Marine doing Marine sh!t

[Hardcore troubadour 14,917]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

 How? For the same reasons the actions of Kyle Rittenhouse and George Zimmerman became political discussions.

And serving your country does not give one a license to be a vigilante and kill people on public transit who you find disruptive.

Cuck

[edjr 6,578]

2 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

The background of the crazy dude or the Marine have absolutely no bearing on this case. The only question is, did the Marine go too far?

Is he trained to break the hold or subdue the person? Maybe we need more MMA referees and less police. 

[nobody 2,557]

10 minutes ago, squistion said:

 How? For the same reasons the actions of Kyle Rittenhouse and George Zimmerman became political discussions.

And serving your country does not give one a license to be a vigilante and kill people on public transit who you find disruptive.

Oh so it's getting political because people want to gain from pitting races against each other.

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

20 minutes ago, edjr said:

The law had done so well the 1st 30 times. 

Christ I hate getting involved in this. but is anyone paying attention? This isn't Derek Chauvin. 

At what point to we allow people to kill each other?  Do we turn the NYC Subways into the Purge?

[edjr 6,578]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

At what point to we allow people to kill each other?  Do we turn the NYC Subways into the Purge?

At what point do we lock up people that punched a 67 year old woman and have an active warrant? At what point can innocent people go about their day and take the subway without being accosted? 

[paulinstl 296]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

At what point do we lock up people that punched a 67 year old woman and have an active warrant? At what point can innocent people go about their day and take the subway without being accosted? 

At what point does a brave act of stopping a threat become a criminal act? That is the only question here. The rest is all noise that people on both sides want to use to further a political agenda.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

3 minutes ago, edjr said:

At what point do we lock up people that punched a 67 year old woman and have an active warrant? At what point can innocent people go about their day and take the subway without being accosted? 

I agree that he should have been either locked up or committed or whatever, but we can't allow people to just kill other people they don't like.  Come on man.

[edjr 6,578]

6 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

At what point does a brave act of stopping a threat become a criminal act? That is the only question here. The rest is all noise that people on both sides want to use to further a political agenda.

 

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I agree that he should have been either locked up or committed or whatever, but we can't allow people to just kill other people they don't like.  Come on man.

I appreciate what both of you are saying and I don't have the answer. This guy wasn't a vigilante and out to kill someone. I hate that someone trying to do the right thing is now arrested. We need more people getting involved in society, not less. This is bad all around

[GutterBoy 2,898]

3 minutes ago, edjr said:

 

I appreciate what both of you are saying and I don't have the answer. This guy wasn't a vigilante and out to kill someone. I hate that someone trying to do the right thing is now arrested. We need more people getting involved in society, not less. This is bad all around

There are videos out there of people doing the right thing, either stopping or subduing criminals.  The marine didn't have to kill him, and he should have known this.  That's why he's on trial.

[edjr 6,578]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

There are videos out there of people doing the right thing, either stopping or subduing criminals.  The marine didn't have to kill him, and he should have known this.  That's why he's on trial.

This is still political. If he were not a white marine, he would not be on trial. If he were a black man, AOC would not tweet about it. 

[nobody 2,557]

Once he has the guy in the choke hold, how is he supposed to make a judgement call on when the guy is "subdued"

If he lets him go too early, he and the people on the train are in danger.  And, of course, if he lets him go too late, the guy can die.  Given those options, wouldn't you expect him to err on the safety of himself and those around him?

I don't get why we want to turn shìtbags into martyrs.  It's just going to encourage more shìtbags.  This dude, George Floyd, etc.  Most of these guys are dying as a direct result of being shìtbags.  That's not to say they should die, but they shouldn't be held up as martyrs either.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,917]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

At what point to we allow people to kill each other?  Do we turn the NYC Subways into the Purge?

I think 13 people were murdered in the NYC subway system last year.  Where were you for them? P.S., that’s a lot, considering no one lives there. 

[paulinstl 296]

Watch the video, the guy was out cold. Even if he came around, the Marine was right there to subdue him again if needed. That's how it's gonna be put in front of a jury. Everybody is aware the homeless crazy person was at fault, that is not the question. The question is, did it go too far? All the rest is BS, martyr, c'mon.

[jerryskids 6,556]

49 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

Watch the video, the guy was out cold. Even if he came around, the Marine was right there to subdue him again if needed. That's how it's gonna be put in front of a jury. Everybody is aware the homeless crazy person was at fault, that is not the question. The question is, did it go too far? All the rest is BS, martyr, c'mon.

I agree with you on the question, but a few things.  The video I saw showed the homeless person moving at the very end.  In fact he was flailing through much of it; I don't mean that in a bad way, but rather to show that he was still very much awake.  I've questioned the expertise of the Marine for this particular hold, since if applied correctly the guy would have been out in seconds, but I don't think that means he shouldn't use it, since he is not acting in the capacity of an expert, but rather a random subway rider.

Also, there are plenty of people including several in this thread who are not aware that the homeless person was at fault.  And he is being made something of a, maybe "martyr" is a bit much, but he has often been labeled as a Michael Jackson impersonator in an attempt to deflect from his history.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,917]

1 hour ago, paulinstl said:

Watch the video, the guy was out cold. Even if he came around, the Marine was right there to subdue him again if needed. That's how it's gonna be put in front of a jury. Everybody is aware the homeless crazy person was at fault, that is not the question. The question is, did it go too far? All the rest is BS, martyr, c'mon.

Could you and your kind please stop with the charade? It’s pathetic at this point.  

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

140k to bury Neely has been raised.

 

2.4 mil for the marines legal defense.

 

 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

22 hours ago, paulinstl said:

At what point does a brave act of stopping a threat become a criminal act? That is the only question here. The rest is all noise that people on both sides want to use to further a political agenda.

 

 

 

Actually there are two questions that matter, not just one. As this tragedy and conflict has now become a pure political red ball. 

1) What is the total economic impact of either convicting Penny or NOT convicting Penny. Aside from the actual evidence and the practical law, what's going to be weighed out is the potential rioting/looting/burning that will probably happen if Penny is found not guilty. Then if he's found guilty, it will only spur more high level investors to avoid New York. Clearly the DNC doesn't care if small mom and pop business burn and the children of the owners of those shops end up starving. But when big corporations and big financial hitters walk, that's a huge impact on the overall tax base. 

2) When Lee Zeldin challenged Kathy Hochul for Governor, while he didn't win, his campaign sparked a comeback that no could predict. His campaign made it very close, too close for what is seen as a traditionally hard Blue stronghold. Also multiple HOR seats flipped to Red. This was a huge problem for the Obama Administration. While Team Blue held POTUS, and for a short time had a filibuster proof majority in Congress, there was a massive bleed out of state legislature seats all across the country. All down the ticket, Democrats were getting plastered in elections. When you lose ground level seats, you lose fund raising contact points for Small Dollar Political Donations, which is the lifeblood of most Team Blue campaigns. 

There will be a direct correlation between Big Blue Cities and Big Blue Strongholds that locked down hard during the pandemic and watching multiple seats down the ticket flip over. Throwing Andrew Cuomo on his sword won't be enough for the working class in New York. 

Daniel Penny, for better or worse, and fair or not, represents working class New York. This is a pure lose/lose/lose situation for the NY Democrats, the DNC and Team Blue. 

Business districts are another type of "legacy vote" These small shops, often with minority owners and often are immigrants. Their kids are going to school, and won't forget it's hacks and grifters like Cuomo, DeBlasio, Hochul, Bragg, Tish James and others let their families suffer and be massacred by the mob of looters and rioters. You'll have an entire generation of upwardly mobile youth who might not like Republicans, but will outright despise the radical left. 

Going after this Marine will also create more fractures in the overall military vote in the 2024 general cycle. 

Is Hochul prepared to watch more of New York flip Red? If she does, then she can use all the levers of power at her disposal to squeeze Penny for partisan reasons. But it's going to cost her. 

Team Blue doesn't care about Neely. If they did, they would have done something to help him and those like him before. And you can't blame Republicans for this one, because NY is hard Blue stronghold. They control most of the major power centers in the state. The systemic failures that meant Neely got no real help from the city rests as a pure accountability problem for the entire DNC. 

[RLLD 4,143]

20 hours ago, Cloaca du jour said:

140k to bury Neely has been raised.

 

2.4 mil for the marines legal defense.

 

 

I never doubted for a moment that good people would step up to ensure this Marine is defended.  Nor did I doubt that the corrupt Alvin Bragg would fold to public pressure. 

Now, we presume he is innocent until proven guilty, sorry liberals you have not ruined that yet, and if convicted then that is that. No protesting outside the judges house or anythinh, well iuf he is acquitted then I guess we have to allow it for liberals.

[thegeneral 2,889]

On 5/16/2023 at 2:49 PM, paulinstl said:

Watch the video, the guy was out cold. Even if he came around, the Marine was right there to subdue him again if needed. That's how it's gonna be put in front of a jury. Everybody is aware the homeless crazy person was at fault, that is not the question. The question is, did it go too far? All the rest is BS, martyr, c'mon.

Yep. This is how I understand the law to be there. I think he will be found not guilty or a guilty of a charge of being reckless or something in that vein.

The martyr stuff and all the racial elements are for the extremists and media provocateurs - unless the Marine has some recent history we are unaware of. 

 

[Engorgeous George 2,124]

In this day and age I presume there to be other video, including video of the behavior of the deceased prior to the intervention.  I would like to see those.  I have heard, though I have no direct knowledge, that there may have been 911 calls prior to the intervention.  I would like to hear those.

 

I am not familiar with the subway.  I wonder how folks call out from inside a car.  Are there boosters or relays for the signal?  If so are there records from those systems of calls and texts as the car traveled down the system, and if so can the defense access that information, or at least the identity of the persons making calls and sending texts.    I want to know what preceeded the intervention which turned deadly.  I want to analyze the source material, not just waht partisans are highlighting about what happened. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,917]

They care.  They really, really care. 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

I never doubted for a moment that good people would step up to ensure this Marine is defended.  Nor did I doubt that the corrupt Alvin Bragg would fold to public pressure. 

Now, we presume he is innocent until proven guilty, sorry liberals you have not ruined that yet, and if convicted then that is that. No protesting outside the judges house or anythinh, well iuf he is acquitted then I guess we have to allow it for liberals.

 

Here's are the truly terrifying questions

1) What happens when people are accused in the future and there is no video? Personally I think Kyle Rittenhouse is an idiot. Why go into the middle of a riot with an AR15 as an untrained teenager while you have a single mom and two sisters at home and you are the only male in your household? But just because the kid is a total imbecile doesn't mean he loses his Constitutional rights. And it also does not mean the activist complicit left leaning MSM has the right to literally fabricate headlines out of thin air and openly defame him shamelessly. And there's no justification for Biden to use Rittenhouse in a video to denounce him and others as 'white supremacists' and then comment on the case before a jury had rendered a verdict. But it was video evidence that helped to show Rittenhouse was actually threatened by someone else with a firearm on one of the shooting instances. What would happen if there was no video of that? What happens when the radical left just decided they want to riot, loot and burn a city to the ground and then just make up an "tragedy" for the sake of fabricating one? 

2) Daniel Penny is getting lots of donations to his legal defense fund. So did Rittenhouse. What happens to those who don't have the means to essentially buy a competent high level legal defense when it's clear this kind of case is going to pit the entire Biden Administration, the entire Hochul Administration, the DNC, Team Blue, the activist complicit MSM, most of Big Social Media and most widespread political pundits against them? 

If an innocent American citizen is accused by the current radical leftist "cancel culture" and there's no video and there's no money to defend you with so much mobbed up against you, then what happens to you then? 

Why mince it anymore, let's just say it out loud for once - Team Blue HQ, the DNC, the Biden/Harris/Tandeen regime and most of the MSM want Conservatives and/or Republicans dead. They just want us dead. They aren't even trying to hide it anymore. 

[RLLD 4,143]

37 minutes ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

Why mince it anymore, let's just say it out loud for once - Team Blue HQ, the DNC, the Biden/Harris/Tandeen regime and most of the MSM want Conservatives and/or Republicans dead. They just want us dead. They aren't even trying to hide it anymore. 

The new rule of law is simple.  If your actions appear to support Democrat political ideology you are protected, if not the full weight of government will be used against you.  It is honestly that simple.

[Fireballer 2,639]

On 5/15/2023 at 2:16 PM, dogcows said:

 

Nope, they wouldn’t. Karens can do whatever they want. Check out this Karen’s ability to turn the tears on, then immediately off. She was trying to steal the bike that guy rented (and already paid for) and threw a tantrum when he wouldn’t let her.

 

You want to re-visit this post?

[squistion 1,944]

5 hours ago, RLLD said:

I never doubted for a moment that good people would step up to ensure this Marine is defended.  Nor did I doubt that the corrupt Alvin Bragg would fold to public pressure. 

Now, we presume he is innocent until proven guilty, sorry liberals you have not ruined that yet, and if convicted then that is that. No protesting outside the judges house or anythinh, well iuf he is acquitted then I guess we have to allow it for liberals.

There will probably be a jury trial, and if so, why would there be any protests outside the judge's house? 

[RLLD 4,143]

25 minutes ago, squistion said:

There will probably be a jury trial, and if so, why would there be any protests outside the judge's house? 

If the outcome of the trial is not to the liking of the people, the mob, I would completely expect the mob to go after anyone involved and perhaps the judge. Give them their way or else. 

[squistion 1,944]

9 minutes ago, RLLD said:

If the outcome of the trial is not to the liking of the people, the mob, I would completely expect the mob to go after anyone involved and perhaps the judge. Give them their way or else. 

That doesn't make sense. I don't ever recall a mob going after a judge after a trial by jury. Those on the left accepted the acquittals of Kyle Rittenhouse and George Zimmerman without sending a mob against any of the parties involved in those cases and certainly not the judges. 

[zsasz 361]

 

Neely's past is irrelevant to the Penny's actions.  Neely wasn't brandishing a weapon.  Unless proven otherwise, I think Penny's action were the result of a man trying to help in a tense situation.  I think the world is a better place when men like Penny (unless proven to be a scumbag who just wanted to kill a guy) take action in tense situations.  That being said, it doesn't excuse him from the law. Second Degree Murder seems a little high.......and it actually seems like it would be hard to prove.  I think Involunatry Manslaughter would have been the better charge.  

 

[RLLD 4,143]

17 minutes ago, squistion said:

That doesn't make sense. I don't ever recall a mob going after a judge after a trial by jury. Those on the left accepted the acquittals of Kyle Rittenhouse and George Zimmerman without sending a mob against any of the parties involved in those cases and certainly not the judges. 

I think assuming they will not is under appreciated their zealotry

[dogcows 1,030]

1 hour ago, zsasz said:

 

Neely's past is irrelevant to the Penny's actions.  Neely wasn't brandishing a weapon.  Unless proven otherwise, I think Penny's action were the result of a man trying to help in a tense situation.  I think the world is a better place when men like Penny (unless proven to be a scumbag who just wanted to kill a guy) take action in tense situations.  That being said, it doesn't excuse him from the law. Second Degree Murder seems a little high.......and it actually seems like it would be hard to prove.  I think Involunatry Manslaughter would have been the better charge.  

 

They are charging him with manslaughter (2nd degree) which I believe has a 15-year max in NY. If convicted, it’s highly unlikely he will do 15. Seems like they’re going with the lesser charge in hopes to get an easier conviction, even if it means he gets out sooner.

[jerryskids 6,556]

14 minutes ago, dogcows said:

They are charging him with manslaughter (2nd degree) which I believe has a 15-year max in NY. If convicted, it’s highly unlikely he will do 15. Seems like they’re going with the lesser charge in hopes to get an easier conviction, even if it means he gets out sooner.

That's a shame if he gets out sooner, we need to protect future Michael Jackson impersonators from sociopathic Marines.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,917]

Imagine siding with the POS that tried to kidnap a seven year old over a combat marine? 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Imagine a former cop advocating for vigilante justice

[Hardcore troubadour 14,917]

9 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Imagine a former cop advocating for vigilante justice

Can’t change what happened.  And I don’t consider this to be the act of a vigilante. He wasn’t looking for trouble or revenge. He reacted to a real danger.  I know dog cows told us that they just go away if you ignore the violent mentally ill, but it’s just not true. You tourists need to pipe down.  And you can stop taking up for pure scum, which is what you do. He tried to kidnap a seven year old.  

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

On 5/16/2023 at 3:45 PM, jerryskids said:

 I've questioned the expertise of the Marine for this particular hold, since if applied correctly the guy would have been out in seconds, but I don't think that means he shouldn't use it, since he is not acting in the capacity of an expert, but rather a random subway rider.

 

There's the open legal question regarding this situation.

Then there's the political question. From the politics side, if Penny is convicted, then the Democratic Party might lose the overall military vote for the next five general cycles. The impact would be all down the ticket and that has an ancillary dovetail with the loss of ground level fundraising. The "withdrawal" from Afghanistan was bad enough, where 13 good Marines died who didn't need to die like that, because of the clear incompetence of Biden and Susan Rice. 

Also there's the issue of the battle for the DNC ticket in the 2024 primaries. Losing the military vote to RFK Jr ( who is gaining ground at an exponential rate) would be devastating to Biden's hopes to get the nomination. The assumption is that it's already rigged by the DNC and in the bag, but another year of this total stupidity and it's hard to say what might end up happening. 

There's another danger here for Team Blue in that Eric Adams goes full DINO on them. Just like Kyrsten Sinema, once you are fully abandoned by the Party apparatus, then the person has nothing to lose by doing whatever is seen as needed to win future reelection. The entire Border Crisis was so indefensible, that Sinema, in Arizona, had no chance to win again by toeing the Party line with Biden and Harris. The leftists who criticize Sinema don't seem to accept that she had no choice, her options were to be fully wiped out in the next election, or fight for a 10 percent chance to win the next election. Sinema decided to cash out with her corporate cronies and go for the 10 percent chance. 

Penny is lucky he's a Marine. If he wasn't, the political calculation might have ended up worse for him. 

At this point, the DNC and Team Blue don't care about the actual law. They care about donations lost and votes won or lost. They don't care if Neely died, they only care how to maximize the political narrative over his rotting corpse first. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,917]

Lawrence Herr. Why no outrage over that murder? 

[zsasz 361]

41 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Imagine a former cop advocating for vigilante justice

And then those same clowns whine and when people say they can't trust cops. 

[MDC 7,120]

Manslaughter charge seems about right. I won’t be upset if Penny gets off or convicted either way. But you’re rolling the dice anytime you put someone in a chokehold for 15 minutes and Neely hadn’t touched anyone on the train according to multiple eyewitnesses. 

Let the process play out the way it should.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

35 minutes ago, zsasz said:

And then those same clowns whine and when people say they can't trust cops. 

I'm just glad he's off the streets.  God only knows how many people were victims of crimes when he chose to look the other way because he didn't like them.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Manslaughter charge seems about right. I won’t be upset if Penny gets off or convicted either way. But you’re rolling the dice anytime you put someone in a chokehold for 15 minutes and Neely hadn’t touched anyone on the train according to multiple eyewitnesses. 

Let the process play out the way it should.  

Exactly.  Let the jury hear the evidence and decide.  Thats the process.  Anyone else saying what should happen either way is a sh1t bag.