Illegal Aliens & the Schocheting of America

[squistion 1,952]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

once AGAIN LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF ASYLUM

fleeing from a war torn country entering the nearest safe country.  That applies to Canada and Mexico ONLY

Meh.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,238]

Just now, squistion said:

Meh.

oh good, so you admin I am correct, thank you

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,238]

7 hours ago, squistion said:

Just like they post similar anecdotes of a tiny minority of black folks who commit violence in the Black History Month thread. 

 

5 hours ago, squistion said:

The tread title is Illegal Alien Border Invasion.

Why are some people talking about Blacks here? 

 

3 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Cause you made a non sequitor to it

 

3 hours ago, squistion said:

No, I didn't.

derp derp derp

 

[The Real timschochet 6,430]

32 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

The vast majority are not criminals but rather are fine people just looking for a better life and are willing to work. Despite this, they are still unwelcome, because the ones that don't work are an economic burden, while the ones that do work drive down wages of low income American citizens. It should have been obvious from the start, and it was to many of us, that neither the US government, nor states, nor municipalities have available the financial means, facilities, personnel, or other resources to provide for them.

By providing more and more handouts for the needy, it just encourages more and more dependency. Low income people who are working hard and barely getting by, do not appreciate paying taxes that provide their welfare dependent neighbors or illegal aliens that don't belong here to have the same standard of living as they do. "I worked hard to pay for that. Why ae you using my tax money to give it to him for free?" This basic concept has proven true, yet has also completely escaped the Democratic Party for sixty years.

It is not the responsibility of the US taxpayer to provide for people who we do not want and should not be here. We have our own issues to solve. Providing for illegal aliens means that resources are shifted away from US citizen services. Meanwhile immigration paperwork for legal immigrants doing things the right way gets stalled and backed up.

 

This is a legitimate argument. I don’t agree with it at all but it’s not hateful, bigoted or xenophobic. 
 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,940]

When the deportations start it should be done humanely but orderly. Muslims first, then anyone else not from our hemisphere, maybe start with the Chinese in that group. Then the fat women that will serve no purpose here, then the rest in reverse order of arrival.  Anyone else have any input? 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

25 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

 

 

 

derp derp derp

 

Get SquidTard the Fock out of here.  Dude is a forum killer.  Yo Mike  - do us all a favor and ban this pos.

[seafoam1 2,803]

Even the rappers are getting pissed. 

 

 

Famous rapper 50 Cent recently expressed his displeasure over news that New York City is planning to allocate millions of dollars to give migrant families pre-paid credit cards to migrant families.

In a new Instagram post, the rapper even went so far as to say that the policy might even motivate him to vote for former President Donald Trump in 2024. 

The "In Da Club" rapper reacted to a New York Post story published Friday reporting on a policy pushed by the Adams administration that will take $53 million and distribute it among asylum-seeking families in the city in the form of pre-paid credit cards. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,940]

10 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Get SquidTard the Fock out of here.  Dude is a forum killer.  Yo Mike  - do us all a favor and ban this pos.

Was he a liar at the other place like he is here? 

[squistion 1,952]

9 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Get SquidTard the Fock out of here.  Dude is a forum killer.  Yo Mike  - do us all a favor and ban this pos.

Thanks! 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,238]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

None of that applies. 
 

Yes these people are breaking our laws by coming here. But almost all of them are destitute and looking for a better life. They’re not out to harm us, they’re not out to invade us. Seriously how can you guys see them as villains? 

here lets put it in to terms you understand

wear your mask, get your 14 jabs, stay at home!!!!! if it saves one life

get it now?

of course, keeping illegals out would actually save lives, and we working class people were vilified for wanting to feed our families and visit our loved ones

 

[BirdGang 385]

8 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

Get SquidTard the Fock out of here.  Dude is a forum killer.  Yo Mike  - do us all a favor and ban this pos.

He and Tim/Raven Turd Daulton have the track record of already destroying one forum. It’s what libs do, they don’t produce they tear down things. 

[HellToupee 1,588]

Sickening 

[Voltaire 5,202]

1 hour ago, HellToupee said:

Sickening 

They aren't allowed to work legally, so they just ... exist.

... and we have such a nice safety net

... and it would be humane to refuse to clothe, house, feed, and educate them.

... and even if they get a DUI, 3/4 of the Democratic Party would refuse to deport them.

At their 2019 Presidential debate all ten Democrats raised their hands to the question of if their health care policy would cover illegal immigrants. (I can only fit six on the screen because Mike is evil when it comes to photos and the bypass doesn't work great). And we knew and discussed at the time -in this forearm- what a train wreck the border would be if the Democrats took over the White House. This party is incompetent and utterly incapable of predicting the consequences of their actions.

 

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,740]

1 hour ago, HellToupee said:

Sickening 

Isn't that nice 

[Reality 3,099]

3 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

They aren't allowed to work legally, so they just ... exist.

... and we have such a nice safety net

... and it would be humane to refuse to clothe, house, feed, and educate them.

... and even if they get a DUI, 3/4 of the Democratic Party would refuse to deport them.

At their 2019 Presidential debate all ten Democrats raised their hands to the question of if their health care policy would cover illegal immigrants. (I can only fit six on the screen because Mike is evil when it comes to photos and the bypass doesn't work great). And we knew and discussed at the time -in this forearm- what a train wreck the border would be if the Democrats took over the White House. This party is incompetent and utterly incapable of predicting the consequences of their actions.

 

 

This can't be true, I've been informed that they are a net positive many times in this very site.

[Mark Davis 339]

18 hours ago, Voltaire said:

The vast majority are not criminals but rather are fine people just looking for a better life and are willing to work. Despite this, they are still unwelcome, because the ones that don't work are an economic burden, while the ones that do work drive down wages of low income American citizens. It should have been obvious from the start, and it was to many of us, that neither the US government, nor states, nor municipalities have available the financial means, facilities, personnel, or other resources to provide for them.

By providing more and more handouts for the needy, it just encourages more and more dependency. Low income people who are working hard and barely getting by, do not appreciate paying taxes that provide their welfare dependent neighbors or illegal aliens that don't belong here to have the same standard of living as they do. "I worked hard to pay for that. Why ae you using my tax money to give it to him for free?" This basic concept has proven true, yet has also completely escaped the Democratic Party for sixty years.

It is not the responsibility of the US taxpayer to provide for people who we do not want and should not be here. We have our own issues to solve. Providing for illegal aliens means that resources are shifted away from US citizen services. Meanwhile immigration paperwork for legal immigrants doing things the right way gets stalled and backed up.

 

Great summary.  The fiscal argument seems to be falling apart with how the large cities are sinking with the financial burden of these folks.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,940]

The vast majority of any group are not criminals.  But if you’re not weeding out the criminals within the group, you get more criminals, then more crime. So it’s just silly to say that the vast majority aren’t criminals. The vast majority of people that fly aren’t terrorists. Should we stop checking for them on airplanes ? Some of you really need validation from the other side. You shouldn’t when faced with an absurdity. Stop being a cuck. 

[BirdGang 385]

Yep, if the vast majority aren’t criminals then ask them to follow our laws and go through the appropriate protocols so we can keep out the ones that are. It’s pretty simple, as long as you aren’t a criminal or support criminals. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,940]

9 minutes ago, BirdGang said:

Yep, if the vast majority aren’t criminals then ask them to follow our laws and go through the appropriate protocols so we can keep out the ones that are. It’s pretty simple, as long as you aren’t a criminal or support criminals. 

Takes too long to check who’s coming into our country. They’ll be a huge backlog to ensure the American citizen is kept safe. Then you won’t be able to push  through millions and then claim they are here legally. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

The Democrats saw the signs, but just kept driving that car right off the cliff.  Do a quick Google search and you’ll see anti-immigration articles in the New York Times, the Atlantic, BBC, LA Times… it’s incredible.  Hell, even 60 Minutes acknowledges there’s a crisis at the border and something needs to be done.  In a Harvard-Harris poll on January 23rd, immigration passed inflation as the #1 concern of voters.  Not Republican voters - ALL voters.  The most unnecessary, unforced error… just to piss off Trump and the MAGA crowd.  Got a bunch of children running this country.

[zsasz 361]

The undocumented immigrants just want it more.  You guys just talk noise and then sit in your recliners watching Duck Dynasty when it matters.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,740]

 

[squistion 1,952]

 

[HellToupee 1,588]

59 minutes ago, squistion said:

 

You really are a forking nitwit

 

[Engorgeous George 2,137]

On 2/3/2024 at 6:26 PM, The Real timschochet said:

There is no definition of “invasion” that would include the entrance of undocumented immigrants into the United States. None. It’s both equally stupid, lazy and hateful to use that word to describe this situation and you define yourself as a xenophobic idiot when you do. Congrats. 

Infestation?

[TheNewGirl 1,348]

On 2/3/2024 at 10:24 AM, The Real timschochet said:

The responses to my post last night were predictable but sad. In response: 

1. All acts of violence are terrible and should be punished. Any undocumented immigrant caught committing a violent crime should be punished and then immediately deported, no questions asked. No amnesty program should ever include such a person. 

2. Attacks against law enforcement are especially vile. I don’t care if it’s a riot, or a peaceful protest that turns into a riot, or this situation. It’s never acceptable. 

3. The vast majority of undocumented immigrants are not violent. They do not deserve to get grouped in with those that are. That is my objection to the posts here. When you group people together in such a manner you are engaging in ignorance and bigotry. It’s not acceptable. 

The bolded from you is just ridiculous. You don't even believe what you wrote here, FFS. 

In terms of the last bolded sentence, you lump conservatives/MAGA in together, every one of them. And yet you and others lecture about ignorance and bigotry. 

I know you want to believe that people who come here are good, but even the ones YOU hire likely aren't here legally; just that fact means that you're hiring felons. Why not hire a homeless person and help them make some money a few months out of the year? Or create a program that hires veterans who are looking for work? 

[Baker Boy 1,688]

On 2/3/2024 at 11:24 AM, The Real timschochet said:

The responses to my post last night were predictable but sad. In response: 

1. All acts of violence are terrible and should be punished. Any undocumented immigrant caught committing a violent crime should be punished and then immediately deported, no questions asked. No amnesty program should ever include such a person. 

2. Attacks against law enforcement are especially vile. I don’t care if it’s a riot, or a peaceful protest that turns into a riot, or this situation. It’s never acceptable. 

3. The vast majority of undocumented immigrants are not violent. They do not deserve to get grouped in with those that are. That is my objection to the posts here. When you group people together in such a manner you are engaging in ignorance and bigotry. It’s not acceptable. 

You don’t understand sanctuary cities and states do you? By the way, they are all democratically run.
 

You seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth.

[TheNewGirl 1,348]

19 hours ago, Mark Davis said:

Great summary.  The fiscal argument seems to be falling apart with how the large cities are sinking with the financial burden of these folks.

And yet they aren't learning, they are COMPLAINING that the drain on these cities is too great. "Why are they coming here?" Because your constituents voted to make them Sanctuary cities. 

I've said it A BILLION times, you want to see how a blue-one party nation would work - LOOK AT CALIFORNIA. It's coming. Keep voting BLUE and the entire nation will look like this. 

And for those of you who say that CA "isn't that bad" you are either rich by CA standards or you haven't lived here ever or long enough to really feel the effects of what's happening. 

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,940]

Tim has told us numerous times that poverty is the reason for crime. Ok. Then why is it wrong to assume that bringing in millions of impoverished people won’t result in more crime? Kind of flies in the face of his “don’t lump people in”’ statement. 

[TheNewGirl 1,348]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Tim has told us numerous times that poverty is the reason for crime. Ok. Then why is it wrong to assume that bringing in millions of impoverished people won’t result in more crime? Kind of flies in the face of his “don’t lump people in”’ statement. 

Because they 'have no choice' blah blah blah. 

[squistion 1,952]

10 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

You don’t understand sanctuary cities and states do you? By the way, they are all democratically run.
 

You seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Interesting, I keep being told here that this is a Republic and not a Democracy? 

[RLLD 4,143]

So right now Democrats will pretend it was Trump, and/or the Republicans are the problem......then later the Republicans will blame Biden, and/or the Democrats are the problem.....

THEY ARE BOTH THE PROBLEM......

I feel like this should be self-explanatory.....

[Hardcore troubadour 14,940]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

So right now Democrats will pretend it was Trump, and/or the Republicans are the problem......then later the Republicans will blame Biden, and/or the Democrats are the problem.....

THEY ARE BOTH THE PROBLEM......

I feel like this should be self-explanatory.....

Well, one is a bigger problem. If you can’t see that….

[RLLD 4,143]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, one is a bigger problem. If you can’t see that….

Correct.   The Democrats will always stop any attempt to control immigration as they see these people as future voters, and a way to subjugate their political opposition.....the modern liberal ideology is theology striving to eliminate all others in a totalitarian pursuit....and also their main funding sources are keen to have the cheap labor too...

[Engorgeous George 2,137]

34 minutes ago, squistion said:

Interesting, I keep being told here that this is a Republic and not a Democracy? 

The country is a republic.  Cities and states are not to the extent they are self governing.  Really ill-thought out point here.  I expect more from you.  I am going to chalk this up to just being a testy throw away line.

[HellToupee 1,588]

Thank god we don’t have Europe’s problem, yet 

 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,705]

2 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Thank god we don’t have Europe’s problem, yet 

 

For more years of Biden and we’ll be in worse shape.  

[Strike 5,195]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

The country is a republic.  Cities and states are not to the extent they are self governing.  Really ill-thought out point here.  I expect more from you.  I am going to chalk this up to just being a testy throw away line.

Why do you expect more from him?

[The Real timschochet 6,430]

2 hours ago, TheNewGirl said:

The bolded from you is just ridiculous. You don't even believe what you wrote here, FFS. 

In terms of the last bolded sentence, you lump conservatives/MAGA in together, every one of them. And yet you and others lecture about ignorance and bigotry. 

I know you want to believe that people who come here are good, but even the ones YOU hire likely aren't here legally; just that fact means that you're hiring felons. Why not hire a homeless person and help them make some money a few months out of the year? Or create a program that hires veterans who are looking for work? 

1. I don’t group conservatives and MAGA people together. There are many conservative ideas I like and support. I like and support very few MAGA ideas. I have both conservatives and MAGA people among my closest friends and family. I love them and they are good people. I don’t agree with many of their ideas, especially the MAGA folks. But unless one is a radical extremist of some sort (very few Americans are) bad ideas doesn’t make one a bad person, and vice versa for good ideas. 
 

2. Do you know why I hire day laborers, many of whom are probably undocumented (I don’t ask)? Because they’re reliable. I know where to find them, they quote a price, I pay it, they get the job done. I feel terrible about homeless people and I’ve donated plenty of money to shelters. I want to help them anyway I can. But as workers they’re not reliable. I would never personally give a homeless person cash because most of the time they will use it on drugs or alcohol. That’s a sad truth. They need help, need to clean up, then maybe they can work. But I’m not hiring them off the street. 
 

3. Finally, when I hire undocumented people I am not hiring felons. Coming here without legal papers is not a felony; it’s a misdemeanor. 

[The Real timschochet 6,430]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Tim has told us numerous times that poverty is the reason for crime. Ok. Then why is it wrong to assume that bringing in millions of impoverished people won’t result in more crime? Kind of flies in the face of his “don’t lump people in”’ statement. 

It normally does result in more crime. In the case of these folks it doesn’t because they work so many hours and are terrified of deportation. 
 

But let’s be clear: the mass immigration we had in the early 20th century which produced my forefathers (and perhaps yours as well) resulted in intense poverty and crime in the large cities of this country. But the overall result was positive; it always is. So even if new immigration, legal or otherwise, resulted in greater crime, I would still be for it.