What do vaccinated people think?

[wiffleball 4,797]

9 hours ago, Cruzer said:

I got into this debate with a fiend the other day, at hh. 

They were adamant vaccines were just another Big Brother tracking scheme...................as they used their cell phone, and paid with a debit card. 

I posted this before. I had a lady tell me that she had proof on YouTube that they put tracking chips in the vaccine. I look down and said:  like the one that's in your phone that you carry constantly?

 

The look on her face was f****** priceless. 

[KSB2424 3,173]

I hate everyone.

Vaccines are one of the greatest inventions in human history.  Just behind sliced bread and porn. Anti-vaxxers personally irritate me.  Half the ones I know in real life smoke cigs, JFC.  

A government official forcing a human being to inject themselves with ANYTHING is wrong and burns my britches.

We are allowing illegal immigrants to pour into our country and spread Covid-19 and its an afterthought.

We just shrug off Wuhan, China like its a big whoopsie and move on

If a store or a restaurant or gym whatever wants to force masks so be it, its their store.  I will comply or not go.

This shiot isnt going anywhere, we need to learn to live with it.  Get vaxxed  (or not) that's on you.  I mean if you don't,  I think you are an idiot but I have lots of opinions on lots of things.

Keep kids in school and no more shut downs. That was a complete disaster.  

Fock everybody. 

 

[Fireballer 2,677]

They think the unvaxxed should forfeit healthcare if they get Covid

 

[wiffleball 4,797]

Agree. Seriously, at this point if you get covid & not vaccinated? F*** you.

[Fireballer 2,677]

13 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Agree. Seriously, at this point if you ruin your liver & drank alcohol? F*** you.

 

13 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Agree. Seriously, at this point if you have a heart attack & were obese? F*** you.

 

14 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Agree. Seriously, at this point if you tried to suicide yourself &fail?  F*** you.

 

16 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Agree. Seriously, at this point if you get AIDS & shot heroin with your homeless buddies? F*** you.

You cool with these elective actions being grounds for denying care, too?

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

21 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

 

 

 

You cool with these elective actions being grounds for denying care, too?

I love lib logic. Deliberately pump Chinese fentanyl into your veins? Let us rush an EMT with a dose of narcan to you, on us!

Catch a Chinese disease, and refuse to take an experimental vaccine, and fock you. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

51 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

They think the unvaxxed should forfeit healthcare if they get Covid

 

I agree in principal with gay as Fock George Takai. I also think that anyone who has gay sex without a condom and gets the HiV/AIDS should be denied priority medical care as well. Junkies too. 

[tubby_mcgee 701]

11 hours ago, joneo said:

 

 I've heard people saying you need to get vaccinated to protect the unvaccinated children....you know..the age group least affected by the virus. 

 

"It's for the childreeeeeennnnnnnn"

[tubby_mcgee 701]

If you're scared, get the vaccine.

[KSB2424 3,173]

5 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

If you're scared, get the vaccine.

Tubby, do you wear a seat belt?   If you ride a motorcycle do you you wear a helmet?  When you shoot your AR do you wear eye and ear protection?

I'm not trying to be a diick but comments like I just quoted irritate me. 

[Bill E. 703]

12 hours ago, joneo said:

1.  Do vaccinated people believe they can't spread the virus? Do they believe unvaccinated people are the only ones that can spread it? 

2.  I've heard people saying you need to get vaccinated to protect the unvaccinated children....you know..the age group least affected by the virus. 

3.  Do vaccinated people think that an unregulated vaccine is protecting them better than someone who contracted the virus and built natural immunities? 

I think anyone can get it and spread it.  I think if you are vaccinated there is a better chance your body will fight it off before it takes hold and infects you.   If you get it I think symptoms will likely worse if you are not vaccinated.

I think the children will be fine but could get it from anyone.

I do not believe that but would rather get the antibodies from the vax than I would get them from catching the Covid.

[wiffleball 4,797]

9 hours ago, Fireballer said:

 

 

 

You cool with these elective actions being grounds for denying care, too?

Yes. Without a doubt.

[joneo 562]

12 hours ago, Fireballer said:

They think the unvaxxed should forfeit healthcare if they get Covid

 

So you believe that all doctors should violate their Hippocratic oath.?  You are what's wrong with this issue. You are self righteous and omnipotent.

[Cruzer 1,996]

21 hours ago, joneo said:

Don't confuse the question: I never said those contracting the virus. I said "who is spreading the virus"

Seeing how the majority of those contracting Covid now are non-vaccinated, perhaps if they did get vaccinated, nobody would be spreading it. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

They still have the image in their heads that it’s all Trump voters not getting the vaccination.  They refuse to see what’s really going on, their false narrative enables them to attack who they hate and they like it that way. 

[BufordT 439]

14 hours ago, Fireballer said:

They think the unvaxxed should forfeit healthcare if they get Covid

 

 

Will never happen.  hth. 

[TimHauck 3,307]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They still have the image in their heads that it’s all Trump voters not getting the vaccination.  They refuse to see what’s really going on, their false narrative enables them to attack who they hate and they like it that way. 

Not all, but more than any one group, especially if we’re talking absolute numbers. 

[TimHauck 3,307]

2 hours ago, joneo said:

So you believe that all doctors should violate their Hippocratic oath.?  You are what's wrong with this issue. You are self righteous and omnipotent.

I don’t think people should be denied care, but I do think people saying things like “I’m not afraid!” should voluntarily agree not to go to the hospital.  If they’re not afraid, they shouldn’t need to go to the hospital.

[joneo 562]

1 hour ago, Cruzer said:

Seeing how the majority of those contracting Covid now are non-vaccinated, perhaps if they did get vaccinated, nobody would be spreading it. 

You are assuming that someone who tests positive for Covid is different than anyone else.  You could be carrying Covid and not test positive. You could be vaccinated and still carry Covid. A person that has Covid is no more likely to pass it to others than other carriers. 

I have had Covid. For discussion sake, let's assume you have not and but have been vaccinated.

 

1. Do you feel I can carry and spread Covid?

2. Do you feel you can carry and spread Covid?

[joneo 562]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t think people should be denied care, but I do think people saying things like “I’m not afraid!” should voluntarily agree not to go to the hospital.  If they’re not afraid, they shouldn’t need to go to the hospital.

People do stuff all the time not expecting the worse and later need help. People who jump off cliffs to dive..idiots! People who pet snakes and get bit...idiots! People who click on one of my links.. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Not all, but more than any one group, especially if we’re talking absolute numbers. 

I’ll go ahead and say the way you figure who voted for who and if they got vaccinated is a very innacurate method.  I bet it goes something  like this: Trump won a state by a small margin, the vaccination rates are lower in that state, therefore it’s Trump voters not getting vaccinated. With exceptions, but I bet that’s the overall method.  

[jerryskids 7,083]

On 8/14/2021 at 7:39 AM, joneo said:

1.  Do vaccinated people believe they can't spread the virus? Do they believe unvaccinated people are the only ones that can spread it? 

2.  I've heard people saying you need to get vaccinated to protect the unvaccinated children....you know..the age group least affected by the virus. 

3.  Do vaccinated people think that an unregulated vaccine is protecting them better than someone who contracted the virus and built natural immunities? 

I'm vaccinated and would do it again.  To your questions:

1.  I don't know if I can spread it.  They say I can, so sure, I suppose I can.  I would think the odds are less than if I were unvaccinated though.  So I guess I don't believe unvaccinated people are the only ones that can spread it.  I don't see the relevance of this set of questions.

2. There isn't a question here, but I don't believe unvaccinated children need to be protected, unless a variant comes around which is bad for children.

3.  Yes and I'll explain why.  With the vaccine I have a much lower chance of getting Covid.  But not zero.  If I do get Covid, the odds of it being bad enough for hospitalization are even lower, as are related long-term respiratory issues, and death is about zero.  And in that case where it did slip through and I did get it, I would then build up a natural immunity on top of the vaccine.

I think that if you've already had it you are at least as immune as vaccine alone, but I don't think it is a wise plan to just wait until you get it to build up the immunity.  Look, I agree that it is a person's choice to get it.  But I think most of the anti-vaxxers don't understand the math.  The odds of long-term impacts including death are much higher with the "I'll wait and get it to build my own immunity" path.  They just are. 

 

[IGotWorms 4,063]

The issue with the “I’ve already had it” line of thought is many people are just going to assume they had it, when they probably actually didn’t, and others are just going to lie (perhaps even to themselves) and say they had it.

So from a public health perspective, that’s just unworkable. We need herd immunity via vaccination. We don’t get there with tens of millions of people saying “meh I probably had it at some point, right? Remember that one time last year I had the sniffles??”

[jerryskids 7,083]

12 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

The issue with the “I’ve already had it” line of thought is many people are just going to assume they had it, when they probably actually didn’t, and others are just going to lie (perhaps even to themselves) and say they had it.

So from a public health perspective, that’s just unworkable. We need herd immunity via vaccination. We don’t get there with tens of millions of people saying “meh I probably had it at some point, right? Remember that one time last year I had the sniffles??”

There are tests for antibodies; if you have them you don't benefit from the vaccine.  I would hope that a good number of people who believe they've had it would get such a test to confirm.  If not then IMO you can't intelligently use that justification for not getting the vaccine.

Forget about herd immunity, that ship has sailed.  It was always an arbitrary number anyway, and the higher infection rates of variants like delta push that arbitrary number even higher.  It's in the animal population as well, it's here to stay.  

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

I agree, herd immunity is out the window. It is proven you can catch it multiple times, just look at Lamar Jackson for example.

 

Also, our local CVS offers antibody testing for 30 dollars and it only takes 10 minutes. I had it done on Friday just to make sure that I had antibodies since I had the J&J shot.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Does anyone know if taking multiple vaccines is harmful?

I ask because I've had the Chinky one, but I'll likely need to have a US one to reenter civilization at some point. 

[jerryskids 7,083]

7 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

I agree, herd immunity is out the window. It is proven you can catch it multiple times, just look at Lamar Jackson for example.

 

Also, our local CVS offers antibody testing for 30 dollars and it only takes 10 minutes. I had it done on Friday just to make sure that I had antibodies since I had the J&J shot.

What I'd like to see, but gawd forbid we come up with an intelligent compromise, is to get the vast majority of of adults with immunity (vaccine or natural) and draw the line with the children.  We are destroying the development of this generation with the masking, social distancing, remote schooling, and nobody seems to care.

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

6 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Does anyone know if taking multiple vaccines is harmful?

I ask because I've had the Chinky one, but I'll likely need to have a US one to reenter civilization at some point. 

I do not think so, below is one example where countries are doing this in mass, but there are more examples. I believe i have read that there are also 1-2 latin american and 1-2 middle eastern countries adding american vaccines on top of the chinese vaccine.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/countries-signal-doubts-about-delta-protection-from-chinese-vaccine-11626183948

Thailand became the latest country to signal waning confidence in a Chinese vaccine against the highly contagious Delta variant, saying it would offer booster shots of Western doses to healthcare workers.

Healthcare workers who received two doses of the vaccine developed by Sinovac Biotech Ltd. would be given a third shot made by either Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE or AstraZeneca PLC, Thailand’s health ministry said Monday. Those who had only one dose would receive AstraZeneca as their second.

The decision to mix the vaccines makes Thailand the latest country to show reservations about whether Chinese vaccines work well enough to protect medical workers against the Delta variant, which was first detected in India and is thought to be far more contagious than earlier versions of the virus. The strain has spread to at least 98 countries.

[joneo 562]

38 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'm vaccinated and would do it again.  To your questions:

1.  I don't know if I can spread it.  They say I can, so sure, I suppose I can.  I would think the odds are less than if I were unvaccinated though.  So I guess I don't believe unvaccinated people are the only ones that can spread it.  I don't see the relevance of this set of questions.

2. There isn't a question here, but I don't believe unvaccinated children need to be protected, unless a variant comes around which is bad for children.

3.  Yes and I'll explain why.  With the vaccine I have a much lower chance of getting Covid.  But not zero.  If I do get Covid, the odds of it being bad enough for hospitalization are even lower, as are related long-term respiratory issues, and death is about zero.  And in that case where it did slip through and I did get it, I would then build up a natural immunity on top of the vaccine.

I think that if you've already had it you are at least as immune as vaccine alone, but I don't think it is a wise plan to just wait until you get it to build up the immunity.  Look, I agree that it is a person's choice to get it.  But I think most of the anti-vaxxers don't understand the math.  The odds of long-term impacts including death are much higher with the "I'll wait and get it to build my own immunity" path.  They just are. 

 

Thanks Jerry, hope you're doing well. in the first question, my purpose of asking is because the people I am talking to really believe that only unvaccinated people are spreading the virus. Also, a lot of think the vaccine won't allow them to spread it even if they don't have the virus. 

[joneo 562]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

What I'd like to see, but gawd forbid we come up with an intelligent compromise, is to get the vast majority of of adults with immunity (vaccine or natural) and draw the line with the children.  We are destroying the development of this generation with the masking, social distancing, remote schooling, and nobody seems to care.

Agree! 

[jerryskids 7,083]

1 minute ago, joneo said:

Thanks Jerry, hope you're doing well. in the first question, my purpose of asking is because the people I am talking to really believe that only unvaccinated people are spreading the virus. Also, a lot of think the vaccine won't allow them to spread it even if they don't have the virus. 

Hanging in thanks, resting from my latest chemo on Friday.   

One might argue that the fact that vaccinated people can spread it can be used to justify more draconian measures, which I don't support.  I'm in the @KSB2424 camp I think:  let's vax up the adults, leave the kids alone, and get on gettin' on.   

[TimHauck 3,307]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’ll go ahead and say the way you figure who voted for who and if they got vaccinated is a very innacurate method.  I bet it goes something  like this: Trump won a state by a small margin, the vaccination rates are lower in that state, therefore it’s Trump voters not getting vaccinated. With exceptions, but I bet that’s the overall method.  

No, overall the places where Trump had the highest vote share have the lowest vaccination rates. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

33 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

No, overall the places where Trump had the highest vote share have the lowest vaccination rates. 

Impossible. The Bronx didn’t vote for Trump. Probably the lowest rate in the country.  At least NY. 

[IGotWorms 4,063]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

No, overall the places where Trump had the highest vote share have the lowest vaccination rates. 

Well and Trump and his cohorts have undermined the whole thing for some reason. Refusing to get the vaccine in public, Tucker Carlson running insane anti vaccine conspiracy stuff, MTG congratulating people on not being vaccinated, stuff like that. A lot of those folks are undermining the effort for some reason and folks on the right listen to them and follow their lead.

[Utilit99 4,099]

7 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Well and Trump and his cohorts have undermined the whole thing for some reason. Refusing to get the vaccine in public, Tucker Carlson running insane anti vaccine conspiracy stuff, MTG congratulating people on not being vaccinated, stuff like that. A lot of those folks are undermining the effort for some reason and folks on the right listen to them and follow their lead.

TRUMP!!!!!! 

[TimHauck 3,307]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Impossible. The Bronx didn’t vote for Trump. Probably the lowest rate in the country.  At least NY. 

Nope.  

Looks like most Bronx zip codes were 45-55% (first dose) - https://covid19vaccine.health.ny.gov/vaccination-rates-zip-code

I’m not familiar with the zip codes in NY but there are like 30+ zip codes under 30% let alone 45% (I think the 1% one is a prison or something).

There are entire counties with lower %’s.  For example, Allegany County: 39% first dose; 68% Trump vote - 

https://covid19vaccine.health.ny.gov/covid-19-vaccine-tracker

https://www.elections.ny.gov/NYSBOE/elections/2020/General/2020President.xlsx

[TimmySmith 2,783]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Impossible. The Bronx didn’t vote for Trump. Probably the lowest rate in the country.  At least NY. 

You realize the Trump voters have been the covid people from day 1. Always most sick, most hospitalized, most dead. This was before the vax. Now it's rinse and repeat.  It's politicized at its core and lying botcuck is one of it's  tools.

[TimHauck 3,307]

Oh and Allegany County is apparently 97% white - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegany_County,_New_York

[joneo 562]

44 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Well and Trump and his cohorts have undermined the whole thing for some reason. Refusing to get the vaccine in public, Tucker Carlson running insane anti vaccine conspiracy stuff, MTG congratulating people on not being vaccinated, stuff like that. A lot of those folks are undermining the effort for some reason and folks on the right listen to them and follow their lead.

I'd be entertained to see a video of Tucker "running insane anti vaccine conspiracy stuff". Sounds like a good watch  

[TimHauck 3,307]

3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

There are tests for antibodies; if you have them you don't benefit from the vaccine.  I would hope that a good number of people who believe they've had it would get such a test to confirm.  If not then IMO you can't intelligently use that justification for not getting the vaccine.

 

Agree with youe last sentence.  Supposedly prior infection + vaccine gives you like super protection according to some research, but I don’t fault previously infected people for not getting the vaccine.

What I don’t get are the people that think “vaccine immunity wanes!!” while at the same time thinking their April 2020 infection is protecting them now.  If vaccine immunity wanes, natural immunity probably does too.