NATO confirms russia is moving nuclear missiles into position

[Pimpadeaux 2,274]

39 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/16/heres-where-trump-has-been-tough-on-russia--and-where-hes-backed-do.html

Thanks for the link. So he did some tough-guy things, but I see nothing there that would have scared Putin into not attacking Ukraine.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,691]

I remember Obama praising Putin, grateful for his assistance wit the Iran deal.  Lol 

[wiffleball 4,649]

You know what scares the hell out of me isn't the nuclear weapons. It's the fact that the Russians can't even make a God damn tank that doesn't explode. I'm a little less than confident in their nuclear arms building technology.

[Pimpadeaux 2,274]

10 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

You know what scares the hell out of me isn't the nuclear weapons. It's the fact that the Russians can't even make a God damn tank that doesn't explode. I'm a little less than confident in their nuclear arms building technology.

I read somewhere today that their tactical nukes are crapass and wouldn't be all that effective in the war. 

 

[dogcows 1,029]

So far, every Ukrainian official has told Musk to F off, while Russian officials are praising him. Pretty good sign of how unrealistic his “proposal” was. It was basically re-packaged Russian propaganda. But hey, his lawyers finally convinced him he couldn’t legally back out of the deal to buy Twitter. So maybe he’ll focus on that now instead.

[craftsman 1,045]

Russians invade Ukraine while Obama is president.

Russians do not dare invade Ukraine while Trump is president.

Russians invade Ukraine while Biden is president. 

[Hawkeye21 1,856]

2 minutes ago, craftsman said:

Russians invade Ukraine while Obama is president.

Russians do not dare invade Ukraine while Trump is president.

Russians invade Ukraine while Biden is president. 

In the most simplistic way that is correct. That doesn’t necessarily mean anything though. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,274]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

In the most simplistic way that is correct. That doesn’t necessarily mean anything though. 

Yeah, he's in Slingblade territory here. Ummmmm, mustard. 

No pandemic while Obama is president. 

Pandemic occurs while Clownzo is president.

Pandemic goes away while Biden is president.

[craftsman 1,045]

13 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

In the most simplistic way that is correct. That doesn’t necessarily mean anything though. 

Yes it does. Trump deterred Putin by being tough on Russia. Biden and Obama are wimp liberals. 

[Hawkeye21 1,856]

7 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Yeah, he's in Slingblade territory here. Ummmmm, mustard. 

No pandemic while Obama is president. 

Pandemic occurs while Clownzo is president.

Pandemic goes away while Biden is president.

Makes it sound incredibly dumb when you put it that way.  

[Hawkeye21 1,856]

Just now, craftsman said:

Yes it does. Trump deterred Putin by being tough on Russia. Biden and Obama are wimp liberals. 

That certainly is a theory. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,691]

8 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Yeah, he's in Slingblade territory here. Ummmmm, mustard. 

No pandemic while Obama is president. 

Pandemic occurs while Clownzo is president.

Pandemic goes away while Biden is president.

The pandemic was around longer during Biden than Trump. 

[craftsman 1,045]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The pandemic was around longer during Biden than Trump. 

Biden killed way more people with the pandemic than Trump did.

[Hawkeye21 1,856]

Just now, craftsman said:

Biden killed way more people with the pandemic than Trump did.

I didn’t realize any President killed people with a pandemic. That’s like super villain shite. 

[nobody 2,050]

I've been racking my brain trying to figure out why the US should even care about Ukraine.  

I'm quite sure there's a reason.  It just escapes me.

[craftsman 1,045]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I didn’t realize any President killed people with a pandemic. That’s like super villain shite. 

The Pimp guy said so.

[Hawkeye21 1,856]

4 minutes ago, nobody said:

I've been racking my brain trying to figure out why the US should even care about Ukraine.  

I'm quite sure there's a reason.  It just escapes me.

They’re allies… that’s all I got. 

[Reality 2,710]

10 minutes ago, nobody said:

I've been racking my brain trying to figure out why the US should even care about Ukraine.  

I'm quite sure there's a reason.  It just escapes me.

One family owes Ukraine quite a bit.

[nobody 2,050]

6 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

They’re allies… that’s all I got. 

Oh that's right.  Didn't we make some agreement with them that we would protect them if they gave up the nukes when the Soviet Bloc fell?

[nobody 2,050]

Looked up the Budapest Agreement, and saw this...

Quote

The memoranda, signed in Patria Hall at the Budapest Convention Center with US Ambassador Donald M. Blinken amongst others in attendance,^[2] prohibited the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations." As a result of other agreements and the memorandum, between 1993 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons.

I guess that doesn't really mean sh¡t.

[Pimpadeaux 2,274]

48 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Makes it sound incredibly dumb when you put it that way.  

No record hurricane season under Obama.

Record hurricane season under Clownzo.

No record hurricane season under Biden.

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https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-ukraine/#:~:text=U.S.-UKRAINE RELATIONS&text=U.S. policy is centered on,for economic growth and competition.

U.S.-UKRAINE RELATIONS

The United States established diplomatic relations with Ukraine in 1991, following its independence from the Soviet Union. The United States attaches great importance to the success of Ukraine as a free and democratic state with a flourishing market economy. U.S. policy is centered on supporting Ukraine in the face of continued Russian aggression as it advances reforms to strengthen democratic institutions, fight corruption, and promote conditions for economic growth and competition. The United States does not, and will not ever, recognize Russia’s attempted annexation of Crimea, and continues to work with our partners to seek a diplomatic solution to the Russia-instigated conflict in eastern Ukraine. The U.S.-Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership highlights the importance of the bilateral relationship and the continued commitment of the United States to support enhanced engagement between the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and Ukraine.

U.S. Assistance to Ukraine

U.S. Government assistance to Ukraine aims to support the development of a secure, democratic, prosperous, and free Ukraine, fully integrated into the Euro-Atlantic community.

Bilateral Economic Relations

The United States has granted Ukraine market economy status and terminated the application of the Jackson-Vanik amendment to Ukraine, giving Ukraine permanent normal trade relations status. The United States and Ukraine have a bilateral investment treaty. U.S. exports to Ukraine include coal, machinery, vehicles, agricultural products, fish and seafood, and aircraft.  U.S. imports from Ukraine include iron and steel, inorganic chemicals, oil, iron and steel products, aircraft, and agricultural products. The U.S.-Ukraine Council on Trade and Investment was established under the countries’ agreement on trade and investment cooperation and works to increase commercial and investment opportunities by identifying and removing impediments to bilateral trade and investment flows.

Ukraine’s Membership in International Organizations

Ukraine and the United States belong to a number of the same international organizations, including the United Nations, Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, International Monetary Fund, World Bank, World Trade Organization, and Euro-Atlantic Partnership Council. Ukraine also is an observer to the Organization of American States.

 

More recent reasons found here: https://www.state.gov/united-with-ukraine/ 

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call

Published

7 February 2014

An apparently bugged phone conversation in which a senior US diplomat disparages the EU over the Ukraine crisis has been posted online. The alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, appeared on YouTube on Thursday. It is not clearly when the alleged conversation took place.

Here is a transcript, with analysis by BBC diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus:

Warning: This transcript contains swearing.

Voice thought to be Nuland's: What do you think?

Jonathan Marcus: At the outset it should be clear that this is a fragment of what may well be a larger phone conversation. But the US has not denied its veracity and has been quick to point a finger at the Russian authorities for being behind its interception and leak.

Voice thought to be Pyatt's: I think we're in play. The Klitschko [Vitaly Klitschko, one of three main opposition leaders] piece is obviously the complicated electron here. Especially the announcement of him as deputy prime minister and you've seen some of my notes on the troubles in the marriage right now so we're trying to get a read really fast on where he is on this stuff. But I think your argument to him, which you'll need to make, I think that's the next phone call you want to set up, is exactly the one you made to Yats [Arseniy Yatseniuk, another opposition leader]. And I'm glad you sort of put him on the spot on where he fits in this scenario. And I'm very glad that he said what he said in response.

Jonathan Marcus: The US says that it is working with all sides in the crisis to reach a peaceful solution, noting that "ultimately it is up to the Ukrainian people to decide their future". However this transcript suggests that the US has very clear ideas about what the outcome should be and is striving to achieve these goals. Russian spokesmen have insisted that the US is meddling in Ukraine's affairs - no more than Moscow, the cynic might say - but Washington clearly has its own game-plan. The clear purpose in leaking this conversation is to embarrass Washington and for audiences susceptible to Moscow's message to portray the US as interfering in Ukraine's domestic affairs.

Nuland: Good. I don't think Klitsch should go into the government. I don't think it's necessary, I don't think it's a good idea.

Pyatt: Yeah. I guess... in terms of him not going into the government, just let him stay out and do his political homework and stuff. I'm just thinking in terms of sort of the process moving ahead we want to keep the moderate democrats together. The problem is going to be Tyahnybok [Oleh Tyahnybok, the other opposition leader] and his guys and I'm sure that's part of what [President Viktor] Yanukovych is calculating on all this.

Nuland: [Breaks in] I think Yats is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience. He's the... what he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week, you know. I just think Klitsch going in... he's going to be at that level working for Yatseniuk, it's just not going to work.

Pyatt: Yeah, no, I think that's right. OK. Good. Do you want us to set up a call with him as the next step?

Nuland: My understanding from that call - but you tell me - was that the big three were going into their own meeting and that Yats was going to offer in that context a... three-plus-one conversation or three-plus-two with you. Is that not how you understood it?

Pyatt: No. I think... I mean that's what he proposed but I think, just knowing the dynamic that's been with them where Klitschko has been the top dog, he's going to take a while to show up for whatever meeting they've got and he's probably talking to his guys at this point, so I think you reaching out directly to him helps with the personality management among the three and it gives you also a chance to move fast on all this stuff and put us behind it before they all sit down and he explains why he doesn't like it.

Nuland: OK, good. I'm happy. Why don't you reach out to him and see if he wants to talk before or after.

Pyatt: OK, will do. Thanks.

Nuland: OK... one more wrinkle for you Geoff. [A click can be heard] I can't remember if I told you this, or if I only told Washington this, that when I talked to Jeff Feltman [United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs] this morning, he had a new name for the UN guy Robert Serry did I write you that this morning?

Jonathan Marcus: An intriguing insight into the foreign policy process with work going on at a number of levels: Various officials attempting to marshal the Ukrainian opposition; efforts to get the UN to play an active role in bolstering a deal; and (as you can see below) the big guns waiting in the wings - US Vice-President Joe Biden clearly being lined up to give private words of encouragement at the appropriate moment.

Pyatt: Yeah I saw that.

Nuland: OK. He's now gotten both Serry and [UN Secretary General] Ban Ki-moon to agree that Serry could come in Monday or Tuesday. So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and to have the UN help glue it and, you know, the EU.

Jonathan Marcus: Not for the first time in an international crisis, the US expresses frustration at the EU's efforts. Washington and Brussels have not been completely in step during the Ukraine crisis. The EU is divided and to some extent hesitant about picking a fight with Moscow. It certainly cannot win a short-term battle for Ukraine's affections with Moscow - it just does not have the cash inducements available. The EU has sought to play a longer game; banking on its attraction over time. But the US clearly is determined to take a much more activist role.

Pyatt: No, exactly. And I think we've got to do something to make it stick together because you can be pretty sure that if it does start to gain altitude, that the Russians will be working behind the scenes to try to torpedo it. And again the fact that this is out there right now, I'm still trying to figure out in my mind why Yanukovych (garbled) that. In the meantime there's a Party of Regions faction meeting going on right now and I'm sure there's a lively argument going on in that group at this point. But anyway we could land jelly side up on this one if we move fast. So let me work on Klitschko and if you can just keep... we want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing. The other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych but we probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.

Nuland: So on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [US vice-president's national security adviser Jake] Sullivan's come back to me VFR [direct to me], saying you need [US Vice-President Joe] Biden and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets [details] to stick. So Biden's willing.

Pyatt: OK. Great. Thanks.

Jonathan Marcus: Overall this is a damaging episode between Washington and Moscow. Nobody really emerges with any credit. The US is clearly much more involved in trying to broker a deal in Ukraine than it publicly lets on. There is some embarrassment too for the Americans given the ease with which their communications were hacked. But is the interception and leaking of communications really the way Russia wants to conduct its foreign policy ? Goodness - after Wikileaks, Edward Snowden and the like could the Russian government be joining the radical apostles of open government? I doubt it. Though given some of the comments from Vladimir Putin's adviser on Ukraine Sergei Glazyev - for example his interview with the Kommersant-Ukraine newspaper the other day - you don't need your own listening station to be clear about Russia's intentions. Russia he said "must interfere in Ukraine" and the authorities there should use force against the demonstrators.

 

[Reality 2,710]

5 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The whole thing was debunked. That Kinda needs to be mentioned. You people are unreal. So weak, clinging to this nonsense. Look at you. 

It's incredible, they have no shame. TDS rots the brain.

[craftsman 1,045]

6 minutes ago, Reality said:

It's incredible, they have no shame. TDS rots the brain.

Early on I thought TDS was a half joke, but as time went on, it's been proven that there is absolutely no doubt it is 100% real.

[KSB2424 3,085]

 

[craftsman 1,045]

1 minute ago, KSB2424 said:

 

Some people will never get it. They call Putin a mad man who is capable of horrible atrocities against humanity, but, then when it comes to nukes, they say, no way would he do that. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,274]

7 minutes ago, craftsman said:

Some people will never get it. They call Putin a mad man who is capable of horrible atrocities against humanity, but, then when it comes to nukes, they say, no way would he do that. 

No one is saying he absolutely won't do it or isn't capable of it. But it's not his decision alone to make, and it's not like we can do anything about it but stay the course. 

What else are we supposed to do?

[JustinCharge 2,397]

3 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

No one is saying he absolutely won't do it or isn't capable of it. But it's not his decision alone to make, and it's not like we can do anything about it but stay the course. 

What else are we supposed to do?

we can repudiate biden , remove him from office, and get people in there to stop funding ukraine. 

[craftsman 1,045]

6 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

we can repudiate biden , remove him from office, and get people in there to stop funding ukraine. 

I really don't understand why liberals are so into funding a war we have no business being in. 

[craftsman 1,045]

On 10/3/2022 at 7:55 PM, Reality said:

Biden is shltting the bed at every single opportunity and liberals are worried about how Trump would hypothetically handle the situation...

Do you focking idiots ever get tired of looking like clowns? None of what is happening right now is good and Biden is at the helm not Trump. You people are the actual worst.

It's unbelievable isn't it?  But it's what liberals are doing across the board in this country. 

It's deflection on a massive scale like never seen before. 

[wiffleball 4,649]

3 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

and get people in there to stop funding ukraine. 

Hey, remember when we hated the russians? Why would you do that? .

[HellToupee 749]

 

[HellToupee 749]

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,545]

3 hours ago, HellToupee said:

 

 

3 hours ago, HellToupee said:

 

The same tin-pot saber rattling we see from North Korea and other tin-pot dictators all the time too. It's what small and weak men do when they can't fool anyone.

Putin knows how this will end for him, and it won't be pretty.