NATO confirms russia is moving nuclear missiles into position

[listen2me 23 1,873]

27 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Because Trump gave him everything he wanted and was  making noises about leaving NATO(many thought Trump would do this during 2nd term) and Putin thought taking Ukraine would then be an absolute cakewalk if that happened.

That is a somewhat fair post.

But what about Crimea?

[craftsman 1,045]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

That is a somewhat fair post.

But what about Crimea?

It was back in 2016 that Trump threw it out there that maybe we should pull out of NATO because we are paying for everyone and it wasn't fair. 

Then there was an act of congress to forbid it from happening then a few years later when Biden was in office they invaded. Russia knew years in advance that Trump wasn't even able to pull out from NATO.

[Reality 3,121]

33 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Because Trump

Of course.

3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I was asking a question.   This is your response?  It is okay if you don't have a theory.  Not sure what this nonsense post is?

Why did you expect any different? His answer is who these people are. It doesn't matter how badly Biden is failing, on every single level. OMB is the answer to every question, their brains are rotting from the inside from TDS.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Just now, craftsman said:

It was back in 2016 that Trump threw it out there that maybe we should pull out of NATO because we are paying for everyone and it wasn't fair. 

Then there was an act of congress to forbid it from happening then a few years later when Biden was in office they invaded. Russia knew years in advance that Trump wasn't even able to pull out from NATO.

Oh it was a giant reach by Honcho but I am giving him the benefit of the doubt since he tried to answer the question unlike worms.  

Perhaps Russia knew Trump would be next president and that was the reason they went after Crimea a few years beforehand.    I am waiting on Honcho to verify.   

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

15 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

The entire George W Bush administration.

However, one must be some brand of conservative to be a “neo conservative.”

Since you’re always screaming that Biden has been co-opted by the Marxists, I assume you agree he is not conservative, and therefore not a “neo conservative.”

Biden isn’t calling the shots. Anthony Blinken is most certainly a neo con and so is Susan Rice and Victoria Nuland and Jake Sullivan. You don’t know what one is and how it’s working if you toss Biden out there. 

[nobody 2,687]

Suggesting Biden didn't exacerbate the issue is ludicrous, but at the end of the day, we have a sh¡tty, ineffective president that is driving the country downhill.  We all need to live with for now.  If the defense is that Trump would've been just as bad is the strategy.  It's a bad strategy.  Who cares?  I suppose the intent is try to convince people Orange Man Bad so they want vote for him?  I'm not a huge trump fan, but at this point, if you prefer Biden over Trump, you're a lost cause.  Biden is a complete sh¡tbag.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

2 minutes ago, nobody said:

Suggesting Biden didn't exacerbate the issue is ludicrous, but at the end of the day, we have a sh¡tty, ineffective president that is driving the country downhill.  We all need to live with for now.  If the defense is that Trump would've been just as bad is the strategy.  It's a bad strategy.  Who cares?  I suppose the intent is try to convince people Orange Man Bad so they want vote for him?  I'm not a huge trump fan, but at this point, if you prefer Biden over Trump, you're a lost cause.  Biden is a complete sh¡tbag.

I'm not a Biden over Trump guy.  I just wonder why so many think none of this would have happened if Trump were still President.  Not giving money to Ukraine is the main answer I've seen so far and that may be true.  I haven't really heard many other reasons.

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

4 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Oh it was a giant reach by Honcho but I am giving him the benefit of the doubt since he tried to answer the question unlike worms.  

Perhaps Russia knew Trump would be next president and that was the reason they went after Crimea a few years beforehand.    I am waiting on Honcho to verify.   

I don't see going after Crimea the same as going after the whole country, starting with an attempt in the beginning to go straight for Kyiv and capture Zelinsky in the process. 

[craftsman 1,045]

4 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Oh it was a giant reach by Honcho but I am giving him the benefit of the doubt since he tried to answer the question unlike worms.  

Perhaps Russia knew Trump would be next president and that was the reason they went after Crimea a few years beforehand.    I am waiting on Honcho to verify.   

No two ways about it. The leader in charge of the US is the most determining reason for another country to invade at a certain point in time is the biggest factor. 

 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

20 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I was asking a question.   This is your response?  It is okay if you don't have a theory.  Not sure what this nonsense post is?

It’s called heading you off at the pass

[listen2me 23 1,873]

4 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I don't see going after Crimea the same as going after the whole country, starting with an attempt in the beginning to go straight for Kyiv and capture Zelinsky in the process. 

I don't see them exactly the same either.  

?

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

11 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm not a Biden over Trump guy.  I just wonder why so many think none of this would have happened if Trump were still President.  Not giving money to Ukraine is the main answer I've seen so far and that may be true.  I haven't really heard many other reasons.

Only because Putin likely sees Trump as an ally who can help instead of hinder his objectives, not because he feared Trump. Putin overestimated his military capabilities and underestimated Ukraine's capabilities and the Biden and NATO responses. 

Now he's focked and desperate.

Hopefully there are regime-change forces at work, because that's the best way out of this for everyone.

[GobbleDog 997]

Garry Kasparov, former World Chess Champion, has criticized Putin for decades and even predicted the Ukraine invasion several years ago in a book he wrote.

In any case, Kasparov of course is often asked about Putin's skills as a chess player in a political sense. Kasparov always says "Putin isn't a chess player because in chess you can see all the pieces. Putin is a poker player because he's good at bluffing weak hands and watching the world fold."

[craftsman 1,045]

1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Only because Putin likely sees Trump as an ally who can help instead of hinder his objectives, not because he feared Trump. Putin overestimated his military capabilities and underestimated Ukraine's capabilities and the Biden and NATO responses. 

Now he's focked and desperate.

Hopefully there are regime-change forces at work, because that's the best way out of this for everyone.

Talk about a delusional liberal hack with stage 4 TDS....

This guy is never wavering TDS on point. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

My memory is failing me. What did Trump give Putin again? Or was he waiting until after the election when he had more flexibility? 

[listen2me 23 1,873]

2 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Only because Putin likely sees Trump as an ally who can help instead of hinder his objectives, not because he feared Trump. Putin overestimated his military capabilities and underestimated Ukraine's capabilities and the Biden and NATO responses. 

Now he's focked and desperate.

Hopefully there are regime-change forces at work, because that's the best way out of this for everyone.

What were the things Trump did for Russia to make Putin feel like he was an ally that could help him get what he wants?

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

My memory is failing me. What did Trump give Putin again? Or was he waiting until after the election when he had more flexibility? 

What did he do to make Putin fearful of him and make him not attack Ukraine? Everything points to the opposite, right down to pulling out of NATO, which this current situation underscores as an absolutely terrible idea 

[craftsman 1,045]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

What were the things Trump did for Russia to make Putin feel like he was an ally that could help him get what he wants?

Liberals don't believe in the saying "Keep your friends close and keep your enemies closer". 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

What were the things Trump did for Russia to make Putin feel like he was an ally that could help him get what he wants?

Plan to pull out of NATO, for starters. Why would Trump have to have given Russia anything? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

2 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

What did he do to make Putin fearful of him and make him not attack Ukraine? Everything points to the opposite, right down to pulling out of NATO, which this current situation underscores as an absolutely terrible idea 

He shut down his pipeline and sectioned him.  Cost him money via drill baby drill. Armed Ukraine. I’m sure there is more 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

1 minute ago, craftsman said:

Liberals don't believe in the saying "Keep your friends close and keep your enemies closer". 

Good lord you're such a childish dolt. Are you capable of having an intellectual conversation without digging into your tired Rolodex of go-to insults and cliche MAGAtard buzz terms such as TDS?

There isn't such a thing as TDS. It's just a MAGAtard term.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Just now, Pimpadeaux said:

What did he do to make Putin fearful of him and make him not attack Ukraine? Everything points to the opposite, right down to pulling out of NATO, which this current situation underscores as an absolutely terrible idea 

So Russia went into Ukraine a year after Joe was put in the WH (after already going into Ukraine when Joe was the VP almost 10 years prior) and it happened because there were rumors that Trump didn't like the idea of being NATO's lone foot soldier?   So when Biden entered with no intention of leaving NATO what so ever......THATS when Putin madd his way into Ukraine?

I mean okay....I guess....if thats the way you want to spin it.  

[craftsman 1,045]

1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Good lord you're such a childish dolt. Are you capable of having an intellectual conversation without digging into your tired Rolodex of go-to insults and cliche MAGAtard buzz terms such as TDS?

There isn't such a thing as TDS. It's just a MAGAtard term.

TDS is real and you rolodex has MAGAtard written on every card. 

[GobbleDog 997]

2 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

What did he do to make Putin fearful of him and make him not attack Ukraine? Everything points to the opposite, right down to pulling out of NATO, which this current situation underscores as an absolutely terrible idea 

What did any US President or other world leader do? They all dropped the ball. From Bush Jr. to date.

When Russia carpet bombed Chechnya, the world did nothing. When Russia attacked Georgia, nothing. When Russia entered Syria and supplied the regime with chemical weapons, nothing. When Russia annexed Crimea, nothing. When Russia assassinated political leaders, sometimes while in foreign countries, nothing.

Had the world started heavy sanctions against Russia after all of those events, the Ukraine invasion never would've happened. Nobody is more surprised over the world's reaction to Ukraine than Putin.

[craftsman 1,045]

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

So Russia went into Ukraine a year after Joe was put in the WH (after already going into Ukraine when Joe was the VP almost 10 years prior) and it happened because there were rumors that Trump didn't like the idea of being NATO's lone foot soldier?   So when Biden entered with no intention of leaving NATO what so ever......THATS when Putin madd his way into Ukraine?

I mean okay....I guess....if thats the way you want to spin it.  

Trump had no means to pull out of NATO. It was literally impossible for him to do it. 

[Mike Honcho 5,288]

40 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

That is a somewhat fair post.

But what about Crimea?

 

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Does anyone have an theories as to why Putin was aggresive in taking Crimea while Obama was in the WH?

Because Putin rightly guessed that Obama was completely underestimating Putin and Russia, as we had been preoccupied with terrorists threats for a decade; and reasoned that the US response wouldn't be more than a slap on the wrist. 

 

[listen2me 23 1,873]

In the Trump years.

Trump: "we don't get a fair shake from NATO.  I am not sure we should even be in NATO"

Putin does nothing.

Biden elected.

Biden no intentions of leaving NATO for a solid 4 years of his term. 

Putin invades a year after Biden is inaugurated.

Liberals and GC Centrists: Putin went into Ukraine because Trump questioned NATO back a few years ago.

[craftsman 1,045]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

In the Trump years.

Trump: "we don't get a fair shake from NATO.  I am not sure we should even be in NATO"

Putin does nothing.

Biden elected.

Biden no intentions of leaving NATO for a solid 4 years of his term. 

Putin invades a year after Biden is inaugurated.

Liberals and GC Centrists: Putin went into Ukraine because Trump questioned NATO back a few years ago.

Can't even.make that up. We get definitive proof daily how dumb liberals are. 

[Mike Honcho 5,288]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

In the Trump years.

Trump: "we don't get a fair shake from NATO.  I am not sure we should even be in NATO"

Putin does nothing.

Biden elected.

Biden no intentions of leaving NATO for a solid 4 years of his term. 

Putin invades a year after Biden is inaugurated.

Liberals and GC Centrists: Putin went into Ukraine because Trump questioned NATO back a few years ago.

That's not what I said(or anyone I believe). 

I said he waited because was giving him what he wanted(reducing or not implementing congress approved sanctions), and therefore was in no rush to make his preferred President look bad.  Putin was anticipating a US pullback from NATO if Trump was re-elected and that's why he waited. Regardless of who was the US president, Putin was always going to try and retake the Ukraine. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

16 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He shut down his pipeline and sectioned him.  Cost him money via drill baby drill. Armed Ukraine. I’m sure there is more 

Well he did try to undermine arming the Ukraine with the whole blackmailing Zelensky to hurt his domestic political opponent thing… but you are right, he must’ve armed Ukraine because they were surprisingly ready and capable. That’s an interesting wrinkle for sure

[listen2me 23 1,873]

10 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

That's not what I said(or anyone I believe). 

I said he waited because was giving him what he wanted(reducing or not implementing congress approved sanctions), and therefore was in no rush to make his preferred President look bad.  Putin was anticipating a US pullback from NATO if Trump was re-elected and that's why he waited. Regardless of who was the US president, Putin was always going to try and retake the Ukraine. 

Then every president should play poker and question NATO.  You know if it means wars not starting.

What was the reason Putin decided to go in and take Crimea?

[craftsman 1,045]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Then every president should play poker and question NATO.  You know if it means wars not starting.

What was the reason Putin decided to go in and take Crimea?

Obama.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

13 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Well he did try to undermine arming the Ukraine with the whole blackmailing Zelensky to hurt his domestic political opponent thing… but you are right, he must’ve armed Ukraine because they were surprisingly ready and capable. That’s an interesting wrinkle for sure

Blackmail is only good when Biden did it. 

[Mike Honcho 5,288]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Then every president should play poker and question NATO.  You know if it means wars not starting.

What was the reason Putin decided to go in and take Crimea?

His not unsecret ambition to restore Russia to it's former cold war standing. Crimea was fairly easy as it still had a huge Russian population that never felt it was truly part of the Ukraine. It wasn't like Russia hadn't been making noise about doing it for the previous decade.

[craftsman 1,045]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Blackmail is only good when Biden did it. 

If you don't fire the prosecutor that is looking into my son, I'm not giving you the billion dollars. You have six hours to decide. Well I'll be damned, they fired the prosecutor. 

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Just now, Mike Honcho said:

His not unsecret ambition to restore Russia to it's former cold war standing. Crimea was fairly easy as it still had a huge Russian population that never felt it was truly part of the Ukraine. It wasn't like Russia hadn't been making noise about doing it for the previous decade.

So it really doesn't matter if he thinks US will be in NATO or not.  He will just do what he wants?  

So he sat on the sidelines while Trump was in because he hitched his wagon to "well one day Trump may get the US out of NATO"   Even though he understands Trump can't just magically make that happen himself?  

Wishful thinking from ol Vlad.  Good story though. 

[TimHauck 2,905]

2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Does anyone have an theories as to why Putin was aggresive in taking Crimea while Obama was in the WH? And why he was oddly was tame for like 4 years.  And now is again being aggressive invading Ukraine and taking more land?

 

2 hours ago, craftsman said:

Biden has been president for nearly 2 years now and the lefties are still screaming Trump!!! 

@craftsman, wouldn’t your answer to the above be Trump too?

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

37 times Clownzo was soft on Russia.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/17/politics/trump-soft-on-russia

Putin had a good thing going, so there was a reason not to rock the boat by attacking Ukraine.

But then he underestimated the Biden and NATO response and the Ukraine resolve and military capabilities, that and overestimating what his military could do. 

Not all that different from the German mindset going into World War II or the Confederacy mindset prior to Gettysburg or even the Civil War in general. 

Everything looks great on paper for Russia, but then came poorly maintained and outdated equipment, crapass leadership, terrible morale, poorly trained soldiers, corruption, sucky logistics and a highly determined and motivated enemy fighting for their country.

 

[listen2me 23 1,873]

2 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

37 times Clownzo was soft on Russia.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/17/politics/trump-soft-on-russia

Putin had a good thing going, so there was a reason not to rock the boat by attacking Ukraine.

But then he underestimated the Biden and NATO response and the Ukraine resolve and military capabilities, that and overestimating what his military could do. 

Not all that different from the German mindset going into World War II or the Confederacy mindset prior to Gettysburg or even the Civil War in general. 

Everything looks great on paper for Russia, but then came poorly maintained and outdated equipment, crapass leadership, terrible morale, poorly trained soldiers, corruption, sucky logistics and a highly determined and motivated enemy fighting for their country.

 

What did he have good going for him prior to when he forcefully went in and annexed Crimea?  What good thing did he lose in order for him to decide it was time to go get Crimea?

I know I know they are not the exact same. I agree.  Question remains...? 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

What did he have good going for him prior to when he forcefully went in and annexed Crimea?  What good thing did he lose in order for him to decide it was time to go get Crimea?

I know I know they are not the exact same. I agree.  Question remains...? 

Go read those 37 things. The usual peanut gallery will outright dismiss it because it came from CNN, but let's see them prove wrong any of those.