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19 hours ago, polecatt said:

Yep, up to 22.

There's a decent chance he's never playing another down in the NFL

Kobe brutally raped a woman, played out his career, and is still adored by millions.

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13 minutes ago, Super Cubs said:

Kobe brutally raped a woman, played out his career, and is still adored by millions.

Do you think that would still be the case if it were 22 women instead of one?

It's easy to deny it when it's one case, when it's so many, it's much more difficult.

It could still all end up being a hoax, but if there's a shred of credibility to this, he's toast.

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1 hour ago, polecatt said:

Do you think that would still be the case if it were 22 women instead of one?

It's easy to deny it when it's one case, when it's so many, it's much more difficult.

It could still all end up being a hoax, but if there's a shred of credibility to this, he's toast.

Why should the number of woman matter, one is to many.  

 

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What’s most confusing, does Houston not have any rub n tug establishments available to the patron?

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1 hour ago, polecatt said:

Do you think that would still be the case if it were 22 women instead of one?

It's easy to deny it when it's one case, when it's so many, it's much more difficult.

It could still all end up being a hoax, but if there's a shred of credibility to this, he's toast.

this is true.  it is possible Watson has played his last professional game.

 

25 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Why should the number of woman matter, one is to many.  

 

true.  and if proven true, hes still finished.

I think his point is.. if it is only one, he can fight the charge, run a campaign saying shes a gold digger and successfully cloud the issue.

If 5 or 6 women come out saying he did this, its a completely different story in terms of defending one's self.

dont get me wrong.  if it happens with one woman, that should be bad enough to get him banned(as it should).  I think hes just saying its easier for him to defend himself if it looks like an isolated incident.

if proven guilty I dont think it matters if its one or ten.  the hammer from the league will be something he wont be able to avoid.  and he wont likely be able to play while defending himself from allegations of multiple women.

Like mentioned earlier, money and a smart lawyer and possibly a private investigator and a large smear campain could  possibly allow him to play while the league and the law sort out the facts.  Meanwhile someone probably slips her money under the table to make her withdraw the charge and make it go away.

I am not saying its right.  I'm saying it happens.

with multiple women coming forward, that option is off the table for him and hes done.

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16 minutes ago, jrokh said:

What’s most confusing, does Houston not have any rub n tug establishments available to the patron?

or  even a high  priced escort known for discretion?

when you have this much money, do you need to do stuff like this to someone who is unwilling?

I suppose it is possible that he thought it was a rub & tug situation.  I have a chronic hip condition that requires a massage to loosen the muscles periodically and she apparently has had to ban guys for doing pretty much the same thing desean supposedly did.  its like some people dont differentiate between legitimate massage and rub & tug Massage.

at the end of the day, its puzzling to be sure. 

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16 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

What's been proven so far?

I  am not certain anything has been proven. at this point it is just allegations.

but that isnt unusual.  the Lawyer wont usually come forward with evidence until they are before the courts.   as mentioned before, we are looking at a number of people who have come forward with the same allegations.  only one really needs to have enough to convict in order to end his career.

even if none do, but it looks shady, there is still a good chance the league may suspend anyhow.

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10 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

I  am not certain anything has been proven. at this point it is just allegations.

but that isnt unusual.  the Lawyer wont usually come forward with evidence until they are before the courts.   as mentioned before, we are looking at a number of people who have come forward with the same allegations.  only one really needs to have enough to convict in order to end his career.

even if none do, but it looks shady, there is still a good chance the league may suspend anyhow.

Suspension I don't doubt because it's the NFL. And honestly, I never stick up for players when they get into legit obvious trouble, but the delayed sexual abuse stuff, I always pause and wait until it's all been proven. Too easy of a road for underachieving or hate filled women to try to cash in on a few bucks if nothing really did happen.

 

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49 minutes ago, jrokh said:

What’s most confusing, does Houston not have any rub n tug establishments available to the patron?

they shut all the good ones down.

Just my conspiracy theory on the situation. I don't think Watson has any problem getting the ladies. It maybe too easy for him. Going the massage route where things not always guaranteed and having something unexpected happen maybe part the thrill. Not saying this is true or that he's guilty or innocent. Just my conspiracy theory.

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9 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

Suspension I don't doubt because it's the NFL. And honestly, I never stick up for players when they get into legit obvious trouble, but the delayed sexual abuse stuff, I always pause and wait until it's all been proven. Too easy of a road for underachieving or hate filled women to try to cash in on a few bucks if nothing really did happen.

 

fair  enough.   that would be another reason why if  its only one  his  chances of  playing  may not be that  bad.   but with multiple women coming forward, this  is starting to look  like a real  problem.     what are  the odds all of them are lying?   That is the  perception at  the moment.  Right or wrong, it is  more for  him to overcome to save his  football career (and potenially keep him out of jail)

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18 hours ago, weepaws said:

Why should the number of woman matter, one is to many.  

 

It goes to how credible the accusations are.

As with Kobe, none of us were in the hotel room with him and the woman he supposedly assaulted, so we have to go by what others say, including those who have big incentive to lie.

When it's one incident, it's not so easy to tell who is being honest and who isn't.

When you have 22 people saying the same thing, it's a lot more credible.

And, let's just for arguments sake say he's guilty.

Isn't it much worse for there to be 22 victims as opposed to one? Yes, one is too many, but if one is too many, then 22 is certainly way too many

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20 hours ago, Super Cubs said:

Kobe brutally raped a woman, played out his career, and is still adored by millions.

To be fair, there was evidence of another guy in that case.  There wasn't any proof that Kobe actually raped her.

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40 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

To be fair, there was evidence of another guy in that case.  There wasn't any proof that Kobe actually raped her.

All these guys should have taken a page out of Jeter's playbook. Treat the girls like queens for a night. Give them limo service, flowers, champagne, jewelry, a personalized card, etc. Oh, and then probably have them sign some document before she is allowed to enter the hotel. 

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Just now, Utilit99 said:

All these guys should have taken a page out of Jeter's playbook. Treat the girls like queens for a night. Give them limo service, flowers, champagne, jewelry, a personalized card, etc. Oh, and then probably have them sign some document before she is allowed to enter the hotel. 

Jeter was smart.  There in lies the difference.

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7 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Jeter was smart.  There in lies the difference.

For sure. And I guess this isn't aging well from last year.

Deshaun Watson shares love story with girlfriend during quarantine

How a Houston native captured Watson’s heart

Watson said the two met in Los Angeles and how he pursued her on Instagram. He said he messaged her on Instagram and the two basically became friends and officially met at a hot yoga place. Anais said she was impressed at the effort Watson showed by showing up to an early 7 a.m. workout with her. After a 5 1/2 hour dinner, the two said it was official and the two have been inseparable since.

https://www.click2houston.com/features/2020/04/24/deshaun-watson-shares-love-story-with-girlfriend-during-quarantine/

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2 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

For sure. And I guess this isn't aging well from last year.

Deshaun Watson shares love story with girlfriend during quarantine

How a Houston native captured Watson’s heart

Watson said the two met in Los Angeles and how he pursued her on Instagram. He said he messaged her on Instagram and the two basically became friends and officially met at a hot yoga place. Anais said she was impressed at the effort Watson showed by showing up to an early 7 a.m. workout with her. After a 5 1/2 hour dinner, the two said it was official and the two have been inseparable since.

https://www.click2houston.com/features/2020/04/24/deshaun-watson-shares-love-story-with-girlfriend-during-quarantine/

It's possible that their connection came after these other girls.  I mean, these massage girls are talking about old interactions, right?  I haven't followed too much, but I thought these are 1 and 2 year old accounts.

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1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

It's possible that their connection came after these other girls.  I mean, these massage girls are talking about old interactions, right?

Oh, so it could be the old "That was being young and immature in the past baby. That ain't me no more." Hmm...

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1 minute ago, Utilit99 said:

Oh, so it could be the old "That was being young and immature in the past baby. That ain't me no more." Hmm...

I don't doubt it.  I mean, Winston had an interaction with an Uber driver... though, I'm still not sure it was him and not one of the other guys.  That said, it was the year after he was drafted.  A year later he met another girl and eventually married her.  Winston was quite possibly one of the most immature prospects I ever heard of, so I wouldn't discount that possibility in regards to Watson.  Though, I've not followed him at all really, because of the obvious... he plays for Houston and not Tampa.

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Wasn't Watson the dude hanging out with Mia Khalifa?

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9 hours ago, polecatt said:

It goes to how credible the accusations are.

As with Kobe, none of us were in the hotel room with him and the woman he supposedly assaulted, so we have to go by what others say, including those who have big incentive to lie.

When it's one incident, it's not so easy to tell who is being honest and who isn't.

When you have 22 people saying the same thing, it's a lot more credible.

And, let's just for arguments sake say he's guilty.

Isn't it much worse for there to be 22 victims as opposed to one? Yes, one is too many, but if one is too many, then 22 is certainly way too many

agreed.

plus, if its just one, you can make the problem go away by throwing money at the victim to make them change their story.    with a bunch of people saying the same thing, the potential for this happening is not nearly as great.

I doubt Desean can make this go away with his money.   Hes Effed.

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And that should never happen, throw money at them and make the problem disappear. 

I don’t care , one is enough. 

 

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Guys, it's not like he cosby'ed all these chicks.  He probably coerced them into what he thought was consensual sex through inferred threats or promises that had no real basis in reality.

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41 minutes ago, nobody said:

Guys, it's not like he cosby'ed all these chicks.  He probably coerced them into what he thought was consensual sex through inferred threats or promises that had no real basis in reality.

Yeah, it's still not legal to coerce people into intercourse like that. It's certainly not the kind of thing that gets a pass in this day and age.

Remember what happened with Ray Rice and Greg Hardy? Both of them were done.

They're gonna try to make him look like Darren Sharper, deserved or not

 

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5 hours ago, nobody said:

Guys, it's not like he cosby'ed all these chicks.  

If we're going to make him a verb, let's at least avoid the awkward spelling.

"Cosbied" would be the correct conjugation of to cosby, or the past tense of cosbying.

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22 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

It's possible that their connection came after these other girls.  I mean, these massage girls are talking about old interactions, right?  I haven't followed too much, but I thought these are 1 and 2 year old accounts.

Not completely, there's a claim from early this month

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46 minutes ago, polecatt said:

Not completely, there's a claim from early this month

Ok, cool.  Do we even know if Watson is with that same girl?

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Feels like the Texans have a golden opportunity here to get back in Watson’s good graces, if they support him publicly. Of course if he is guilty that could blowback, but maybe worth the risk.

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2 hours ago, jrokh said:

Feels like the Texans have a golden opportunity here to get back in Watson’s good graces, if they support him publicly. Of course if he is guilty that could blowback, but maybe worth the risk.

I think they're best move is to do nothing.  If the NFL finds merit with a lot of these girls, then there's a chance he gets suspended for at least a year or more... pending on the number.  It's even possible that the NFL tries to make an example of him.  No one is going to publicly defend someone who possibly sexually assaulted a dozen or more women.

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7 hours ago, jrokh said:

Feels like the Texans have a golden opportunity here to get back in Watson’s good graces, if they support him publicly. Of course if he is guilty that could blowback, but maybe worth the risk.

Definitely not worth the risk.

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On 3/22/2021 at 8:03 PM, polecatt said:

Yeah, it's still not legal to coerce people into intercourse like that. It's certainly not the kind of thing that gets a pass in this day and age.

Remember what happened with Ray Rice and Greg Hardy? Both of them were done.

They're gonna try to make him look like Darren Sharper, deserved or not

 

I think it's important to make the distinction.  These women all could've refused to go along, ended the message when he whipped out his junk or whatever he did and nothing would've happened. That's different then the typical connotation that goes along with sexual assault.  I wouldn't even classify that as sexual assault.

I mean if your boss says, "if we have sex that could go a long way toward helping your career," and you agree to have sex with her, did she sexually assault you?

That sounds like what happened here.

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3 hours ago, nobody said:

I mean if your boss says, "if we have sex that could go a long way toward helping your career," and you agree to have sex with her, did she sexually assault you?

It would clearly at least rise to the standard of sexual harassment, but yes, technically, any unwanted sexual comments can be construed as a sexual assault, just as any unwanted aggressive comments can be construed as a simple assault.

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On 3/23/2021 at 10:04 AM, jrokh said:

Feels like the Texans have a golden opportunity here to get back in Watson’s good graces, if they support him publicly. Of course if he is guilty that could blowback, but maybe worth the risk.

It is a fine line.  if they support him they could  anger a significant portion of the fan base.   also, if the league is to grow further in the states, that growth is going to be mostly women as most men watch football already.  so to grow the game further they need to appeal to women to a certain extent.   coming across soft on an issue like this will probably short circuit what the league is trying to achieve.

They can talk to him behind closed doors and lend him moral support, but publicly they will probably say nothing until they see which direction this is going to go.  if it looks like a guilty verdict and a lifetime (or very long) suspension with or without jail time depending on how bad it is, Houston will likely cut ties as the league will  be putting pressure on them to do so.

either way, Houston can probably just do nothing and let the league suspend him (most likely) 

but coming out in favour of him publicly likely wont fly unless the evidence makes it look like he is fully innocent on all charges. (an unlikely scenario)

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5 hours ago, nobody said:

I think it's important to make the distinction.  These women all could've refused to go along, ended the message when he whipped out his junk or whatever he did and nothing would've happened. That's different then the typical connotation that goes along with sexual assault.  I wouldn't even classify that as sexual assault.

I mean if your boss says, "if we have sex that could go a long way toward helping your career," and you agree to have sex with her, did she sexually assault you?

That sounds like what happened here.

by the very definition, that sounds like sexual harrassment.

using a position of power to obtain (or try to obtain) sexual favours is harrassment.

saying it could be good for your career to do it.  that would imply that performing certain things will get you ahead.

THAT is a big nono no matter what business you are in .

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I'm thinking that solicitation of prostitution is what happened and it didn't sit well with one of them at some point.  Something like this...

Watson:  Wanna have sex?

Girl: No.

Watson: I'll pay you an extra $100

Girl:  That'll get you a BJ.

Watson: What will $500 get me?

Girl: Make it $1k and I'll do it.

Watson: Sounds good.

Done...

I think the word got out that some girls took $100, some $500, and others way more.  One of them tried to blackmail him saying that if he doesn't give her $10k (random number), she's going to file sexual harassment/assault charges against him.  He paid up.  Another girl found out and tried for $30k and he said no.  At that point, I think was the first shoe to fall.  All of the other girls who took the chump change are just trying to cash in.

I think one or two may have a reasonable case, the rest are full of crap.

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58 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I'm thinking that solicitation of prostitution is what happened and it didn't sit well with one of them at some point.  Something like this...

Watson:  Wanna have sex?

Girl: No.

Watson: I'll pay you an extra $100

Girl:  That'll get you a BJ.

Watson: What will $500 get me?

Girl: Make it $1k and I'll do it.

Watson: Sounds good.

Done...

I think the word got out that some girls took $100, some $500, and others way more.  One of them tried to blackmail him saying that if he doesn't give her $10k (random number), she's going to file sexual harassment/assault charges against him.  He paid up.  Another girl found out and tried for $30k and he said no.  At that point, I think was the first shoe to fall.  All of the other girls who took the chump change are just trying to cash in.

I think one or two may have a reasonable case, the rest are full of crap.

Even if all that's true, which is a long shot, he deserves to get his name run through the mud on it if for no other reason than being a moron.

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3 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I'm thinking that solicitation of prostitution is what happened and it didn't sit well with one of them at some point.  Something like this...

Watson:  Wanna have sex?

Girl: No.

Watson: I'll pay you an extra $100

Girl:  That'll get you a BJ.

Watson: What will $500 get me?

Girl: Make it $1k and I'll do it.

Watson: Sounds good.

Done...

I think the word got out that some girls took $100, some $500, and others way more.  One of them tried to blackmail him saying that if he doesn't give her $10k (random number), she's going to file sexual harassment/assault charges against him.  He paid up.  Another girl found out and tried for $30k and he said no.  At that point, I think was the first shoe to fall.  All of the other girls who took the chump change are just trying to cash in.

I think one or two may have a reasonable case, the rest are full of crap.

lol

I've known for some time (since declaring that Ronald Jones would average 20 carries per week in 2020) that you have a rich fantasy life.

I see now that it extends beyond the football world as well.

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