protesters tear down barricades and storm US Capitol

[JustinCharge 2,397]

11 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I did tell the wife last night how interesting it was that this whole mess was effectivelyy stopped once law enforcement showed their strength.  Wonder how things would have gone in Portland if this happened.   It sure was a good example of how to shut down these things quickly.

thats like saying the redcoats sure shut things down quickly once they showed their strength at the boston massacre.

[supermike80 1,928]

2 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

thats like saying the redcoats sure shut things down quickly once they showed their strength at the boston massacre.

You are a lunatic and I hope you get the help you need.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

5 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

You are a lunatic and I hope you get the help you need.

Reducto ad absurdum is often used by guilty parties or by people who know, deep down, they are losing the argument or are in the wrong.  By using it, you imply that you know I've been right for years to warn of civil unrest and civil war, and you don't like it, so you just call me crazy.

[supermike80 1,928]

Just now, JustinCharge said:

Reducto ad absurdium is often used by guilty parties or by people who know, deep down, they are losing the argument or are in the wrong.  By using it, you imply that you know I've been right for years to warn of civil unrest and civil war, and you don't like it, so you just call me crazy.

I call you crazy because I honestly and truly believe you are crazy.   Thats the only reason.  You are everything that's wrong in this country and I hope you are an aberration.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Can the government try mass arrests in the face of these events?  Will they?  Historical precedent says no. 

The Troubles was civil unrest in northern Ireland in the 20th century between Catholics and Protestants, mostly in Belfast.  The focus of law enforcement was not mass arrests.  Instead, they constructed 25 foot tall WALLS, over 60 of them, weaving thru streets across the city, complete with guard towers and checkpoints.  In effect, it was Escape from New York but in real life.  Because you cannot control 100k people when they assemble to march and riot.  So you wall everything up to make it damn near impossible for 100k people to assemble at all.

Its interesting to note that the left hates the idea of Trump's wall but they were ALL FOR the Belfast walls.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_lines

[TimmySmith 2,782]

48 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I did tell the wife last night how interesting it was that this whole mess was effectivelyy stopped once law enforcement showed their strength.  Wonder how things would have gone in Portland if this happened.   It sure was a good example of how to shut down these things quickly.

Are you honestly comparing the mass destruction and burning of many cities, tallied into the billions of dollars to a couple of broken windows? And those you disagree with are the lunatics? 1000s looting vs a few "breaking" in.  It was effectively "stopped" because it was never a riot. Portland would have still happened because it was.

[supermike80 1,928]

11 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Are you honestly comparing the mass destruction and burning of many cities, tallied into the billions of dollars to a couple of broken windows? And those you disagree with are the lunatics? 1000s looting vs a few "breaking" in.  It was effectively "stopped" because it was never a riot. Portland would have still happened because it was.

I think a better show of police force in Portland would have quelled a lot of it, but the democratic leaders there were too afraid.

As far as calling those I disagree with lunatics, that's just not true.  I don't agree with some of what Cdub says and has said...he's not a lunatic.

The other guy is.  Plain and simple.  

[drobeski 3,061]

>leftists riot for months, burn entire cities and destroy countless small businesses
>make not one but two autonomous zones with the express purpose of being separate from the union
>it's "mostly peaceful" violence
>all of a sudden rioting is bad now

Does the left really think anyone gives a fock what they have to say right now? Oh so NOW rioting is bad? Because this entire summer I could have just sworn that rioting was stunning and brave, in fact your civic duty to fight the establishment. What happened? Why is it inappropriate now? Why is peace all of a sudden a mandate?

Get focked. I don't want to hear anything from leftists about respecting peace. You have no moral high ground to stand on. Your argument comes down to "it's only ok if we do it."

[TimmySmith 2,782]

16 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I think a better show of police force in Portland would have quelled a lot of it, but the democratic leaders there were too afraid.

You are 100% correct on both counts. Yesterday, though, was not a riot and therefore police really had little to do with what didn't happen. Those few, who did malfeasance, were peacefully arrested, like most nonviolent protests,

[supermike80 1,928]

2 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

You are 100% correct on both counts. Yesterday, though, was not a riot and therefore police really had little to do with what didn't happen. Those few, who did malfeasance, were peacefully arrested, like most nonviolent protests,

OK

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

9 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

 

8 hours ago, Voltaire said:

I'd like to see the context. Link, please. Thanks.

I gave you the link hours ago, you don't seem interested in watching it.

[MDC 7,484]

17 minutes ago, drobeski said:

>leftists riot for months, burn entire cities and destroy countless small businesses
>make not one but two autonomous zones with the express purpose of being separate from the union
>it's "mostly peaceful" violence
>all of a sudden rioting is bad now

Does the left really think anyone gives a fock what they have to say right now? Oh so NOW rioting is bad? Because this entire summer I could have just sworn that rioting was stunning and brave, in fact your civic duty to fight the establishment. What happened? Why is it inappropriate now? Why is peace all of a sudden a mandate?

Get focked. I don't want to hear anything from leftists about respecting peace. You have no moral high ground to stand on. Your argument comes down to "it's only ok if we do it."

You’re projecting like mad here. Those sky screaming crybaby weirdos are you and your ilk 100%. Trump helped get a woman killed yesterday. I hope you’re proud, freak.

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

1 hour ago, supermike80 said:

I call you crazy because I honestly and truly believe you are crazy.   Thats the only reason.  You are everything that's wrong in this country and I hope you are an aberration.

He’s been spot on correct for a decade. The right is adopting the lefts strategies.  They will become more militant. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, Dizkneelande said:

He’s been spot correct on for a decade 

huh?  He was wrong at least half a dozen times yesterday alone.

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

huh?  He was wrong at least half a dozen times yesterday alone.

Has he not been say this would happen for atleast a decade? 

[Utilit99 4,099]

32 minutes ago, drobeski said:

>leftists riot for months, burn entire cities and destroy countless small businesses
>make not one but two autonomous zones with the express purpose of being separate from the union
>it's "mostly peaceful" violence
>all of a sudden rioting is bad now

Does the left really think anyone gives a fock what they have to say right now? Oh so NOW rioting is bad? Because this entire summer I could have just sworn that rioting was stunning and brave, in fact your civic duty to fight the establishment. What happened? Why is it inappropriate now? Why is peace all of a sudden a mandate?

Get focked. I don't want to hear anything from leftists about respecting peace. You have no moral high ground to stand on. Your argument comes down to "it's only ok if we do it."

Yep. 

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

Everything that is happening today is 100% the radical lefts doing. It was different when they stormed the senate chambers during the Kavanaugh hearings right? That was OK? 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

10 minutes ago, MDC said:

Trump helped get a woman killed yesterday. 

Alright we need to stop the rhetoric.  By that logic BLM helped get people killed all summer.

I keep hearing sh!t like it's a coup, treason, etc.  If this was a coup, then they would have taken the capital, because the police just let them walk right in.  But instead of taking over the building, what did they do?  They took selfies and wrote notes, and then when the national guard showed up, they walked away.  This was not a coup.  This was a mob of brain washed retards that were angry and wanted to do something about it, and then they didn't know what to do.

They should have been stopped from entering, once they entered they should have been arrested, but in the end they are just a bunch of dumb poosies.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Everything that is happening today is 100% the radical lefts doing. It was different when they stormed the senate chambers during the Kavanaugh hearings right? That was OK? 

Personal responsibility is a lost concept these days.  I remember when that was a tenet of the right.

[Gladiators 1,993]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Personal responsibility is a lost concept these days.  I remember when that was a tenet of the right.

 I think most here would like nothing more than to get back to that.

[MDC 7,484]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Alright we need to stop the rhetoric.  By that logic BLM helped get people killed all summer.

Drobeski and other forearm Trumpers have been making that argument for months.

[TimHauck 2,906]

8 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

I expect nothing but lies from the left. Our newist leftest TimHack tried to lie and suggest I said the police are in on the capital raid. 

I expect nothing less and I expect the normies who watch the evening news to be totally miss informed on what happened today. Par for the last four years.

Wow, wrong 3 times in one sentence, that might be a new record for you.

I’m not new, I’m not a leftist and I was asking you a question.

Enlighten us, what happened yesterday?

[GutterBoy 2,899]

13 minutes ago, Gladiators said:

 I think most here would like nothing more than to get back to that.

I see a lot of blaming the left, and a lot of "If they do it then we can do it" BS.  We'll never get anywhere if nobody decides to nut up and act like responsible adults.

[drobeski 3,061]

32 minutes ago, MDC said:

You’re projecting like mad here. Those sky screaming crybaby weirdos are you and your ilk 100%. Trump helped get a woman killed yesterday. I hope you’re proud, freak.

David Dorn! Say his name!!!

[edjr 6,608]

20 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Alright we need to stop the rhetoric.  By that logic BLM helped get people killed all summer.

 

and brought covid back

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

 

Tim Kaine calls on liberals to “fight in the streets” against Trump and his supporters

Attorney General Loretta Lynch calls for liberals to march, bleed and die in the streets as they “resist” Trump.

 

Obama - “I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face,”

 

In 2010 Obama refined this characterization by calling Tea Party activists “the teabag anti-government people.”

 

Hillary called Trump’s supporters a “basket of deplorables,” and the media cast them as uneducated, backward, and racist.

 

Congresswoman Maxine Waters “Let’s make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. And if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere. We’ve got to get the children connected to their parents.”

 

NYT Columnist Rubin “We have to level them because if there are survivors — if there are people who weather this storm, they will do it again — will take this as confirmation that, ‘Hey, it just pays to ride the wave — look at me, I’ve made it through.’ “

 

Senator Booker concluded his address by encouraging people not to be passive, and to instead “go to the Hill today.”

“Please, get up in the face of some congresspeople”

 

Senator Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) told everyone to beware: “the riots of the last three months are not going to stop now or after Election Day. Moreover, they should not.”

 

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) threw gasoline on fires that are already burning by calling Republicans “enemies of the state last week.”

 

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., asking why there aren’t “uprisings all over the country.”

 

Congresswoman Pressley “There needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there’s unrest in our lives,”

 

Hillary Clinton “You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about.”

 

Eric Holder  “Michelle always says, ‘When they go low, we go high.’ No. No. When they go low, we kick them,” he said, adding, “That’s what this Democratic Party’s about. We’re proud as hell to be Democrats. We’re willing to fight for the ideals of the Democratic Party.”

 

Should I continue? I can fill pages of this crap.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

23 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Personal responsibility is a lost concept these days.  I remember when that was a tenet of the right.

And yet here we are

[TimHauck 2,906]

11 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

CNN just reported that members of Trumps cabinet are having discussions about invoking the 25th amendment to remove President Trump.  

I don’t think it’s fair to totally blame Trump for this.  It’s not really his fault some of his supporters who happen to be crazy treat him like a God so are mad he’s leaving.

If they remove him (what would be the point of doing it if it’s gonna happen in 2 weeks anyway?) it should be for that phone call, not this IMO.

[TimHauck 2,906]

10 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I see a lot of blaming the left, and a lot of "If they do it then we can do it" BS.  We'll never get anywhere if nobody decides to nut up and act like responsible adults.

Which is funny because most people seem to be saying “if they can’t do it why can’t we?”  when in the summer I’m sure were saying “arrest them all!!” 

Both the riots over the summer and this were bad.   Arrest them all.

[wiffleball 4,790]

Just got back from hospital. And seen all this. Obviously haven't read this thread. But I don't want to hear any more bullshit about 'mostly peaceful' protesters coming from Trumpturds.

 

Jesus, this is Trump's Legacy?

[drobeski 3,061]

14 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

 

Tim Kaine calls on liberals to “fight in the streets” against Trump and his supporters

Attorney General Loretta Lynch calls for liberals to march, bleed and die in the streets as they “resist” Trump.

 

Obama - “I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face,”

 

In 2010 Obama refined this characterization by calling Tea Party activists “the teabag anti-government people.”

 

Hillary called Trump’s supporters a “basket of deplorables,” and the media cast them as uneducated, backward, and racist.

 

Congresswoman Maxine Waters “Let’s make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. And if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere. We’ve got to get the children connected to their parents.”

 

NYT Columnist Rubin “We have to level them because if there are survivors — if there are people who weather this storm, they will do it again — will take this as confirmation that, ‘Hey, it just pays to ride the wave — look at me, I’ve made it through.’ “

 

Senator Booker concluded his address by encouraging people not to be passive, and to instead “go to the Hill today.”

“Please, get up in the face of some congresspeople”

 

Senator Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) told everyone to beware: “the riots of the last three months are not going to stop now or after Election Day. Moreover, they should not.”

 

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) threw gasoline on fires that are already burning by calling Republicans “enemies of the state last week.”

 

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., asking why there aren’t “uprisings all over the country.”

 

Congresswoman Pressley “There needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there’s unrest in our lives,”

 

Hillary Clinton “You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about.”

 

Eric Holder  “Michelle always says, ‘When they go low, we go high.’ No. No. When they go low, we kick them,” he said, adding, “That’s what this Democratic Party’s about. We’re proud as hell to be Democrats. We’re willing to fight for the ideals of the Democratic Party.”

 

Should I continue? I can fill pages of this crap.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Boom! 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Which is funny because most people seem to be saying “if they can’t do it why can’t we?”  when in the summer I’m sure were saying “arrest them all!!” 

Both the riots over the summer and this were bad.   Arrest them all.

Exactly.

We all should have certain ideals that aspire to live up to.  Personal responsibility, respect for others, community service, Fairness, etc.  These are human values that we should all hold, and when certain people violate these ideals, the answer is not to violate them as well, the answer is to hold them accountable.

I've seen this on both sides the past 4 years.

"Well if Trump acts like an doosh why can't I?"

"Well if the left acts like a doosh why can't I?"

And the downward spiral of civilization continues...

[Cdub100 3,929]

Mostly peaceful.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t think it’s fair to totally blame Trump for this.  It’s not really his fault some of his supporters who happen to be crazy treat him like a God so are mad he’s leaving.

If they remove him (what would be the point of doing it if it’s gonna happen in 2 weeks anyway?) it should be for that phone call, not this IMO.

Well, his Presidency started with lies, so no one should be surprised. Yet the Trumpanzees still gobble up his verbal goo and think that he actually knows what he is talking about. Definitely shame on them as they seriously thought that Congress could just throw out the results of the election. They seriously thought (and many still do) that the election was stolen from them because they just can't fathom to think that there are more people who want to see his Orange ass out of office than there are people who want to see him still in power.

[MDC 7,484]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Which is funny because most people seem to be saying “if they can’t do it why can’t we?”  when in the summer I’m sure were saying “arrest them all!!” 

You’re 100% right. But nobody here was defending violence and looting. Only the GC Trump cult defends that behavior.

[Voltaire 5,317]

1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

I gave you the link hours ago, you don't seem interested in watching it.

Earlier my VPN was working fine but it's acting up right now.I should probably reset the computer.  Is this President Trump's speech to the people at his rally in DC yesterday? If so, the link was timestamped to the beginning of the speech, not to any point where he encourages people to storm the Capitol building. I'd hoped to see that, then back it up 2-5 minutes to get the whole context.

I will click it though. My laptop is spotty, if I can't get it through, I'll use my phone. My son finished his homework and has so little free time thanks to the overbearing Chinese school system, so with what little time he has, I let him unwide by using my phone.

Thanks.

[Cdub100 3,929]

Do we have video of protesters tearing down barricades?

[listen2me 23 1,873]

15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Which is funny because most people seem to be saying “if they can’t do it why can’t we?”  when in the summer I’m sure were saying “arrest them all!!” 

Both the riots over the summer and this were bad.   Arrest them all.

Every right wing twitter personality I have followed all year quickly condemned yesterday and said it wasnt the way.  Lost thousands of followers for not being totally partisan.

The left hardly covered the summer.  And when they did they called it peaceful or said anything that happens is justified.  

There is a difference in the 2 parties.

I agree with Gutter that at some point to get anywhere thr blame game has to stop.  But that is hard to do when the Left controls the media.  They will take this and drown the republican party all while sweeping the summer totally under the rug.  Painting the right as the only problem here.  

28 minutes ago, MDC said:

You’re 100% right. But nobody here was defending violence and looting. Only the GC Trump cult defends that behavior.

Defend or severely downplaying? Whats the difference really?

[usurpers26 26]

7 hours ago, Voltaire said:

 

You know what would really work? Not this. But you smelled the trap. These cases are getting thrown out on technical grounds. They aren't looking at the evidence.

The evidence is testimonial which can be countered by counter testimonial. It was circumstantial, it was based on statistical improbabilities which I do concede 99.999%, or whatever, isn't 100%. While, the Dominon voting system testimony seemed damning, the guy knew what he was talking about, I can't argue it because I simply don't understand it. The math I can follow; once upon a time I got an A in probability and statistics. But explanations of how the programming can be altered.... shoot me. Besides, these are case by case things, they aren't arguing about Dominion machine tampering in the Georgia case, as they are in Michigan. Presumably, that means that Georgia is within a standard deviation or two of the norm.

Look, this is what would work: to audit the ballots and the security envelopes they came in. Compare them to voter registration, do a signature verification. These ballots were -allegedly- smuggled in and shuffled in with the legitimate ones. So you go through and see if there's evidence to support that. Sunlight disinfects.And so long as election officials, the very same people we see on camera harassing and bullying observers and preventing them form doing their job, are hiding those ballots from scrutiny or inspection, I don't trust the results for sh*t. It doesn't matter what a court says.

There are hundreds/thousands of people making sworn testimony of dubious practices that what went on in the precincts and counting centers and we're being denies a chance to look at those ballots. They're far more likely to get shredded than to ever be audited. Without an audit, I don't trust the results. Period.

Seriously?  The courts have to look for evidence?  Shouldn't the Trump all-stars be presenting the evidence to the court?  Why didn't they present any evidence, ever?  Because they know Twitter videos and hearsay isn't evidence, its a ruse.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

6 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Do we have video of protesters tearing down barricades?

There are videos on twitter, but we all get your point.  This protest was not as violent as the BLM protests.

What they did was still wrong and stupid.