Hunter Biden reaches plea agreement on misdemeanors for tax evasion.

[thegeneral 3,269]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

To be fair, Hunter does have the best lawyers his Chinese and Ukraine money can buy.  

None of them have even quit on him

[Nomad99 755]

3 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Imagine being a Hunter Biden-obsessed MAGAturd for all these years, only to be disappointed by near-nothingburger misdemeanor charges.

And MAGAturds still can't take the L.

Imagine being a Trump obsessed libratard & rejoicing that bozo's son got a felony gun violation washed. If only there were strict laws......

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

So this took five years? Yeah, that’s equal justice.  

[Ultra Max Power 214]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So this took five years? Yeah, that’s equal justice.  

The good news is that the house can now ask direct questions to the FBI and DOJ about the contents of the Biden Laptop and neither can avoid answering because it was an open investigation. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

6 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

The good news is that the house can now ask direct questions to the FBI and DOJ about the contents of the Biden Laptop and neither can avoid answering because it was an open investigation. 

I wouldn’t count on that. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

9 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Sorry dummy, you made the big deal out of the nothingburger that was a Trump-appointed judge.  Should make you feel better as you hate-fock your Trump blow-up doll.   

It's a T-pump-appointed prosecuter as well. You might want to walk back your technicality.

[Wade Garrett 155]

17 hours ago, Dizkneelande said:

The lefty suckboys still think the crackhead was on the board of Burisma because he brought a lot of energy expertise and not because he’s the bagman for his corrupted father. Nobody cares about Hunter Biden. We care about the cognitively disabled puppet with the keys to the codes. 

Hey moron cultist.  Tell us, is everyone on the boards of major companies expert in that particularly industry?

Oh wait, you idiots swing wrenches and stack boxes for a living so you have no phuking idea how the corporate world works.  Famous and powerful people are paid to sit on boards on the time morons.

"hur dur he wadnt no energe expert hur dur"

 

[BuckSwope 654]

15 hours ago, posty said:

If Twitter died, squistion would have no idea what to post or say...

Dude, this applies to 1/2 this board. 

[zsasz 369]

Guy on ABC said it best; America should hope that they don't prosecute everyone on these tax/gun charges.  Hunter was only hit with this because of his name. 

 

I hope now that the Right has gotten Hunter out of their system, they can go about getting us quality candidates for the 24 election. 

[Ultra Max Power 214]

44 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Hey moron cultist.  Tell us, is everyone on the boards of major companies expert in that particularly industry?

Oh wait, you idiots swing wrenches and stack boxes for a living so you have no phuking idea how the corporate world works.  Famous and powerful people are paid to sit on boards on the time morons.

"hur dur he wadnt no energe expert hur dur"

 

First time I've heard Hunter described as Famous and Powerful.  People get board positions when they have influence.  Hunter's influence was his dad and US tax dollars.  HTH...

[Ultra Max Power 214]

1 minute ago, zsasz said:

Guy on ABC said it best; America should hope that they don't prosecute everyone on these tax/gun charges.  Hunter was only hit with this because of his name. 

 

I hope now that the Right has gotten Hunter out of their system, they can go about getting us quality candidates for the 24 election. 

The tax thing doesn't bother me that much outside of the annoyance aspect of people not paying their fair share. 

The gun issue should upset everyone.  It undermines every future gun safety policy Biden wants to roll out.  We don't even prosecute our current gun laws so no reason to sign America up for more laws that target law abiding citizens. 

Tough to watch some claim that minimal probation is an adequate punishment for obtaining a gun illegally, brandishing a gun while under the influence and leaving a gun unattended in a public area. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

Hunter was given a 5 million dollar, interest free, forgivable “loan” from a CCP controlled bank. GFY with the nonsense.  

[Mike Honcho 5,301]

15 hours ago, thegeneral said:

None of them have even quit on him

[Nomad99 755]

55 minutes ago, zsasz said:

Guy on ABC said it best; America should hope that they don't prosecute everyone on these tax/gun charges.  Hunter was only hit with this because of his name. 

 

I hope now that the Right has gotten Hunter out of their system, they can go about getting us quality candidates for the 24 election. 

Yeah....let's not prosecute felony gun violations but scream for better gun control

[Wade Garrett 155]

48 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

The tax thing doesn't bother me that much outside of the annoyance aspect of people not paying their fair share. 

The gun issue should upset everyone.  It undermines every future gun safety policy Biden wants to roll out.  We don't even prosecute our current gun laws so no reason to sign America up for more laws that target law abiding citizens. 

Tough to watch some claim that minimal probation is an adequate punishment for obtaining a gun illegally, brandishing a gun while under the influence and leaving a gun unattended in a public area. 

Oh now the strict 2nd amendment folks are supporting gun laws?

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Wade Garrett 155]

17 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Hunter was given a 5 million dollar, interest free, forgivable “loan” from a CCP controlled bank. GFY with the nonsense.  

link?

[Ultra Max Power 214]

8 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Oh now the strict 2nd amendment folks are supporting gun laws?

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Do you have a comprehension problem? 

[The Real timschochet 6,863]

1 hour ago, Ultra Max Power said:

The tax thing doesn't bother me that much outside of the annoyance aspect of people not paying their fair share. 

The gun issue should upset everyone.  It undermines every future gun safety policy Biden wants to roll out.  We don't even prosecute our current gun laws so no reason to sign America up for more laws that target law abiding citizens. 

Tough to watch some claim that minimal probation is an adequate punishment for obtaining a gun illegally, brandishing a gun while under the influence and leaving a gun unattended in a public area. 

The stricter gun laws I‘m personally in favor of are removal of the private sales loophole for universal background checks and, ultimately, full registration of all firearms. I don’t believe Hunter’s sentence here has any bearing on those proposals. 

[Wade Garrett 155]

21 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

Do you have a comprehension problem? 

No boyo.  You're very big 2A.  You believe gun laws should be limited.

Now you're crying that gun laws weren't enforced severely enough.  Hypocrit.

btw, has the Kraken released her bigly stolen election bombshell you were waiting on and I missed it?

[Ultra Max Power 214]

36 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

No boyo.  You're very big 2A.  You believe gun laws should be limited.

Now you're crying that gun laws weren't enforced severely enough.  Hypocrit.

btw, has the Kraken released her bigly stolen election bombshell you were waiting on and I missed it?

ok I know who you are.  

[The Real timschochet 6,863]

1 minute ago, Wade Garrett said:

No boyo.  You're very big 2A.  You believe gun laws should be limited.

Now you're crying that gun laws weren't enforced severely enough.  Hypocrit.

btw, has the Kraken released her bigly stolen election bombshell you were waiting on and I missed it?

OMG please stop with the boyo crap: 

Hes not a hypocrite. Those who oppose new gun restrictions have argued consistently for years that society doesn’t enforce the laws we already have. I don’t particularly agree with this POV, but it’s not hypocritical. 

[Ultra Max Power 214]

13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The stricter gun laws I‘m personally in favor of are removal of the private sales loophole for universal background checks and, ultimately, full registration of all firearms. I don’t believe Hunter’s sentence here has any bearing on those proposals. 

The whole point is what is the purpose of stricter gun laws when we don't enforce illegal sales, drug users possessing guns and illegal storage laws already?  Fix those first and I'll entertain more proposals. 

Or to frame it another way.  In your opinion is probation a satisfactory punishment for any of those issues? 

[Hawkeye21 2,403]

34 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Now you're crying that gun laws weren't enforced severely enough.  Hypocrit.

This same line of thinking could be used against liberals.  They are the ones that want stricter gun laws but are now ok with nothing happening to Hunter.  Make up your minds.

[The Real timschochet 6,863]

27 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

The whole point is what is the purpose of stricter gun laws when we don't enforce illegal sales, drug users possessing guns and illegal storage laws already?  Fix those first and I'll entertain more proposals. 

Or to frame it another way.  In your opinion is probation a satisfactory punishment for any of those issues? 

I get the argument. As I wrote I don’t agree with you nor do I think it’s especially relevant. 

To answer your question: I think it depends on the specific circumstances and the record of the perpetrator. I am very much opposed to mandatory minimum sentencing. 

[jerryskids 6,853]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I get the argument. As I wrote I don’t agree with you nor do I think it’s especially relevant. 

To answer your question: I think it depends on the specific circumstances and the record of the perpetrator. I am very much opposed to mandatory minimum sentencing. 

Not sure what you don't agree with, it's clearly the case with Hunter, so you can't disagree that current laws aren't being enforced.  What don't you agree with?

BTW I do agree with you in opposing mandatory minimum sentencing.  We have judges for several reasons, one of which is to use human discretion in sentencing based on the situation.

[The Real timschochet 6,863]

16 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Not sure what you don't agree with, it's clearly the case with Hunter, so you can't disagree that current laws aren't being enforced.  What don't you agree with?

BTW I do agree with you in opposing mandatory minimum sentencing.  We have judges for several reasons, one of which is to use human discretion in sentencing based on the situation.

I don’t agree with the argument that because some existing gun laws aren’t properly enforced, that means that new unrelated gun restrictions shouldn’t be considered. 

[HellToupee 1,826]

3 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

cultist

[Mike Hunt 283]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

OMG please stop with the boyo crap: 

Hes not a hypocrite. Those who oppose new gun restrictions have argued consistently for years that society doesn’t enforce the laws we already have. I don’t particularly agree with this POV, but it’s not hypocritical. 

Daulton/Ravenfan/Garrett whoever needs to grow up.  

[Ultra Max Power 214]

34 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I get the argument. As I wrote I don’t agree with you nor do I think it’s especially relevant. 

To answer your question: I think it depends on the specific circumstances and the record of the perpetrator. I am very much opposed to mandatory minimum sentencing. 

We will have to just disagree here.  A man lied on a federal gun form and received a weapon he wasn't legally allowed to have.  That is pretty much the pinnacle gun law. To minimize that in any way minimizes all other gun laws that comes after it.  I won't support additional laws that will be minimized based on whatever whim the justice system feels at the time.

I'm ok with opposing mandatory minimum sentencing, however when its DOJ policy it undermines the system when not implemented consistently.  

[Ultra Max Power 214]

25 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t agree with the argument that because some existing gun laws aren’t properly enforced, that means that new unrelated gun restrictions shouldn’t be considered. 

But this is the central problem.  I am a law-abiding gun owner.  Purchased and own all my firearms legally.  Store them properly.  I have a permit to carry them outside of the house and don't do anything while carrying that violates the law.  I do these things because they are the right and legal things to do. 

Criminals already don't care about any of those things, so existing laws and new laws don't deter gun violence. 

Some people disregard those laws, like Hunter did, and to offer no punishment doesn't deter people like him from doing it again.  So new laws aren't going to deter these people much either.  

Now take the pistol brace law the ATF is trying to enforce and know that about 20 million Americans who purchased a firearm accessory legally are potentially going to fall into a felony violation if they don't reconfigure their firearm or pay a tax stamp.   So what would that new law accomplish?  It targets an already law abiding group of individuals with potential penalties while the people who are the real problem still do whatever they want to do.

 

 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,863]

43 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

But this is the central problem.  I am a law-abiding gun owner.  Purchased and own all my firearms legally.  Store them properly.  I have a permit to carry them outside of the house and don't do anything while carrying that violates the law.  I do these things because they are the right and legal things to do. 

Criminals already don't care about any of those things, so existing laws and new laws don't deter gun violence. 

Some people disregard those laws, like Hunter did, and to offer no punishment doesn't deter people like him from doing it again.  So new laws aren't going to deter these people much either.  

Now take the pistol brace law the ATF is trying to enforce and know that about 20 million Americans who purchased a firearm accessory legally are potentially going to fall into a felony violation if they don't reconfigure their firearm or pay a tax stamp.   So what would that new law accomplish?  It targets an already law abiding group of individuals with potential penalties while the people who are the real problem still do whatever they want to do.

 

 

 

Well let’s take for example the proposal to remove the private sales loophole for background checks. Now in a private sale, there are two actors: the buyer and the seller. I presume that most sellers are honest, law abiding gun owners like yourself, which means that if this law is passed they will abide by it. And that means that there will be less illegal gun purchases since even if buyer is a bad guy, they can’t purchase the gun by themselves. Now of course they can find another bad guy to sell to them, but this law would make it harder for them, which is the whole point. 
 

[zsasz 369]

2 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

This same line of thinking could be used against liberals.  They are the ones that want stricter gun laws but are now ok with nothing happening to Hunter.  Make up your minds.

I think the snag in your comment is that I'm pretty sure that there isn't an "liberals"...aside from maybe family members of Hunter who are OK with nothing happening to Hunter.  I think pretty much universally, Hunter Biden is seen as a scumbag and a fuch up.

 

[zsasz 369]

1 hour ago, Ultra Max Power said:

But this is the central problem.  I am a law-abiding gun owner.  Purchased and own all my firearms legally.  Store them properly.  I have a permit to carry them outside of the house and don't do anything while carrying that violates the law.  I do these things because they are the right and legal things to do. 

Criminals already don't care about any of those things, so existing laws and new laws don't deter gun violence. 

Some people disregard those laws, like Hunter did, and to offer no punishment doesn't deter people like him from doing it again.  So new laws aren't going to deter these people much either.  

Now take the pistol brace law the ATF is trying to enforce and know that about 20 million Americans who purchased a firearm accessory legally are potentially going to fall into a felony violation if they don't reconfigure their firearm or pay a tax stamp.   So what would that new law accomplish?  It targets an already law abiding group of individuals with potential penalties while the people who are the real problem still do whatever they want to do.

 

 

 

Is there anywhere to look up what the typical sentencing/punishment for the "illegal possession" felony charge?

[Ultra Max Power 214]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well let’s take for example the proposal to remove the private sales loophole for background checks. Now in a private sale, there are two actors: the buyer and the seller. I presume that most sellers are honest, law abiding gun owners like yourself, which means that if this law is passed they will abide by it. And that means that there will be less illegal gun purchases since even if buyer is a bad guy, they can’t purchase the gun by themselves. Now of course they can find another bad guy to sell to them, but this law would make it harder for them, which is the whole point. 
 

And the bad guy still gets a gun illegally in this scenario and it's apparently not a big deal if he does. 

So how did this reduce gun violence?

 

[Ultra Max Power 214]

1 minute ago, zsasz said:

Is there anywhere to look up what the typical sentencing/punishment for the "illegal possession" felony charge?

I'm only parroting a Twitter lawyer, but the maximum is 10 years for lying on the federal form and the average was reported as 2-3 years. 

[The Real timschochet 6,863]

20 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

And the bad guy still gets a gun illegally in this scenario and it's apparently not a big deal if he does. 

So how did this reduce gun violence?

 

The idea is that it’s more difficult for the bad guy to get the gun, and that LESS of them gets guns. And that reduces gun violence. 

[Ultra Max Power 214]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

The idea is that it’s more difficult for the bad guy to get the gun, and that LESS of them gets guns. And that reduces gun violence. 

But my overall problem with that is you're targeting the gun sale and we're still not punishing the act of owning a gun illegally.  

If the punishment for an illegal sale of a gun is a stern "Don't do it again", its just not worth creating that law. 

[The Real timschochet 6,863]

After all if we accept your premise that bad guys will simply ignore all laws, then why have any laws at all? Your answer would probably be that laws stop criminals because they’re scared of punishment. And that’s true but there is another reason: laws make it harder for criminals to break them because they often need the cooperation of honest people who won’t break them. This second reason is just as important as the first reason IMO. 

[Cdub100 3,936]

Facebook gave me a slap on the wrist for a 2021 post of mine showing hunter biden in his undies with the caption 10% to the big guy.

For the record, it was shared in a private group (not my timeline) where we make fun of everything.

[Ultra Max Power 214]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

After all if we accept your premise that bad guys will simply ignore all laws, then why have any laws at all? Your answer would probably be that laws stop criminals because they’re scared of punishment. And that’s true but there is another reason: laws make it harder for criminals to break them because they often need the cooperation of honest people who won’t break them. This second reason is just as important as the first reason IMO. 

Not sure where you are going with that one... Laws are needed to ensure a healthy community.  Some people do just live outside of those rules.  They live outside the rules regardless of what else we put in place.  

I dug into the gun show loophole and crime stats.  I found this interesting survey from the Bureau of Justice Statistics. (2016)

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Source of firearms

Overall, an estimated 287,400 prisoners possessed a firearm during their offense. Among prisoners who possessed a gun during their offense, 90% did not obtain it from a retail source. More than half (56%) of prisoners who possessed a firearm during their offense had either stolen it (6%), found it at the scene of the crime (7%), or obtained it off the street or from the underground market (43%). Fewer than 1% had obtained the firearm at a gun show (0.8%).