Do liberals still think that covid didn't come from the Wuhan lab that Fauci was funding?

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Is it more "racist" to think the Chineese purposely leaked a lab-created bioweapon, or is it more "racist" to believe the virus jumped to humans because the Chineese eat weird-ass mamals from an unsanitary street market?

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14 hours ago, dogcows said:

The scientific data is out there. Disputing it without presenting other data isn’t skepticism; it’s foolishness.

So yeah, if a movement is spouting ideas that are easily debunked by mountains of data, then it’s pretty fair to label it a right wing conspiracy theory.

I’m all for alternative ideas - if they’re backed by the data. Rejecting bad ideas is a good thing. I don’t see why anybody should take even 1 second to consider a flat earth-er for example.

No disputing is how science is done, that is the scientific method....you question, and discuss.... this notion that questioning without proof is absurd....

When challenged these people pointed to the "professionals" and said, they are learned....they are educated....they are scientists....and when their counterparts dared to question....those folks were silenced....and that is disturbing, and should never happen

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1 hour ago, RLLD said:

No disputing is how science is done, that is the scientific method....you question, and discuss.... this notion that questioning without proof is absurd....

When challenged these people pointed to the "professionals" and said, they are learned....they are educated....they are scientists....and when their counterparts dared to question....those folks were silenced....and that is disturbing, and should never happen

If the anti-vax crowd was silenced, how was I reading their crap every day?

They can say whatever they want, no matter how stupid and wrong it is. But no newspaper or website or social media company is obligated to post that crap for them. Guess what? They still found megaphones to spout their BS.

I will make this comparison: nobody is stopping the crazy guy with his “The End is Nigh!” sign from walking around town. But the local newspaper isn’t required to publish his manifesto. He ain’t being silenced. He simply isn’t being given a free megaphone.

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9 minutes ago, dogcows said:

If the anti-vax crowd was silenced, how was I reading their crap every day?

They can say whatever they want, no matter how stupid and wrong it is. But no newspaper or website or social media company is obligated to post that crap for them. Guess what? They still found megaphones to spout their BS.

I will make this comparison: nobody is stopping the crazy guy with his “The End is Nigh!” sign from walking around town. But the local newspaper isn’t required to publish his manifesto. He ain’t being silenced. He simply isn’t being given a free megaphone.

I think we likely have to agree to disagree. Those few who were able to get any alternative views out there were castigated at the least and silenced at worst

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1 hour ago, RLLD said:

No disputing is how science is done, that is the scientific method....you question, and discuss.... this notion that questioning without proof is absurd....

When challenged these people pointed to the "professionals" and said, they are learned....they are educated....they are scientists....and when their counterparts dared to question....those folks were silenced....and that is disturbing, and should never happen

If you’re referring to the lab leak theory, I agree.  If you’re referring to the vaccine, I disagree.

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3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

If you’re referring to the lab leak theory, I agree.  If you’re referring to the vaccine, I disagree.

LibThink:   The scientific method is good if it agrees with my position, but bad if it does not. 

You can't make this stuff up.

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2 minutes ago, Strike said:

LibThink:   The scientific method is good if it agrees with my position, but bad if it does not. 

You can't make this stuff up.

Says the guy who says it’s fine to take statements out of context as long as you don’t use quotation marks, lol.

But no, the lab leak theory was pretty much shut down right away.  Initially, there was some actual discussion about the vaccine effectiveness.  As the data continually showed they were truly effective at preventing deaths (and even pretty effective at preventing infections per-Omicron albeit not as good as the trials), it changed from “questioning” to outright lies.

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4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Says the guy who says it’s fine to take statements out of context as long as you don’t use quotation marks, lol.

Never said that, but I'm not surprised you didn't understand the point.  I tried. 

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5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

But no, the lab leak theory was pretty much shut down right away.

Shut down?  Is that the new term for silenced/censored?  Because it has never been disproven.  If anything, the evidence more strongly supports that theory than the wet market theory.

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3 minutes ago, Strike said:

Shut down?  Is that the new term for silenced/censored?  Because it has never been disproven.  If anything, the evidence more strongly supports that theory than the wet market theory.

 

15 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I'm guessing this is the video to which he was referring.  If so, perhaps you'd prefer "backfill"? This site likes to quibble over words recently, especially if they support Leftist ideologies, so you'll fit in nicely.   

Especially leftists, lol

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Guys, sometimes we’ll just never know. Was Covid a lab leak, who all the sexual predators were that used Ghisllaine Maxwell, what all was on the Hunter Biden Laptop? 

It’s SCIENCE.  Just wonders of the world that can never be known.  Deal with it.  

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1 hour ago, RLLD said:

I think we likely have to agree to disagree. Those few who were able to get any alternative views out there were castigated at the least and silenced at worst

Who was silenced, and by whom? As for people being castigated, you don’t think it’s fair to criticize others? What about the critics’ free speech?

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46 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Guys, sometimes we’ll just never know. Was Covid a lab leak, who all the sexual predators were that used Ghisllaine Maxwell, what all was on the Hunter Biden Laptop? 

It’s SCIENCE.  Just wonders of the world that can never be known.  Deal with it.  

Stay in school kids, or else ^^

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1 hour ago, Strike said:

LibThink:   The scientific method is good if it agrees with my position, but bad if it does not. 

You can't make this stuff up.

The data on the vaccine’s effectiveness is voluminous. Questioning its effectiveness after billions of proven effective doses is akin to questioning if gravity really exists, claiming that it needs more study.

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vaccinated people who never had covid were at least three times as likely to be infected as unvaccinated people with prior infection

I cannot believe WaPo is allowing this to be printed....it confirms the "right wingers" and completely refutes Democrats.....what the hell.....

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9 minutes ago, RLLD said:

vaccinated people who never had covid were at least three times as likely to be infected as unvaccinated people with prior infection

I cannot believe WaPo is allowing this to be printed....it confirms the "right wingers" and completely refutes Democrats.....what the hell.....

Paywall.  What is the timeframe of the data?  If it is during Omicron, it doesn’t “confirm” sh1t, not to mention most normal people didn’t doubt natural immunity anyway 

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6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Paywall.  What is the timeframe of the data?  If it is during Omicron, it doesn’t “confirm” sh1t, not to mention most normal people didn’t doubt natural immunity anyway 

Hate that paywall stuff.... 

Will try to locate the details, let me add some content here...

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Two months after their shots, people who had been vaccinated & never had covid had 2x the number of infections as people who never received vaccines but had recently recovered from covid. After six months, the first group’s infection rate was nearly 3x higher than the second’s

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vaccinated people who never had covid were at least three times as likely to be infected as unvaccinated people with prior infection.”

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“…those who were vaccinated but never had covid were four times as likely to have severe illness resulting in hospitalization or death compared to the unvaccinated who recovered from it. Protection from natural immunity also wanes at a slower rate than from vaccination.

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People who only received 2 Covid vaccine shots “are almost certainly less protected from covid than people who have had the virus.” “…for those who with documented prior infection, I’m not convinced that the (Covid vaccine) mandate makes them—or others around them—any safer.”

 

I think that if one resides in a high risk category you should strongly consider that vaccination.  The lethality of the disease continues to show it hit those high risk groups.....not the average person, and certainly not in a way that justified the duration of the lock downs.....the knew early on who it was more of a problem for, but continued anyway....it was divisive and they friggin loved that.

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No way!

How can it be??

You dont say....

Now, will all of these media outlets now apologize for framing those who made this common sense assertion over the last few years as "fringe" and touting "debunked" information or spreading "disinformation"......

I rather doubt it.....

What about all you lemmings out there who bought this story of natural sources?

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I don't think it came from china. It's mighty fishy that they suddenly stopped calling it The Corona virus don't you think?

 

If only Dump would have built the wall!

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It's been pretty obvious for a long time this has been the case.

As always seems to happen, unsurprisingly, the independent minded conservatives in this thread are right and the MSM-spoonfed lie-absorbing liberals are wrong. Another thread that didn't age well for them.

You have to get a broad range of information and make your own decisions, rather than let Don Lemon make them for you. Sadly, people often take short cuts as that's very time consuming.

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3 hours ago, RLLD said:

No way!

How can it be??

You dont say....

Now, will all of these media outlets now apologize for framing those who made this common sense assertion over the last few years as "fringe" and touting "debunked" information or spreading "disinformation"......

I rather doubt it.....

What about all you lemmings out there who bought this story of natural sources?

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The Energy Department has now concluded with "low confidence" that the COVID-19 pandemic most likely began after an unintentional laboratory leak in China, according to the Wall Street Journal, which cited a classified intelligence report provided to the White House and members of Congress.

There are two competing theories about what started the COVID-19 pandemic in China: that the virus jumped from animals to humans at a market, and that it was accidentally leaked from a lab where researchers were studying coronaviruses. Neither has had enough evidence so far to be conclusive.

The Wall Street Journal and New York Times both reported that the Energy Department, citing new intelligence, changed its stance on the origins of the pandemic but the conclusion was relatively weak. USA TODAY could not independently confirm the reports. 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

Go with that......this is how it is done.  They will start with low confidence (ref Hunter Biden laptop) and gradually admit it.  This is a solid first step, and a rather crafty way for the administration to slowly allow it to enter the dialogue.

If you do not see this for what it is, yet, I get that.  Eventually your ideological leaders will tell you what to think, and you will be allowed to utter the truth. For now, we just wait. 

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[The Real timschochet 6,662]

I thought the main issue was whether or not it was intentional. If it was unintentional then who cares how it got here? 

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1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

It's been pretty obvious for a long time this has been the case.

As always seems to happen, unsurprisingly, the independent minded conservatives in this thread are right and the MSM-spoonfed lie-absorbing liberals are wrong. Another thread that didn't age well for them.

You have to get a broad range of information and make your own decisions, rather than let Don Lemon make them for you. Sadly, people often take short cuts as that's very time consuming.

It's all coming full circle now, this, the vaccine and that mask don't work at all. The GOV punked us  worse then Jake or Logan Paul could do.

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22 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I thought the main issue was whether or not it was intentional. If it was unintentional then who cares how it got here? 

The fact that they lied and covered it up doesn’t give any concern that there is more to it?

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59 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I thought the main issue was whether or not it was intentional. If it was unintentional then who cares how it got here? 

Because you should worry about them accidentally leaking something else in the future that may even be worse.

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Seriously,  pretty early on I've thought it came from a Chinese lab and accidentally got to the public. I don't get why people are more pissed at Fauci than they are at the Chinese who caused this thing.  Nobody had seen this kind of thing in their lifetimes. Many, many mistakes have been made through the entire ordeal, but I also think that most of them were caused by people and institutions trying to protect others, and it was not some sinister plot. They were spit balling with very little real-world data and I really believe they tried their best, which in a lot of cases was just not nearly good enough.

 

A lot of people made mistakes including Fauci and the CDC.

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I thought the main issue was whether or not it was intentional. If it was unintentional then who cares how it got here? 

Someone may well have made a solid case for studying gain of function research pre-2019, and all the lives we can save if only we knew such-and-such. I can see how well intended people could have disagreed. The process was banned in the US, but other countries were willing to try. 

I think this is the result of sloppy safety protocols and short cuts, rather than any nefarious intention of anyone. Patient Zero knows who he was and how dangerous he was but he was like "f*ck that quarantine sh*t, I'm going to go shopping and go home" and somebody allowed him to leave the building.

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23 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

Seriously,  pretty early on I've thought it came from a Chinese lab and accidentally got to the public. I don't get why people are more pissed at Fauci than they are at the Chinese who caused this thing.  Nobody had seen this kind of thing in their lifetimes. Many, many mistakes have been made through the entire ordeal, but I also think that most of them were caused by people and institutions trying to protect others, and it was not some sinister plot. They were spit balling with very little real-world data and I really believe they tried their best, which in a lot of cases was just not nearly good enough.

 

A lot of people made mistakes including Fauci and the CDC.

Fauci and the CDC didn't make mistakes.  They were covering it up on purpose.

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You could  fly out of Wuhan to the rest of the world while Wuhan was on lockdown. No biggie. Couldn’t fly from Wuhan to other parts of China though. But who cares? It was Trumps fault. 

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I am entertained that people are aware of this virus originating near Wuhan.....where there is a COVID research facility.....and where gain of function is transpiring....and where the lab is a level 2 but should be a level 4...... but the notion that this virus came from that lab is somehow silly......

I mean, you look back at the media.....Faucci.....the Democrats....all rallying to defend China.  What in the actual fock people.......

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1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I am entertained that people are aware of this virus originating near Wuhan.....where there is a COVID research facility.....and where gain of function is transpiring....and where the lab is a level 2 but should be a level 4...... but the notion that this virus came from that lab is somehow silly......

I mean, you look back at the media.....Faucci.....the Democrats....all rallying to defend China.  What in the actual fock people.......

liberals have no sense of accountability.  when they post on this forum, they are not doing so in good faith.   they are here only to attack.  they could care less about defending any of their positions.

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1 hour ago, BeenHereBefore said:

Because you should worry about them accidentally leaking something else in the future that may even be worse.

Bank on it. We may all be dead before it happens but make no mistake, if they can come up with a virus that wipes out the population and they have the cure, they will do it. This test proved that they don't need nukes. Just a virus.

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48 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

Seriously,  pretty early on I've thought it came from a Chinese lab and accidentally got to the public. I don't get why people are more pissed at Fauci than they are at the Chinese who caused this thing.  Nobody had seen this kind of thing in their lifetimes. Many, many mistakes have been made through the entire ordeal, but I also think that most of them were caused by people and institutions trying to protect others, and it was not some sinister plot. They were spit balling with very little real-world data and I really believe they tried their best, which in a lot of cases was just not nearly good enough.

 

A lot of people made mistakes including Fauci and the CDC.

cause doushbag Fauci said he is the science, we funded that lab, Fauci owns patents to vaccines

 

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6 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

cause doushbag Fauci said he is the science, we funded that lab, Fauci owns patents to vaccines

 

Proven over and over to be false. His names are on some patents, three, and all of them are for HIV,

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49 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

Seriously,  pretty early on I've thought it came from a Chinese lab and accidentally got to the public. I don't get why people are more pissed at Fauci than they are at the Chinese who caused this thing.  Nobody had seen this kind of thing in their lifetimes. Many, many mistakes have been made through the entire ordeal, but I also think that most of them were caused by people and institutions trying to protect others, and it was not some sinister plot. They were spit balling with very little real-world data and I really believe they tried their best, which in a lot of cases was just not nearly good enough.

 

A lot of people made mistakes including Fauci and the CDC.

1)  It is illegal for the U.S. to fund gain of function research.  We were doing so.   There has been no accountability which will just embolden the next Fauci to continue these risky, illegal, practices.

2)  There are standards for different types of labs and precautions that need to be taken when dealing with different types of research, precisely to avoid just such an incident as happened here.  The Wuhan lab was NOT adhering to those standards.

3)  Our government, in cahoots with the tech industry, purposely suppressed information about the lab leak for 12-18 months.  They only relented because of the constant pressure and proof that the lab leak was likely. 

4)  Because of the sweeping under the rug of the lab leak theory, no proper investigation has been done.  As a result, for all we know the Wuhan lab is continuing it's unsafe practices in violation of industry standards which keeps us at risk of another such incident.

I could go on and on.  I can't understand why people such as yourself and Timscrotch just shrug this off.  We all lost years of our lives due to this thing and  had to inject an unproven drug in to our bodies just to be allowed back in to society.  Not to mention the millions of lives lost and continued impact on every aspect of our lives. and when it happens again you won't see the correlation between our inaction in addressing the cause of this incident and the next such incident.

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I've never shrugged it off, but I will never know why it got about politics. Mistakes, big ones, cost all of us. I just don't see everything as partisan.

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7 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

I've never shrugged it off, but I will never know why it got about politics. Mistakes, big ones, cost all of us. I just don't see everything as partisan.

LOL, that's funny.