If CMC gets dealt

[himmystyles 30]

With reports that Carolina is listening to offers for mccaffrey, does this make you more or less inclined to be willing to trade him?  Does it not change anything in his case? 
obviously, much of this depends on where he goes, etc but just wondering as of now if it affects your decision making in trade negotiations involving him. 

[easilyscan 1,062]

If I owned him, & if I had above average depth at the position, I would be 'more inclined' to trade him. The reason being that for another owner who's desperate for a RB-1, expectations would be incredibly high, as he could end up on a far superior offensive team like the Bills, Rams, 49ers, or Eagles. Other possibilities are the Broncos & Commanders. The possibility that he could end up on one of the first 4 teams mentioned might entice the buyer to make me an incredible offer. 

[Law 263]

It's not very likely he gets dealt as:

1. His presence, or lack thereof, will be an importance piece to entice a new coach.

2. His deal is VERY beneficial to the Panthers and, for what he provides, they would need a substantial haul to trade him - which isn't very likely for a RB.

[polecatt 488]

I would think I would be more willing to hold onto him right now.

If he's traded, it's likely it's to a better team than the one he's on.

Maybe he's on a team with a little more depth and balance on offense and he's not worn down so fast but at the same time gives him better opportunity to score.

[weepaws 3,410]

2 hours ago, himmystyles said:

With reports that Carolina is listening to offers for mccaffrey, does this make you more or less inclined to be willing to trade him?  Does it not change anything in his case? 
obviously, much of this depends on where he goes, etc but just wondering as of now if it affects your decision making in trade negotiations involving him. 

Depends on where he goes.  

[Super Cubs 156]

Overpriced injury prone RB.  A team would have to be in it to win it this year to make any kind of investment in him and hope for the best.  I'm curious how much of his salary Carolina would have to eat to get a deal done. I don't really see them getting anything good in return in a straight up deal. 

[LaChup 277]

Whoever smelt it dealt it.

[weepaws 3,410]

2 hours ago, Super Cubs said:

Overpriced injury prone RB.  A team would have to be in it to win it this year to make any kind of investment in him and hope for the best.  I'm curious how much of his salary Carolina would have to eat to get a deal done. I don't really see them getting anything good in return in a straight up deal. 

How about the Rams? 

[LaChup 277]

I think the Saints should trade for him. Kamara and CMAC can block out Taysom on anything under 30 yards.

[weepaws 3,410]

I think if they can, the Dolphins should.  

[Super Cubs 156]

5 hours ago, weepaws said:

How about the Rams? 

Would be a nice fit but do they have the cap space and picks to get a deal done?

[himmystyles 30]

Would u guys deal him for Justin Jefferson right now In ppr straight up? 

[RedzoneMonster 110]

22 minutes ago, himmystyles said:

Would u guys deal him for Justin Jefferson right now In ppr straight up? 

If you’re still good at RB without CMC and weak at WR, the answer is yes. 

[jrokh 617]

I’d be surprised if CMC gets dealt, but it wouldn’t likely be to a team like the Rams. Carolina would want several decent to good draft picks. Rams have none. Philly has many, as do the fins…

[TimHauck 3,378]

I don’t see how his FF value could get any higher if he gets traded.

The concern with him isn’t the team he’s on, it’s his health.

But his value could probably take a hit if he goes somewhere that actually has another good RB.

[weepaws 3,410]

I think the team he is on doesn’t help him. So his value might not go up, but his ff production might. B

[Ray_T 794]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t see how his FF value could get any higher if he gets traded.

The concern with him isn’t the team he’s on, it’s his health.

But his value could probably take a hit if he goes somewhere that actually has another good RB.

I think his value goes up for most places he could possibly go.

hes on a bad team with a bad offense.

if he goes to a better team with a decent offense, his TD numbers go up and his garbage time touches go up big time.

if he goes to another bad team its tough to say what happens.   but a better team is almost always good for the RB stat line

[easilyscan 1,062]

He's sure advertising himself well today. 

 

[DonS 3,330]

A buddy pointed out that Zack Moss was a healthy scratch for BUF today.  Hmmm...

[TimHauck 3,378]

1 hour ago, Ray_T said:

I think his value goes up for most places he could possibly go.

hes on a bad team with a bad offense.

if he goes to a better team with a decent offense, his TD numbers go up and his garbage time touches go up big time.

if he goes to another bad team its tough to say what happens.   but a better team is almost always good for the RB stat line

I’m not so sure.  He’s basically their whole offense. Guess we shall see if it happens.

But any coach that plays him in actual garbage time is an idiot

[weepaws 3,410]

47 minutes ago, DonS said:

A buddy pointed out that Zack Moss was a healthy scratch for BUF today.  Hmmm...

That would be a very good landing spot for mr Mccaffery. 

[LaChup 277]

57 minutes ago, DonS said:

A buddy pointed out that Zack Moss was a healthy scratch for BUF today.  Hmmm...

One of my friends said that Akers was a healthy scratch today. Hmmm...

[Ray_T 794]

20 minutes ago, LaChup said:

One of my friends said that Akers was a healthy scratch today. Hmmm...

I have no doubt McVay would love to have him.    but I think working a deal to stay under the cap would be really tough.  maybe not impossible, but very difficult

[Ray_T 794]

50 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

But any coach that plays him in actual garbage time is an idiot

happens all the time in the NFL.

why?  players get paid based on what they produce.  if you sit them in garbage time they dont like it one bit and you end up with a dissatisfied player.

why do you think some teams run up the score?  its not about preserving the win.   They could do that by killing the clock.

[TimHauck 3,378]

17 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

happens all the time in the NFL.

why?  players get paid based on what they produce.  if you sit them in garbage time they dont like it one bit and you end up with a dissatisfied player.

why do you think some teams run up the score?  its not about preserving the win.   They could do that by killing the clock.

I’m not talking about any player, I’m taking about players like McCaffrey (well really just McCaffrey in particular) that are made of glass 

[Ray_T 794]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I’m not talking about any player, I’m taking about players like McCaffrey (well really just McCaffrey in particular) that are made of glass 

that may well be, but I doubt thats the way it will work out.    perhaps thats the way it should be I wont disagree with you there.  but thats not the way it is.

[TBayXXXVII 2,677]

On 10/15/2022 at 8:23 PM, Law said:

It's not very likely he gets dealt as:

1. His presence, or lack thereof, will be an importance piece to entice a new coach.

2. His deal is VERY beneficial to the Panthers and, for what he provides, they would need a substantial haul to trade him - which isn't very likely for a RB.

I agree with this.

[TBayXXXVII 2,677]

Possible trade partners:

• Baltimore: With all the injuries to their backs and if they're smart, it's their last or second to last season with Jackson, you gotta go now for the win.
• Jacksonville:  They could probably include Etienne in the deal to lessen the cost of a draft pick.  With a top 7 pick on the horizon, Etienne plus a 3rd is better than a 1st (for Jacksonville).  Their receiving corp blows and having a legit pass catcher/weapon like McCaffrey will be their best chance to help Lawrence be a legit QB.  Also, in that division, a 7-10 record may be all you need to win it.   This could get them there.
• Denver: Losing Williams is a killer when you have a mediocre QB.  They bought Fool's Gold when they traded for Wilson, but their vested, so they may need to double down and try to save the season.  They may be able to trade Williams and a 3rd rounder.
• San Francisco:  All they ever have is injured RB's.  Why not try for another one?  He's a big upgrade, but they don't have the draft capital.  They may need to be creative.

Whether those are deals that Carolina deals, I don't know, they're just teams that I thought would/should/could, be interested and why.

[rallo 139]

On 10/16/2022 at 9:19 AM, jrokh said:

I’d be surprised if CMC gets dealt, but it wouldn’t likely be to a team like the Rams. Carolina would want several decent to good draft picks. Rams have none. Philly has many, as do the fins…

I agree, I don't see him getting traded either, but MIA makes the most sense to me... not sure what they'd give. Other than Mostert and some picks. 

[rotisserieking 81]

Thinking outside the box, I'd love to see the Chiefs get him - could give back everything we got in the Hill deal. Obviously I have no clue about salary cap issues but damn, CMC on the Chiefs would be incredible.

[AxeElf 787]

McCaffrey accounted for 158 yards from scrimmage in Week 6.  The rest of the Panthers team accounted for 54.

If he's still with the team on Christmas Eve of this year, the Panthers will throw Christian at the Lions.

[crackills 25]

His highest fantasy value will be if he stays in Carolina.. he is literally the only O they have. Anywhere he is traded, will most likely have to share rb load with others. 

[Ray_T 794]

5 minutes ago, crackills said:

His highest fantasy value will be if he stays in Carolina.. he is literally the only O they have. Anywhere he is traded, will most likely have to share rb load with others. 

anyone trading for him doesnt have someone they feel comfortable with as a #1 RB.   This is not likely a situation where CMC would go into a time share.   

Not a significant one anyways.

Based on this, I suspect a time share isnt likely in his new home.

but I agree with the previous poster.  he wont come cheap.   it will either be draft picks or players or a combination of both.   Apparently hes on a team friendly contract at the moment so while I thought cap would prevent the rams from making this deal, I was likely wrong there.

but still, good players on a cheap contract?   tough to find.

I could see Buffalo biting on this.   They have the capital to spend if they feel this piece gets em the superbowl, then that is what they will do.

 

 

[weepaws 3,410]

1 hour ago, Ray_T said:

anyone trading for him doesnt have someone they feel comfortable with as a #1 RB.   This is not likely a situation where CMC would go into a time share.   

Not a significant one anyways.

Based on this, I suspect a time share isnt likely in his new home.

but I agree with the previous poster.  he wont come cheap.   it will either be draft picks or players or a combination of both.   Apparently hes on a team friendly contract at the moment so while I thought cap would prevent the rams from making this deal, I was likely wrong there.

but still, good players on a cheap contract?   tough to find.

I could see Buffalo biting on this.   They have the capital to spend if they feel this piece gets em the superbowl, then that is what they will do.

 

 

Agree, I think the Rams or Buffalo 

[TimHauck 3,378]

It’s interesting to see the talk of the Panthers possibly getting 2 firsts or something for him.  There were a fair amount of fans this off-season suggesting to trade him and I don’t think the expected return at that time was anything near what they’re talking about now.

[jrokh 617]

25 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

It’s interesting to see the talk of the Panthers possibly getting 2 firsts or something for him.  There were a fair amount of fans this off-season suggesting to trade him and I don’t think the expected return at that time was anything near what they’re talking about now.

Never say Never, but there is a next to zero chance they get two firsts for him. 

[Ray_T 794]

5 hours ago, TimHauck said:

It’s interesting to see the talk of the Panthers possibly getting 2 firsts or something for him.  There were a fair amount of fans this off-season suggesting to trade him and I don’t think the expected return at that time was anything near what they’re talking about now.

 

5 hours ago, jrokh said:

Never say Never, but there is a next to zero chance they get two firsts for him. 

I agree.

2 firsts is rich, but I could see a first and a player.

Rams dont have any firsts so if they want draft picks the Rams are out of the conversation entirely.

I think Buffalo may be willing to give a first and something else?    maybe a first and a second  or a first and a player.

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,677]

8 hours ago, Ray_T said:

 

I agree.

2 firsts is rich, but I could see a first and a player.

Rams dont have any firsts so if they want draft picks the Rams are out of the conversation entirely.

I think Buffalo may be willing to give a first and something else?    maybe a first and a second  or a first and a player.

 

I think McCaffrey's high cost and high risk (injury history), will greatly reduce his trade value.  If they get a player and more than a 3rd for him, I'll be surprised.  I'm not sure how much bonus/restructure money the acquiring team would be on the hook for, but his base salary plus roster bonus (that, I know they're on the hook for), will cost them at least $12M a year for each of the next 3 seasons.  I don't know how much a team is willing to give up for an oft-injured 26+ year old RB, with a ton of tread on the tires, who's locked in for 3 years.  I think they might get a 1st, straight up.  If a player's involved, I think a 3rd is the best they can hope for.

[Ray_T 794]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think McCaffrey's high cost and high risk (injury history), will greatly reduce his trade value.  If they get a player and more than a 3rd for him, I'll be surprised.  I'm not sure how much bonus/restructure money the acquiring team would be on the hook for, but his base salary plus roster bonus (that, I know they're on the hook for), will cost them at least $12M a year for each of the next 3 seasons.  I don't know how much a team is willing to give up for an oft-injured 26+ year old RB, with a ton of tread on the tires, who's locked in for 3 years.  I think they might get a 1st, straight up.  If a player's involved, I think a 3rd is the best they can hope for.

ok this does not feel like a team friendly contract.  strange how the articles seemed to say he was on a cheap, team friendly deal.  12 mil doesnt feel team friendly to me.  That said, at that salary I'm sure the rams are out.    unless they can dump a large contract in the process.

here is an article that highlights the misunderstanding:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/christian-mccaffrey-trade-rumors-panthers-would-want-multiple-first-round-picks-in-possible-trade-per-report/

from cbs:    McCaffrey renegotiated his deal to make $1.035 million in base salary in 2022, making it easier for a team to fit him under their salary cap this season, 

yes his base salary is low but the total salary is high.   it looks like a one year saving due to the restructure.

the article I read suggested he makes 1M and the cap hit was low (cant find that article now) 

but this is a big contract.  not something the rams can realistically absorb without giving up a player on another big contract.

I think the Bills are likely the only suitor  but I could be wrong.

[TBayXXXVII 2,677]

10 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

ok this does not feel like a team friendly contract.  strange how the articles seemed to say he was on a cheap, team friendly deal.  12 mil doesnt feel team friendly to me.  That said, at that salary I'm sure the rams are out.    unless they can dump a large contract in the process.

here is an article that highlights the misunderstanding:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/christian-mccaffrey-trade-rumors-panthers-would-want-multiple-first-round-picks-in-possible-trade-per-report/

from cbs:    McCaffrey renegotiated his deal to make $1.035 million in base salary in 2022, making it easier for a team to fit him under their salary cap this season, 

yes his base salary is low but the total salary is high.   it looks like a one year saving due to the restructure.

the article I read suggested he makes 1M and the cap hit was low (cant find that article now) 

but this is a big contract.  not something the rams can realistically absorb without giving up a player on another big contract.

I think the Bills are likely the only suitor  but I could be wrong.

Yeah, a trade for McCaffrey is only good for 1 year... this one.  After that, the deal sucks.  Sure, you get him for pennies this year, but you'll either have to pay him $12M each of the next 3 years, or cut him.  If you keep him, you're paying a lot for a high risk/reward guy who's aging (for a RB).  If you cut him, you just ponied up assets for 4 months of "going for it".  You better win the SB or you lost not only the trade, but you're making your future harder.