Marine doing Marine sh!t

[thegeneral 2,910]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think the 40+ people the dead punk victimized before he finally found someone who would stand up to him should consider helping pay for the marines legal defense….the guy did society a big favor

I don’t know if killing the guy is the best outcome but I agree the people on that subway train will play the most important role in the Marine’s fate here.

[League Champion 1,896]

12 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

don’t know if killing the guy is the best outcome

Pretty sure it was a perfect outcome

 

[RLLD 4,143]

10 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I don’t know if killing the guy is the best outcome but I agree the people on that subway train will play the most important role in the Marine’s fate here.

Yea the people on the train, but he had over 40 incidents prior to this one….

It’s not unlike aggressive driving, you can get away with it for a long time….but out there somewhere is a scenario that ends you….

The criminal picked the wrong person to fock with and now he is dead, and I actually feel really good about it 

I bet if there were a cop on that train the outcome would have been better, but hey we have to pretend cops are the problem…right?

I know…….accountability sucks…it’s racist….and expecting people to behave with some level of normalcy is racist….but if we don’t either make people stop being sh1tty or add more cops we will get more people handling it on their own 

[thegeneral 2,910]

23 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Pretty sure it was a perfect outcome

 

I am not a fan of people getting killed. Sad story all around. 

[jerryskids 6,567]

17 hours ago, dogcows said:

“Upstanding” people generally lose that status when they kill somebody… just saying.

Getting a bit more into the details, there will be a lot to consider as to what charges the killer should (or shouldn’t) face. Here is a good interview with lawyers about what might happen:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/jordan-neely-chokehold-death-legal-experts-anna-cominsky-david-schwartz-break-down-whats-next/ar-AA1aNLgg

You can "just say it," but it isn't true.

[thegeneral 2,910]

22 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Yea the people on the train, but he had over 40 incidents prior to this one….

It’s not unlike aggressive driving, you can get away with it for a long time….but out there somewhere is a scenario that ends you….

The criminal picked the wrong person to fock with and now he is dead, and I actually feel really good about it 

I bet if there were a cop on that train the outcome would have been better, but hey we have to pretend cops are the problem…right?

I know…….accountability sucks…it’s racist….and expecting people to behave with some level of normalcy is racist….but if we don’t either make people stop being sh1tty or add more cops we will get more people handling it on their own 

People shouldn’t pretend as if all cops are a problem. I don’t know if this is a position held by many people in government, I would not support that position.

Cops should certainly have extra scrutiny and be held to a higher standard however.

 

[dogcows 1,030]

19 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You can "just say it," but it isn't true.

What is his defense for killing Neely? Neely wasn’t armed. He hadn’t touched Penny. So I cannot see self-defense as feasible.

Who knows if he will be charged. After all, he’s a white Marine - so automatically a hero, right? And the guy he killed was black and mentally ill, so why will anybody care that he’s dead?

But if he is charged, I expect his lawyers might be able to get lesser charges by claiming he didn’t mean to kill him.

And a random sad irony about this tragedy: the victim’s mom was also murdered when he was a kid - also choked to death.

[dogcows 1,030]

55 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Yea the people on the train, but he had over 40 incidents prior to this one….

It’s not unlike aggressive driving, you can get away with it for a long time….but out there somewhere is a scenario that ends you….

The criminal picked the wrong person to fock with and now he is dead, and I actually feel really good about it 

I bet if there were a cop on that train the outcome would have been better, but hey we have to pretend cops are the problem…right?

I know…….accountability sucks…it’s racist….and expecting people to behave with some level of normalcy is racist….but if we don’t either make people stop being sh1tty or add more cops we will get more people handling it on their own 

This mirrors what a lot of people are saying. Basically, yeah he murdered the guy, but they approve of the murder.

[thegeneral 2,910]

13 minutes ago, dogcows said:

What is his defense for killing Neely? Neely wasn’t armed. He hadn’t touched Penny. So I cannot see self-defense as feasible.

Who knows if he will be charged. After all, he’s a white Marine - so automatically a hero, right? And the guy he killed was black and mentally ill, so why will anybody care that he’s dead?

But if he is charged, I expect his lawyers might be able to get lesser charges by claiming he didn’t mean to kill him.

And a random sad irony about this tragedy: the victim’s mom was also murdered when he was a kid - also choked to death.

This is obviously a tragedy. People cheering for this guy’s death is messed up. He also appeared to be a menace and people going about their day shouldn’t have to put up with this. This is a failure of the system in NYC. 

The prosecutors in NYC have to take in all the eye witnesses info, the Marine and determine if they are going to press charges.This is a very complicated case.

[Reality 3,097]

 

[Mr Fantasy 67]

 

[League Champion 1,896]

Imagine having to deal with this everyday? And people wonder why Cops have to dispose of them? 

 

[RLLD 4,143]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

This mirrors what a lot of people are saying. Basically, yeah he murdered the guy, but they approve of the murder.

Yep, that’s my position on it.

[Reality 3,097]

Just now, RLLD said:

Yep, that’s my position on it.

Yup, count me in that group as well.

[League Champion 1,896]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

This mirrors what a lot of people are saying. Basically, yeah he murdered the guy, but they approve of the murder.

Absolutely, one more violent crackhead off the streets. And that's a bad thing how? 

[dogcows 1,030]

More reports and video are coming out. Bystanders told the killer to stop, that he was killing the victim. He didn’t stop. The victim lost control of his bowels, which people told the killer, saying he’s about to die. The killer didn’t stop.

I think this killer needs to spend a lot of time behind bars.

”Upstanding” my a$$. 

https://apple.news/AK2JMShZETiS7XCVzKPzmnQ

[thegeneral 2,910]

6 minutes ago, dogcows said:

More reports and video are coming out. Bystanders told the killer to stop, that he was killing the victim. He didn’t stop. The victim lost control of his bowels, which people told the killer, saying he’s about to die. The killer didn’t stop.

I think this killer needs to spend a lot of time behind bars.

”Upstanding” my a$$. 

https://apple.news/AK2JMShZETiS7XCVzKPzmnQ

I believe, if I heard correctly and the law was accurately explained, that in NY the reaction by the Marine has to be considered a proportionate response.

If there are people on the train who were telling him to stop that would seem to me to have some bearing in determining that.

If there are people who said they legitimately felt threatened that also has to be weighed.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

30 minutes ago, dogcows said:

More reports and video are coming out. Bystanders told the killer to stop, that he was killing the victim. He didn’t stop. The victim lost control of his bowels, which people told the killer, saying he’s about to die. The killer didn’t stop.

I think this killer needs to spend a lot of time behind bars.

”Upstanding” my a$$. 

https://apple.news/AK2JMShZETiS7XCVzKPzmnQ

He's a geek club hero. 

[HellToupee 1,587]

 

Rumor has it Dana is hosting Penny tonight at 288 in NJ

[League Champion 1,896]

47 minutes ago, dogcows said:

think this killer needs to spend a lot of time behind bars.

”Upstanding” my a$$. 

Snowflake Ideology 101

Good riddance scumbag. If the soldier does have to do time then so be it. In the end he did everyone on the planet a favor. I love how you're more concerned about a lifetime criminal over a good Samaritan who served his Country well. Nice job snowflake  

[KSB2424 3,148]

How many African American young men died by violence today?  Nobody cares about those people.  For some reason it’s the dregs of society people put on pedestals.  Such a strange phenomenon; I don’t get it.  

[RLLD 4,143]

2 hours ago, dogcows said:

More reports and video are coming out. Bystanders told the killer to stop, that he was killing the victim. He didn’t stop. The victim lost control of his bowels, which people told the killer, saying he’s about to die. The killer didn’t stop.

I think this killer needs to spend a lot of time behind bars.

”Upstanding” my a$$. 

https://apple.news/AK2JMShZETiS7XCVzKPzmnQ

Not surprised. Once a Marine is engaged, this is certainly a possible outcome.

Fock around and find out, of course he does this to the right color person and no one cares.

The good news is that the dead creep won’t run his tally of victims up into the 50’s

[League Champion 1,896]

Watching live feeds on Twitch. The Schwoogs are out protesting, getting ready to get free sneakers and flat screen TVs tonight. Stay tuned 

[Reality 3,097]

The battle to be a liberal, this is the shlt you have to get outraged about. Defending a complete p.o.s. because, why? 

Y'all look away when actual injustice is happening. I'm glad there are still a few men left. 

[League Champion 1,896]

The Left love protesting. What the hell are they protesting?? How many whites get killed by blacks every hour in NYC?

NYC protesters demand justice, clash with police while blocking subway tracks

https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-protesters-demand-justice-clash-police-while-blocking-subway-tracks

[League Champion 1,896]

 

[Engorgeous George 2,131]

20 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Show me where that’s required in the law or constitution?

I can't.  I cannot also show you in the law or the Constitution where it says to not poke a bear from inside the cage, where it says cto not get involved in a kland war in asia, where it saysx to not go in against a Scilian when death is on the line, or thousands of other irrelevant non sequiturs.  We were talking about judgment, not strict legality.  Rittenhouse lacked judgment.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

I’m glad the Marine/Hero is ok.  It looked like he could have hurt his elbow. 

[Engorgeous George 2,131]

I have no difficulty whatsoever with the marine having engaged.  I would have had no difficulty if the engacgement lead to injury.  I do wonder, however, aboput continuing with a choke hold for that duration.  In light of the fact that the world is well aware of positional asphyxiation since george floyd one wonders why the marine and the other concerned citizens did not advance to othe4r tactics during the enbcounter.  Once the crazy was controlled they could have retrained him in ohter ways.  had i been there i would have suggested using mr. Crazy's shoe laces and belt to tie him up until the next stop.   In short I find the applicatikon of the choke hold appropriate, but the time of that application potentially inappropriate.

[Engorgeous George 2,131]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m glad the Marine/Hero is ok.  It looked like he could have hurt his elbow. 

And now we learn he may have gotten feces or piss on himself for his troubles.

[League Champion 1,896]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m glad the Marine/Hero is ok.  It looked like he could have hurt his elbow. 

Yeah, I was worried about how twisted up he got. The Liberal wouldn't stop squirming. 

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

16 hours ago, dogcows said:

More reports and video are coming out. Bystanders told the killer to stop, that he was killing the victim. He didn’t stop. The victim lost control of his bowels, which people told the killer, saying he’s about to die. The killer didn’t stop.

I think this killer needs to spend a lot of time behind bars.

”Upstanding” my a$$. 

https://apple.news/AK2JMShZETiS7XCVzKPzmnQ

If that is true it’s going to change my mind on this affair. The attitude expressed by several people here that “yes it’s murder but I’m glad it happened” is not one that I can ever accept. I don’t regard it as a respectable position. If it’s murder then Penny deserves to go to jail. 
 

But I don’t think it’s murder. Not at this point. The bystanders telling him to stop would change my mind- if it happened. 

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

16 hours ago, dogcows said:

More reports and video are coming out. Bystanders told the killer to stop, that he was killing the victim. He didn’t stop. The victim lost control of his bowels, which people told the killer, saying he’s about to die. The killer didn’t stop.

I think this killer needs to spend a lot of time behind bars.

”Upstanding” my a$$. 

https://apple.news/AK2JMShZETiS7XCVzKPzmnQ

OK I just read the full article. And what you wrote here is not exactly true. According to the article, one guy warned Penny that he needed to stop, and then another guy told Penny to stop and stand up, and Penny then released Neely and rose to his feet. 
 

You wrote “he didn’t stop.” and “the killer didn’t stop.” That would imply Penny knew that Neeley would die and meant for it to happen (making him, Penny, a murderer.) But that’s not what took place: Penny DID stop once the bowels were released and Neely’s  life was threatened and it was clear that Neely no longer was a threat. Which would go back to proving my initial conclusion: this was NOT murder and Penny did nothing knowingly wrong. 
 

That’s how I see it anyhow at this point without more information. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

35 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

If that is true it’s going to change my mind on this affair. The attitude expressed by several people here that “yes it’s murder but I’m glad it happened” is not one that I can ever accept. I don’t regard it as a respectable position. If it’s murder then Penny deserves to go to jail. 
 

But I don’t think it’s murder. Not at this point. The bystanders telling him to stop would change my mind- if it happened. 

Celebrating a murder is about as low as you can get, and of course we see the true pieces of sh1t on this board doing it.

I don't know if it was murder or not, that's for a jury to decide.  But from what we know, it's not self defense, this guy was not a threat, and the marine did exactly what he was trained to do.

[BillyKing 83]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Celebrating a murder is about as low as you can get, and of course we see the true pieces of sh1t on this board doing it.

I don't know if it was murder or not, that's for a jury to decide.  But from what we know, it's not self defense, this guy was not a threat, and the marine did exactly what he was trained to do.

Pretty sure you and the rest of the liberal trash defended the tranny that shot up a school of Christian’s. So fock off you lying POS 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 minutes ago, BillyKing said:

Pretty sure you and the rest of the liberal trash defended the tranny that shot up a school of Christian’s. So fock off you lying POS 

Find it you lying pr1ck.

I never defended the disgusting trash tranny that murdered kids 

[BillyKing 83]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Find it you lying pr1ck.

I never defended the disgusting trash tranny that murdered kids 

Liar 

[jerryskids 6,567]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

I have no difficulty whatsoever with the marine having engaged.  I would have had no difficulty if the engacgement lead to injury.  I do wonder, however, aboput continuing with a choke hold for that duration.  In light of the fact that the world is well aware of positional asphyxiation since george floyd one wonders why the marine and the other concerned citizens did not advance to othe4r tactics during the enbcounter.  Once the crazy was controlled they could have retrained him in ohter ways.  had i been there i would have suggested using mr. Crazy's shoe laces and belt to tie him up until the next stop.   In short I find the applicatikon of the choke hold appropriate, but the time of that application potentially inappropriate.

This is pretty much where I stand, without the typos.    Seriously though, I think it is important to differentiate if it was OK for him to engage (I have no problem with it) vs. his skill at the choke hold:  we hear that he was a Marine and think oh, he knew what he was doing, he's a fighting machine!  Well, maybe, but that wasn't a very effective carotid choke.  If so he should have been out in seconds.  But Penny never cinched it with his other arm.  He certainly doesn't look like an MMA expert.  

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

13 minutes ago, BillyKing said:

Liar 

No he’s telling the truth. You’re lying. There’s not a single person here who celebrated those insane murders. If you can find someone who did, post it. Otherwise shut the hell up. 

[League Champion 1,896]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

No he’s telling the truth. You’re lying. There’s not a single person here who celebrated those insane murders. If you can find someone who did, post it. Otherwise shut the hell up. 

For the record I am not defending the murder, I'm not crying a river either. This guy was a criminally insane scumbag, it's hardly a loss. 

If it's proven to be murder then he'll do his time. The guy was probably on so much crack that his heart stopped.