“We’re not against all vaccines, just the Covid ones”

[TimHauck 2,946]

I’m pretty sure Harris’s quote was something to the effect of she wouldn’t take it just because Trump told her to but she would take it if experts told her to

[crackattack 520]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

They weren’t spreading doubt about the vaccine they were spreading doubt about Trump and wanting to make sure it was ready before it was authorized

They were (Democratic presidential hopefuls) telling the general public not to trust a sitting president if he says a vaccine is ready, safe and available. I call that spreading doubt and fear. 

[TimHauck 2,946]

Good job derailing the thread though guys

[TimHauck 2,946]

There was a Democratic guy running for Senate or some thing that did cast actual doubt about the vaccine before the election and I had called him out previously. He lost his race

[Shooter McGavin 618]

1 hour ago, Cdub100 said:

Nah people are wondering why healthy people are dying of "natural causes". Also botched the message is an extreme understatement. We went from 96.4% safe and effective with only two doses. To it doesn't stop you from getting it, doesn't stop you from passing it and you need a booster every 3 months.

At the VERY best they say the covid vaccine doesn't make the sickness as bad as it could be. Yeah... "botched message"  :eyeroll:

Humans have died from natural causes for centuries.  This is not something new.  And the efficacy changed because the virus mutated.

But sure, you have your agenda, so you'll spin it how you want

[Shooter McGavin 618]

42 minutes ago, Gladiators said:

I remember that quite well.  I don't remember Tim and Gutterboy being outraged over it.  They're hypocrites.

Page one of this thread, stupid.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

37 minutes ago, crackattack said:

They were (Democratic presidential hopefuls) telling the general public not to trust a sitting president if he says a vaccine is ready, safe and available. I call that spreading doubt and fear. 

that will be something the GOP House could potentially investigate.

[TimHauck 2,946]

46 minutes ago, crackattack said:

They were (Democratic presidential hopefuls) telling the general public not to trust a sitting president if he says a vaccine is ready, safe and available. I call that spreading doubt and fear. 

So everyone should just blindly believe everything the sitting president says?  That sounds more like a monarchy than a democracy

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

18 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Page one of this thread, stupid.

Is the booster a vaccine? This should be good. 

[TimHauck 2,946]

https://coloradosun.com/2020/09/14/colorado-coronavirus-vaccine-polls-politics/
 

“Among Democrats, 85% say they are likely to get the vaccine compared with 52% of Republicans”

[crackattack 520]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So everyone should just blindly believe everything the sitting president says?  That sounds more like a monarchy than a democracy

Of course not. That still doesn't mean democrats were telling the general public, in the middle of a pandemic, not to trust a sitting president about a vaccine. Spin it any way you like, but that's spreading doubt and fear. 

 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So everyone should just blindly believe everything the sitting president says?  That sounds more like a monarchy than a democracy

so what you are saying is, if it is republican president, then dissent is patriotic, but if it is a democratic president, then dissent is treason, right?

[TimHauck 2,946]

7 minutes ago, crackattack said:

Of course not. That still doesn't mean democrats were telling the general public, in the middle of a pandemic, not to trust a sitting president about a vaccine. Spin it any way you like, but that's spreading doubt and fear. 

 

About Trump, not the vaccine.  There is a difference 

[Gladiators 1,997]

Are you getting dizzy from all that spinning Tim?

[crackattack 520]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

About Trump, not the vaccine.  There is a difference 

Don't trust Trump. Trump says vaccine is safe. Don't trust Trump. Trump says vaccine is effective. Don't trust Trump. Nope, not spreading doubt.

Republicans= don't trust Biden on effectiveness of boosters. Democrats= OMG anti-vaxx hillbillies!!!!!!!

 

[TimHauck 2,946]

6 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

so what you are saying is, if it is republican president, then dissent is patriotic, but if it is a democratic president, then dissent is treason, right?

Of course not, who said that? 

Conservative bot, beep bop 010010001

[JustinCharge 2,397]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Of course not, who said that? 

Conservative bot, beep bop 010010001

every liberal all the damn time, in their actions.

[TimHauck 2,946]

10 minutes ago, crackattack said:

Don't trust Trump. Trump says vaccine is safe. Don't trust Trump. Trump says vaccine is effective. Don't trust Trump. Nope, not spreading doubt.

Republicans= don't trust Biden on effectiveness of boosters. Democrats= OMG anti-vaxx hillbillies!!!!!!!

 

Trump also said covid was going to disappear and China was doing a great job (speaking of, Biden was actually critical of China early on, but you never hear conservatives acknowledge that) .   There was reason not to trust Trump’s every word about Covid. Same with Biden. They’re not scientists (And of course you shouldn’t always trust scientists every word either)

[crackattack 520]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Trump also said covid was going to disappear and China was doing a great job (speaking of, Biden was actually critical of China early on, but you never hear conservatives acknowledge that) .   There was reason not to trust Trump’s every word about Covid. Same with Biden. They’re not scientists (And of course you shouldn’t always trust scientists every word either)

I personally don't trust any politicians every word on anything. But immediately undercutting a sitting presidents ability to talk about a possible vaccine during a pandemic is both political and dangerous. Something democratic presidential hopefuls did. They threw doubt all over the speed of the vaccine, the FDA, and Trump himself. The Democratic party was the first to make the vaccine political. They just were.

[TimHauck 2,946]

2 minutes ago, crackattack said:

I personally don't trust any politicians every word on anything. But immediately undercutting a sitting presidents ability to talk about a possible vaccine during a pandemic is both political and dangerous. Something democratic presidential hopefuls did. They threw doubt all over the speed of the vaccine, the FDA, and Trump himself. The Democratic party was the first to make the vaccine political. They just were.

I don’t doubt they were the first to make it political, but again, their comments were not about the vaccine, they were about Trump. 

And I don’t think it was “immediate.”  It was probably around September/October when they were like “oh sh1t this thing might actually get approved before the election which will probably make Trump win.”    Check out my actual election interference thread 

[crackattack 520]

8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t doubt they were the first to make it political, but again, their comments were not about the vaccine, they were about Trump. 

And I don’t think it was “immediate.”  It was probably around September/October when they were like “oh sh1t this thing might actually get approved before the election which will probably make Trump win.”    Check out my actual election interference thread 

Again. Here's what you're saying. It was ok to trash Trump, the FDA and operation warp speed.  Then turn around and say "but oh yeah, go ahead and get the shot". That kind of double speak casts doubt to most of the general population. This is obvious. Not sure why it's debatable? And this was the Democrats playbook from the time they were still in their primaries. And just to be honest, I can't stand Trump. So I'm no apologist. But Democrats opened pandoras box on vaxx hesitancy. They need to own that.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Is the booster a vaccine? This should be good. 

Crickets. Lol. 

[Big Guy 1,414]

I'm against ALL Vaccines, simply because they're man made / government approved lol

Seriously folks......why the fock would you trust your governments? 

They're proven liars!

 

don't make me looks up the thousands of examples

[Reality 3,121]

Good thread bump.

[Djgb13 2,339]

The idiots here that keep defending the vax when Pfizer themselves admitted everything the “anti-vaxxers” said was true. There’s also data like this. Yet I GUARANTEE the retards won’t like or accept this data 

[Raven Fan 362]

Trump did say the Chinese were doing a great job.  Why'd he do that?

[craftsman 1,045]

This thread could have just stopped at the title. 

[TimHauck 2,946]

1 hour ago, Djgb13 said:

The idiots here that keep defending the vax when Pfizer themselves admitted everything the “anti-vaxxers” said was true. There’s also data like this. Yet I GUARANTEE the retards won’t like or accept this data 

LOL digby was trying to lecture us peasants on “ACTUAL SCIENCE” a couple weeks ago, and now he’s quoting VAERS data as meaningful.

Almost no one knew what VAERS was before 2021, not to mention there aren’t many vaccines women of child-bearing age (even if not pregnant) would usually take, and there is little oversight on who files reports, so comparisons like this are ridiculously misleading.  This is like Peter McCullough saying 470k people have died from the vaccine based on pre-covid VAERS reporting rates.

There was actually a recent study I saw that found no link to miscarriages, I’ll try to find the link.

[Shooter McGavin 618]

1 hour ago, Djgb13 said:

The idiots here that keep defending the vax when Pfizer themselves admitted everything the “anti-vaxxers” said was true. There’s also data like this. Yet I GUARANTEE the retards won’t like or accept this data 

Of course I won't accept the data, it's false.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-VAERS-data-misrepresented-miscarriage-969408592649

Also just because something is in vaers doesn't mean it's proven.  People in the medical field know this

[TimHauck 2,946]

 

 

[Big Guy 1,414]

You have to be incredibly naive to let them inject you with anything nowadays

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

Is it still a pandemic of the unvaccinated? 

[TimHauck 2,946]

It’s not a pandemic at all

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

So who told us it was/is a pandemic of the unvaxxed? 
 

1) Russia!

2) Q! 
3) Our government. 

[TimHauck 2,946]

It was a pandemic of the unvaccinated.  But now it’s not a pandemic at all

[Strike 5,614]

Anyone see the Tim Robbins interview with Russell Brand?  I haven't seen it but read a few excerpts.  It's not noteworthy specifically due to it's content, as his viewpoint mirrors how mine changed throughout the pandemic, but what is noteworthy is the independent and critical thinking skills he exhibits as a die hard lib.  You don't see that much, and never around here.  The "centrists" are set in their ways around here.

[lod001 1,345]

On 3/10/2022 at 12:49 PM, vomit said:

I would say these people are equally as dumb that don't think we have a vaccine.  Yes, looking at you, slapnuts

Anyone know if this stupid pile of sh1t dropped dead from all the jabs the dumbfock took?

[Shooter McGavin 618]

24 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Anyone know if this stupid pile of sh1t dropped dead from all the jabs the dumbfock took?

Vomit was banned by digby.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

So the clowns, including the OP, and of course Gutterboy, that won’t get the boosters are calling others anti vax.  Shouldn’t that be the end of them running their mouths now? 

[Big Guy 1,414]

On 12/21/2022 at 12:31 PM, Strike said:

Anyone see the Tim Robbins interview with Russell Brand?  I haven't seen it but read a few excerpts.  It's not noteworthy specifically due to it's content, as his viewpoint mirrors how mine changed throughout the pandemic, but what is noteworthy is the independent and critical thinking skills he exhibits as a die hard lib.  You don't see that much, and never around here.  The "centrists" are set in their ways around here.

I haven't seen it yet, but hope to soon