Tennessee passes bill gutting marriage rights

[GutterBoy 2,899]

It's just about the kids, right?

 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

I imagine the excuses will be vast on this....or there will just be general silence

[iam90sbaby 2,611]

Based. Seethe libtards.

[iam90sbaby 2,611]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

I imagine the excuses will be vast on this....or there will just be general silence

And celebration.

[seafoam1 3,031]

Good. 

And I thought the word 'equality' was replaced completely with "equity' by the libs. Seems they use it as they see fit now. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,546]

Marriage doesn't belong in the government purview.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,446]

Why do I get the feeling there’s more to this story? I’ll hold off in condemning it. 

[iam90sbaby 2,611]

Homogenous couples should get bigger tax breaks.

[The Real timschochet 6,774]

Both political parties have extremists with some very wild ideas. The difference is that Democrats rarely allow their nuts any real power, while in the Republican Party the crazies can be dominant. 

[seafoam1 3,031]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Both political parties have extremists with some very wild ideas. The difference is that Democrats rarely allow their nuts any real power, while in the Republican Party the crazies can be dominant. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

The Republicans are quickly becoming the party hell bent on denying rights of the people they don't like.

This is gonna work out great in the general election.

[Baker Boy 1,699]

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why do I get the feeling there’s more to this story? I’ll hold off in condemning it. 

From the OP:

The Tennessee House of Representatives has passed a bill that would allow people to refuse to perform a marriage if they disagree with it.

[Thornton Melon 620]

I don't see a problem with it, as long as they don't allow gubmint employees, i.e., municipal clerks, to refuse to issue a marriage license.

If you're gay, and want to marry your boyfriend,  find someone willing to perform the ceremony. Hell, just about anybody can get ordained online these days.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,446]

11 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

The Republicans are quickly becoming the party hell bent on denying rights of the people they don't like.

This is gonna work out great in the general election.

Like on Jan 6 ?

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

I believe this legislation could have been drafted more tightly, and narrowly.  The drafting welcomes the interpretations being advanced in this thread. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,446]

14 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

From the OP:

The Tennessee House of Representatives has passed a bill that would allow people to refuse to perform a marriage if they disagree with it.

Yeah, so it’s not “gutting” gay marriage or interracial marriage.  Guttertard falls for it again. That being said, the clerks should do their job. It’s not a religious ceremony.  Don’t like it? Get another job.  I disagree with this proposed law but it seems to be grandstanding to me. What do the kids call it , a “nothing burger”?  Sounds right. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,546]

11 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

From the OP:

The Tennessee House of Representatives has passed a bill that would allow people to refuse to perform a marriage if they disagree with it.

So basically an effort to preemptively stop lawsuits (a la Colorado baker).  They can still get married, they just can't force someone against it, to perform the ceremony?

[Fnord 2,275]

16 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

The Republicans are quickly becoming the party hell bent on denying rights of the people they don't like.

MAGAs love to go off about libs wanting to destroy and curtail our rights while unironically supporting garbage like this. It's how you know they're stupid.

[Baker Boy 1,699]

2 minutes ago, Fnord said:

MAGAs love to go off about libs wanting to destroy and curtail our rights while unironically supporting garbage like this. It's how you know they're stupid.

what rights are being violated here?

[dogcows 1,030]

10 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I believe this legislation could have been drafted more tightly, and narrowly.  The drafting welcomes the interpretations being advanced in this thread. 

That is one of the biggest issues with ALL the recent “red state” laws. They say a law is meant to keep porn out of school libraries. But… that was already illegal. And the new law was written in such a way as to make every book a possible lawbreaker. And since they made it a felony, and nobody knows what books are or aren’t banned, the schools took out all the books to make sure none of the teachers ended up in jail because a group of parents decide they don’t like Goodnight Moon anymore.

They’re using legislation as virtue signaling, but the side effects are badly-written laws that cause major problems.

[TBayXXXVII 2,546]

51 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

It's just about the kids, right?

 

 

49 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I imagine the excuses will be vast on this....or there will just be general silence

 

31 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Both political parties have extremists with some very wild ideas. The difference is that Democrats rarely allow their nuts any real power, while in the Republican Party the crazies can be dominant. 

 

29 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

The Republicans are quickly becoming the party hell bent on denying rights of the people they don't like.

This is gonna work out great in the general election.

 

11 minutes ago, Fnord said:

MAGAs love to go off about libs wanting to destroy and curtail our rights while unironically supporting garbage like this. It's how you know they're stupid.

To think... I thought you'd guys would be against the guy tweeting and the person writing the article for "misinformation".  Guess that door only swings one way.  

[jerryskids 6,800]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, so it’s not “gutting” gay marriage or interracial marriage.  Guttertard falls for it again. That being said, the clerks should do their job. It’s not a religious ceremony.  Don’t like it? Get another job.  I disagree with this proposed law but it seems to be grandstanding to me. What do the kids call it , a “nothing burger”?  Sounds right. 

The clerks thing is unclear to me.  I agree with you that a clerk should do their job and issue licenses as per the laws of the state; if you don't like it, get another job.  Does this bill allow them to do otherwise?  If so, then I disagree with it.

[Fnord 2,275]

8 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

what rights are being violated here?

Did you look at the article? ANYONE can refuse to officiate or potentially refuse to issue a marriage license to people, just because. Clergy I get giving a pass to, given religious freedom. But allowing a county clerk to refuse to issue a marriage license because they refuse to reevaluate their own antiquated beliefs? BS. More trampling on individual rights by the party that skyscreams about 1A and 2A incessantly. Individual freedom is not reserved just for the people that look and think a certain way.

[posty 2,700]

37 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Both political parties have extremists with some very wild ideas. The difference is that Democrats rarely allow their nuts any real power, while in the Republican Party the crazies can be dominant. 

At least use better bait...

[Hardcore troubadour 15,446]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

The clerks thing is unclear to me.  I agree with you that a clerk should do their job and issue licenses as per the laws of the state; if you don't like it, get another job.  Does this bill allow them to do otherwise?  If so, then I disagree with it.

That’s my take. Its a civil ceremony. Their religious views don’t factor in as far as I’m concerned.  Suck it up.  

[GutterBoy 2,899]

9 minutes ago, dogcows said:

That is one of the biggest issues with ALL the recent “red state” laws. They say a law is meant to keep porn out of school libraries. But… that was already illegal. And the new law was written in such a way as to make every book a possible lawbreaker. And since they made it a felony, and nobody knows what books are or aren’t banned, the schools took out all the books to make sure none of the teachers ended up in jail because a group of parents decide they don’t like Goodnight Moon anymore.

They’re using legislation as virtue signaling, but the side effects are badly-written laws that cause major problems.

Yup, and they recently banned drag shows, but the way they wrote the legislation it bans "Male and Female Impersonators", so a dude wearing a dress?  Illegal.  Public viewing of Mrs Doubtfire?  Illegal.  Dude wearing a kilt on St Patty's Day?  Well we'll find out...

[Hardcore troubadour 15,446]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Yup, and they recently banned drag shows, but the way they wrote the legislation it bans "Male and Female Impersonators", so a dude wearing a dress?  Illegal.  Public viewing of Mrs Doubtfire?  Illegal.  Dude wearing a kilt on St Patty's Day?  Well we'll find out...

Wrong. Wow. No one banned drag shows. You idiot 

[MDC 7,435]

I was told Republicans don’t care about the gays anymore.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,546]

Just now, MDC said:

I was told Republicans don’t care about the gays anymore.  

Bill has nothing to do with preventing gay people from anything.  

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

3 hours ago, dogcows said:

That is one of the biggest issues with ALL the recent “red state” laws. They say a law is meant to keep porn out of school libraries. But… that was already illegal. And the new law was written in such a way as to make every book a possible lawbreaker. And since they made it a felony, and nobody knows what books are or aren’t banned, the schools took out all the books to make sure none of the teachers ended up in jail because a group of parents decide they don’t like Goodnight Moon anymore.

They’re using legislation as virtue signaling, but the side effects are badly-written laws that cause major problems.

I have very fond memories of reading Goodnight Moon, night after night, to my youngest many years ago now.  It was what replaced the reading of You are a Good Dog, Carl.  She was also fond of Dr., Seuss.  Mostly though I read her stories I wrote.  She is trying to have those professionally illustrated and published.  who knows. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Wrong. Wow. No one banned drag shows. You idiot 

https://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/113/Bill/SB0003.pdf

) It is an offense for a person to engage in an adult cabaret
performance:
(A) On public property;

[GutterBoy 2,899]

3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Bill has nothing to do with preventing gay people from anything.  

Two gay people want to get married, county clerk doesn't want them to get married, they don't get a license.  Get it?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,446]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

https://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/113/Bill/SB0003.pdf

) It is an offense for a person to engage in an adult cabaret
performance:
(A) On public property;

On public property. That’s not banning them. That’s narrowly restricting them. Think we should have strippers at halftime of the HS football game? No you don’t.  That doesn’t mean strip clubs are illegal. Simpleton. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,546]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

https://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/113/Bill/SB0003.pdf

) It is an offense for a person to engage in an adult cabaret
performance:
(A) On public property;

What's wrong with saying they don't want adult behavior out in the open?  They're saying you can do it in private... being it home OR business, it just can't be where kids can see it.  Weird that you defend adult behavior in front of children.

[Horseman 2,459]

§ 36-3-301. Persons Who May Solemnize Marriages

Has nothing to do with clerks issuing marriage licenses.  It has to do with religious leaders or government workers solemnizing marriages.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,446]

Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

What's wrong with saying they don't want adult behavior out in the open?  They're saying you can do it in private... being it home OR business, it just can't be where kids can see it.  Weird that you defend adult behavior in front of children.

He always does. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

What's wrong with saying they don't want adult behavior out in the open?  They're saying you can do it in private... being it home OR business, it just can't be where kids can see it.  Weird that you defend adult behavior in front of children.

Kids can't see a drag show at home or at a business?  It's not about protecting the kids, enough with this BS.

Also public property does not mean "out in the open"

[TBayXXXVII 2,546]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Two gay people want to get married, county clerk doesn't want them to get married, they don't get a license.  Get it?

Like I said, I thought you'd be against "misinformation".  I guess not.  You see, a clerk not issuing the license in NOT in the bill... only affects people who perform marriages.  It gives them protection from a lawsuit.   Something Colorado chose not to do.

[jerryskids 6,800]

6 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Two gay people want to get married, county clerk doesn't want them to get married, they don't get a license.  Get it?

I don't see the proof of that.  The article says it, and their link to support it says the following:

Quote

While lawmakers wrangled over some of the bill’s details, one Tennessean said the bill has broader effects. Michael Rady, who described himself as a Nashville resident and voter, asked the committee if they wanted a headline to read, “Tennessee lawmakers make marriage white-only and straights-only in 2023.”

Rady explained the bill would apply not only to religious leaders but to county clerks who certify marriage licenses. He said it would be a “jumbo-sized green light for any county clerk to deny a marriage license to a couple based on their race, gender, or religion.”

He said he and his partner are planning a Tennessee wedding this fall. The couple is gay and Rady said he is Jewish, while his partner is not. While their save-the-date cards have already been mailed, he said the bill would jeopardize his marriage and those of all LGBTQ couples here. 

”No spiritual leader is compelled under any law to officiate a wedding they disagree with,” Rady said. “As someone planning a gay, interfaith wedding here in Tennessee, I’m here to tell you that I can’t imagine anyone like me wanting to have their wedding officiated by someone who is against it.”

https://www.memphisflyer.com/state-bill-threatens-lgbtq-marriage-here-opponents-say

So... some dood who is a gay Jew says it is the case.  None of the lawmakers on either side of the debate seems to be saying it though.

If I'm wrong and clerks can refuse to issue the license, then I'm on record as saying I disagree.  But this seems like the "don't say gay" MSM message to the lemmings about a bill that doesn't say gay.  

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Both political parties have extremists with some very wild ideas. The difference is that Democrats rarely allow their nuts any real power, while in the Republican Party the crazies can be dominant. 

I needed this laugh  This is more proof that if you side with the left then you are a liar. Cause this is a lie and from what I’ve seen, you tend to post quite a bit of lies. Get called out on them and all you do is double down