 hours ago, erikthebassist said:

regardless of other replies, is my final statement on the subject

A wise policy....because your unfactual and baseless insults, mischaracterizations, and pejoratives I have already called out for what they always represent in written or oral debate....the primary defense of the fallacious and erroneous. 

 

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13 minutes ago, stonewall said:

A wise policy....because your unfactual and baseless insults, mischaracterizations, and pejoratives I have already called out for what they always represent in written or oral debate....the primary defense of the fallacious and erroneous. 

oh gfys, pejoratives and insults are the same thing mr "think I'm smart because I can use 50 cent words even if I don't know what they mean". I'm declining further debate because this is a forum and a thread about football. If you want to make an ass out of yourself go do it on FB. 

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We’ve always voted in person, we received are mail in , and it reads that are vote must reach them no later then seven days after Election Day. 

Now if it’s seven days after Election Day , how does that count towards Election Day? 

Just wondering. 

 

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1 minute ago, weepaws said:

We’ve always voted in person, we received are mail in , and it reads that are vote must reach them no later then seven days after Election Day. 

Now if it’s seven days after Election Day , how does that count towards Election Day? 

Just wondering. 

Oh, were you laboring under the misapperception that your vote for President axually COUNTED?

Google the "Electoral College" sometime...

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Just now, AxeElf said:

Oh, were you laboring under the misapperception that your vote for President axually COUNTED?

Google the "Electoral College" sometime...

Yeah starting to wonder that myself.  

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35 minutes ago, erikthebassist said:

oh gfys, pejoratives and insults are the same thing mr "think I'm smart because I can use 50 cent words even if I don't know what they mean".

I was brought up by my parents and teachers to understand that a well-rounded vocabulary was a desirable characteristic in a young person, and therefore was made to expand upon it incessantly throughout childhood. When did this change....and do you believe that it was a change for the better? I'm assuming that the  "50 cent" words you are referring to are things like "pejorative/fallacious/erroneous"? Aren't these words that you hear used regularly in literature and conversation by "normal" people of average intelligence? (btw, although admittedly somewhat similar, a "pejorative" and an "insult" have quite different usages. Pejorative conveys the idea of words that express contempt or disapproval toward a person or thing, while an insult carries it a step further, in expressing actual disrespect and/or abuse in a remark or action)

Ironically, as one who strives to be honorable and a gentleman (not always successfully), I can respect your position(s) on Covid and how it should be handled moving forward. I actually appreciate hearing all sides of the spectrum on any topic (including politics), which is why I gather my news from many different sources....everything from CNN to Fox. I don't hate...life is too short....and unfounded insults and accusations are never helpful or productive. What I have concluded from my observations and interactions with others through throughout life is that, in the immortal words of Frederick Douglas, "A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me".

Good day.

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14 minutes ago, stonewall said:

I was brought up by my parents and teachers to understand that a well-rounded vocabulary was desirable characteristic in a young person, and therefore was made to expand upon it incessantly throughout childhood. When did this change....and do you believe that it was a change for the better? I'm assuming that the  "50 cent" words you are referring to are things like "pejorative/fallacious/erroneous"? Aren't these words that you hear used regularly in literature and conversation by "normal" people of average intelligence? (btw, although admittedly somewhat similar, a "pejorative" and an "insult" have quite different usages. Pejorative conveys the idea of words that express contempt or disapproval toward a person or thing, while an insult carries it a step further, in expressing actual disrespect and/or abuse in a remark or action)

Ironically, as one who strives to be a gentleman, I can respect your position(s) on Covid and how it should be handled moving forward. I actually appreciate hearing all sides of spectrum on any topic (including politics), which is why I gather my news from many different sources....everything from CNN to Fox. I don't hate...life is too short....and unfounded insults and accusations are never helpful or productive. What I have concluded from my observations and interactions with others through throughout life is that, in the immortal words of Frederick Douglas, "A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me.

Good day.

Like I said, I had your type pegged when you said you wrote in your vote. You're the type that believes you are intellectually superior to almost everybody and attempts to show that by using big words. I too have an extensive vocabulary but I keep it check because I know what it sounds like to normal people of average intelligence, pompous. That's what you sound like, pompous. 

A pejorative and insult were redundant in this context. Not a single epidemiologist or infectious disease expert (that isn't a crank or a quack) would suggest we quarantine the old or comorbid while allowing every one else to operate normally, and the fact that you would ignore the actual recommendations of the entire established field is what reinforces what invective I did hurl in your general direction. 

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55 minutes ago, erikthebassist said:

Like I said, I had your type pegged when you said you wrote in your vote.

So, we are to conclude that, according to your abilities to insightfully read and "peg" people, Americans that couldn't stomach the thought of either Trump or Clinton in the Oval Office, and therefore chose to vote for a 3rd-party candidate that they felt would be a better choice for the nation, are pompous idiots with delusions of grandeur? Got it.

 

55 minutes ago, erikthebassist said:

I too have an extensive vocabulary but I keep it check because I know what it sounds like

Then why possess it? Again I ask, when did it become inadvisably frowned upon to use the vocabulary that you were trained and encouraged to use as a child by parents and teachers, and is this really a good thing for America?

 

55 minutes ago, erikthebassist said:

Not a single epidemiologist or infectious disease expert (that isn't a crank or a quack) would suggest we quarantine the old or comorbid while allowing every one else to operate normally

So, any and all epidemiologists and infectious disease experts that disagree with your assertions are cranks or quacks? Got it.

I would love to be a fly on the wall while you had an intelligent conversation with Dr. John Ioannidis, a Harvard-trained doctor of internal medicine, infectious disease specialist and professor of medicine at Stanford University, among many other leading medical professions in the field, who disagree. In fact, Infectious disease experts and epidemiologists from universities like Stanford, Yale, Harvard and Oxford say current shelter-in-place policies are not effectively protecting vulnerable people from COVID-19, while devastating public health in ways that will lead to irreparable harm for years to come.

Full article here: https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/stanford-professor-warns-covid-shelter-in-place-orders-are-killing-people/2376796/

Or, if you really like researching this stuff, you might find this interesting from the BBC:

Thousands of scientists and health experts have joined a global movement warning of "grave concerns" about Covid-19 lockdown policies. Nearly 6,000 experts, including dozens from the UK, say the approach is having a devastating impact on physical and mental health as well as society. They are calling for protection to be focused on the vulnerable, while healthy people get on with their lives.

Full article here: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54442386

You see, that's the difference between us, and, in fact, the very thing that is tearing us apart as a nation....and if it is not thwarted immediately, we will not have a civilized nation to pass down to our kids and grandkids. Literally. It will destroy us. I have already told you that I can respect your opinion on the matter, even though I disagree. I feel no need to look down on others who feel differently than myself. Why should I? It's their opinion. We are (or were) a nation that encourages the free exchange of ideas. We used to be able to do this as Americans, but you are apparently one of the millions, on both sides of the isle, that now have lost possession of that ability. Instead, you deride and disparage anyone who feels differently than yourself, as well as stop your ears and close your eyes to any information, even from experts in the field, that doesn't fit your narrative. So I ask........who is actually being pompous and feinting intellectual superiority?  

I would humbly ask that you reconsider the destructive and closeminded approach that you (and, again, millions of others) currently employ in these types of matters. Or, just keep diggin'..........

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57 minutes ago, stonewall said:

So, any and all epidemiologists and infectious disease experts that disagree with your assertions are cranks or quacks? Got it.

I would love to be a fly on the wall while you had an intelligent conversation with Dr. John Ioannidis...

I read the Santa Clara study when it was released, and watched as it got eviscerated through peer review. This is the same guy that was lobbying the white house not to lockdown back in March, while everyone else was warning that a failure to act could lead to 100's of thousands, even millions of unnecessary deaths. 

The predictions made by this study turned out to be wrong, as we now know the death rate is right about 3% across all ages, obviously heavily slanted as you get older but by no means harmless to those in their 30 and 40's when it still settles in at 1% or higher. 

Follow the money. His study was funded by Jet Blue. You accept the opinion of tiny minority of detractors from the common consensus because it fits your preconceived notions about what is true. That is not scientific or logical thinking. 

The free exchange of ideas is one thing, but advocating for a POV that could kill millions were it to be followed is not just expressing an opinion, it's akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater. It's irresponsible. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Cretins said:

I wouldn't say laughing stock.  From here it's more like a mix of shock, disbelief and even pity. The numbers coming out of the States are mind blowing, and not in a good way.  

That wasn't actually my quote....it belonged to erikthebassist

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8 hours ago, erikthebassist said:

The USA is a laughing stock to the rest of world on this issue

I wouldn't say laughing stock.  From here it's more like a mix of shock, disbelief and even pity. The numbers coming out of the States are mind blowing, and not in a good way.  

(quote attribution corrected)

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10 hours ago, erikthebassist said:

I read the Santa Clara study when it was released, and watched as it got eviscerated through peer review. This is the same guy that was lobbying the white house not to lockdown back in March, while everyone else was warning that a failure to act could lead to 100's of thousands, even millions of unnecessary deaths. 

The predictions made by this study turned out to be wrong, as we now know the death rate is right about 3% across all ages, obviously heavily slanted as you get older but by no means harmless to those in their 30 and 40's when it still settles in at 1% or higher. 

Follow the money. His study was funded by Jet Blue. You accept the opinion of tiny minority of detractors from the common consensus because it fits your preconceived notions about what is true. That is not scientific or logical thinking. 

The free exchange of ideas is one thing, but advocating for a POV that could kill millions were it to be followed is not just expressing an opinion, it's akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater. It's irresponsible. 

 

According to the CDC:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

(scroll down to table 1)

Death rate:

0-19 years: 0.00003 (0.003%)
20-49 years: 0.0002 (0.02%)
50-69 years: 0.005 (0.5%)
70+ years: 0.054 (5.4%}

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22 hours ago, tanatastic said:

How are you still in denial about the abundance of fake positives? 

It’s not denial when we’ve known since the start the tests have a percentage of false positives.  Surely you know this too.  The tests aren’t great and it’s not some big secret.

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8 hours ago, Goggins said:

According to the CDC:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

(scroll down to table 1)

Death rate:

0-19 years: 0.00003 (0.003%)
20-49 years: 0.0002 (0.02%)
50-69 years: 0.005 (0.5%)
70+ years: 0.054 (5.4%}

 

5 hours ago, Old School said:

Don’t let facts stop a whacked out argument.

Because most people won't click through or even attempt to understand what those numbers are or mean...

1. Those numbers are an estimate based on modelling and not a reflection of the actual data we have so far. They are a future prediction that governments can use to base public policy off of. The numbers cherry picked to put in this thread are what they called "most likely" case. The "worst case" had death rates for 70+ of 9.4%.

2. These numbers are based on "Infection Death Ratio" which is very different than the number most people use which is the "Case Death Rate". The IDR assumes that the number of actual cases is drastically higher than the number of confirmed cases because most people with mild or no symptoms will never be tested. CDR is MOSTLY people who have symptoms that got tested, although is does include a small number of asymptomatic cases found due to contact tracing. IDR will always be way lower than CDR. 

For a good discussion about the difference between these numbers see here: https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=~USA#case-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-by-age

Note: My 3% is still a reasonable generic figure to use for the purposes of discussion when talking about all ages, all health conditions and both sexes across time. We also still have 210k deaths since March no matter how many charts you think prove your point. 

 

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20 minutes ago, erikthebassist said:

 

Because most people won't click through or even attempt to understand what those numbers are or mean...

1. Those numbers are an estimate based on modelling and not a reflection of the actual data we have so far. They are a future prediction that governments can use to base public policy off of. The numbers cherry picked to put in this thread are what they called "most likely" case. The "worst case" had death rates for 70+ of 9.4%.

2. These numbers are based on "Infection Death Ratio" which is very different than the number most people use which is the "Case Death Rate". The IDR assumes that the number of actual cases is drastically higher than the number of confirmed cases because most people with mild or no symptoms will never be tested. CDR is MOSTLY people who have symptoms that got tested, although is does include a small number of asymptomatic cases found due to contact tracing. IDR will always be way lower than CDR. 

For a good discussion about the difference between these numbers see here: https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=~USA#case-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-by-age

Note: My 3% is still a reasonable generic figure to use for the purposes of discussion when talking about all ages, all health conditions and both sexes across time. We also still have 210k deaths since March no matter how many charts you think prove your point. 

 

But you said “death rate.”  Should have clarified and said CFR.

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