Trans Kids

[Dizkneelande 1,102]

3 hours ago, Jeff Probst said:

Let's just assume this is all true for right now, what is the end game?  Why do all this?  What's the purpose?

Destruction of America it’s what the commies have been trying to achieve for 80 years. You can wait a month to call me retarded I don’t care. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Let’s be clear about this: the vast majority of those who have sex change operations do so because it is the healthy choice for them. They were born a woman in a man’s body, or vice versa. It’s not something they can be talked into or pressured into, it’s something they’ve always been. 
Most people who do this aren’t mentally ill; only if they’re not allowed the operation will they be made mentally ill. The operation makes them healthy and normal. Full stop. 

Good. Leave the kids alone you sickos 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. They’re good for donating money to as well. I do so every year. They fight the good fights. 

They don’t need your money. Soros bought them. They do what he wants now. 

[Voltaire 5,321]

17 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t think the ACLU is worth laughing at. You should be embarrassed that you do. 

The ACLU has always been irritating but at least they were consistent. Sadly, they are yet another maineline liberal organization lost their compass to leftoid pressure in the last few years. 

[Dizkneelande 1,102]

15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Let’s be clear about this: the vast majority of those who have sex change operations do so because it is the healthy choice for them. They were born a woman in a man’s body, or vice versa. It’s not something they can be talked into or pressured into, it’s something they’ve always been. 
Most people who do this aren’t mentally ill; only if they’re not allowed the operation will they be made mentally ill. The operation makes them healthy and normal. Full stop. 

If you’re assertions were true, 70% of referrals wouldn’t be female. We would see a more even distribution of trans and there wouldn’t be yearly double increases in gender dysmorphia cases being reported. But you think you know everything. Here’s lefty rag dog crap Guardian backing me up. 
 

An explosion’: what is behind the rise in girls questioning their gender identity? As the NHS reviews gender referrals, parents, clinicians and young people reveal the social, medical and emotional challenges they face Amelia Gentleman  @ameliagentleman Thu 24 Nov 2022 09.50 EST

Heres another interesting tidbit while we’re referencing our European friends our modern leftists claim they want to emulate. 
 

“Children aged under 16 will need court approval in England and Wales to access puberty blockers after a landmark ruling on Tuesday amid a global debate about the age at which a child can choose to transition gender.”

UK court rules against trans clinic over treatment for children - Reuters

[Voltaire 5,321]

56 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I believe the above article to be full of lies. Here is the American Civil Liberties Union on this topic: 

https://www.aclu.org/news/lgbtq-rights/transgender-people-arent-threat-you

I'd not read the link the first time I replied. I got lazy. The stories the lady told about her time working at the transgender clinic relate to children that should not have transitioned and the attitudes of the people that work in the clinics. You told us she was full of lies then gave us a link that you said was on topic - but that has nothing to do with it. It's a distraction /invitation to discuss school bathroom and locker policies rather than the children harmed by this clinic in St. Louis.

Perhaps you have a link saying the St. Louis transgender clinic is on the up and up and these children standing in front of you that you refuse to see/acknowledge are not real.

Seems to me the only person in the clinic who actually cared about them was her. 

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2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I'd not read the link the first time I replied. I got lazy. The stories the lady told about her time working at the transgender clinic relate to children that should not have transitioned and the attitudes of the people that work in the clinics. You told us she was full of lies then gave us a link that you said was on topic - but that has nothing to do with it. It's a distraction /invitation to discuss school bathroom and locker policies rather than the children harmed by this clinic in St. Louis.

Perhaps you have a link saying the St. Louis transgender clinic is on the up and up and these children standing in front of you that you refuse to see/acknowledge are not real.

First rule of TimsCrotch.  Don't take anything he says at face value.  Verify everything he posts and how/whether it relates to the issue being discussed.  He has a long history of pulling crap like this. 

[Voltaire 5,321]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

First rule of TimsCrotch.  Don't take anything he says at face value.  Verify everything he posts and how/whether it relates to the issue being discussed.  He has a long history of pulling crap like this. 

Kids tricked into transitioning and then realize they made a horrible mistake are to be ignored. Here's a distracting article arguing to put trannies in the girls locker room.

[The Real timschochet 6,845]

1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

Kids tricked into transitioning and then realize they made a horrible mistake are to be ignored. Here's a distracting article arguing to put trannies in the girls locker room.

I don’t believe it’s happening. To me that whole article is extremely suspicious, starting with the woman stating she is gay and “to the left of Bernie  Sanders”, but she just has to tell us the terrible things going on in the evil clinic- it’s just like the folks that told conservatives about the terrible things going on at Planned Parenthood- that turned out to be total hoaxes. 
 

I suspect this will turn out to be a hoax as well, but none of you will care because you’re all so invested in this hatred and fear of transgenderism. It’s just pathetic and sad, but I need to remind myself that in the long run it won’t matter.  

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t believe it’s happening. To me that whole article is extremely suspicious, starting with the woman stating she is gay and “to the left of Bernie  Sanders”, but she just has to tell us the terrible things going on in the evil clinic- it’s just like the folks that told conservatives about the terrible things going on at Planned Parenthood- that turned out to be total hoaxes. 
 

I suspect this will turn out to be a hoax as well, but none of you will care because you’re all so invested in this hatred and fear of transgenderism. It’s just pathetic and sad, but I need to remind myself that in the long run it won’t matter.  

Your link is crap and all you have is your sh!tty opinion.  Got it.  

[The Real timschochet 6,845]

Also the article I posted is completely on point. It makes several arguments on behalf of transgenders but the two most important ones are: 

1. A transgender boy is a boy full stop, A transgender girl is a girl, full stop. 
 

2. Transgenders deserve to be treated with love, dignity and respect. 
 

One cannot believe these principles and also believe that kids are being pressured or tricked into having operations and then regret it later. That’s a fantasy at odds with realty, which is why I don’t believe that woman. And why I posted the ACLU piece. 

[The Real timschochet 6,845]

4 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Your link is crap and all you have is your sh!tty opinion.  Got it.  

Ultimately my opinion is all I’ll ever have. 

But within 20 years transgenders will be largely accepted by society, viewed by most people as perfectly normal, and your children (if you have any) will be embarrassed if they ever read your old opinions on the matter. The world is moving on. You can accept the change, or stay ignorant. The choice is yours. 

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9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t believe it’s happening. To me that whole article is extremely suspicious, starting with the woman stating she is gay and “to the left of Bernie  Sanders”, but she just has to tell us the terrible things going on in the evil clinic- it’s just like the folks that told conservatives about the terrible things going on at Planned Parenthood- that turned out to be total hoaxes. 
 

I suspect this will turn out to be a hoax as well, but none of you will care because you’re all so invested in this hatred and fear of transgenderism. It’s just pathetic and sad, but I need to remind myself that in the long run it won’t matter.  

nah, we just care about kids.

[The Real timschochet 6,845]

BTW this article- which appeared on fake science provocateur Bari Weiss’ website- is suddenly all over conservative websites. “Look here’s a gay liberal woman telling us what we already knew- that these poor kids are being pressured into having sex change operations!” Just so pathetic. 

[The Real timschochet 6,845]

And here’s an actual study on the issue of whether or not transgenders regret the operation: 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/

The number of regrets is less than 1%. But hey don’t listen to statistics. There’s a gay woman we found that is testifying that they’re tricked into it! 

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Let’s be clear about this: the vast majority of those who have sex change operations do so because it is the healthy choice for them. They were born a woman in a man’s body, or vice versa. It’s not something they can be talked into or pressured into, it’s something they’ve always been. 
Most people who do this aren’t mentally ill; only if they’re not allowed the operation will they be made mentally ill. The operation makes them healthy and normal. Full stop. 

Let's be clear.  Just because you use assertive words and speak in absolutes doesn't make it true.  Full stop.

You often do it.  BTW, speaking in absolutes is a sign of low self-esteem.  I'll try to dig up the link if you are interested.

I'm guessing you don't have kids, certainly nowhere near teenagers.  Amirite?

[Voltaire 5,321]

22 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t believe it’s happening. To me that whole article is extremely suspicious, starting with the woman stating she is gay and “to the left of Bernie  Sanders”, but she just has to tell us the terrible things going on in the evil clinic- it’s just like the folks that told conservatives about the terrible things going on at Planned Parenthood- that turned out to be total hoaxes. 
 

I suspect this will turn out to be a hoax as well, but none of you will care because you’re all so invested in this hatred and fear of transgenderism. It’s just pathetic and sad, but I need to remind myself that in the long run it won’t matter.  

This de-transitioned lady took the time to make twelve videos, each one dedicated to a chapter of Abigail Shrier's book and discussing her de-transitioning story in relation to the theme of each chapter of the book.

Is she real enough for you?

[The Real timschochet 6,845]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Let's be clear.  Just because you use assertive words and speak in absolutes doesn't make it true.  Full stop.

You often do it.  BTW, speaking in absolutes is a sign of low self-esteem.  I'll try to dig up the link if you are interested.

I'm guessing you don't have kids, certainly nowhere near teenagers.  Amirite?

My daughters are 22 and 20. They would argue that they’re “nowhere near teenagers” but I might choose to disagree. One of them has a trans friend but I’ve never met her. 
 

I don’t always use assertive words. In this case I do because I’m sick and tired of all the distortions on this particular subject. 

[The Real timschochet 6,845]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

This de-transitioned lady took the time to make twelve videos, each one dedicated to a chapter of Abigail Shrier's book and discussing her de-transitioning story in relation to the theme of each chapter of the book.

Is she real enough for you?

Did you read the study I linked that less than 1% of those having this surgery regret it? Is that study real enough for you? 
 

If we were debating gun control, you would insist that I ignore anecdotes in favor of facts and statistics. And you would be right. Why shouldn’t we do the same here? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

22 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Also the article I posted is completely on point. It makes several arguments on behalf of transgenders but the two most important ones are: 

1. A transgender boy is a boy full stop, A transgender girl is a girl, full stop. 
 

2. Transgenders deserve to be treated with love, dignity and respect. 
 

One cannot believe these principles and also believe that kids are being pressured or tricked into having operations and then regret it later. That’s a fantasy at odds with realty, which is why I don’t believe that woman. And why I posted the ACLU piece. 

Doesn’t matter if they are being tricked. The option shouldn’t exist. You’re some sick, disgusting people that are good with this. 

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23 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Also the article I posted is completely on point. It makes several arguments on behalf of transgenders but the two most important ones are: 

1. A transgender boy is a boy full stop, A transgender girl is a girl, full stop. 
 

2. Transgenders deserve to be treated with love, dignity and respect. 
 

One cannot believe these principles and also believe that kids are being pressured or tricked into having operations and then regret it later. That’s a fantasy at odds with realty, which is why I don’t believe that woman. And why I posted the ACLU piece. 

#1: A transgender boy will ALWAYS be a woman - a biological woman.  FULL STOP.  They will NEVER be a boy or a man no matter how many chemicals you want to put in them or how many parts you want to cut off of them.  Ever.

You can't change that no matter how hard you try and wish it to be true because, y'know, science and all that.

I agree with you on #2, but that doesn't mean we have to participate in a fantasy.

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For the sake of argument, let’s say that the number of regrets isn’t less than 1%- let’s say it’s 50%. If half of the people who choose to have a sex change operation come to regret it, should we therefore make it illegal? 
I would argue no. This isn’t a public health issue, like Covid, in which we are sometimes forced to make decisions for the benefit of all. This is a private health decision, between a person and their doctor (and in some cases when a minor is involved, their parents). The government has no role in these matters. Nether do you or I. We need to leave these folks alone. 

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4 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

#1: A transgender boy will ALWAYS be a woman - a biological woman.  FULL STOP.  They will NEVER be a boy or a man no matter how many chemicals you want to put in them or how many parts you want to cut off of them.  Ever.

You can't change that no matter how hard you try and wish it to be true because, y'know, science and all that.

I agree with you on #2, but that doesn't mean we have to participate in a fantasy.

I don’t accept your rebuttal to my first point. I reject the whole idea of a “biological woman”- I find it meaningless in terms of societal recognition. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. 

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8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

My daughters are 22 and 20. They would argue that they’re “nowhere near teenagers” but I might choose to disagree. One of them has a trans friend but I’ve never met her. 
 

I don’t always use assertive words. In this case I do because I’m sick and tired of all the distortions on this particular subject. 

Hmm, I agree with you, that is close enough to teen for my guess to have been wrong.  Color me surprised that you have kids that age.

Also I didn't say always, I said often.  Another example:

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A transgender boy is a boy full stop, A transgender girl is a girl, full stop.

 

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t accept your rebuttal to my first point. I reject the whole idea of a “biological woman”- I find it meaningless in terms of societal recognition. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. 

"Biological woman" is not an idea, it's science.

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6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

. The option shouldn’t exist. You’re some sick, disgusting people that are good with this. 

Thanks to Hardcore Troubadour for revealing what, IMO, is truly behind the conservative approach to these issues. “The option shouldn’t exist” because you find it disgusting. This is the same exact reason why homosexuality was illegal for so long- because people found it disgusting. It goes back to the old Calvinistic intolerance of people who don’t act the way the majority does. 

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t accept your rebuttal to my first point. I reject the whole idea of a “biological woman”- I find it meaningless in terms of societal recognition. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. 

Well, yeah, because you reject science in the name of acquiring as many virtues as you can so you can show everyone how virtuous you are.  It's all about LOOKING good.

Don't worry, though, people will look on back on you and your ilk's support of this and it won't be kind. 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Doesn’t matter if they are being tricked. The option shouldn’t exist. You’re some sick, disgusting people that are good with this. 

it's a sick twisted phenom that the left is promoting.  kid has a few problems in high school & the left encourages them to come out in some fashion.

& here you go.    you want a f.cked  society.  encourage kids to become trans, homos, lesbians, et all----------even if they are not.

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Just now, jerryskids said:

"Biological woman" is not an idea, it's science.

You don’t find a lot of doctors or scientists using that term as a means to reject transgenderism. That’s a conservative thing, pretending to have scientific backing. 

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2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

"Biological woman" is not an idea, it's science.

Like, LITERALLY.

So Tim is a science denier.  How about that?

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2 minutes ago, shadrap said:

it's a sick twisted phenom that the left is promoting.  kid has a few problems in high school & the left encourages them to come out in some fashion.

& here you go.    you want a f.cked  society.  encourage kids to become trans, homos, lesbians, et all----------even if they are not.

Isn't this the same crew that's been telling us that this is all a "natural" thing? 

But now they're telling us that it IS learned behavior.  They're literally pushing it as an option.

[The Real timschochet 6,845]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Well, yeah, because you reject science in the name of acquiring as many virtues as you can so you can show everyone how virtuous you are.  It's all about LOOKING good.

Don't worry, though, people will look on back on you and your ilk's support of this and it won't be kind. 

Theres been a lot of talk in this thread and other threads about virtue signaling. I don’t hold my views to impress anyone. I think I’m right. Of course I think that what I believe is virtuous, why wouldn’t I? I regard myself as a moral person, at least I try to be. 

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Theres been a lot of talk in this thread and other threads about virtue signaling. I don’t hold my views to impress anyone. I think I’m right. Of course I think that what I believe is virtuous, why wouldn’t I? I regard myself as a moral person, at least I try to be. 

Mao thought the same thing. 

But, yes, you and your kind do it for virtues.  You guys don't give two sh#ts about these people you supposedly care about.  It's all about being morally superior (you're not).

What you and your idealogues are supporting is horrendous.  What they're doing to children is akin to Nazi human experimentation in WW2.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thanks to Hardcore Troubadour for revealing what, IMO, is truly behind the conservative approach to these issues. “The option shouldn’t exist” because you find it disgusting. This is the same exact reason why homosexuality was illegal for so long- because people found it disgusting. It goes back to the old Calvinistic intolerance of people who don’t act the way the majority does. 

This is funny. These leftists try to equate it to an attack on homosexuality. It’s not,  no one cared if people had sex change operations until they brought kids into it. That’s so clearly evident , yet you have to make shite up to defend it.  Sickos. 

[The Real timschochet 6,845]

6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

"Biological woman" is not an idea, it's science.

The biology of sex is real but it’s extremely complicated, not close to the simplicity you’re implying here. This is a good article on the subject:

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2020/06/15/the-myth-of-biological-sex/?sh=a7a67af76b9b

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Let’s be clear about this: the vast majority of those who have sex change operations do so because it is the healthy choice for them. They were born a woman in a man’s body, or vice versa. It’s not something they can be talked into or pressured into, it’s something they’ve always been. 
Most people who do this aren’t mentally ill; only if they’re not allowed the operation will they be made mentally ill. The operation makes them healthy and normal. Full stop. 

Award for trollling post of the year.  You’re pretty good at this

[Jeff Probst 59]

24 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 Full stop.

[The Real timschochet 6,845]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Mao thought the same thing. 

But, yes, you and your kind do it for virtues.  You guys don't give two sh#ts about these people you supposedly care about.  It's all about being morally superior (you're not).

Thanks for comparing me to a mass murderer. Even in jest it’s a little disconcerting. 

And please don’t tell me what I think. I really do care about these people. And I don’t give a crap about being morally superior. 

[The Real timschochet 6,845]

2 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Award for trollling post of the year.  You’re pretty good at this

Except that I believe every word of that post. If I’m good at it it’s because I’m being honest in my thoughts. 

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2 hours ago, Dizkneelande said:

Destruction of America it’s what the commies have been trying to achieve for 80 years. You can wait a month to call me retarded I don’t care. 

I thought the commies were going to nuke us because we have trans kids?