Do liberals still think that covid didn't come from the Wuhan lab that Fauci was funding?

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

I lost a half dozen clients - and the partner over our office - to COVID, and every one of them was an anti-vaxxer.

I had COVID about a month ago, and it was so mild that I wrote it off as seasonal allergies, but then my wife came down with the same symptoms and took a test, which was positive.

I credit the mildness to a combination of me being vaccinated with one booster and the strain being not as severe.

This whole angry ant-vax crap mixed with all the MAGAturd conspiracy theories is so laughable, and so many MAGAturds remained anti-vax even after their beloved Clownzo encouraged them to get the shot.

I don't focking care whether it escaped from a lab or came out of a bat's ass at an open market. It certainly wasn't intentional, because why would China want to do that to itself and the rest of the world? 

And what's with this ongoing obsession with Dr. Fauci? 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

6 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

Masks still don't work

You'd need a much bigger one to protect the public from seeing your gnarly Yooper face.

[Cdub100 3,837]

6 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You'd need a much bigger one to protect the public from seeing your gnarly Yooper face.

You have a face for radio, a voice for writing, and writing for a coloring book.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

8 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I lost a half dozen clients - and the partner over our office - to COVID, and every one of them was an anti-vaxxer.

I had COVID about a month ago, and it was so mild that I wrote it off as seasonal allergies, but then my wife came down with the same symptoms and took a test, which was positive.

I credit the mildness to a combination of me being vaccinated with one booster and the strain being not as severe.

This whole angry ant-vax crap mixed with all the MAGAturd conspiracy theories is so laughable, and so many MAGAturds remained anti-vax even after their beloved Clownzo encouraged them to get the shot.

I don't focking care whether it escaped from a lab or came out of a bat's ass at an open market. It certainly wasn't intentional, because why would China want to do that to itself and the rest of the world? 

And what's with this ongoing obsession with Dr. Fauci? 

It's also possible that your body is better at fighting it off because you've had it more than once.  Basically your body doing exactly what it's suppose to do.

[RogerDodger 797]

11 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I lost a half dozen clients - and the partner over our office - to COVID, and every one of them was an anti-vaxxer.

I had COVID about a month ago, and it was so mild that I wrote it off as seasonal allergies, but then my wife came down with the same symptoms and took a test, which was positive.

I credit the mildness to a combination of me being vaccinated with one booster and the strain being not as severe.

This whole angry ant-vax crap mixed with all the MAGAturd conspiracy theories is so laughable, and so many MAGAturds remained anti-vax even after their beloved Clownzo encouraged them to get the shot.

I don't focking care whether it escaped from a lab or came out of a bat's ass at an open market. It certainly wasn't intentional, because why would China want to do that to itself and the rest of the world? 

And what's with this ongoing obsession with Dr. Fauci? 

You not caring or wanting to know if the government lied to you sure helps explain how you got your view of the world.  

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

I know more people that lost their business and livelihood from the authoritarian lockdowns than I do that died from covid. 

[Voltaire 5,195]

We were fed two totally different stories about the effectiveness or not of the vaccine and I never did figure it out. When I returned to the US, I was going to get the Novavax vaccine since it was developed using standard method rather than the controversial mRNA method. But my wife didn't want it, the kids didn't need it and I didn't have a car. By the time I got a car, I just stopped caring; COVID has been pretty much been a non-factor since I got back and each strand gets milder and milder. 

When Peter Hotez refused to debate RFK about it, that spoke volumes about where the truth likely lies but who knows.

Anyway, we've got a bajillion page thread about that. This thread was supposed to be about the lab leak theory.

[RogerDodger 797]

7 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

I know more people that lost their business and livelihood from the authoritarian lockdowns than I do that died from covid. 

I don’t personally know anyone.  2 people that got it bad enough to be hospitalized, both old. 

We have ~20K people in our company and only one death.  

If you weren’t old or sickly there was no reason to lose your job for not getting vaccinated or have your business shut down.  None. 

[jerryskids 6,564]

43 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

If it's a real vaccine then it's the shlttiest vaccine.  The fact that they changed the definition of what a vaccine is after it came out was enough to show me it was all bs.

The vaccine definition was always what it is.  And we've always been at war with Eastasia.  

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

7 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

I don’t personally know anyone.  2 people that got it bad enough to be hospitalized, both old. 

We have ~20K people in our company and only one death.  

If you weren’t old or sickly there was no reason to lose your job for not getting vaccinated or have your business shut down.  None. 

I had two people close to me pass away from covid in 2020.  It still hasn't changed my opinion on it and the vaccine though.

[Mark Davis 339]

14 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

I know more people that lost their business and livelihood from the authoritarian lockdowns than I do that died from covid. 

I didn't lose my business, but had I not been well established and had a healthy balance sheet going into it I would have.  We went from being very profitable to losing money that year.  The worst part for us was our capital was tied up in a frozen supply chain with no way to even liquidate it to access cash.  Again, very fortunate we still had the cash on hand as a business, and personally, to withstand it.  When I do my personal financials every year I always think of "what if" we had just had a normal 2020.

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

19 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

You not caring or wanting to know if the government lied to you sure helps explain how you got your view of the world.  

So you're saying the Clownzo Administration lied to us?

[Baker Boy 1,688]

2 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

So you're saying the Clownzo Administration lied to us?

I never heard of this administration, where do you live?

[nobody 2,564]

37 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

 

I don't focking care whether it escaped from a lab or came out of a bat's ass at an open market. It certainly wasn't intentional, because why would China want to do that to itself and the rest of the world? 

We know you don't care.  That's why no one cares what you say.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,237]

58 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

If it's a real vaccine then it's the shlttiest vaccine.  The fact that they changed the definition of what a vaccine is after it came out was enough to show me it was all bs.

magaturd

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

Just now, nobody said:

We know you don't care.  That's why no one cares what you say.

Oooooo, sick burn, bro.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

magaturd

Yep.  That's me.

[nobody 2,564]

Just now, Pimpadeaux said:

Oooooo, sick burn, bro.

Grown folks are talking.  Clean out the litter pans and ask your wife what you're supposed to think about Hamas.

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

Grown folks are talking.  Clean out the litter pans and ask your wife what you're supposed to think about Hamas.

Keep obsessing over old news and not move on with your life. 

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/origins-of-sars-cov-2

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The reason why people thought that it wasn’t the market was because the Wuhan Virology Institute—a laboratory where scientists study coronaviruses—is in the same city. People thought that it came from [that] lab. 

But the evidence shows that the market was definitely the culprit, just as in 2003, when a live animal market led to the emergence of SARS—a smaller pandemic, but nonetheless very concerning.

WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AT THIS ANIMAL MARKET?

Three-quarters of the early cases had some association with the market and none had an association with the laboratory. Even though the market and the laboratory are both in Wuhan, they are in different parts of the city separated by a river.

 

 

[RogerDodger 797]

15 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

So you're saying the Clownzo Administration lied to us?

Pick any administration you want.  What a dumb question.  

[lod001 1,344]

1 hour ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I lost a half dozen clients - and the partner over our office - to COVID, and every one of them was an anti-vaxxer.

I had COVID about a month ago, and it was so mild that I wrote it off as seasonal allergies, but then my wife came down with the same symptoms and took a test, which was positive.

I credit the mildness to a combination of me being vaccinated with one booster and the strain being not as severe.

This whole angry ant-vax crap mixed with all the MAGAturd conspiracy theories is so laughable, and so many MAGAturds remained anti-vax even after their beloved Clownzo encouraged them to get the shot.

I don't focking care whether it escaped from a lab or came out of a bat's ass at an open market. It certainly wasn't intentional, because why would China want to do that to itself and the rest of the world? 

And what's with this ongoing obsession with Dr. Fauci? 

Thinking the jab did anything to lessen symptoms = RETARD! I know zero people that died from covid but I know quite a few that took the jabs and are now dead.

Holy sh1t, you are one stupid fock. Multiple players in this criminal act. Each with their own reason to unleash it. China used the opportunity criminal fauci gave them as a test you tard. They now know they do not need nuclear weapons to wipe out anyone they want. Just need to unleash a virus with a higher mortality rate. Fock, you are stupid.

 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

3 minutes ago, lod001 said:

I know zero people that died from covid but I know quite a few that took the jabs and are now dead.

You know multiple people who died because of the vaccine?

[lickin_starfish 1,893]

8 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You know multiple people who died because of the vaccine?

I know multiple people who had side effects. My sister developed seizures, a guy I work with got Bells Palsy, and another coworker had a heart attack. All of them were fine before the injections.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, lickin_starfish said:

I know multiple people who had side effects. My sister developed seizures, a guy I work with got Bells Palsy, and another coworker had a heart attack. All of them were fine before the injections.

I don't think I personally know of anyone that had issues from the vaccine yet, surprisingly.  I really hope I won't anytime soon either.

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

1 hour ago, Mark Davis said:

I didn't lose my business, but had I not been well established and had a healthy balance sheet going into it I would have.  We went from being very profitable to losing money that year.  The worst part for us was our capital was tied up in a frozen supply chain with no way to even liquidate it to access cash.  Again, very fortunate we still had the cash on hand as a business, and personally, to withstand it.  When I do my personal financials every year I always think of "what if" we had just had a normal 2020.

I was in the same boat didn’t take ppp because I’m a sole proprietor but anyone in the restaurant business that didn’t do large takeout before the lockdowns in my area didn’t survive. It’s sad and was totally unnecessary.

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don't think I personally know of anyone that had issues from the vaccine yet, surprisingly.  I really hope I won't anytime soon either.

My buddies daughter collapsed at basketball practice the day after the Pfizer shot and developed myocarditis.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Just now, Dizkneelande said:

My buddies daughter collapsed at basketball practice the day after the Pfizer shot and developed myocarditis.

I've seen it plenty of times on social media but have yet to see it in my area schools.  It's possible it has happened and I never heard about it too.  It hasn't happened at my son's school as far as I know.  My wife and son got the vaccine even though I was against it and I hope nothing happens to them.

[jerryskids 6,564]

1 hour ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Keep obsessing over old news and not move on with your life. 

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/origins-of-sars-cov-2

 

You know this has been debunked, right? I believe the latest is "we aren't really sure.  Allegedly."  

[shadrap 220]

3 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

If it's a real vaccine then it's the shlttiest vaccine.  The fact that they changed the definition of what a vaccine is after it came out was enough to show me it was all bs.

yes siri Bob!  correcto.

[shadrap 220]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don't think I personally know of anyone that had issues from the vaccine yet, surprisingly.  I really hope I won't anytime soon either.

google Eric Clapton-covid shot.

pretty brutal.

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

21 hours ago, jerryskids said:

You know this has been debunked, right? I believe the latest is "we aren't really sure.  Allegedly."  

You got a link to that?

 

[jerryskids 6,564]

20 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You got a link to that?

 

To be clear:  when I say debunked, I mean that this statement in your link:

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But the evidence shows that the market was definitely the culprit, just as in 2003, when a live animal market led to the emergence of SARS—a smaller pandemic, but nonetheless very concerning.

"Definitely the culprit" is categorically false.  Raw data became available some time later (apparently to the chagrin of China, as it soon was deleted).  But that data showed only that Covid and animal (and human) genes were all found in the stalls, not that there was some ground-zero animal that was tested.  Had an infected person from the lab visited the wet market, they would have found the same evidence.

So I'm not saying it was definitely a lab leak; I'm say that it was NOT definitely a wet market origin, given current data.

The following may be the article I read a while back, from NYT.  It seems familiar anyway:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak.html

US agencies are also split on the origins:

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And at this point, the U.S. intelligence community still has no consensus about the origin of SARS-CoV-2. Four of the eight intelligence agencies lean toward a natural origin for the virus, with "low confidence," while two of them — the DOE and the Federal Bureau of Investigation — support a lab origin, with the latter having "moderate confidence" about its conclusion.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/02/28/1160162845/what-does-the-science-say-about-the-origin-of-the-sars-cov-2-pandemic

[nobody 2,564]

Anyone who believes this sh¡t didn't leak from the Wuhan lab is a gullible idiot.  Hell, I bet people like that would've been dumb enough to piss money away donating to BLM.

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

1 hour ago, nobody said:

Anyone who believes this sh¡t didn't leak from the Wuhan lab is a gullible idiot.  Hell, I bet people like that would've dumb enough to piss money away donating to BLM.

It says a lot. They are corporate media muppets.

[TimHauck 2,615]

On 10/11/2023 at 5:15 PM, Hawkeye21 said:

I've seen it plenty of times on social media but have yet to see it in my area schools.  It's possible it has happened and I never heard about it too.  It hasn't happened at my son's school as far as I know.  My wife and son got the vaccine even though I was against it and I hope nothing happens to them.

Did your wife already have Covid prior to the vaccine being available to her?

[jerryskids 6,564]

I just had a thought... one of the articles I read in providing Rusty his links said something about another SARS virus coming from this wet market in 2003.  What if... China put this lab in Wuhan for exactly this situation -- a killer virus gets out, and they have plausible deniability by blaming the wet market.  I'm not sure what our relative relationship was back when the lab was built, but we're clearly China's biotch these days and will gladly swallow whatever story they tell us to believe.  

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

23 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I just had a thought... one of the articles I read in providing Rusty his links said something about another SARS virus coming from this wet market in 2003.  What if... China put this lab in Wuhan for exactly this situation -- a killer virus gets out, and they have plausible deniability by blaming the wet market.  I'm not sure what our relative relationship was back when the lab was built, but we're clearly China's biotch these days and will gladly swallow whatever story they tell us to believe.  

Yeah, that was a big, scary story back then. Here's a look at the similarities and differences between the two:

https://www.healthline.com/health/coronavirus-vs-sars#symptoms

A similar coronovirus - MERS - broke out in the Middle East about a decade later.

What a lot of people don't know about the COVID vaccine is that it wasn't just something whipped up in 2020.

Work on coronovirus vaccines ramped up with SARS.

So there were decades of research already in the can when COVID came along. 

This is why I was fine with the vaccine, which I believe has been highly effective in lessening COVID, particularly deaths from it. 

COVID-19 wasn't created in the lab, according to myriad virologists who studied it.

I don't rule out that someone at the Wuhan lab accidentally caught it and became Patient Zero for the pandemic. Hell, ebola almost got out of a lab in Reston, Va. A book called "The Hot Zone" covered it and the origins of that terrible disease. Scary focking book right there.

Of course China would cover it up if it did get out of the lab, but I don't buy into any of this conspiracy nonsense that it was created in a lab and deliberately spread. 

If that were the case, China would have already developed a vaccination to protect its own people and not taken the extreme clampdown measures.

 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

28 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Did your wife already have Covid prior to the vaccine being available to her?

No. I did though. We had a birthday party for my daughter at the end of October 2020 and almost every adult male got covid. No kids or women did. Strange. 

[TimHauck 2,615]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

No. I did though. We had a birthday party for my daughter at the end of October 2020 and almost every adult male got covid. No kids or women did. Strange. 

Why were you against it then?  I understand being against it for kids or people that already had Covid (which seemed to be your position based on prior comments), but the reward outweighed the risk for pretty much all adults that had not yet had Covid.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Why were you against it then?  I understand being against it for kids or people that already had Covid (which seemed to be your position based on prior comments), but the reward outweighed the risk for pretty much all adults that had not yet had Covid.

Because I don’t think healthy people were in need of it. I wasn’t against the vaccine in general, just hated that it was forced on people. I was skeptical of a vaccine that came available so quickly as well. When I asked my Dr. he didn’t really have a reason to tell me to get it other than the experts said it over 90% effective. That was not true.