protesters tear down barricades and storm US Capitol

[Voltaire 5,317]

10 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Volty - each state reviewed all of it multiple times with Republicans leading the review. Then there were appeals to the courts with many presided over by Republican appointees (including those appointed by Trump). None proceeded. What does that tell you?

Pick a lawsuit, pick the most juicy fake one you know about. Preferably one tossed out by a Trump appointed judge. Let's take a look at it.

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14 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I know he urged them to come to DC but, again, I never heard him urge them to storm the capitol.

As for your claim of 'no credible evidence', I know that is what the MSM story says but I have seen it, you and others here say it as well as a mantra, I've spent a long time going over it, I've posted links... now I do reaffirm and return the brotherhood sentiment with you, that will never change, but it boggles my mind that you can still tell me directly that there is no evidence after all the links I've posted in these past weeks before I took my hiatus. I can't unsee the carboard in Detroit going up to block out poll observers, I can't unsee the woman in Atlanta pulling those suitcases out from under the table with nobody around.

The security footage from Atlanta is damning times a trillion and alone puts a lie to this claim.

 I've seen the evidence, unfiltered direct testimonial and video footage not the second  "nothing to see here, Trump people are lying, back to you, Don" reports from CNN  as have these people and will tell you in no uncertain terms that that is not the case in he slightest, it does not align with what I have seen or what these people have seen. These ballots and security envelopes have never been independently checked and verified and will likely get shredded rather than audited and compared to voter rolls. Wisconsin may be different, the Stop the Steal people were on he brink of securing an audit, but I'd tuned out and stopped following the news in disgust before that was resolved. Like I say, I have been using computer games and lately Sudoku as therapy to get my mind off this bullsh*t. I expect more of the same. I see the country falling apart and the "president elect*" as illegitimate and I'm done. 

This thing could be at least 80% cleared up and resolved if they let an audit look at those ballots and security envelopes but they are fighting like mad to prevent it from happening. I can't help but use my imagination to guess why.

 

His little toadie Rudy Drippyani this morning urged the Clownzo loyalists to engage in "trial by combat." He should face sedition charges for this. Clownzo urged his loyalists to attend this event. This sad bag of scabs needs to go to prison.

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1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

Pick a lawsuit, pick the most juicy fake one you know about. Preferably one tossed out by a Trump appointed judge. Let's take a look at it.

I probably shouldn't have typed that. I can think of a particularly stupid one that I can not in good conscience defend.

[Voltaire 5,317]

1 minute ago, Rusty Syringes said:

His little toadie Rudy Drippyani this morning urged the Clownzo loyalists to engage in "trial by combat." He should face sedition charges for this. Clownzo urged his loyalists to attend this event. This sad bag of scabs needs to go to prison.

I'd like to see the context. Link, please. Thanks.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

4 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Pick a lawsuit, pick the most juicy fake one you know about. Preferably one tossed out by a Trump appointed judge. Let's take a look at it.

I think he is 1-59 with the 1 being a minor adjustment. How about you pick one that decision that is egregious including hitting up a stacked SCOTUS.?

[Rusty Syringes 478]

Just now, Voltaire said:

I probably shouldn't have typed that. I can think of a particularly stupid one that I can not in good conscience defend.

Some 60 lawsuits tossed, many by his appointed judges, including three Supreme Court pick.

Clownzo is insane.

[Voltaire 5,317]

3 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

I think he is 1-59 with the 1 being a minor adjustment. How about you pick one that doesn’t have merit including hitting up a stacked SCOTUS.?

Which of the 60 do you hate the most?

I've only looked at a half dozen of them. I'm going in blind to the other 54 and concede one is ... meh...

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

3 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Which of the 59 do you hate the most?

I've only looked at a half dozen of them. I'm going in blind to the other 54 and concede one is ... meh...

They all are a huge reach, which is why they were shut down right away. Lots of accusations with nothing behind them. You have a crazy Rudy and other loon lawyers posing these. More of a series of SNL skits than legal proceedings.

Did you ever wonder why law firms ran from these?

[nobody 2,690]

The problem is dudes showing up in the middle of the night with suit cases isn't enough evidence in a court of law.  It's like OJ not being convicted even though everyone knows he did it.

We all know what happened.  Just because they didn't pull out stacks of fake Biden ballots and make it rain for the cameras on the way in to the counting stations doesn't mean the suit cases weren't filled with Biden ballots.

[Voltaire 5,317]

3 hours ago, 5-Points said:

Did Mitch McConnell just say, with a straight face, that "criminal behavior will never dominate the United States Congress?" 

The United States Congress epitomizes criminal behavior. 

Mitch McConnell long ago mastered the art of being able to saying anything with a straight face. The man once made a tactical error and was boxed into a corner where he decided to fillibuster his own bill. He's capable and willing to say anything.

 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

8 minutes ago, nobody said:

The problem is dudes showing up in the middle of the night with suit cases isn't enough evidence in a court of law.  It's like OJ not being convicted even though everyone knows he did it.

We all know what happened.  Just because they didn't pull out stacks of fake Biden ballots and make it rain for the cameras on the way in to the counting stations doesn't mean the suit cases weren't filled with Biden ballots.

When you don’t know the difference between cases that they use to transport ballots and a suit case, then maybe you could misunderstand it. If the local and State Republican oversight folks don’t catch it, the Republican AG, Republican appointed judges and Trump’s butt boy AG all saying there was no fraud, then maybe Trump is feeding you lies because he can’t admit he lost. He has lied from Day 1 and you all accepted it, so you should not be surprised. You are like battered women.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Mitch McConnell long ago mastered the art of being able to saying anything with a straight face. The man once made a tactical error and was boxed into a corner where he decided to fillibuster his own bill. He's capable and willing to say anything.

 

Yet McConnell has been sticking up for Trump the last years through tons of lies. He finally realized he can’t cover up anymore 

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9 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

They all are a huge reach, which is why they were shut down right away. Lots of accusations with nothing behind them. You have a crazy Rudy and other loon lawyers posing these. More of a series of SNL skits than legal proceedings.

Did you ever wonder why law firms ran from these?

He defended the call to Raffensperger, earlier. You’re not going to get anywhere here. He thinks every single website that has gone over the election fraud claims and debunked them, one by one, are all lying. He thinks the Republicans in those swing states, that Trump claims he won, are lying. He’s unreachable at this point.

The Volty we knew and loved is dead.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Just now, OldMaid said:

He defended the call to Raffensperger, earlier. You’re not going to get anywhere here. He thinks every single website that has gone over the election fraud claims and debunked them, one by one, are all lying. He thinks the Republicans in those swing states, that Trump claims he won, are lying. He’s unreachable at this point.

The Volty we knew and loved is dead.

He can’t vote anymore anyway.

[OldMaid 2,130]

Just now, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

He can’t vote anymore anyway.

Oh yes he can and he does.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Just now, OldMaid said:

Oh yes he can and he does.

well, he is one of many misinformed voters - on both sides. I hope we tax his offshore earnings for covering his ass when he needs to escape.

[Voltaire 5,317]

2 hours ago, DonS said:

Some people did something.

 I love this take.

2 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

I would be shocked if fans don't storm the court and attack these players the next time you let them in.  But they may never let them in again.

They are in the entertainment business. They're going to let fans in to collect the revenue.

And when that happens, who's going to spend money on tickets to attend a game and hope another 100 like-minded people will want to go toe-to-toe with 6'10 professional athletes in perfect shape physically minus a few bumbs and bruises?

The most you get is a cascade of boos like the one the KC fans delivered on the TNF game that opened the football season when the sh*tbags 'showed unity' or whatever by kneeling for the anthem. That was pretty greata, I have to say.

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3 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

well, he is one of many misinformed voters - on both sides. I hope we tax his offshore earnings for covering his ass when he needs to escape.

I’m hoping once Trump fades away into the sunset he’ll snap out of it. He was always a reasonable guy before all of this. I can’t say for sure, but it seemed like the kneeling NFL players are what started it.

[Voltaire 5,317]

1 hour ago, Cdub100 said:

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I presumed this was the case. I know that he'd told people to go home and the he sent in the National Guard before MDC made that post because I can timestamp that action to before I fell asleep and I'm just now going through pages and pages of what was posted after that, nearly done. MDC clarified and said he encouraged then to raid the capitol which, well, I don't think we'll see that link.

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1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

I presumed this was the case. I know that he'd told people to go home and the he sent in the National Guard before MDC made that post because I can timestamp that action to before I fell asleep and I'm just now going through pages and pages of what was posted after that, nearly done. MDC clarified and said he encouraged then to raid the capitol which, well, I don't think we'll see that link.

I expect nothing but lies from the left. Our newist leftest TimHack tried to lie and suggest I said the police are in on the capital raid. 

I expect nothing less and I expect the normies who watch the evening news to be totally miss informed on what happened today. Par for the last four years.

[Gepetto 1,371]

 

Sen. Loefler GA changed her mind and did not sign to contest Georgia Presidential vote.  https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tally-live-updates/2021/01/06/954251826/some-republican-senators-begin-to-walk-back-objections-to-election-results  

 

What a wishy washy cowardly . 

 

So when do we get our $2,000 checks?!  Might as well adapt to this b.s. than let it harm us.

[Voltaire 5,317]

2 hours ago, Fnord said:

Reports are that Trump refused to send in the National Guard and Pence is the one who made the call. You know, Pence, the guy who was being targeted by the big Orange orangutan and all his sycophants. Pence has been nothing but a loyal Trump bootlicker for the entire term. And Trump turns on him the instant it's convenient. Trump in a nutshell.

Trump turned on Pence? Wow. I'm going to have some reading to do. Scanning the headlines, I did see that Pence wasn't going to deny the electors in the their votes, and I agree that he shouldn't. Should he reject any electors, that action ought to be triggered by the various state legislatures themselves de-certifying their electors, not by the Vice President refusing to receive them.

What Trump said, or how he reacted, eh... I skipped it and was playing Sudoku. I don't have the stamina or enthusiasm for this cr@p anymore, although watching the Capitol getting stormed was rather riveting and worth tuning in to.

Also,  I think you're a great addition to the Geek Club and appreciate your insights.

[tubby_mcgee 701]

So this argument isn't solved yet?

Here's the bottom line.  Neither side is gonna say "Welp, yep, ya got me there. You win!"

How does every playground argument end?  A full out fight with everything each side has.

Might as well get there sooner than later and see who is tougher.

Seriously. Arguments don't end with "okay, lets agree to disagree".

I want to see if the libs are as tough as they say they are.  My money says the libs get put down faster than they can try to hide in red shirts. 

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So I haven’t been keeping up with it anymore. Anything gone on there tonight? Any buildings being burnt, stores being looted, or people being randomly beaten? 

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1 hour ago, Rusty Syringes said:

His little toadie Rudy Drippyani this morning urged the Clownzo loyalists to engage in "trial by combat." He should face sedition charges for this. Clownzo urged his loyalists to attend this event. This sad bag of scabs needs to go to prison.

Did you care when cuomo announced to the world who says protests need to be peaceful?  Dems set the rules and cry when the right decides to fight the same way

[Voltaire 5,317]

 

25 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

I expect nothing but lies from the left. Our newist leftest TimHack tried to lie and suggest I said the police are in on the capital raid. 

I expect nothing less and I expect the normies who watch the evening news to be totally miss informed on what happened today. Par for the last four years.

On the previous page, someone posted a link to Trump's speech and when I clicked it, I say that it was timestamped 2/3 in and I thought " great" ... and it was moments before the beginning of the speech.  Granted I do like to get things in context, I've always been big on that, but I'd not intended to put in the time to watch the entire speech, especially in the highly unlikely event that what they're claiming is true.

Besides, I just went through this exact same propaganda lying debunking exercise the day before last, reading through the long-ass transcript of Trump's phone call with the Georgia SoS looking for where Trump tells the guy to find 11.9K ballots. "The media says, he wanted the guy to find 11.9K ballots, soulds like bure bullsh*t, I'll have to take a look." Before doing so, I posted and made clear that finding 11.9K ballots would be wholly illegal and de-legitimize the effort. Which is the exact opposite of what he has alwys claimed that he want. He want sunlight and integrity restored. They counted a bunch of ballots that were pulled out from under a tablecloth after election observers were sent/told to go home and shuffled them in with the real ballots. There is video footage of this, not that the head-in-the-sand people care. I can't imagine what goes through their mind. Worms did click, his reaction was to not talk about he footage, just to say that OAN isn't credible.  Anyway, that needs investigation and that was one of Trump's main points. So then, I'm reading and reading. Trump is going over that and all the irregularities. All the bullsh*t they found. In fairness, as Susie pointed out, the guy denied any misconduct occurred ...

...again smoking gun video evidence exists in his state and he does nothing but I digress...

... but anyway, a good long ways in, 2/3 down, I reach the relevent point.  Trump wasn't asking him to print up 11.9K ballots. That's what it appears highly likely the Biden people did and is exactly the sort of action we object to. He wants the guy to get off his ass and look. Sunshine disinfects. These ballots were smuggled in, pulled out from under a table, and counted after the observers were sent home (water pipe 'sent home" 'told to go home', whatever, semantics fock off, while they were out of the room.) It's just a string of 200K for this and 50K for that and all these dead people voting and whatnot. Anyway, if they guy bothered to look, he would easily find 11.9K votes, he may well find hundreds of thousands, he just refused. That was the context. It's nothing different than what he's been saying all along. If he goes through the ballots and the security envelopes and audits the results, there's a good chance they'll find huge irregularities. 

 

[Voltaire 5,317]

 

1 hour ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

They all are a huge reach, which is why they were shut down right away. Lots of accusations with nothing behind them. You have a crazy Rudy and other loon lawyers posing these. More of a series of SNL skits than legal proceedings.

Did you ever wonder why law firms ran from these?

You know what would really work? Not this. But you smelled the trap. These cases are getting thrown out on technical grounds. They aren't looking at the evidence.

The evidence is testimonial which can be countered by counter testimonial. It was circumstantial, it was based on statistical improbabilities which I do concede 99.999%, or whatever, isn't 100%. While, the Dominon voting system testimony seemed damning, the guy knew what he was talking about, I can't argue it because I simply don't understand it. The math I can follow; once upon a time I got an A in probability and statistics. But explanations of how the programming can be altered.... shoot me. Besides, these are case by case things, they aren't arguing about Dominion machine tampering in the Georgia case, as they are in Michigan. Presumably, that means that Georgia is within a standard deviation or two of the norm.

Look, this is what would work: to audit the ballots and the security envelopes they came in. Compare them to voter registration, do a signature verification. These ballots were -allegedly- smuggled in and shuffled in with the legitimate ones. So you go through and see if there's evidence to support that. Sunlight disinfects.And so long as election officials, the very same people we see on camera harassing and bullying observers and preventing them form doing their job, are hiding those ballots from scrutiny or inspection, I don't trust the results for sh*t. It doesn't matter what a court says.

There are hundreds/thousands of people making sworn testimony of dubious practices that what went on in the precincts and counting centers and we're being denies a chance to look at those ballots. They're far more likely to get shredded than to ever be audited. Without an audit, I don't trust the results. Period.

[Gepetto 1,371]

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https://people.com/politics/woman-fatally-shot-during-riot-us-capitol-identified-family-members/

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1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

 

You know what would really work? Not this. But you smelled the trap. These cases are getting thrown out on technical grounds. They aren't looking at the evidence.

The evidence is testimonial which can be countered by counter testimonial. It was circumstantial, it was based on statistical improbabilities which I do concede 99.999%, or whatever, isn't 100%. While, the Dominon voting system testimony seemed damning, the guy knew what he was talking about, I can't argue it because I simply don't understand it. The math I can follow; once upon a time I got an A in probability and statistics. But explanations of how the programming can be altered.... shoot me. Besides, these are case by case things, they aren't arguing about Dominion machine tampering in the Georgia case, as they are in Michigan. Presumably, that means that Georgia is within a standard deviation or two of the norm.

Look, this is what would work: to audit the ballots and the security envelopes they came in. Compare them to voter registration, do a signature verification. These ballots were -allegedly- smuggled in and shuffled in with the legitimate ones. So you go through and see if there's evidence to support that. Sunlight disinfects.And so long as election officials, the very same people we see on camera harassing and bullying observers and preventing them form doing their job, are hiding those ballots from scrutiny or inspection, I don't trust the results for sh*t. It doesn't matter what a court says.

There are hundreds/thousands of people making sworn testimony of dubious practices that what went on in the precincts and counting centers and we're being denies a chance to look at those ballots. They're far more likely to get shredded than to ever be audited. Without an audit, I don't trust the results. Period.

Volt they are still lying. There are several major election suits in litigation 

Source

[Voltaire 5,317]

4 hours ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Yet McConnell has been sticking up for Trump the last years through tons of lies. He finally realized he can’t cover up anymore 

This is absurd. Were you born yesterday?

McConnell has been in Washington for as long as I can remember, he's seen presidents come and go, he's seen senate majorities come and go. He's played offense and defense and is willing to say things and take positions in the majority or the minority that are exactly the opposite of what he'd said when the shoe was on the other foot. The only thing consistent is his positions always serve his interests. He simply waited out Trump, who has only been on the scene for four years.

He's the face of GOP establishment insider crooked cronyism. And he didn't start being a crooked insider in 2017, no, that stink's been on him for decades. I remember starting hating him for his role in opposition to the campaign finance reform bill, long before he became GOP leader in the Senate. That got worse for his role, together with Vice President Biden, in the fiscal cliff negotiation. Up until five minutes ago, I was a deficit hawk and my avatar dates to that time. So I have no love for the guy. I did warm to him somewhat because he had been using his impressive political tactical strategies in helping Trump on a number of issues.

It was a year into the Trump administration that I started embracing the president and that was for his role in trade negotiations. That was when his populism kicked in, For Trump's first year, I thought we had a dumber version of Jeb! in the White House. I didn't support the tax cuts in 2017 and was glad when McConnell didn't succeed in getting Obamacare overturned. Since the 1990s, the stars have really only re-aligned me with McConnell for these last three years, and I never had any delusions about him at any time, for most of his career I disliked him and and have known all along what he was about. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,489]

The people who did violence today have to be arrested and charged and put on trial. There is enough video evidence and eyewitnesses to it that it shouldn’t be hard to locate and apprehend them. Political violence leads to more political violence and this should be the line in the sand and we need to deal with it now and put a stop to it.  That’s the fist part of the problem. But if we can have a four year investigation into Russian interference in our last election then we can also have an investigation into this one and the many, many allegations of voter fraud, that are much more credible than that farce. A problem here is and Trump is to blame, is the false hope that he gave that somehow this election would be overturned. That was never happening. It reminds me of all the deflection that Hillary offered up in 2016 for her loss, never taking the blame for her horrible campaign. Said it was racism blah blah. Trump kept yapping about how compromised the mail in voting was going to be, and it was, but didn’t do much about it. He was arrogant just like her and didn’t do the groundwork beforehand.  Biden has 1000 lawyers standing by for voter fraud. Where was Trumps army of lawyers? Stop the steal? How about preventing it in the first place? Lazy and arrogant, just like Hillary. He just has better policy. But I’m willing to say, unfair as it might be that all those leftist thugs got away with their political violence all summer, that this needs to end now. And the election needs to be investigated with as much zeal as the Russia hoax was on behalf of the likes of Hillary Clinton. Millions of Americans want answers and solutions and their concerns are just as important as hers and her elitist cronies were. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The people who did violence today have to be arrested and charged and put on trial. There is enough video evidence and eyewitnesses to it that it shouldn’t be hard to locate and apprehend them.  

This will never happen because if they try, the public will respond will a nationwide revolt.  then you are looking at jailing half of Virginia, etc.   That was easily 100k Trump supporters at the Capitol on 1/6.  You can't make concentration camps big enough to hold them all.

the government effectively fell on 1/6.  if they try to prosecute those who stormed the capitol, its full blown war. if they don't, theyve lost their authority.  the US is over.

I saw video of nice old elderly men and old women just sitting there nice in the Senate / House chambers to protest.  Yeah, go ahead and haul their ass to prison and see what happens.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

4 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Did you care when cuomo announced to the world who says protests need to be peaceful?  Dems set the rules and cry when the right decides to fight the same way

This.  Havent skimmed through the last few pages.  But we have fredo asking why protests  have to be peaceful.  We have Pelosi in 2018 wondering why there wasnt uprising all over the U.S. We have Waters telling people that if they see anyone involved with Trump out in public to harass them.   We have Kamala posting about places to go to donate fot protester bail funds.   We have every MSM claiming BLM mostly peaceful as they stand in front of things burning as people throw molotov cocktails.

I understand the reaponse is "well 2 wrongs dont make a right". Which they dont.  The point is the Left and Left Wing media normalized this behavior.  It shouldnt be a shock to anyone.  The far right just called and raised.  It is such a shock because it is the Capitol Building with some wild images.  If it were a row of mom and pop stores in Kenosha back in the Summer no one on the left would care.   CNN would hardly mention it.  They would encourage it like they did before.  

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8 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

This will never happen because if they try, the public will respond will a nationwide revolt.  then you are looking at jailing half of Virginia, etc.   That was easily 100k Trump supporters at the Capitol on 1/6.  You can't make concentration camps big enough to hold them all.

the government effectively fell on 1/6.  if they try to prosecute those who stormed the capitol, its full blown war. if they don't, theyve lost their authority.  the US is over.

I saw video of nice old elderly men and old women just sitting there nice in the Senate / House chambers to protest.  Yeah, go ahead and haul their ass to prison and see what happens.

I said the ones who did violence and to expand, destruction.  

[JustinCharge 2,397]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I said the ones who did violence and to expand, destruction.  

doesnt matter one bit.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,489]

1 minute ago, JustinCharge said:

doesnt matter one bit.

Why’s that? Arresting and charging them is some difficult feat?

[supermike80 1,925]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why’s that? Arresting and charging them is some difficult feat?

Apparently according to this complete and total nutbag, there is no law left in the USA because if we go after an prosecute the ones that broke windows, or attacked the police, there will be anarchy.

So go ahead and do what you want I guess.....You can't be punished according to the lunatics.

[supermike80 1,925]

I did tell the wife last night how interesting it was that this whole mess was effectivelyy stopped once law enforcement showed their strength.  Wonder how things would have gone in Portland if this happened.   It sure was a good example of how to shut down these things quickly.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

26 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why’s that? Arresting and charging them is some difficult feat?

its still going to cause a nationwide revolt if they try it.  this republican base wants to be free, not law and order.